EPT[CSL] Fall '09 Season Information and Rules - Page 2
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Ideas
United States8174 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On September 01 2009 23:37 Freaky[x] wrote: the problem with the entry fee is I can only see it paying for webhosting and webdomain registration and MAYBE web designer, but that's already done and those things cost (for the amount of people that come on your website) less than the amount you're getting (much less), am I wrong? and no mention of prize... so ya =\ (and you can probably get help from one of the major starcraft websites for hosting and so on) It's all for a noble cause.. Voice of E-Sports LLC is trying to professionalize E-Sports coverage! They need money to do so. Don't worry, Peanut surely knows what she's doing. You're forgetting about her tons of experience in the community. The money is in good hands. The fact that they have no prize, an entry fee, and still monopolize the broadcasting rights is all for the community! | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Considering your op post mentions nothing about a prize, and there was no mention of any prize for the first season, your saying "we can't continually give out prizes" is totally untrue anyways because there has been no indication of giving out prizes anywhere. This looks like a money grubbing scam. Any respectable person wouldn't be trying to make money from this. TL has hosted TONS of events with great coverage, much much better than anything CSL has or will do, and doesn't make anything. I for example, have hosted tons of events over the years and I've never once made a dime of profit because of it. TL does what it does because it loves the game. It's not about money, and it should not be about money. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On September 01 2009 21:07 Sunyveil wrote: Hey Chill, when is TSL 2? We aren't established enough to have attracted a sponsor (yet), so do you really expect us to continually give out a prize to the winner out of our own pockets? Who is paying for that? as of now, I don't think anybody working on CSL has earned anything for it if that's what you're asking. You realize that when TL started the TSL they didn't have a sponsor lined up and would have ended up paying the prize out of their own pocket anyways (don't kill me if the story is wrong, but I seem to remember this being the case). | ||
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
Although SC has been traditionally free of cost, it's not uncommon for any intercollegiate extracurricular to have a small fee. I know participating in ballroom involves dues every month or so whenever they have a competition, of about $35. I know the SC community is really opposed to anything money making -- I'm pretty opposed to it too. That's why the fee's as low as it can go. For some transparency, $500 goes into: 1) server costs 2) filing fees The 2nd because yes, we are a corporation, because yes, we would like to get sponsored at some point by silly things like Coca cola and Pringles. I don't know how transparent I should be with deals that have only been mentioned in passing, but $5 does go towards things like possible non-cash prizes from an affiliated but un-named gaming company that we all know and love. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
$5 to compete on a college team, most likely fronted by the school itself, seems very reasonable compared to a lot of other clubs/sports/activities... | ||
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:47 motbob wrote: Server costs? What are you going to be using a server for? You're not just using livestream? We do have a website, don't you know! | ||
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:49 Muirhead wrote: I think CSL has a great chance of evolving into something more stable and important than a community tournament. $5 to compete on a college team, most likely fronted by the school itself, seems very reasonable compared to a lot of other clubs/sports/activities... That's fine but lets atleast have a look at expected costs and some sort of idea of the money they will bring in from the registration. I have no problem with $5 its peanuts, but, if its not necessary then why have it? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
And filing fees are a few hundred I believe... ? | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:43 hazelynut wrote: Assuming there are 5 players per team x 20 teams in CSL, we end up breaking even with our costs. We brought this up with all the coordinators before this was implemented, and encouraged people to go to student councils to fund this. Although SC has been traditionally free of cost, it's not uncommon for any intercollegiate extracurricular to have a small fee. I know participating in ballroom involves dues every month or so whenever they have a competition, of about $35. I know the SC community is really opposed to anything money making -- I'm pretty opposed to it too. That's why the fee's as low as it can go. For some transparency, $500 goes into: 1) server costs 2) filing fees The 2nd because yes, we are a corporation, because yes, we would like to get sponsored at some point by silly things like Coca cola and Pringles. I don't know how transparent I should be with deals that have only been mentioned in passing, but $5 does go towards things like possible non-cash prizes from an affiliated but un-named gaming company that we all know and love. You and I both know that server costs and filing fees don't even come close to 500 bucks unless you're paying for streaming bandwith. I'm pretty sure you're going to LiveStream/ UStream it, so streaming bandwith isn't even an issue. The last time SC had an event with an entry fee was the last TLTour, and that had almost all of the money going towards the prizes. There's a reason there weren't any entry fee tournaments anymore since then.. there's no costs involved in organizing a tournament unless you're paying the organizers/casters. If you're going to ask for an entry fee, and claim it's to cover costs, at least make it transparent. Where would left over money go (which would be like 95% of the money)? Are you paying your casters? Are you paying yourself? The fact that you're a company that's trying to make money off of esports asking for an entry fee and claiming it's going towards expenses just doesn't really add up. Oh and just so you know, the moment a company makes money off of broadcasting StarCraft, they'll need a license from Blizzard and will have to pay Blizzard royalties. This makes the overhead for making it a lucrative business even bigger. You'll have to pay Blizzard for broadcasting rights with the money of your participants just so your company can make some money. This is complete bullshit. The CSL last season was well organized and a really fun event for participants. Do you really need to milk the concept out just so you can make some money off the participants' back? Do you really want to be the first persons ever to not organize a tournament for fun or out of love for the game, but for personal gain? I don't see how any person with any sort of moral fiber would want to pay for this :\ | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On September 02 2009 00:38 Xeris wrote: You realize that when TL started the TSL they didn't have a sponsor lined up and would have ended up paying the prize out of their own pocket anyways (don't kill me if the story is wrong, but I seem to remember this being the case). This is true, we announced with no confirmed sponsor. We simply trusted in the power of ESPORTS. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On September 02 2009 01:09 hazelynut wrote: 200+300 does end up to be 500. 200 buys you 4 years of website hosting. Are filing fees really 300 bucks? If so, you're basically asking a cover charge so the CSL name can be owned by VoES, so that you can sell it/make money off it later? | ||
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
http://www.dat.state.md.us/sdatweb/fees.html Paid the first one hundred seventy, and http://www.forminganllcguide.com/Maryland.htm When forming an LLC in Maryland, you should be prepared to pay an Annual Report fee of $300.00 Although we're not LLC, but a corporation - the filing fees are similar, I'd imagine. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/hostingfeatures.php 12 mos.: $7.46/mo. For 1st 3 mos.1 ($9.95 / month after) ~$100? This is for two years now. Remainder can go to a prize pool, or if the community isn't so hostile to the idea, things like green screens for possible intro videos, a pool to allow schools to travel, so on. We're not paying ourselves or the commentators, although we do hope CSL grows into, as Muirhead said, something bigger than just an annual community tournament. | ||
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Freaky[x]
Canada995 Posts
sorry for the sarcasm... why a corporation...? | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
Your server costs would probably be lower if it wasn't registered on a company too. Stop saying that it's to cover expenses of the tournament. You're using it to cover expenses of the business you started to make money off of SC. If your company had any form of income, you probably wouldn't be charging this. Unfortunately, it's failing to make money now, so you're using entry fee money to cover the expenses of your (atm) failed investment. I don't see how you can even think this is the right thing to do. How you think this is even justifiable. | ||
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Empyrean
17070 Posts
What's incorporation honestly going to do for not only the players, but you as well? | ||
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