EPTIf Ancestral has been in contact with you and is saying something different, then believe him, but he hasn't been in contact with us. While Ohio State wasn't the best organized last year, we were still a participant in CSL and I think it's safe to say we won't be making the attempt to get a team as long registration fees are in effect.
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
If Ancestral has been in contact with you and is saying something different, then believe him, but he hasn't been in contact with us. While Ohio State wasn't the best organized last year, we were still a participant in CSL and I think it's safe to say we won't be making the attempt to get a team as long registration fees are in effect. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On September 02 2009 02:12 Empyrean wrote: Yeah and this was the first time I found out about the entry fee <_< That being said, let's start getting our practicing in? yeh  we are in pretty good shape if me/tyler/julian pull through, but you will have to bail us pretty frequentlyedit: I don't really mind paying the fee as long as it's clear to others and me that it's being used correctly. | ||
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ziz
203 Posts
On September 02 2009 02:05 Xeris wrote: First off, why would you trust Blizzard. You realize that Blizzard was one of the main things that killed WGT? We signed a contract with them and that essentially ended the ladder for good because they failed to come through on their part of the bargain and we were contractually obligated to basically sit and wait for them. Really what this looks like is a bunch of people seeing an opportunity to make a quick buck. As Freaky said, I seriously FLEW to Montreal to host a tournament for Canadians because they didn't have WCG and I felt like their community deserved a tournament. I didn't make anything, I actually spent money from my own pocket, but it was a great tournament... everyone had a lot of fun, and 100% of entry fee went to the players, and I was able to get them hardware prizes. There's almost 0 reason to charge an entry fee unless 100% of it is going to the players. At all, there's no justification for charging an entry fee. i agree | ||
Empyrean
16981 Posts
On September 02 2009 02:15 OneOther wrote: yeh we are in pretty good shape if me/tyler/julian pull through, but you will have to bail us pretty frequentlyedit: I don't really mind paying the fee as long as it's clear to others and me that it's being used correctly. I'm going to state it now and on the record, that on certain maps and match ups, I'm untouchable in a bo1  | ||
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Ideas
United States8091 Posts
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Empyrean
16981 Posts
On September 02 2009 02:19 Ideas wrote: I'm not sure if my team will want to play now. Not to suggest anything, but I think if enough teams don't want to play, then the organizers are either forced to scrap the entry fee or have to deal with mediocre participation, loss of interest, and hardly any community support or interest  Or maybe someone will organize a free version. (that being said, I don't mind contributing to prize money and server costs, I just don't want to pay for CSL to get LLC status). | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I was around for CSL playoff matches and it was a bunch of randomness and quite unorganized. If these guys are adamant about trying to extract money from the community for their own personal gains I'll just make UCPL into a nationwide college league, free of charge and for the love of the community and I can almost guarantee I'll run it just as well or better and all by myself to boot. | ||
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
You guys should decide if you want to rage about a minimal fee on principle or if you want to try and support an idea which brings Starcraft players together at your universities. I hope the organizers can propose clear suggestions about where the extra money will go in terms of prizes, and I hope they continue to do a good job of generating interest and awareness over the coming weeks. It would really be a tremendous thing if this grew to encompass dozens of universities. | ||
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
NOBODY tells the community "I'm going to host a tournament but you have to pay for it" . Established people can't even get that shit to work, and a bunch of scrubs (pardon my english) think that after running one season of a league that they can come in here and start milking the community? If TL or WGT, or GG.net, or even me don't get anything out of what they do (ok GG.net earns some profit, but not much) other than the satisfaction of knowing they're making SC nerds happy then what makes these guys able to do that? It's a disgusting manipulation of the passion we all have for this game. This game survived for so long because of people's love for it, it's not about making money... If you look at almost ANY business, they had to go through years of financial loss and hardship before they became established and started earning profit. These CSL people are trying to cut corners by exploiting the community to save some money and start their dumbass corporation. I paid for hosting of BWUSA.org and ran a league and other tournaments out of my own pocket for fun, etc... TL.net runs tournaments all the time and never makes a dime. It's complete and utter bullshit for these guys to even claim they're trying to cover expenses. Don't get involved in this shit if your goal is to make money / break even. Even look at GG.net (a BW example). Raistlin and Mazor started it in 2002 or 2003 or whenever it was, they paid for hosting and they worked probably 10-15 hours a day coding, writing newses, etc. They did EVERYTHING for the community and worked their asses off to provide foreigner coverage. Now it's 2009 and GG.net has ads and can get sponsors and make a bit of money too, but it took them 3-4 years to get to a point where they could earn anything. There's absolutely no justification for charging and entry fee AT ALL. | ||
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shaldengeki
United States104 Posts
Server costs clearly don't cover the whole sum of money you'll be receiving if CSL takes off, especially if you'll be streaming offsite. If LLC costs are high enough to be forcing you to charge fees already, when the previous season wasn't very well-run, then you may want to reconsider being an LLC in the first place. CSL has to first prove that it's capable of smoothly running a large-scale operation before people will even consider giving money to participate in an activity that normally costs absolutely nothing. Without that trust, you really can't expect people to be willing to invest in you. @Xeris: You're clearly getting too emotionally involved with this. Step back, take a chill pill. There's no reason to resort to calling people "scrubs" or "dumbass"es when the people behind this are rational, decent people who are clearly trying their best to further legitimize SCBW in the US. Please don't immediately assume that they're trying to "milk the community". | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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shaldengeki
United States104 Posts
But I think that this step is a necessary eventuality if SCBW is ever going to be "legitimized" in the US; clearly this is debatable, and CSL is probably rushing too fast on this path, but it'll probably happen at some point or another, unfortunately. Such is reality. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Empyrean
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hazelynut
United States2195 Posts
On September 02 2009 03:06 Empyrean wrote: So if there aren't any prizes, we're pretty much just paying so they can be an LLC? ... Shh, long talk. | ||
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Empyrean
16981 Posts
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
Hope lots of colleges join this year... everybody please get motivated to sign up. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2009 03:06 Kennigit wrote: Don't worry. We had long talk about it. everything solved. nothing to see here! Well, other than everything else that's useful in the OP. Anything worth mentioning from the long talk? | ||
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