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WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 31 2009 06:20 GMT
#281
--- Nuked ---
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 31 2009 06:20 GMT
#282
On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?


maybe because they don't think that saint will be able to win on sin chypung ryong (i misspelled that i'm sure )
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 31 2009 06:21 GMT
#283
On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?

look at the next map
dats racist
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
January 31 2009 06:21 GMT
#284
On January 31 2009 15:19 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is the first game of Ro16 OSL Bisu vs Stork?


Indeed.
Zero fighting.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 31 2009 06:21 GMT
#285
On January 31 2009 15:20 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:15 Plutonium wrote:
Imba Medusa.

Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over.


I don't think it was the map, although it might have played a little bit of a part. I think free wins that game any day of the week.

is that sea being picked?

it was mostly definitely the map
there is no way to efficiently defend shuttle play on a map with a perimeter that large, and a free double nexus and easy 4 bases doesnt exactly hurt.

I guess being greedy and taking two expos super fast like that doesn't help?
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 31 2009 06:21 GMT
#286
On January 31 2009 15:19 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.

? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...


He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).


he did have a window, but the middle of medusa is really really tough. I'm guessing that he scouted the arb tech, and then was saving the scans so that he didn't see the really really low unit count until too late. Just a guess though, don't rip me apart too hard


Yea medusa is a hard map to play TvP on, but at least in my opinion he should have gone straight for his nat and pressure him like hell. The terrain is really a bottleneck at the nat's so it would have been really good for light :\ Then he could have proceeded to hammer Free's gateway field eventually. The arbs were a threat though but he did have scan I think right? and you need an army to make arbs effective
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 31 2009 06:23 GMT
#287
On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.

? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...


He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).

Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.


Yeah the four bases especially
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 31 2009 06:23 GMT
#288
On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?

Because...if Sea wins, he'll probably face GGplay on Chupung-Ryeong, which gives a waaay better chance than Saint vs GGplay. The coach decided that Sea was more safe vs Free/GGplay than Saint would have been. And I agree, ZvZ is a volatile MU and Saint isn't a ZvZ specialist.
Jaedong
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 31 2009 06:23 GMT
#289
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?

Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%
dats racist
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
January 31 2009 06:24 GMT
#290
I really hope Sea wins this match, seeing him versus GGPlay sounds so good, something between those players just .. I don't even know what, but it just feels so awesome.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
January 31 2009 06:24 GMT
#291
On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.

? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...


He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).

Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.


Those attacks were blunders, but his macro with 4th base made up for it.

Game went back and forth a lot of times.
Stuck.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
January 31 2009 06:25 GMT
#292
On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?

Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%


From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.
Stuck.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 31 2009 06:26 GMT
#293
On January 31 2009 15:24 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:
On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.

? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...


He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).

Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.


Those attacks were blunders, but his macro with 4th base made up for it.

Game went back and forth a lot of times.

Well I think Free was comfortably ahead throughout most of the game, then he decided to do a stupid attack and gave Light a window of opportunity
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-31 06:27:42
January 31 2009 06:26 GMT
#294
On January 31 2009 15:25 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?

Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%


From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.

71.7% Just do the math yourselves, lazy
included today's game.
Jaedong
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 31 2009 06:26 GMT
#295
On January 31 2009 15:25 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?

Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%


From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.


katrina at 73.5, medusa at 71.5
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 31 2009 06:27 GMT
#296
what's wrong with free's computer, and why haven't they started yet *asks the person who dosen't know korean, and all he sees is the tech looking like guy in free's booth*
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Plutonium
Profile Joined November 2007
United States2217 Posts
January 31 2009 06:28 GMT
#297
Free threw away tons and tons of units early on - but because of Medusa, Light had to defend at way too many locations at once.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
January 31 2009 06:28 GMT
#298
Hana, dool, set! Yeom Bo Sung Hwaiting!
Stuck.
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
January 31 2009 06:28 GMT
#299
What's up with Sea. did he run like a mile before getting in the booth? He's sweatin' big.
☺ ☻
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
January 31 2009 06:28 GMT
#300
INTRO PLAYED

Free vs Sea STARTING!
Free is white at 7 o'clock
Sea is orange at 5 o'clock
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
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