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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
July 26 2009 08:15 GMT
#2441
Ahhhh.... T.T
Stork, you coulda had it.
4 gas was running and you didn't need to take 6 sunkens of damage.
Ugh... so close to epic win.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 26 2009 08:16 GMT
#2442
Hwaseung vs CJ. Effort Entus vs Jaedong Oz. GOGOOGOGG
#1 olleh KT 팬 http://sports.kt.com/ | #1 김택용 선수 팬 | 좋은 선수: 송병구, 이제동, 도제욱, 정명훈, 이성은 | KeSPA 한국 e-Sports 협회
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 26 2009 08:16 GMT
#2443
On July 26 2009 17:15 DM20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:14 unionbank wrote:
sKyhigh > fantasy
Iris > bisu
Kwanro > best
Effort > Hyuk

I am foreseeing this in the mega finals


They'd send Canata cause hes a fucking monster right now.


Not over fantasy. The only person Canata could replace in that lineup imo is Best.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 26 2009 08:16 GMT
#2444
On July 26 2009 17:15 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:12 udgnim wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:09 OneOther wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:07 NicolBolas wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:05 Lebesgue wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:03 OneOther wrote:
Why the FUCK did Stork suicide all his units at Effort's nat? All he needed to do was continue to control air with Corsairs and take more expos. Eventually add reavers. Why..why..


Seriously I dont undestand that at all. He was in control of the game and then he pulled out Kwanro style suiciding his whole army.


Stork wasn't in control of anything when he suicided his army. Stork did that because it was his best play. Effort had just exploded with Ultralisks; if Stork didn't kill him at that moment, he was done.

Well, technically, the moment to attack was 30-45 seconds before 8 Ultralisks popped out, but it was still his best play. He was losing/had lost, and that was all he had.

Nope, not true. Stork just needed to defend his expos and eventually tear down the ultralisk herd, while denying extra expansions. He was doing well. Stork was definitely in control of air with his corsairs (kept making them too) and I have no idea why he did that. Just needed to start making reavers eventually.


Effort was constantly downsizing Stork's corsair & dragoon numbers


Not at all. Stork's unit combination sucked. You have no idea how fast ultraling RIPS APART a toss force unless there are lots of archons + high templar or reavers to back them up. Stork had none of those 3 (a few archons are hardly anything).

Stork saw a timing window to attack before the ultralisks would pop and tried to hit it. He missed by about 20 seconds.

Stork's midgame army composition was strong. It's only weak once Z gets hive as long as Z can keep up in macro, which is what Stork's sair harass was trying to prevent.
ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
July 26 2009 08:16 GMT
#2445
Did you guys notice how Stork made his 4th base at a mineral deposit instead of the place with 2 gas geysers? He could of mass archons with all that gas.

Definitely very unusual play from Stork. Goons???
The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
July 26 2009 08:16 GMT
#2446
On July 26 2009 17:12 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:10 Athos wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:07 JWD wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:05 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Wow, I just realized that Stork didn't even use storm...not once.

sair-goon: possibly the worst unit combination against defiler + ultraling

Outsider is a tough map to PvZ on and obviously his opponent was ridiculous, but I think Stork played a pretty stupid game there (especially the bit where he decided to attack into Effort's nat)



By that point he realized he needed to do some economic damage otherwise he would get rolled by ultralisks. However if he wanted to do that he should have probably gone in much earlier. But I can see what he was thinking, go in kill some drone and get out before the ultras spawn. By that point in the game desperation had already set in for stork. Overall a good game coming from him though.


Why the hell did he go early mass goons is my question... Did it work in his other games or something? Aren't goons suppose to be supported by reavers? It was wierd play by stork. He didn't even have storms for christ sake.


I'm guessing he was trying to do something similar to Movie's goon build that is designed to beat 3hat muta-->5 hat hydra. However it seems in this case Effort was able to scout it and react appropriately.
Wannabe zerg player
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 26 2009 08:17 GMT
#2447
GLORIOUS CJ
Official Entusman #21
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 26 2009 08:17 GMT
#2448
On July 26 2009 17:15 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:12 udgnim wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:09 OneOther wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:07 NicolBolas wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:05 Lebesgue wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:03 OneOther wrote:
Why the FUCK did Stork suicide all his units at Effort's nat? All he needed to do was continue to control air with Corsairs and take more expos. Eventually add reavers. Why..why..


Seriously I dont undestand that at all. He was in control of the game and then he pulled out Kwanro style suiciding his whole army.


Stork wasn't in control of anything when he suicided his army. Stork did that because it was his best play. Effort had just exploded with Ultralisks; if Stork didn't kill him at that moment, he was done.

Well, technically, the moment to attack was 30-45 seconds before 8 Ultralisks popped out, but it was still his best play. He was losing/had lost, and that was all he had.

Nope, not true. Stork just needed to defend his expos and eventually tear down the ultralisk herd, while denying extra expansions. He was doing well. Stork was definitely in control of air with his corsairs (kept making them too) and I have no idea why he did that. Just needed to start making reavers eventually.


Effort was constantly downsizing Stork's corsair & dragoon numbers


Not at all. Stork's unit combination sucked. You have no idea how fast ultraling RIPS APART a toss force unless there are lots of archons + high templar or reavers to back them up. Stork had none of those 3 (a few archons are hardly anything).

Stork saw a timing window to attack before the ultralisks would pop and tried to hit it. He missed by about 20 seconds.

Uh I do have an idea. He just started mixing in DTs/Archons and desperately needed to hold the center. Yes, trying to kill the Zerg before Ultrasliks is a good attempt, but he should have retreated immediately after seeing Ultralisks/Defilers there. Keep killing overlords and deny drops with Corsairs, while adding Reavers. His army was large enough to hold his expansions with cannon support. Instead he decided to suicide
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
July 26 2009 08:17 GMT
#2449
On July 26 2009 17:16 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:15 DM20 wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:14 unionbank wrote:
sKyhigh > fantasy
Iris > bisu
Kwanro > best
Effort > Hyuk

I am foreseeing this in the mega finals


They'd send Canata cause hes a fucking monster right now.


Not over fantasy. The only person Canata could replace in that lineup imo is Best.


Over Hyuk, the only zerg they are going to send is TheZerg.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 26 2009 08:17 GMT
#2450
Now they need to run over to the GOM studio
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
July 26 2009 08:17 GMT
#2451
Stork shouldn't have gone his goon crap, play FE and get faster gas. The early gateway play dont fare well against zerg who can micro and knows what is happening.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 26 2009 08:18 GMT
#2452
On July 26 2009 17:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:02 JWD wrote:
I'm really shocked at the lack of celebration from CJ...one of the greatest comebacks in PL history and they're all straight-faced???

WTF?

must be this business (-_-)

4-0 or 4-3, -_-

we're in it to win it JWD!! they are all thinking about practice for hwaseung next round... won't be autowin just getting to ace against them

haha, maybe this is the reason CJ is so good
✌
orcsmash
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada319 Posts
July 26 2009 08:18 GMT
#2453
yessss
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 26 2009 08:18 GMT
#2454
On July 26 2009 01:52 crucifix wrote:
I'll suicide if CJ loses to KHAN. Super Ace match coming?
EffOrt vs FBH/Stork ?


good calls.
Sullifam
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 26 2009 08:19 GMT
#2455
On July 26 2009 17:16 vlaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 17:12 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:10 Athos wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:07 JWD wrote:
On July 26 2009 17:05 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Wow, I just realized that Stork didn't even use storm...not once.

sair-goon: possibly the worst unit combination against defiler + ultraling

Outsider is a tough map to PvZ on and obviously his opponent was ridiculous, but I think Stork played a pretty stupid game there (especially the bit where he decided to attack into Effort's nat)



By that point he realized he needed to do some economic damage otherwise he would get rolled by ultralisks. However if he wanted to do that he should have probably gone in much earlier. But I can see what he was thinking, go in kill some drone and get out before the ultras spawn. By that point in the game desperation had already set in for stork. Overall a good game coming from him though.


Why the hell did he go early mass goons is my question... Did it work in his other games or something? Aren't goons suppose to be supported by reavers? It was wierd play by stork. He didn't even have storms for christ sake.


I'm guessing he was trying to do something similar to Movie's goon build that is designed to beat 3hat muta-->5 hat hydra. However it seems in this case Effort was able to scout it and react appropriately.

I don't remember watching a game where Effort goes 5hatch hydra.
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
July 26 2009 08:19 GMT
#2456
holy shit, what a comeback

and by effort no less!
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
July 26 2009 08:19 GMT
#2457
People need to stop critisizing Stork's build choice and play.
Until his inexplicable 1a2a3a, Stork played pretty flawless after a poor start.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 26 2009 08:19 GMT
#2458
On July 26 2009 17:12 The Storyteller wrote:
Of course Coach Cho told Effort it wass okay to lose. It's Much who is going to be doing the dishes tonight, after all.

I laughed so hard at this ahahhahahahahahahahaha
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
alt.tday
Profile Joined April 2009
United States180 Posts
July 26 2009 08:20 GMT
#2459
SHIT WE'RE GONNA SEE A JVE ACE MATCH!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GO HWASEUNG OZ!!!!
♠Spades ♣Clubs ♥Hearts ♦Diamonds ★★★★★
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 26 2009 08:20 GMT
#2460
EffOrt was worried, make no mistake. He seemed a little stressed. But those ultras at the end, he got his ass in gear. It's amazing.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
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