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Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
June 10 2009 06:08 GMT
#741
lol, so much anti-Bisu vitriol. I didn't realize just how polarizing he apparently is.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
June 10 2009 06:08 GMT
#742
On June 10 2009 15:07 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 15:06 Kentor wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:04 Jayme wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:03 Kentor wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:00 Roffles wrote:
On June 10 2009 14:58 Polus wrote:
not to take anything away from great stork play, but the map position was favorable


So what if he had good map position? It couldn't have made that much of a difference. He destroyed Bisu in almost every facet of the game. Harass? Check. Battle micro? Check. The guy played superb. The difference in the play of their games was just so staggering. The guy played on top of his game.

right battle micro. i guess if you have more units you have better battle micro right


Perhapes you didn't see the stork double storm that killed 6 goons or the superior reaver micro.

Face it, stork played BETTER THAT GAME.

Bisu fans scare me.

it's a snowball effect dude.


Stork played better. End of story.

I already said map positions had LITTLE to do with it but Stork executed flawlessly. Yea that means playing better.

Do you have a control experiment? No.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 10 2009 06:08 GMT
#743
On June 10 2009 15:08 Sadistx wrote:
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On June 10 2009 15:07 JWD wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:05 QuakerOats wrote:
Spoiler for other match too
+ Show Spoiler +
All 4 ACE match players lost their normal match

This was confusing...

ACE game = a game involving an Air Force ACE player
ACE match = a match involving Air Force ACE
ace match = no sensical meaning
ace game = the Xth set in a BoX PL match

Oh shut up, you know exactly what he meant.


+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong and Skyhigh lost their matches and are now fighting. If you couldnt figure it out for real.

Course I could figure it out... just used it as an opportunity to rant on about a pet peeve...
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
June 10 2009 06:10 GMT
#744
On June 10 2009 15:08 Wala.Revolution wrote:
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On June 10 2009 15:04 QuietIdiot wrote:
Time to put the Jangbi>stork>bisu>jangbi theorem to the test


Haha yeah let's see what happens.


Interesting lol.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 10 2009 06:10 GMT
#745
I'd love to see bunkie hit a fan with that hammer..
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 06:12:28
June 10 2009 06:10 GMT
#746
lol from the map advantage the other day to positional advantage today

it wouldn't be snowball if bisu defended now would it?

map advantage is tough but positional advantage is doable
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 06:29:28
June 10 2009 06:11 GMT
#747
On June 10 2009 15:08 SilverSkyLark wrote:
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On June 10 2009 15:04 JWD wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:03 Wala.Revolution wrote:
To sum it up: yes, Stork had a better position.

Stork used it to his advantage, and one must not overshadow Stork's great execution "just because" of spawn position.

I totally agree.

And read FA's post above, that's what I was getting at with my question before...

Uhm what's with the positions..? really..
Is it that the shuttles can just walk to bisu's base without having a hard time because of the ridge that blinds the pylons from seeing the oncoming shuttle?

Your rally point is generally to your nat, and if Bisu wants to harass Stork's main he has to take a REALLY long way round (while the nat, is obviously well defended by stork's main army).

Oh another thing to take into account is who gets to attack from the "right angle", but I haven't played PvP in so long that I've forgotten the good angles for reavers LOL!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
June 10 2009 06:11 GMT
#748
On June 10 2009 15:08 Lucktar wrote:
lol, so much anti-Bisu vitriol. I didn't realize just how polarizing he apparently is.


Haha, how does saying Bisu was outplayed equals vitriol.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 10 2009 06:11 GMT
#749
On June 10 2009 15:08 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 15:04 JWD wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:03 Wala.Revolution wrote:
To sum it up: yes, Stork had a better position.

Stork used it to his advantage, and one must not overshadow Stork's great execution "just because" of spawn position.

I totally agree.

And read FA's post above, that's what I was getting at with my question before...

Uhm what's with the positions..? really..
Is it that the shuttles can just walk to bisu's base without having a hard time because of the ridge that blinds the pylons from seeing the oncoming shuttle?

Look at the layout of Shades of Twilight...from the top right position, you can put goons at your natural and defend from drops to both your nat and your main coming from the bottom right position. To drop the top right main from the bottom right, you have to go all the way around to the center of the map, and even then when you unload in the left of the top right main, you're not within striking distance of the mineral line.

Now compare that ordeal to dropping the bottom right main from the top right: you fly straight down, over your natural, over those ridges where your shuttle can't get shot at, and then unload right on top of the main mineral line.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
June 10 2009 06:12 GMT
#750
On June 10 2009 15:08 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2009 15:04 JWD wrote:
On June 10 2009 15:03 Wala.Revolution wrote:
To sum it up: yes, Stork had a better position.

Stork used it to his advantage, and one must not overshadow Stork's great execution "just because" of spawn position.

I totally agree.

And read FA's post above, that's what I was getting at with my question before...

Uhm what's with the positions..? really..
Is it that the shuttles can just walk to bisu's base without having a hard time because of the ridge that blinds the pylons from seeing the oncoming shuttle?


Do you really underestimate what an advantage this is? Bisu has to guard two fronts (and 3 later on when he expos to 6) and the distance between the two is certainly longer than Stork's.

More reaction time is definitely a great advantage.
Stuck.
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
June 10 2009 06:12 GMT
#751
bisu redeem yourself!
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
June 10 2009 06:13 GMT
#752
--- Nuked ---
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 10 2009 06:13 GMT
#753
Ooohh, now to put that into use...thanks guys...

I can also use that on Byzantium..
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
June 10 2009 06:13 GMT
#754
Who's the guy left (or left-left) of January?
Stuck.
Solinren
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2653 Posts
June 10 2009 06:13 GMT
#755
Frozean has a military haircut o.o
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 06:16:20
June 10 2009 06:14 GMT
#756
On June 10 2009 15:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
lol from the map advantage the other day to positional advantage today

it wouldn't be snowball if bisu defended now wouldn't it?

map advantage is tough but positional advantage is doable

No, obviously it wouldn't be a snowball effect then, since that'd basically mean the snowball ran down a fucking cliff and collapsed

I'm not even saying Stork won just because of the positions, I'm saying he won the way he did in part because of it. IE it had an exaggerating effect on the game.
On June 10 2009 15:13 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Ooohh, now to put that into use...thanks guys...

I can also use that on Byzantium..

The first thing that came to my mind was that "hey, this is kinda like what IdrA was complaining about on Medusa TvT" (I forget when, maybe it was 3 player maps in general).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 06:15:37
June 10 2009 06:14 GMT
#757
On June 10 2009 15:13 randomKo_Orean wrote:
HOW CAN YOU FORGET THUNDERSHOCK KONA D:

oops. reset

JWD explained it
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-10 06:15:53
June 10 2009 06:14 GMT
#758
Its really lame, because once people's favorite player loses, they blame map imbalance and crap. God's garden is slightly tipped in terran's favor, 6 - 10, 37.5%. But that doesn't mean I blame the map for jangbi's loss. Jangbi could of done better against the vultures. Fantasy's harass was better than jangbi's. Yes, I am a khan toss fan and I can admit that my player was outplayed. Now I want to see other people stop blaming the fcking map imbalances. IF bisu was as good as people say he was, little harasses like that shouldn't of hurt him DAT MUCH. GET OVER IT GUYS, STORK PLAYED A BETTER GAME. and yes, the map favored stork a bit.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
June 10 2009 06:15 GMT
#759
This is gonna end in tears. And I fear us SKT fans are gonna be the ones crying.
Brood War is alive and well.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
June 10 2009 06:15 GMT
#760
On June 10 2009 15:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
lol from the map advantage the other day to positional advantage today

it wouldn't be snowball if bisu defended now would it?

map advantage is tough but positional advantage is doable

bisu won against jaedong in part by map advantage and lost to stork in part by positional disadvantage

I don't really see the problem
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
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