[SPL] Samsung Khan vs SK Telecom T1 - Page 52

On June 10 2009 18:27 FabledIntegral wrote:


It's because of how significant of a role positions played. Bisu is generally known for a harassment style of play while Stork fights straight up battles. Due to positions, this role was reversed, simply because of the advantage of positions. Refusing to acknowledge this and pointing to fanboyism is simply naiive.

If Stork had won on a mirror map, these issues wouldn't have been brought up (I'm sure people would find whatever reasons, but not map imbalance). However, because Stork relied HEAVILY on map positioning to harass with his shuttles to weaken Bisu, that's why it's being discussed so much. It'd be like discussing heavily tank drops on Lost Temple from 12 to 9 and how it hit the toss nat or something. If a terran player won without doing that, it wouldn't be brought up.

Either way, it appears even in general play Stork outplayed Bisu. It's just being noted heavily by people BECAUSE of how Stork played.

On June 10 2009 19:14 weiliem wrote:
but if u watch back the games where stork>bisu, stork relies heavily on his reaver harass then into a goon contain. so your fact about bisu known for harass while stork known for straight up macro is not that accurate. (did not say its wrong) stork is a macro oriented player, but not on pvp

On June 10 2009 18:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
It's because of how significant of a role positions played.Bisu is generally known for a harassment style of play while Stork fights straight up battles. Due to positions, this role was reversed, simply because of the advantage of positions. Refusing to acknowledge this and pointing to fanboyism is simply naiive.

If Stork had won on a mirror map, these issues wouldn't have been brought up (I'm sure people would find whatever reasons, but not map imbalance). However, because Stork relied HEAVILY on map positioning to harass with his shuttles to weaken Bisu, that's why it's being discussed so much. It'd be like discussing heavily tank drops on Lost Temple from 12 to 9 and how it hit the toss nat or something. If a terran player won without doing that, it wouldn't be brought up.

Either way, it appears even in general play Stork outplayed Bisu. It's just being noted heavily by people BECAUSE of how Stork played.

On June 10 2009 22:12 Count9 wrote:
Sending JB was dumb, should've let Stork go for two wins would've been better. At least it was 3-2 SKT, got that part right >.>

On June 10 2009 23:24 Zato-1 wrote:

KHAN couldn't know whether Bisu or fantasy was going out for T1. Because, you know, T1 does send out players other than Bisu in ACE matches, unlike other teams.

On June 10 2009 23:24 Zato-1 wrote:

KHAN couldn't know whether Bisu or fantasy was going out for T1. Because, you know, T1 does send out players other than Bisu in ACE matches, unlike other teams.

On June 11 2009 00:49 Evs wrote:
ACE match choices are most likely made long before the actual game.

It's probably more practical to have only 1 or 2 people practice all week on the ACE map instead of everybody taking time to prepare for a match that might not even happen.

Jangbi and Bisu may have been assigned to prepare for such a role by their respective teams. Under this assumption it was only natural for them to be used regardless of how well they performed in their assigned matchups (both players suffered a loss before ACE) because they were the most prepared to take on all the possible ACE candidates of the other team.

I used to think that SKT and KTF coaches were retarded in making these seemingly weird ACE choices (that result in a loss) but proleague is all about team effort afterall. Distributing the load/burden of winning is a coach's job. One method of this is rotating the responsibility to prepare for an ACE match among the team members. This allows most of those who have a match to focus on their MU alone. (The goal is to win the individual matches anyway and get a 3:0 or 3:1 victory)

This is why we see Forgg or thezerg/best for ACE sometimes even though many could argue that they may not be the best choice. - because these were the people who practiced to be in the ACE position long before the match happened..

On June 11 2009 00:49 Evs wrote:
ACE match choices are most likely made long before the actual game.

On June 10 2009 23:24 Zato-1 wrote:

KHAN couldn't know whether Bisu or fantasy was going out for T1. Because, you know, T1 does send out players other than Bisu in ACE matches, unlike other teams.