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jac
Sweden115 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:36 Roffles wrote: Zergs win about 35% on Chupung. Protosses on the other hand have won about 12% of their games on Tears. That's pretty fucking sad. worth mentioning is that the two zergs protoss has taken games from on Tears is Thezerg and Firefist. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:34 sushiman wrote: Yeah, I wouldn't say stork lost to the map, rather he was sloppy and lost alot of units to surrounds when he shouldn't have. He lost on the map. Due to the back entrance, JD is able to flank everytime very easily when stork want to move out. Zerg units outnumber protoss in early game but most maps dont allow that flank. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:32 Jee-Host wrote: It all happened only because ridiculously imbalanced map pool Return of the King - Last 10 : P 9 - 1 Z Sin Chupung-Ryeong - Last 10 : P 3 - 7 Z Tears of the Moon - Last 10 : P 0 - 10 Z It's pretty bad for P, but it's not nearly as ridiculous as you make it out to be. It's pretty much 1 autowin for each race, and then one map slightly favoring Zerg. A ridiculous map pool is, for example, the one in the Arena MSL. Colosseum Othello Tiamat Athena It doesn't get much more T>Z than that. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
 I'm even more impressed that you pulled it off when you don't even like stork. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:38 baubo wrote: Actually, the map plays a huge part in it. On a normal map, Stork doesn't even have to take such risks. The map forces players to play a certain style. So true. It reminds me of TvP on Medusa. And it reminds me that everyone whining about Tears had no complaints about Medusa. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
but micro mistakes, no game sense, ect.. has nothing at all to do with map imbalance.. Stork is just not good enough and he doesnt have what flahs,bisu,jd ect.. have.. for me thats a fact.. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:38 NeVeR wrote: JD vs Hero in the semis.. Guess it's pretty definite that we'll be seeing the zerg king in the finals  Guess we'll see Jaedong in the finals Boy it's his best matchup in a bo5 = win And then he "just" needs to most likely smother Bisu once more  | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:39 lb wrote: worth mentioning is that the two zergs protoss has taken games from on Tears is Thezerg and Firefist. Not to mention those were the first games played on the map and crappy zergs didn't realize how to play against protoss one-base tech. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:39 Baddieko wrote: He lost on the map. Due to the back entrance, JD is able to flank everytime very easily when stork want to move out. Zerg units outnumber protoss in early game but most maps dont allow that flank. Then you have to consider that option when deciding to move out. Stork moved out at a bad time, and thus got murdered. Not to mention the first time when he lost 2 zeals to kill a single ling. Bad decision-making isn't something you can blame on map imbalance. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:39 lb wrote: worth mentioning is that the two zergs protoss has taken games from on Tears is Thezerg and Firefist. worth mentioning that BACKHO was one of the winners there. It's bad for toss, not impossible. | ||
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jac
Sweden115 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:41 EvoChamber wrote: So true. It reminds me of TvP on Medusa. And it reminds me that everyone whining about Tears had no complaints about Medusa. 69.6% = 85.7%(with a 13 game win streak for zerg) amiright. | ||
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jac
Sweden115 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:45 Geo.Rion wrote: worth mentioning that BACKHO was one of the winners there. It's bad for toss, not impossible. Dude, Backho is lightyears ahead of Firefist. Don't even go there. | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:36 Roffles wrote: Zergs win about 35% on Chupung. Protosses on the other hand have won about 12% of their games on Tears. That's pretty fucking sad. worth mentioning is the only reason chupung has gotten a higher zerg percentage win is cuz of JD..... no other zerg really pulled off wins on this map but him (i count 3 wins from him so far vT if i recall correct. One against Fantasy, one vs Hwasin and one vs Leta. So screw map balance... JD is unbalanced. | ||
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Undeadhunter
Belgium40 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:43 3nickma wrote: Guess we'll see Jaedong in the finals Boy it's his best matchup in a bo5 = win And then he "just" needs to most likely smother Bisu once more I really do hope he can beat Bisu in the finals (if he gets there), it would be a huge blow to all the Bisu fans out there | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
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Undeadhunter
Belgium40 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:49 okum wrote: If TotM eliminates some Protosses, that's just good. WAY too many PvP semifinals and finals lately; it's such a waste of Starcraft. And the amount of zvz lately isn't? | ||
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maareek
United States2042 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:40 CDRdude wrote: mareek, I really admire your live reporting, it's so hard to do when your guy is losing I'm even more impressed that you pulled it off when you don't even like stork.Haha, thanks. I was really sparse on content this time because stork did basically nothing but suck for the entirety of the 2 games. Most of the time I was sitting there trying to figure out how to spin it, but typically just went with the "close my eyes and cover my ears" type of fanboy statements. May we meet again on less imbalanced turf! It did seem like you took yours up a level tonight, though, so kudos for that. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:46 lb wrote: 69.6% = 85.7%(with a 13 game win streak for zerg) amiright. Without Flash's wins the PvT percentage shoots up to 79.6% on Medusa. But that's still less than 85.7% and so it's not worth complaining about amirite. The win percentage on Tears would be higher for Protoss if one of them actually adapted to the map instead of crying about it. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On March 13 2009 21:47 snapcrackle wrote: worth mentioning is the only reason chupung has gotten a higher zerg percentage win is cuz of JD..... no other zerg really pulled off wins on this map but him (i count 3 wins from him so far vT if i recall correct. One against Fantasy, one vs Hwasin and one vs Leta. Chupung is bad for PvZ also but ToTM is the ultimate map ever, more so than medusa and plasma. Stork done himself when he didn't play standard in chupung ryung. At least he has chance in midgame if JD initial lurker or muta don't do damage. The cheese was good but just the zealot was used wrongly, remember ever OSL 2007 game 2? | ||
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