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snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
March 13 2009 12:50 GMT
#1541
On March 13 2009 21:50 Undeadhunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:49 okum wrote:
If TotM eliminates some Protosses, that's just good. WAY too many PvP semifinals and finals lately; it's such a waste of Starcraft.


And the amount of zvz lately isn't?

Agreed on map pool imbalance... but nvm it it'll fade away. Just the way the 6 dragons faded away.
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
March 13 2009 12:51 GMT
#1542
yay, finally terran is still in this
I feel like pwning noobs
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 13 2009 12:52 GMT
#1543
ToTM is bad for protoss, but it's not 80%+ bad. Looking at the lineups there haven't been many what I consider upsets on a balanced maps. The zerg players on average have been stronger than the protoss players they've played in rated games on the map.
日本語が分かりますか
jac
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden115 Posts
March 13 2009 12:53 GMT
#1544
On March 13 2009 21:50 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:46 lb wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:38 baubo wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:33 GTR wrote:
TOTM isn't that bad, it's just Protosses have failed to adapt to it.

Yeah, I wouldn't say stork lost to the map, rather he was sloppy and lost alot of units to surrounds when he shouldn't have.


Actually, the map plays a huge part in it. On a normal map, Stork doesn't even have to take such risks. The map forces players to play a certain style.



So true. It reminds me of TvP on Medusa. And it reminds me that everyone whining about Tears had no complaints about Medusa.

69.6% = 85.7%(with a 13 game win streak for zerg) amiright.


Without Flash's wins the PvT percentage shoots up to 79.6% on Medusa. But that's still less than 85.7% and so it's not worth complaining about amirite. The win percentage on Tears would be higher for Protoss if one of them actually adapted to the map instead of crying about it.

Why would you count out Flash's wins? And yes adapting to not being able to FE putting them behind from the start is ez.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
March 13 2009 12:54 GMT
#1545
On March 13 2009 21:52 NovaTheFeared wrote:
ToTM is bad for protoss, but it's not 80%+ bad. Looking at the lineups there haven't been many what I consider upsets on a balanced maps. The zerg players on average have been stronger than the protoss players they've played in rated games on the map.

i'll check on this... this is another factor. No use complaining on map imbalance with such a small pool (of games, not spawning pool keke) to choose from if in fact the zerg were on the whole better.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 13 2009 12:54 GMT
#1546
There was PvZ before the fast expand and 9-10 mineral mains, and it wasn't 85-15.
日本語が分かりますか
kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
March 13 2009 12:54 GMT
#1547
Stork himself has made quite a number of mistakes.. He fell for jaedong's trap though..

Map imbalance is also a point.. ToTM aint that good with toss..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-13 13:00:24
March 13 2009 12:55 GMT
#1548
On March 13 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:38 baubo wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:33 GTR wrote:
TOTM isn't that bad, it's just Protosses have failed to adapt to it.

Yeah, I wouldn't say stork lost to the map, rather he was sloppy and lost alot of units to surrounds when he shouldn't have.


Actually, the map plays a huge part in it. On a normal map, Stork doesn't even have to take such risks. The map forces players to play a certain style.



So true. It reminds me of TvP on Medusa. And it reminds me that everyone whining about Tears had no complaints about Medusa.


Hahaha, so true...

edit: I just noticed, there is/was only one Terran left in MSL and OSL semifinals combined. That's pretty sad. Even sadder is, that it's the second time in a row this happen in both starleagues. The funny part is the Terran is the same player...you have to give fantasy some props for this.
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-13 13:01:36
March 13 2009 12:58 GMT
#1549
On March 13 2009 21:53 lb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:50 EvoChamber wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:46 lb wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:38 baubo wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:33 GTR wrote:
TOTM isn't that bad, it's just Protosses have failed to adapt to it.

Yeah, I wouldn't say stork lost to the map, rather he was sloppy and lost alot of units to surrounds when he shouldn't have.


Actually, the map plays a huge part in it. On a normal map, Stork doesn't even have to take such risks. The map forces players to play a certain style.



So true. It reminds me of TvP on Medusa. And it reminds me that everyone whining about Tears had no complaints about Medusa.

69.6% = 85.7%(with a 13 game win streak for zerg) amiright.


Without Flash's wins the PvT percentage shoots up to 79.6% on Medusa. But that's still less than 85.7% and so it's not worth complaining about amirite. The win percentage on Tears would be higher for Protoss if one of them actually adapted to the map instead of crying about it.

Why would you count out Flash's wins? And yes adapting to not being able to FE putting them behind from the start is ez.


The point is that Medusa is also horrifically imbalanced in a matchup but that a player from the disadvantaged race can still make the map work for him if he understands the map will force a different orientation towards the game and plays based off those modified assumptions instead of complaining and wishing they could play like they normally would.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
luiohh
Profile Joined February 2008
Bangladesh78 Posts
March 13 2009 12:59 GMT
#1550
On March 13 2009 21:32 maareek wrote:
Stork watches on, amused, by the amateurish tactics of his opponent. Looking down at his shirt, he notices his carrier pin - the mark of a true great. Understanding that it would be selfish to take up a spot in the semi-finals of the OSL from a relatively untested opponent for someone of such greatness as himself, he concedes the game and the match. What an impressive display of manliness by the Birdtoss.


well said, stork is so gracious today! normally he waits till the finals to display his manliness
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 13 2009 13:02 GMT
#1551
On March 13 2009 21:34 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:32 Shikyo wrote:
I couldn't read while doing pseudo-LR, but why did Stork get his gas so late?


Gas wasn't late, was actually at the right time for his one gate tech. A few little micro errors put him back quite a bit early game, which eventually cost him the game.

Since when was a gas after second pylon when the gateway is almost complete a proper timing? Man, my PvZ BO knowledge must be really off. x.x
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 13 2009 13:04 GMT
#1552
I brought together a list for those too lazy too look up TLPD, appearances by players and race.

Zerg
Jaedong x3
July x2
Luxury
By.hero
Yarnc
Magma x2
Firefist x2
Thezergx2
Hyun

Protoss
Bisu
Kal x2
Stork x2
Much
Backho
Rock x2
Shuttle x2
Soo
Tester
Tazza
Mujuk


I'd bet on that zerg lineup vs. this protoss lineup every day and twice on sunday.
日本語が分かりますか
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 13 2009 13:06 GMT
#1553
On March 13 2009 21:50 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 21:47 snapcrackle wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:36 Roffles wrote:
On March 13 2009 21:34 Weryeery wrote:
lol stop complaining about the map.
Lux had to play Fantasy on Chupung and nobody complained...


Zergs win about 35% on Chupung. Protosses on the other hand have won about 12% of their games on Tears. That's pretty fucking sad.

worth mentioning is the only reason chupung has gotten a higher zerg percentage win is cuz of JD..... no other zerg really pulled off wins on this map but him (i count 3 wins from him so far vT if i recall correct. One against Fantasy, one vs Hwasin and one vs Leta.



Chupung is bad for PvZ also but ToTM is the ultimate map ever, more so than medusa and plasma.

Stork done himself when he didn't play standard in chupung ryung. At least he has chance in midgame if JD initial lurker or muta don't do damage. The cheese was good but just the zealot was used wrongly, remember ever OSL 2007 game 2?


Hmmm.... Have you ever tried playing against a Protoss without being one yourself on Tiamat?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
March 13 2009 13:07 GMT
#1554
they should start helping Terran, they have not much luck since Oov and Boxer left. Its not easy to make an imba map for TvP though.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 13 2009 13:07 GMT
#1555
uhh, any recommended games?
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 13 2009 13:09 GMT
#1556
On March 13 2009 22:07 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
uhh, any recommended games?

hero vs fantasy game 3 ^_^
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1296 Posts
March 13 2009 13:10 GMT
#1557
On March 13 2009 22:07 Baddieko wrote:
Its not easy to make an imba map for TvP though.


wut!? just bring back lt...
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 13 2009 13:10 GMT
#1558
On March 13 2009 22:07 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
uhh, any recommended games?


All the games (that I saw) were pretty one-sided, but I'd tentatively recommend hero v hwasin game 3, because hero looked very good in that game without hwasin looking abysmal. You shouldn't consider yourself missing out if you don't watch any of the games, though, to be honest.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
March 13 2009 13:17 GMT
#1559
On March 13 2009 22:10 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2009 22:07 Baddieko wrote:
Its not easy to make an imba map for TvP though.


wut!? just bring back lt...



LOL great idea! 1 base starport drop. But its won't be as imba as boxer's period
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
March 13 2009 13:28 GMT
#1560
Hey I'm sure everybody complaining about Tears of the Moon in here is gonna show up to bitch about Medusa during Bisu vs. Fantasy too.... right?



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