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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Why the hell do you kids need an LLC rofl. I don't understand the thought process that decided we need to protect ourselves and add huge overhead which is clearly above our income (0$). Do you ever watch that show Dragon's Den? This reminds me of Dragon's Den 1000%.
On September 02 2009 01:24 RaGe wrote:
Still doesn't make sense for the participants to be paying your filing fees, when you're the owners of the company and are paying those fees to make a name for yourselves, hoping to make money off it later. You're basically asking the participants to invest in your company, but giving no return.
Couldn't agree more.
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Right, we're making a business/company so we can make a name for ourselves. Right.
I've gone through these internal debates before - as well as debates with other admin. Halfway through the year, I thought, wow, isn't becoming a business too soon? We're not even large enough to justify anything, blah blah blah, don't want to be corporate money-making, blah blah blah.
Then Blizzard contacted us, spoke of some arrangement, and suggested that becoming a legal entity would REALLY help proceedings. They proved me wrong in that instance (I'd been opposing a move to company status for a month or so, so I slowed down any possible negotiations and felt pretty ignorant for it).
That's mainly why I agreed that making a business was best for CSL - because of situations like these that I didn't understand, but had to eat my own words for.
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Could you provide what Blizzard told you?
By the way, a cynical part of me is telling me that you're just doing this for something good to put on your resume. I mean, it's certainly attractive to a hiring company to see that your applicant is the head of an LLC, isn't it?
Hopefully that's not the case.
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if blizzard wants you to become a legal entity, ask them to pay for your filling fees since you're technically going to be the ones that will help them "reach" out to the college community of north america.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On September 02 2009 01:38 Freaky[x] wrote:
if blizzard wants you to become a legal entity, ask them to pay for your filling fees since you're technically going to be the ones that will help them "reach" out to the college community of north america.
Yup.That or get VoE to pay it. I can understand a buy in for tournament prizes but paying startup costs is....
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as a participant/co-coordinator, my only concern is why we should join and pay a fee if no prizes are set. Sure, CSL S1 was fun and all, but I don't think it is well-established nor well run enough (there were several hiccups during S1) to justify paying to participate in it with nothing to gain.
if there were prizes that we can strive for, then it would be more easily justified. But at the moment, it is not.
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Kennigit+Rage+Xeris+Empryean=Dragons!
But seriously, $5*5players*20 teams= 500, but don't you think some teams will put up more than 5 players? Didn't Princeton have about ten players?
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Easier, but not necessary. I'm sure Blizzard would be comfortable in giving even, say, you the keys, knowing that you'll distribute them to the deserving winners. And if you don't, then of course you'll have the ire of the community. Also Blizz will hate you.
EDIT: I still don't see any advantages in forming the LLC.
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My point is you don't have the backing of the community, or anybody else that wants to be in the tournament, why you ask? If you were somebody like xeris, who literally flew from california to montreal to host a tournament live with prizes and spend time with the people then you MIGHT have a point. If you actually took the time to build player confidence and build a fanbase and then have enough "player income" (in terms of #'s) and have a prize then we might agree with you.
However, iccup and wgtour don't charge people for stuff like this and they have been around for a while. Why should you? You're just a college community tournament. What you're doing right now is destroying what you've been building up for the past year.People don't like being deceived and will stop trusting you and then what... nothing. it won't be worth the time you spent on it
just my 2 cents
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I actually think she has the backing of the community to make the event a success, just not with the 5$charge per person that might be instituted. I mean, everyone wants to see the CSL be successful, but I don't think charging people an unnecessary fee is the way to go about it.
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I've had my doubts too. It's strange because all the involved parties (coordinators) either don't read their emails or just haven't responded with "never forgive you or trust you and then everything will fall" - they asked what the money was for, we responded, and then they said okay - cool.
Did your coordinator not tell you about this? The response was generally neutral/understanding from the colleges - if it were more like this, we would have rethought this process about three months ago.
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oups didn't have time to finish my edit and ya I think he has the community support but I mean, if he asked the tl community for help to establish something solid that he can help grow then the idea of community that blizzard had can be much better established... He would have a LOT of opinions and ideas and people can help him much more than this way.
The way he's going about this right now ... it seems like he's imposing something on the whole community which doesn't feel good. I mean, if I wanted to I could just create FCSL the free college stracraft league where everybody can play and use a tacky slogan like "Where college students unite to play starcraft and grow together" (sounds awful but I don't care). my point is, he could have gone about doing what he wanted to do in a more elegant way, right now I feel like I'm being violated.
edit: well you should be the first to know I don't receive emails from my coordinator  remember?
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k I need to talk to our actual coordinator...
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United States10774 Posts
empy aren't you our coordinator lol
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On September 01 2009 21:07 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 21:00 Chill wrote:
LOL ENTRY FEE?
Fucking ESports. I seem to remember the TSL being free and having ridiculous coverage. What are you kids doing these days? Hey Chill, when is TSL 2? We aren't established enough to have attracted a sponsor (yet), so do you really expect us to continually give out a prize to the winner out of our own pockets? Who is paying for that? as of now, I don't think anybody working on CSL has earned anything for it if that's what you're asking.
you've given out prizes to the winners? i must have missed that one.
also, taking a stab at a league that you can only dream of matching is lol.
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Empyrean probably has an excuse because he wasn't on last season's list, which is what we had to work off for bouncing off ideas.
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On September 02 2009 01:54 hazelynut wrote:
I've had my doubts too. It's strange because all the involved parties (coordinators) either don't read their emails or just haven't responded with "never forgive you or trust you and then everything will fall" - they asked what the money was for, we responded, and then they said okay - cool.
Did your coordinator not tell you about this? The response was generally neutral/understanding from the colleges - if it were more like this, we would have rethought this process about three months ago.
we agreed in principle under the impression that 100% of the money was going to go into prizes, not to help start your "business"
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yeah that's it. If there were good prizes then I don't think there would be much problem with it
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First off, why would you trust Blizzard. You realize that Blizzard was one of the main things that killed WGT? We signed a contract with them and that essentially ended the ladder for good because they failed to come through on their part of the bargain and we were contractually obligated to basically sit and wait for them.
Really what this looks like is a bunch of people seeing an opportunity to make a quick buck. As Freaky said, I seriously FLEW to Montreal to host a tournament for Canadians because they didn't have WCG and I felt like their community deserved a tournament. I didn't make anything, I actually spent money from my own pocket, but it was a great tournament... everyone had a lot of fun, and 100% of entry fee went to the players, and I was able to get them hardware prizes.
There's almost 0 reason to charge an entry fee unless 100% of it is going to the players. At all, there's no justification for charging an entry fee.
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On September 02 2009 01:59 OneOther wrote:
empy aren't you our coordinator lol
Yeah and this was the first time I found out about the entry fee <_<
That being said, let's start getting our practicing in?
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