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Zero's gonna all-kill these chumps like it's nothing.
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too bad MBC's strength lies in terrans. I predict a light mech build to shut out zero in the third, saint in the 2nd.
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Russian Federation376 Posts
ZerO > Hyun
ZerO < Ruby
Free > Ruby
Free > Pusan
Free > Sea
Hope to see Free hwaiting!
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United States12607 Posts
I'm excited to see both of these Zergs play. ZerO looks like a legit contender these days, and HyuN has been afk for a while after a very promising start to his career last year.
I like both teams so...I'll root for the underdog. WJ fighting!
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Damnit Sea, pull through for me
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Here's hoping Woonjing STars won't make it past the combo of Light and Sea. Though free *might* manage to do it. Light's been too strong tvp imo.
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ZerO > HyuN
ZerO > RuBy
ZerO > Light
ZerO > Sea
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United States13896 Posts
Hopefully ZerO wins game one so we can see some intense ZvT's.
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Light pushed Jaedong to the brink in their OSL games, I don't think ZerO will win.
Edit: If they do end up playing that is.
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On January 31 2009 10:28 Pioneer wrote:
Light pushed Jaedong to the brink in their OSL games, I don't think ZerO will win.
Edit: If they do end up playing that is.
If Light mechs, he has a definite edge, if he bio's, the ball is in ZerO's court. Since he gets to choose, he'll probably win.
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No liquibet for this one?
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Man Sea is sucking right now and to top it off he always loses to Free, its kinda his stork jr.
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On January 31 2009 10:28 Pioneer wrote:
Light pushed Jaedong to the brink in their OSL games, I don't think ZerO will win.
Edit: If they do end up playing that is.
Yeah, esp. with Destination and Rush Hour 3 as the #3 and #4 maps it seems almost impossible that ZerO could allkill a team with Sea, Light and Ruby on it.
Random guess:
ZerO > HyuN
ZerO < RuBy
GuemChi > RuBy
GuemChi < Sea
Free > Sea
Free > Saint
I could very well see Saint beating Free on Andromeda but to be honest I don't have the slightest clue who to expect Woongjin to send as a 4th player so I'll just assume Free will pull it off. Also it's entirely possible they might send a Terran out against RuBy under these circumstances so they either A) don't have to suicide GuemChi or Free into a terran (presumably Sea) on Rush Hour or B) send GuemChi or Free on Rush Hour to probably beat RuBy anyway because let's face it, his TvP is not frightening even given the map imbalance.
We'll see how it pans out I suppose, map order seems like it will be difficult to string together a decent series of wins. Maybe I'm off though.
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ZerO > Hyun
ZerO > Saint
ZerO < Light
Piano/MVP/Random T < Light
Free > Light
Free > Pusan/Sea
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I really doubt Saint would be sent against ZerO, his ZvZ isn't at ZerO's level. I imagine if Free ends up Andromeda Saint will be sent since last time they played he rolled Free there.
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On January 31 2009 11:25 Plexa wrote:
MBC to rape plz!
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Comon MBC help my score!! 
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I can't get a stream tonight, so lr greatly appreciated! 
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I'll live report, but my Internet is unstable around 8:05-8:20 PM around here (when it starts for me), so my reports will be filled with lots of missing information for at least the first game.
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On January 31 2009 12:49 DoX.) wrote:
woot 10 more mins
until my piano lesson ><
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Ok, Internet should be up for a while.
Zero is red at 5 o'clock
Hyun is green at 1 o'clock
Looks like zero did 12 pool, and Hyun did either overpool/9pool
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Zero in red, bottom right, Hyun in green, top right.
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Lair going up for Hyun, a bit earlier than Zero's
Lings out for both players
Hyun sending his lings towards Zero's base
Zero making a wall of lings at his main choke
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Zero moving out...
BUT AHHH HYUN IS MOVING IN WITH A HUGE AMOUNT OF LINGS, WAAAAY MORE THAN ZERO
HYUN KILLS MOST OF ZERO'S LINGS
HYUN GOING INTO ZERO'S MAIN
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Hyun's lings just running around, trying to pick off some drones, but Zero manages to drive it off with some fresh lings and drone pulling
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Hyun's spire already finished, mutas out
Zero putting up a Evo Chamber (his spire is not up yet) for spores
Zero trying to counter with his ling force, but is quickly driven off by mutas and a well-placed sunken
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Zero is forced to just spore up rather than try to get his spire up first.
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Zero moving into Hyun's main again with lings, and just loses all of them to the sunk and drones
Mutas force Zero's nat hatch to stop mining
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Mutas take out Zero's nat hatchery
Zero putting up a Spire behind his minerals
Zero just throwing away more lings into Hyun's main
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Hyun actually has a very low drone count now, so Zero's lings actually did do quite a lot
Mutas trying to harass the main, but a well-placed Spore is stopping them
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United States4126 Posts
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Some mutas out for Zero, far less than Hyun's amount
Hyun taking his nat while continuing the muta harass
What? Zero takes out a large chunk of Hyun's muta force with his own mutas.
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Hyun making more Mutas as well as some Scourge, just leaving them in his main
Zero's muta count is getting pretty high now
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On January 31 2009 13:15 Kinky wrote:
VLC link if anyone's interested.
THANK YOU
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so I just heard that my friend's house, ever since the tv channels are swtiching to digital, he has this game live on his TV. i'm going to his house right now :D
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Zero has such good muta control.
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Zero's Mutas going right for Hyun's nat
The mutas take out some drones, and also some Scourge with some nice micro
It's down to Muta vs Muta now (pretty much even)...... and WOOOW ZERO MANAGES TO TAKE OUT HYUN'S MUTAS
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Zero is awesome. Realpenguin made it seem like he was way behind, I got on Kinky's VLC link (thanks, by the way!) and I see Zero finishing off Hyun's airforce and winning the game.
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Damn, Hyun was so far ahead until the ling raids  .
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Wow impressive game by Zero, really looked like he was out of it for a moment there.
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MBC coaches have the expression on their faces like "How did we lose that one?"
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YES OGN CHANGED THE SOUNDTRACK FINALLY (at least one song)
MBC IS SENDING OUT
SHARK
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Another Zerg for MBC, I think it's Shark?
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Shark is probably one of the only people who has comparable mutalisk control to zero.
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OGN already pimping the Bisu/Stork showdown.
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Hey, I've upgraded from a Drone to a Zergling. Exciting.
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United States13896 Posts
On January 31 2009 13:20 Jaksiel wrote:
MBC coaches have the expression on their faces like "How did we lose that one?"
seriously I don't know if I've ever seen a group of coaches look so exasperated. Two of them were rubbing their eyes as if they couldn't believe their eyes.
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Shark and not Saint? Is Shark a ZvZ sniper or something? (another question... is that even possible? )
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Zero's muta control is art
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Saint is ZvP Sniper, Shark ZvZ sometimes ZvT, RuBy TvZ, Han PvZ.
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Ok, the soundtrack is still the same (for the most part)
INTRO PLAYED
ZERO vs SHARK STARTING!
Zero is tan at 5 o'clock
Shark is red at 7 o'clock
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Zero sending his overlord cross positions
Shark sending his ovie in the right direction to Zero's main
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Shark scouting correctly, Zero incorrectly.
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Both are expanding to their nat.
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Both players doing 12 hatch...
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Wait, did Shark change his overlord's path before he scouted Zero?
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wtf what is shark doing with his OL????
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Shark didn't go all the way to Zero's main... instead he sent his overlord up halfway across the map?!
Pool/gas timings are practically the same for each player
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Lings out at the same time as well
Zero sending another ovie, this time it's going right to Shark's main
Shark sends 1 ling towards Zero's main, sees the scouting ovie
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Builds seem identical, therefore it should come down to micro, therefore I like Zero to take this.
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Zero moving out with his lings, at the back entrance of Shark's nat
Shark getting ready to engage
SHARK MOVING HIS LINGS TO THE BACK, READY TO FLANK ZERO'S LINGS
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ZERO TRYING TO ENGAGE, BUT THE FLANK COMES IN AND ZERO IS FORCED TO BACK OFF
Zero gathering lings at his nat choke
Shark's lings chilling out near the middle of the map
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just a little nitpick at the 'results'
Set 1 ZerO < Colosseum II > HyuN
Set 2 ZerO < Neo Harmony >
Set 3 < Destination > Shark[gm]
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Shark sending his lings back to his nat
Zero moving out with even more lings
MUtas out for Shark
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Heh, they even take the nat gas at the same time.
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ZERO MOVING INTO SHARK'S NAT WITH A BUNCH OF LINGS
ZERO'S LINGS TAKING OUT ALL OF SHARK'S LINGS
ZERO'S MUTAS ARE OUT
SHARK TRYING TO DEFEND IT WITH HIS SMALL MUTA COUNT
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ZERO TAKING OUT A BUNCH OF LINGS AT SHARK'S MAIN
SHARK MAKING SCOURGE NOW, MOVING INTO ZERO'S MAIN WITH MUTA/SCOURGE
ZERO MAKING SCOURGE AS WELL
ZERO READY TO ENGAGE, AND ZERO TAKES OUT ALL OF SHARK'S MUTAS
SHARK GGS
Stars 2-0 MBC
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Zero's fucking good
Forcing shark to give up his nat to save his main
Multitasking beast
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is awesome32274 Posts
WOW ZERO.
muta micro my god
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How can someone that bad at ZvZ be considered a ZvZ sniper?
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God I love Zero. That was so well-played.
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United States1865 Posts
My guess: Light next for MBC
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I'm really looking forward to Zero's MSL Bo3 against Yarnc. I know a lot of people don't like ZvZ, but that should be an awesome series.
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OH GEEZ NOT THIS SONG AGAIN
MBC SENDING OUT
LIGHT
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Light for MBC, expect incoming Mech.
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United States1865 Posts
On January 31 2009 13:41 Atrioc wrote:
My guess: Light next for MBC
GG no re
My next prediction is that he goes Mech
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Ha! I hadn't seen that commercial before. Ahnold gunning down random dudes...is an ad for All-Kill!
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GOVERNATOR LOLOLOLOL
ALLKILL AHAHAH
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United States1865 Posts
WELCOME TO THE BOILING POINT
YOU GOT A LOT TO FUCKING LEARN... !!!
game about to start
*Edit*
nvm playback first
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INTRO PLAYED
ZERO VS LIGHT STARTING
Zero is yellow at 11 o'clock
Light is orange at 5 o'clock
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ZERO IS 4 POOLING
Zero going for 12 hatch FE
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The observer gives us the neutral unit sound effect for some reason.
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United States13143 Posts
Light is not going mech!
EDIT: He doesn't have his gas yet, which is awfully late for a mech build. He might go 1rax CC into mech or something instead, though.
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Observer clicking on critters hehehe
Light going for 1 rax CC
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LIght nearly snipes Zero's scouting overlord
3rd hatch going up at the top of Zero's ramp
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Even ZerO's Overlord micro is sick.
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Another rax going up. Hooray, not mech!
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Academy up for Light
Lair finishing up for Zero
2nd rax going up for Light
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Spire going up for Zero
Light pushing out with some marines, 1 fbat and 2 medics
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Never mind, LIght's mnm just chilling outside his nat bridges
Factory is done for Light, and he's putting up a Starport (and a 3rd rax)?!
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Ebay up for Light, setting up turrets just in time for Zero's mutas
Zero's mutas just arriving at Light's main, but are prevented from doing too much damage because of turrets
Zero taking a 3rd at 2 o'clock
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Zero's mutas attacking from behind Light's nat, managing to snipe a turret and a few SCVs
Sci Facility up for Light
Queen's Nest going up for Zero
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This has not been Zero's best micro.
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(hydra den is also going up)
Zero's muta harass picking off a lot of marines
Zero upgrading to Hive
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ZERO MOVING INTO LIGHT'S NAT WITH MUTALING
....and is immediately driven back by some MNM
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Zero trying to keep up the harass on Light's nat with mutas and lings, but is is prevented from doing much
ZERO MORPHING LURKS OUTSIDE OF LIGHT'S NAT WHAT?!
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That was a ridiculously clutch scan.
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LIGHT SCANS THE EGGS, MOVES OUT and takes out none of them (?)
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United States13143 Posts
TvZ from the year 2007: SK Terran(no tanks, not even a machine shop) vs 3 hatch muta.
YES!
EDIT: Now he has a shop and tanks :/
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Light's macro seems to be failing a little, Barracks were not flashing for several seconds at least.
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The newly hatched lurks quickly nullified by some Irradiate
Defiler out for Zero
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Tanks are out for Light
Light pushing up with his MNM/tank/vessel, and Zero engages using some swarm, forcing Light away
Light now pushing around Zero's army, around the left-side of the map
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Light moving in to attack Zero's 3rd at 2 o'clock
Zero quickly brings lurk/ling/defiler to defend.... BUT IT WON'T BE ENOUGH, THE HATCHERY GOES DOWN
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Zero trying to attack the MNM/tank/vessel force near his old 2 o'clock, but loses a lot of his own units
Light taking a 3rd at 4 o'clock
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Holy crap that's a ton of vessels.
Zero doesn't have adrenal glands yet?
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Light has a huge cloud of vessels... WHICH PROMPTLY GETS PLAGUUUUUUU'D
Light just pushing into Zero's nat now
ZERO GGS
Stars 2-1 MBC
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Damn...I wanted Sea to own..T.T
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Rush Hour 3 = sacrifical Terran for Stars?
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Light's been reading our strat forum hehe. Using the same build that anotherday and merz made fpvods for. 2 rax tech.
Light's tvz is fun to watch.
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Super Terran is back folks.
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I can't even really pinpoint where Zero lost that one. His micro wasn't as good as usual, but I don't feel like Light did anything special (correct me if I'm wrong).
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Sacrifical GuemChi instead of throwing out a random Terran.
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Can anyone explain why zero skipped upgrades? I don't think he even put down an evo chambr, was he hoping for a surprise defiler + lurker timing win? I did hear the commentors say eee han timing a lot, but that could've been for light.
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On January 31 2009 14:14 Jaksiel wrote:
I can't even really pinpoint where Zero lost that one. His micro wasn't as good as usual, but I don't feel like Light did anything special (correct me if I'm wrong).
Light's build was really good as long as he didnt die from mutas his vessel count in mid game would be really high.
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On January 31 2009 14:14 Jaksiel wrote:
I can't even really pinpoint where Zero lost that one. His micro wasn't as good as usual, but I don't feel like Light did anything special (correct me if I'm wrong).
Light just did textbook bio Terran and did it well.
You know, for all the flak mech gets for being "boring", bio is so explored and repetitive, that I would like to see more mech games.
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That remixed classical song (Pathetique Sonata by Beethoven) sounded really, really bad.
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On January 31 2009 14:16 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:14 Jaksiel wrote:
I can't even really pinpoint where Zero lost that one. His micro wasn't as good as usual, but I don't feel like Light did anything special (correct me if I'm wrong). Light's build was really good as long as he didnt die from mutas his vessel count in mid game would be really high.
Well, that's for sure. I had seen about 3 Vessels floating around and then all of a sudden there's like 8 at Zero's nat.
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On January 31 2009 14:18 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Does anyone need LR?
yes
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Is anyone else LRing? I'll try to pick up on what the translators say if someone else is.
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On January 31 2009 14:18 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Does anyone need LR?
Realpenguin seems to have it covered, as usual for Stars matches, but I don't think more LR ever hurt anything.
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On January 31 2009 14:20 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is anyone else LRing? I'll try to pick up on what the translators say if someone else is.
I've been LRing, but if you want you can do it, since you can surely get more interesting things from the commentators
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Too bad it's OGN so I'll get a lot of food references. One of the commentator is called "Food (Eating) God)".
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Stars are my team, but I don't really care about GuemChi. He can lose so we can move on to Free and then GGPlay if necessary.
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hahah wtf Light singing to himself or something
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On January 31 2009 14:23 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Too bad it's OGN so I'll get a lot of food references. One of the commentator is called "Food (Eating) God)".
hehehehe
INTRO PLAYED
Guemchi vs Light STARTING
Guemchi is teal at 7 o'clock
Light is orange at 3 o'clock
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Light: Orange terran at 3
GC: Teal Protoss at 7
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Usual stuff...
Guemchi with gate/gas
Light with rax/gas, opting for the wall-in
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Light microing his scvs to get maximum mineral intake!
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"A normal TvP is a T>P on RH3"
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Guemchi upgrading range
Light's first scouting SCV scouts correctly
LIGHT GOING 2 FACT?!
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On January 31 2009 14:28 Wala.Revolution wrote:
"A normal TvP is a T>P on RH3"
2 pectory, not normal T
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Light's been known for doing 2facts - but recently lost to Bisu at Medusa.
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unfortunately light really, really sucks at TvP
although I really hope guemchi dies
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Machine Shop going up on the first fact
2nd fact finishing up
Light blocking his ramp with marines/SCVs, using the "floating rax trick"
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lol this looks like auto win for Light.
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Guemchi taking his nat
Robo going up for GUemchi
Light moving out with 4 rines, 2 tanks, and 2 vults
On January 31 2009 14:30 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Light's been known for doing 2facts - but recently lost to Bisu at Medusa.
I don't keep up with Light's games too much (or MBC as a whole -_-)
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Uh-oh, Guemchi has only 4 goons
LIGHT JUST PUSHING INTO THE NAT, GUEMCHI PULLING PROBES
ALL THE PROBES ARE DEAD
Guemchi trying to hold off the 2 fact with goons
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YAHHH LIGHT LANDS HIS RAX ON THE GOONS, PREVENTING THEM FROM FIRING (for a while)
GUemchi manages to deal with most of the 2 fact push with his constant 3 gate goon pumping, but loses his nat nexus
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3rd fact going up for LIght
Light's nat is up and running
Light also putting up an Armory
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Guemchi moving out with a small amount of goons, outside Light's nat
Shuttle is out, loaded with 4 zealots
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Zealot-bombing scvs. Takes out 4-5 or so for 2 zealots.
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WHOA GUEMCHI IS ZEALOT BOMBING LIGHT'S NAT SCVs
THE TANKS NEARBY JUST TAKING OUT THOSE SCVs WITH THEIR SPLASH DAMAGE
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Light takes out a obs with golis and a scan.
Reaver for GC, but golis with range is already there...
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On January 31 2009 14:31 Realpenguin wrote:Guemchi taking his nat Robo going up for GUemchi Light moving out with 4 rines, 2 tanks, and 2 vults Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:30 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Light's been known for doing 2facts - but recently lost to Bisu at Medusa. I don't keep up with Light's games too much (or MBC as a whole -_-)
I don't either lol; I'm hearing this from Commentators.
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Light moving out now along the bottom of the map, with a sizable amount of tank/vult
Guemchi has some goons already at the bottom of the map, in position to engage
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United States17042 Posts
oh man, i can't believe that i forgot proleague was starting again today
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Shuttle on a mission again, reaver is dropped, taking out a decent amount of SCVs at both the main and nat
Light continuing the push along the bottom, tanks are sieged in range of the Nexus
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So many terrible scarabs.
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guemchi plz just gg, this is stupid.
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United States10774 Posts
PvT Rush Hour III is a joke...
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United States17042 Posts
okay, looks like gumchi has all of his tech, aka both dt tech as well as reaver tech, but light has managed to push him inside of his main only. Gumchi desperately needs another base.
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Guemchi's nat Nexus goes down again
Light's tanks just chilling out at the nat
Light also setting up some turrets to prevent Guemchi from mining from it again
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wow.... reavers are becoming nearly useless.
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Reaver is dropped in the main again
Silly dud scarab does no damage, and the shuttle nearly dies from some nearby gols
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DTs out for Guemchi
Guemchi trying to take a 2nd base at 9 o'clock, but looks like a vulture scouted it (?)
Guemchi GGs
Stars 2-2 MBC
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Heh. DTs go down quickly and GuemChi immediately GGs.
Free for sure next. If he manages to lose to Light on Medusa...
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On January 31 2009 14:40 rushz0rz wrote:
wow.... reavers are becoming nearly useless.
at least against scv's. It takes a lot more positional micro now to try to make sure that the scarab is shooting towards the stacked scv line running away.
No wonder more pros are doing the dt drop thing >.> it tends to force more turrets
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GC looks sad, probably from losing the game and being a sacrificial pawn.
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On January 31 2009 14:30 Sunyveil wrote:
unfortunately light really, really sucks at TvP
although I really hope guemchi dies
His TvP was never that bad, and it has improved alot recently along with his TvT.
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they will send out Free. No way in hell will they send out GGPlay on Medusa again to get raped like last time. Maybe even MVP.
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In possibly the least surprising move ever, the Stars indeed go with Free.
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free could take the next two matches
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Who will MBC send on Andromeda after Free takes care of Light? Sea, or is he playing too poorly lately?
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Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera).
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On January 31 2009 14:43 Jaksiel wrote:
In possibly the least surprising move ever, the Stars indeed go with Free.
No shit. Who else are they going to send... GGPlay? MVP? LOL.
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If free wins Pusan is probably the only hope..but then hell have to play GGplay.
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On January 31 2009 14:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera).
910?
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That's a lot of people watching a gumdam tournament.
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United States10774 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:44 mog87 wrote:
If free wins Pusan is probably the only hope..but then hell have to play GGplay.
Saint!
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On January 31 2009 14:44 Disregard wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera). 910?
I don't think MBC would send him out, he just isn't good enough, especially to take down Free, if Free does win this set.
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I remember watching A MILLION Huxley commercials - how did the game do? Is anyone playing it?
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On January 31 2009 14:45 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:44 Disregard wrote:On January 31 2009 14:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera). 910? I don't think MBC would send him out, he just isn't good enough, especially to take down Free, if Free does win this set.
Just indicating for Wala, sending out 910 is a big ROFL...
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On January 31 2009 14:46 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I remember watching A MILLION Huxley commercials - how did the game do? Is anyone playing it?
Is it even out?
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On January 31 2009 14:45 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:44 Disregard wrote:On January 31 2009 14:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera). 910? I don't think MBC would send him out, he just isn't good enough, especially to take down Free, if Free does win this set.
I think you didn't read my post or inferred wrongly.
That bubble fighter game looks fun lol.
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On January 31 2009 14:47 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:46 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I remember watching A MILLION Huxley commercials - how did the game do? Is anyone playing it? Is it even out?
It's not even out?!?!
EDIT: I'm dumb.
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On January 31 2009 14:44 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:43 Jaksiel wrote:
In possibly the least surprising move ever, the Stars indeed go with Free. No shit. Who else are they going to send... GGPlay? MVP? LOL.
There's nothing wrong with GGPlay, but it's against a T on Medusa.
(Also, they actually can't send MVP anymore...if I remember correctly he got demoted to B-team.)
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On January 31 2009 14:47 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:45 rushz0rz wrote:On January 31 2009 14:44 Disregard wrote:On January 31 2009 14:44 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Someone tell me who is the MBC player sitting on the leftmost chair (the farthest from the camera). 910? I don't think MBC would send him out, he just isn't good enough, especially to take down Free, if Free does win this set. I think you didn't read my post or inferred wrongly. That bubble fighter game looks fun lol.
Oh yeah, didn't even see the nested quote. My bad.
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On January 31 2009 14:46 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I remember watching A MILLION Huxley commercials - how did the game do? Is anyone playing it?
http://www.huxleygame.com/forum/
A quick google search brought me to these boards
Looks like it's only in beta stages?!
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Its been out in Korea for awhile, they canceled the NA port.
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I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out.
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Lol if units die from being "crushed" by landing builds that would be so imba.
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On January 31 2009 14:52 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out.
The question is whether those monsters can stand against both Free and GGPlay.
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wow can anyone help me get bubble fighter
i showed my friends the trailer they all want to play
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On January 31 2009 14:55 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:52 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out. The question is whether those monsters can stand against both Free and GGPlay.
Free, maybe, maybe not. GGPlay, yes they could, easily. GGPlay isn't that great right now.
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I think Light will either go for 2 fact, or thinking that free will think he will go 2 fact go some eco-heavy build.
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On January 31 2009 14:56 GTR-2-Go wrote:
wow can anyone help me get bubble fighter
i showed my friends the trailer they all want to play
Do you need SSN?
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INTRO PLAYED
Free vs Light STARTING!
Free is tan at 3 o'clock
LIight is red at 7 o'clock
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Light going for a wall-in at his main choke
Light mining out the minerals at his stacked temples
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Free with 12 nexus (?) at his min only
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Light mining with 1 SCV on gas
Free's core is going up
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On January 31 2009 14:56 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:55 Wala.Revolution wrote:On January 31 2009 14:52 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out. The question is whether those monsters can stand against both Free and GGPlay. Free, maybe, maybe not. GGPlay, yes they could, easily. GGPlay isn't that great right now.
I think Free is a favorite against any MBC player...
(Sea, Saint, etc)
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Light scouts the fast Nexus with his scouting SCV
Light's first fact is going up
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Free adding a 2nd gate
Light putting up a Machine Shop on his first fact
Light building a CC in his main to be lifted later
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Range upgrading for Free
Free trying to scout Light's main with a probe, but is being chased away by a lone marine
Goon out for Free, finally taking out the scouting SCV at his min only
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On January 31 2009 15:00 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 14:56 rushz0rz wrote:On January 31 2009 14:55 Wala.Revolution wrote:On January 31 2009 14:52 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out. The question is whether those monsters can stand against both Free and GGPlay. Free, maybe, maybe not. GGPlay, yes they could, easily. GGPlay isn't that great right now. I think Free is a favorite against any MBC player...
I dunno, Free is kind of inconsistent, off and on. I think if he wins the first game, he'll have the boost to finish it.
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Light with 1 tank out, taking out the scouting probe
Free moving into Light's nat with a zealot and goon, but luckily siege-mode just finished researching, forcing the goons back
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More goon reinforcements on the way
Light lifting his rax wall-in and the CC
WHOA FREE PUSHING RIGHT IN THERE, GOING FOR THE TANKS
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free sucks lol
ZEALOT!!!!! ZEALOT!!!!! ZEALOT!!!!!!!
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YES GO LIGHT! LIGHT LIGHT LOGHT!
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FREE TAKES OUT ALL BUT ONE TANK, AND LOSES ALL OF HIS GOONS
Observatory going up for Free, Free also pumping more goons
Light taking his min only now
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Light's min only is up
Free taking his nat now
Free moving out with a few more goons and a shuttle
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Hehe, looks like Light has made himself an opportunity to take the win for an upset.
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Free using the shuttle to elevator goons onto the cliff blocked by temples
Light discovers this with a random scouting SCV, and brings his tanks to defend it
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Reaver out, loaded up in the shuttle
Shuttle going for the min only
Free drops the reaver, and gets a wonderful dud scarab off
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On January 31 2009 15:02 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:00 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 14:56 rushz0rz wrote:On January 31 2009 14:55 Wala.Revolution wrote:On January 31 2009 14:52 rushz0rz wrote:
I dunno.. Free may be the only hope. MBC still has some monsters to send out. The question is whether those monsters can stand against both Free and GGPlay. Free, maybe, maybe not. GGPlay, yes they could, easily. GGPlay isn't that great right now. I think Free is a favorite against any MBC player... I dunno, Free is kind of inconsistent, off and on. I think if he wins the first game, he'll have the boost to finish it.
Why do you say that? He has been solid, especially in Proleague.
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Free taking a 4th at 1 o'clock
Free moving to the outside of Light's nat with goons and the shuttle with reaver
Reaver dropped in the nat, manages to take out 2 SCVs.
Shuttle is sniped by a few marines, Reaver now stranded in Light's nat
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free's doing an amazing job getting tanks and scarabs, breaks the wall, and T is reduced to only having 1 gas. free has 5 gates now
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FREE PRESSURING LIGHT'S NAT WALL WITH GOONS
SCVS GOING TO REPAIR IT
YAHHHH NICE SCARAB ON THE REPAIRING SCVS, TAKING OUT ABOUT 5-6
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Ugh, that attack was ill-advised.
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Light trying to rebuild his wall, but is quickly broken down again by soem goons
The goons are taken out shortly after by some fresh tank/vult
Templar ARchives up for Free, and Stargate going up as well!
Fast arbs!
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Was that a 9 kill vulture?
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Light lost about 8-10 scvs from Reaver.
Free losing some goons carelessly, but Free took 1.
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reaver gets taken out at lights nat, free wanters in again with dragoons, but i think that hes being too aggressive. (free is being two agressive
adding stargate, and another 2 gates to bring total up to 7
6 tanks for light
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Jesus Free is soooo aggressive, mustve been the energy drinks.
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Arbiter Tribunal going up for Free (in his min only)
Light mining up his min only
Light adding an Armory
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I think I just counted 7 factories for Light.
And, he's pushing.
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7 fact for light as well, and now free is trying to get arb tech and enough goons before the big push. light preparing for arb tech with spidermines, arbiter tribunal is almost done
light ist starting to push out
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Light pushing out with some tank/vult, just sieging up outside his nat
Arbiter Tribunal is done, Stargate is flashing
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light,'s going to have a hard time moving across the center of the map, and free is trying to show as strong of an army as possible so that light dosen't decide to move out.
light sneaks some vults out, and it's going to scout the fourth.
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Light trying to runby some vults to one of Free's bases, but quickly gets taken out by some nearby goons
Free's getting in position to engage the tank/vult with a lot of goons
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How to stupidly lose your units 101 - By Free[gm]
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Free is being way too aggressive. He's just throwing units away.
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Ok what was that suicide move by Free
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WHOA FREE MOVING IN ALREADY WITH ZEAL/GOON TOWARDS THE SIEGED TANKS OUTSIDE LIGHT'S NAT
Ouch, blue goo everywhere, Free forced to back off
Light continuing the push
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light has about a control of tanks now, unsieges, but then free tries to break the push. it's not going to be enough however, and fre e is going to be focred to back off. nice rax placement by light, as it's probably what allowed him to defend against that push so easily. second stargate being added for free
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Hmm, free making some questionable choices; I think Light can win taking this chance.
Arb may be out, but may take some time before it has enough energy.
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11 gates for free, did i count that right? i guess that's what you can do off of 4 base econ, but light has moved halfway across the map. Free needs to max quiclkly and be able to take down this ball, or else things are going to get ugly. I guess that he's waiting for his first arb, and now he decides to push without it
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Free just running his goons around, trying to defuse mines
Light attacking Free's 4th at 1 o'clock with a smal lamount of tank/vult
WHOA FREE NOW ATTACKING THE TANK/VULT SET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP
Lots of blue goo again, Free forced to back off again
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free might just be able to crush this push, but light barely manages to keep the middle of the mpa. free is going to have a really really fast regen rate though, and he needs to make sure that he keeps his fourth, which is right now being assaulted by 2 tanks
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lots of spider mines, looks like free dosen't have enough obs? wonder why. this first arb is really doing a good job for free and an amazing stasis catches about 7 tanks unable to fire.
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NOOOOOOOOOO STASIS FOR 5 TANKS!
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Is that SEVEN units in Stasis?!
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Arbiter out for Free
Free constantly pumping units from his gates
Free now pushing LIght back along the middle of the map
FREE MANAGES TO STASIS A FAIRLY LARGE CLUMP OF MECH UNITS
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Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.
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light is going to try to push to make sure that his 7 tank group dosen't get taken out, and free with no econ damage yet has his 11 gates pumping. Light needs to expand again soon if he wants hope of being able to keep up with this arb tech protoss, but I don't think that he's going to be able to
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science vessel out for light, but he's not goingt o have enough units to stop
light gg's
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Free surrounding the stasised units with goons
The stasised units get wrecked (as expected)
and Free is pushing into Light's nat with no resistance
Light GGs
Stars 3-2 MBC
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time for sea to win on 2 maps t is good on!
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Free's macro was so strong that game that it overcame his...questionable attacks.
(And yes, map imba etc. etc.)
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On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.
? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...
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Light tried his best - the game went back and forth, as each countered each other with expos and good defense/offense.
Light with a little more vults (if he slacked in macro) at mid would've won the game for him.
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On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.
good stasis, good pushbreak by free, and he delayed light enough in the middle of the map to allow his fourth base and arb tech to get running. You also forget his decent reaver, and his ability to break light's wall.
Light didn't play poorly, free played better.
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Imba Medusa.
Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over.
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gg,Free's macro was good but decision making...kinda strange
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On January 31 2009 15:15 Plutonium wrote:
Imba Medusa.
Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over.
I don't think it was the map, although it might have played a little bit of a part. I think free wins that game any day of the week.
is that sea being picked?
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On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does.
Free had at a disadvantage until his reaver killed about 8 scvs at nat and pressured there while he took 1.
SEA!
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Medusa...is a cruel woman.
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And it's Sea, who can't seem to win anything lately.
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Lets See if Sea can beat his Stork Jr.
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Free > Light
Medusa also > than Light
heehee.
윤영태!! 하이팅!!
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Wow that MBC coach with the smirk looks like a ggang-pae (Korean Gangster) lol.
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Oh the live reports pretty much read failed push break over and over, sorry .
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All I remember about Sea recently is him losing left and right haha
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On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases...
He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).
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I love that allkill graphic with arnold taking out people left and right. No wonder he's the governor of cali
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Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?
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Is the first game of Ro16 OSL Bisu vs Stork?
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On January 31 2009 15:18 OneOther wrote:
All I remember about Sea recently is him losing left and right haha
He molested go.go in the proleague like any superior player would, then decides to bend over in the osl..it was 1 fact fe vs 14cc but still...
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On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).
he did have a window, but the middle of medusa is really really tough. I'm guessing that he scouted the arb tech, and then was saving the scans so that he didn't see the really really low unit count until too late. Just a guess though, don't rip me apart too hard
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On January 31 2009 15:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:15 Plutonium wrote:
Imba Medusa.
Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over. I don't think it was the map, although it might have played a little bit of a part. I think free wins that game any day of the week. is that sea being picked?
it was mostly definitely the map
there is no way to efficiently defend shuttle play on a map with a perimeter that large, and a free double nexus and easy 4 bases doesnt exactly hurt.
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On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?
They are considering the game after - assuming that Sea beats Free.
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On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure).
Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.
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On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?
maybe because they don't think that saint will be able to win on sin chypung ryong (i misspelled that i'm sure )
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On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?
look at the next map
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On January 31 2009 15:19 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is the first game of Ro16 OSL Bisu vs Stork?
Indeed.
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On January 31 2009 15:20 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 Plutonium wrote:
Imba Medusa.
Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over. I don't think it was the map, although it might have played a little bit of a part. I think free wins that game any day of the week. is that sea being picked? it was mostly definitely the map there is no way to efficiently defend shuttle play on a map with a perimeter that large, and a free double nexus and easy 4 bases doesnt exactly hurt.
I guess being greedy and taking two expos super fast like that doesn't help?
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On January 31 2009 15:19 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure). he did have a window, but the middle of medusa is really really tough. I'm guessing that he scouted the arb tech, and then was saving the scans so that he didn't see the really really low unit count until too late. Just a guess though, don't rip me apart too hard
Yea medusa is a hard map to play TvP on, but at least in my opinion he should have gone straight for his nat and pressure him like hell. The terrain is really a bottleneck at the nat's so it would have been really good for light :\ Then he could have proceeded to hammer Free's gateway field eventually. The arbs were a threat though but he did have scan I think right? and you need an army to make arbs effective
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On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure). Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.
Yeah the four bases especially
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On January 31 2009 15:19 Pioneer wrote:
Why would the send Sea on Andromeda vs a P when they have Saint who already demolished Free there, would be playing on a favored ZvP map instead of putting Sea on a favored PvT map?
Because...if Sea wins, he'll probably face GGplay on Chupung-Ryeong, which gives a waaay better chance than Saint vs GGplay. The coach decided that Sea was more safe vs Free/GGplay than Saint would have been. And I agree, ZvZ is a volatile MU and Saint isn't a ZvZ specialist.
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Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%
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I really hope Sea wins this match, seeing him versus GGPlay sounds so good, something between those players just .. I don't even know what, but it just feels so awesome.
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On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure). Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases.
Those attacks were blunders, but his macro with 4th base made up for it.
Game went back and forth a lot of times.
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On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%
From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.
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On January 31 2009 15:24 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:20 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:18 ColdLava wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:14 Camlito wrote:
Free will probably win like every protoss that's behind randomly does. ? Free got ahead by a lot after the harass + securing four bases... He didn't get ahead from those attacks that were ridiculous. He got ahead because of Free's REALLY good macro (and securing those bases), and Light completely missed his timing window (WHY DIDNT HE COUNTER ASAP after free wasted his whole army on that push :| That was such a good opportunity to pressure). Yeah, some of those attacks were definitely questionable. I think you misunderstood my post though. I meant Free gained a significant advantage after applying pressure/getting SCV kills while securing four bases. Those attacks were blunders, but his macro with 4th base made up for it. Game went back and forth a lot of times.
Well I think Free was comfortably ahead throughout most of the game, then he decided to do a stupid attack and gave Light a window of opportunity
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On January 31 2009 15:25 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73% From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.
71.7% Just do the math yourselves, lazy
included today's game.
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On January 31 2009 15:25 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73% From commentators I heard 3/4 but I think they rounded.
katrina at 73.5, medusa at 71.5
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what's wrong with free's computer, and why haven't they started yet *asks the person who dosen't know korean, and all he sees is the tech looking like guy in free's booth*
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Free threw away tons and tons of units early on - but because of Medusa, Light had to defend at way too many locations at once.
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Hana, dool, set! Yeom Bo Sung Hwaiting!
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What's up with Sea. did he run like a mile before getting in the booth? He's sweatin' big.
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INTRO PLAYED
Free vs Sea STARTING!
Free is white at 7 o'clock
Sea is orange at 5 o'clock
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Okay, here we go, with free at the bottom left, and sea at the bottom right
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Free white at 7, Sea yellow at 5.
Sea Fighting!
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Is that sweat on Sea's face or is it just the [poor] lighting?
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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gah mbc needs to play less of it's zergs and play pusan more.
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On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73%
Medusa without flash:
30-7 PvT (81.1%)
Katrina without flash:
24-3 PvT (89%)
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Heyy Sea just do what you have been doing lately!
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The Thunder Emeperor - free's nickname.
Hmm, what's a better translation of it?
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On January 31 2009 15:29 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73% Medusa without flash: 30-7 PvT (81.1%) Katrina without flash: 24-3 PvT (89%)
lol, it's almost as funny as blue storm without jaedong (it starts to lose the Z imba look)
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Sea going for a wall-in
Free with fast Nexus at his min only?!
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On January 31 2009 15:29 OneOther wrote:
Heyy Sea just do what you have been doing lately!
lose? 
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On January 31 2009 15:30 deathgod6 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:29 OneOther wrote:
Heyy Sea just do what you have been doing lately! lose?
Yeah ;P
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fast nex, i guess he managed to defend it last time. He scouts the middle first, and sea is looking the wrong way
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Free scouting cross with his first scouting probe
Sea scouting the wrong way with his scouting SCV, but they high-five at the top-right main
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On January 31 2009 15:29 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is that sweat on Sea's face or is it just the [poor] lighting?
He's keeping in shape with a routine workout.
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Free now scouting in the correct direction, right to Sea's main
Core going up for Free
Probes being transferred to Free's min only
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free is going to scout the wall in for sea second, and sea only has 1 scv on gas, which either means a heavy fd or a fast fast cc. I didn't see the marine count ><;;
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Man, here's hope that Sea can do some ridiculous harassment.
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1 marine for sea, this is going to be pretty tough for sea to win this game.
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2nd gate going up for Free
Sea building a CC at his min only
Range upgrading for Free
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DT DROPPPPPP
dt drop-> fast third base -> fast arb.
perfect ;D
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This reminds me of Much vs Light, on the same map and positions.
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Citadel and Robo going up for free
Free's 3 goons chilling at the nat choke
Free taking his nat now
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cidatel going up for free, looks like a dt rush after a 14 nex? first goon for free is actually showing off some pretty cool micro, as it snipes the first mine all on it's own. robo and ciditel at the same time, meaning dt drop after 1 obs out of the robo
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omg DT drop incoming for Free?!
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Templar Archives going up for Free
Sea also taking his nat
Armory going up for Sea
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2 dt, 2 zeals looks like, and there arn't any turrets up for sea just yet, although ebay is done
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Looks like Free is going to load this shuttle up with 2 zealots and 2 DT
Sea has a floated rax in the bottom of the map, ready to spot it
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watching the fpvod of free is pretty cool, although not as cool as watching bisu or nada (fast fast fast for both of them)
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Shuttle is spotted by the rax
Sea already has turrets set up, but the shuttle is still going in there
Zealots dropped to defuse mines in the main, then both Dts dropped to take out some SCVs
Free forcing Sea to waste scans
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floated rax spots it, and mines/turrets attempting to go up where for sea. dt gets 3 scv's and then pickd up after comsat scan
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On January 31 2009 15:29 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:23 MrHoon wrote:
Does medusa have a higher PvT win rate than katrina now?
Last I checked, Medusa was 72.5% and Katrina was 73% Medusa without flash: 30-7 PvT (81.1%) Katrina without flash: 24-3 PvT (89%)
LOL thanks vivi, that makes me a happy flash fan
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dt trying to snipe armory, both scans have already been used. free runs with the two dt, away from the goliath.
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Free unable to do much with his DT drop, because of the nearby siege tanks and 3 comsats
Sci Facility going up for Sea
2nd fact going up for Sea
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Daum Sports is fucking me over tonight T____T
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Sea looks like hes stoned.
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sea has control tower and sci facility going up, I guess he's going for a drop and as fast 3/3 upgrades as he can get. 8 gates and arb tech going up for free
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Stargate is up, Arbiter Tribunal started
Free defusing mines outside of his nat
Control Tower up on the Starport
Free taking a 4th at 9 o'clock
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On January 31 2009 15:37 jwd241224 wrote:
Daum Sports is fucking me over tonight T____T
way easier than trying to find the streams for the msl's. Those are just about impossible >.>
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free starts building a pylon at the entrance to 9, I guess he's looking to expand and get a third gas just as his arb starts
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nice timing on that gate, he prevents his probe being sniped at his third. I guess he learned his lesson from playing leta on collessum 2 (that game was epic)
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Free breaking down the Power Generators on his nat cliff
Free walls off his 9 o'clock just in time with a gateway, preventing 3 vults from raiding it
5 facts for Sea, 3 building
Dship also out for Sea, dropping an SCV at the 12 o'clock island
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turrets are up everywhere already for sea, and free spots the dropship heading towards 12. Sea is going to take the expansion at 12 with 1 scv.
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7 gate for free, not 8, sorry, as a second stargate is building for free. fourth cc is building for sea, I guess he's planning on floating it over to 3 and double expanding, as there's no way he's floating it across the whole map and planning on landing it at either 12 or 1
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Another CC started at Sea's min only
Sea has mines on the top-left expos
Sea building a CC at the 12 o'clock island
Sea lifting his new CC (from his min only) to 3 o'clock
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On January 31 2009 15:37 jwd241224 wrote:
Daum Sports is fucking me over tonight T____T
Nevermind, finally found one!!! Only took about 20 refreshes
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Free's macroing a flood of zealots, moving out across the map...
Sea tries some vult harass in free's nat, stopped by cannons.
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first arb is now out for free, and that's a really really zeal heavy army for free.
free is going to scout the attempted expansion at 3 from sea, and sea is going to push out right as free moves out from his nat. there must have been a good lucky comsat from sea that we didn't get to se
sea is forced to lift his cc from 3, as free's whole army is there now. free also manages to snipe the cc, sea is in trouble
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Free moving out with a large amount of zealots and a few goons to the new 3 o'clock expo
The CC is lifted almost as soon as it landed, and is actually picked off by Free's goons
Arb out for Free
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FREE MOVING IN
ZEALOTS EVAPORATING
TANKS DOING SIMILARLY
Free pulls out and calls it even.
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United States12607 Posts
Man, Sea is really struggling lately...
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sea is slowpushing to his third, which works pretty well. free now also has the base at 11, and free is macroing off of 7 gate still? he must have must maexed, as he runs into sea's spread out army with 1a2a3a4a, and then backs off after not allowing sea to slowpush to his third. sea still has his island expansion at 12 though
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Free moving in, trying to attack Sea's set up outside of his nat
Free gets a stasis off on 2 tanks, but is forced away
Free trying to take the top-left expos, but the mines are in the way
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Sea is getting ready for a recall, setting up a large amount of turrets and mines at his main
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emp is researching for sea, and free is maxed and expanding again, basically waiting for sea to decide to push out.
Someone needs to tell sea that he's not flash, and his 3/3 push isn't going to end up working as well lol
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Free moving into Sea's tanks at the nat again
Free getting some nice storms off on the tank/vult
Free now heading back a little bit and taking out the 3 o'clock expo
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Free pushes the nat choke again, storm and stasis everywhere, Sea's units collapse.
Free takes the 3 oclock.
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free is playing ruthlessly right now! Any time Sea gets close to claiming that 3:00 expo, free rushes in with a massive army and retains map control.
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psistorms go off, and sea is for some reason only at 2/1 if i can read correctly. sea's fourth island expansion is going to get sniped again by about 10 goons, and free must be really low on unit count, as i don't see that many units running around the map.
free is triple expanding, both at the 11 base and also at the 1 base.
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Free taking 3 bases at the top-left, and 1 base at the top-right
Free's 2 stargates are still flashing
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Wait hold on...does free not know Sea has 12:00? lol!
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Free expanding like crazy.
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Free's army just chilling out along the top-right of the map
Top-right expo is raided by vults, taking out all the probes there
Free sending some goons and arbs to defend it
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free has about 4 mining bases, and with his triple expand he's planning on going up to 7 bases, probably with 4 still mining.
sea scouts the 1 oclock expansion, and free is basically slowly building up arbs.
free tries to drop 4 zeals on the 12 expansion, but he's going to be unsuccessful, as about 5 turrets at 12 are going to manage to take it down.
free is forced to move his army to 1 to defend, which allows esea to finally take the 3 expansion
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On January 31 2009 15:45 jwd241224 wrote:
Wait hold on...does free not know Sea has 12:00? lol!
he does, he just dropped it...
with one zealot.
one zealot with about 2 hp and full shields. Which lost to a mob of scared SCVs.
Free drops the 12 again, disables it.
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Free getting in position to recall the 12 o'clock island expo
Free recalls 4 zealots and 1 goon in the 12 o'clock island, taking out a bunch of probes
Sea moving out with tank/vult/gol, 3/3 upgrades
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Wow, where'd all those tanks come from?
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United States12607 Posts
Sea begins to move up the right side of the map but.....holy fuck that is a lot of Stasis.
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arb recall, but for some reason he only chooses to recall 3 zeals and dragoon. I think he's going to be able to take out the base with that, and he must have had a ton of energy by then anyway
sea moves out with his force, trying to push towards 1 to make sure free can't take it. The next 5 minutes of the game depends on this, and free just stasised about 40 supply of units
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those stasis's are amazing, he actually got like 1.5 controls of tanks
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STASIS EVERYWHERE
Majority of Sea's tanks are stasis'd. Free trades his remaining army for Sea's remainders, gets his arbs EMP'd. Free pulls out.
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How much mineral do you guys think Free has lol
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and now free is mining from his orignal nat, his main, the main at 1, and the main, nat and 3rd at 11.
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WHOAAA FREE GETTING SOME INSANE STASIS OFF ON SEA'S TANKS
WHOAAA SEA GETTING SOME INSANE EMPS OFF ON FREE'S ARBS
Free doesn't really move in after getting the stasis, instead he falls back and tries to reinforce his army
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Free has so many expansions.
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Sea's hope's is either Free making a blunder or finishing map until resources are mined out.
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Free might be maxed out on nearly all probes.
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On January 31 2009 15:48 OneOther wrote:
How much mineral do you guys think Free has lol
he's probably thinking about killing off probes just to get more supply to defend against the push. He's also choosing to go with a lower arb count, again, to try to prevent what happened in him v leta
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this is so sad..
going to be another year of Protoss.
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United States12607 Posts
Sea really needs to work on getting off some good EMPs, right now he can't do anything due to Stasis.
However, Sea has solidified control of 3:00. They're now battling over the top right expos, where free has expanded but doesn't have many probes yet.
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Free attacking the tank/vult again with zeal/goon + arbs, stasising the tanks again
Free given a lot of room to keep attacking, looks like he's going right for the 3 o'clock expo again
Sea prevents free from attacking 3 o'clock by sieging some tanks outside
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alright, and more stasis goes off, but not as good this time, as free only manages to get about 8 tanks in 3 different stasis. Free is looking to take out sea's third, but he is unsuccessful.
sea is still in this game, but he's hanging on barely.
does anyone know what the 12 expansion looks like?
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Sea's hope is SC crashing and the KeSPA guys deciding on a regame.
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free is basically rallying units wherever he wants them to fight, and he has enough gates and expansions so that he can probably just keep overrunning seas production.
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A lot of blue goo, but those stasis is raping SEA.
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On January 31 2009 15:49 SonuvBob wrote:
Sea's hope is SC crashing and the KeSPA guys deciding on a regame.
Hahaha BOB! <3
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On January 31 2009 15:49 SonuvBob wrote:
Sea's hope is SC crashing and the KeSPA guys deciding on a regame.
Or having free get up, strech for 3 minutes, and then come back and decide to not macro. Actually, even that might not win it for him >>>
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Sea desperately trying to get another base up, trying to take the min only in the top-right
Free continuing to pump out a huge amount of zealot/goon
Free attacking Sea's army at the right-side of the map again, stasising the tanks again
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United States17042 Posts
actually, sea looks like he's going to be able to defend the 1 main if he plays his cards right, which could make this game last for longer. I would be really curious to see what the supply numbers look like right now (as well as the min/gas numbers)
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Sea trying to take the top-right main now, even though it's in range of an Assimilator -_-
Free attacking Sea's army again, continuring the attack, taking out a lot of Sea's mech
Free attacking the 3 o'clock with his goons, CC is forced to lift off
Free splitting his army and attacking the top-right expos
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United States17042 Posts
sea's macro is much much better than free's, but i don't think that's going to help sea very much.
I don't think sea's upgrades are even full, can anyone see that?
free runs in to the 3 expansion, forces sea to lift. It all comes down to if sea can hold the main+nat+expansion of 1, but it dosen't look good
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free psistorms 1 tank, and sea is going to need to gg pretty soon, as he has no chance of winning this game with 0 mining bases >.
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You know you're in bad shape when your opponent Psi Storms a single tank.
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On January 31 2009 15:50 Realpenguin wrote:
Sea desperately trying to get another base up, trying to take the min only in the top-right
Free continuing to pump out a huge amount of zealot/goon
Free attacking Sea's army at the right-side of the map again, stasising the tanks again
Do you play TF2? Avatar of Mantoss? oO
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this is sad, what happend with Sea.
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On January 31 2009 15:52 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
sea's macro is much much better than free's, but i don't think that's going to help sea very much.
I don't think sea's upgrades are even full, can anyone see that?
free runs in to the 3 expansion, forces sea to lift. It all comes down to if sea can hold the main+nat+expansion of 1, but it dosen't look good
what? why is sea's macro much better than free's wtf haha :o
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Free breaking into the 1 o'clock nat, taking out the nat CC
Zealot/goon now moving up the ramp, right for the 1 o'clock main
All CC's in the top-right have either been destroyed or lifted
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And sea gg's after losing the nat at 1...I hope...wtf is he doing. free is pumping more arbs, and more units, but I don't think it even matters. Free is now aloso attacking into sea's main, becuase he just has enough units to be able to atk move at 3, 1 and 5 at the same time
sea gg's
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Yeah free!
That ending was pretty awesome to watch, where he basically simultaneously shut down all the expos.
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That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that.
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On January 31 2009 15:53 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:52 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
sea's macro is much much better than free's, but i don't think that's going to help sea very much.
I don't think sea's upgrades are even full, can anyone see that?
free runs in to the 3 expansion, forces sea to lift. It all comes down to if sea can hold the main+nat+expansion of 1, but it dosen't look good what? why is sea's macro much better than free's wtf haha :o
lower mins, etc. I'm using the smallest definition of macro possible, which is keeping your min count low, and your facts operational at all times. Sea was doing that better than free, but that's 'cuase free was maxed and sitting around waiting for sea to do something
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On January 31 2009 15:54 Ancestral wrote:
That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that.
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On January 31 2009 15:54 Ancestral wrote:
That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that.
always believe in nada
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By the way, I'm laughing at the comment that Sea's macro was much better than Free's. Free's macro is very very good and he never seems to get credit for it.
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Impressive play from free. What a game!
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On January 31 2009 15:54 Ancestral wrote:
That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that.
Flash sort of handled it, till Free gone stupid.
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go free! just brutal play there, great multitasking all game
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On January 31 2009 15:54 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:53 OneOther wrote:On January 31 2009 15:52 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
sea's macro is much much better than free's, but i don't think that's going to help sea very much.
I don't think sea's upgrades are even full, can anyone see that?
free runs in to the 3 expansion, forces sea to lift. It all comes down to if sea can hold the main+nat+expansion of 1, but it dosen't look good what? why is sea's macro much better than free's wtf haha :o lower mins, etc. I'm using the smallest definition of macro possible, which is keeping your min count low, and your facts operational at all times. Sea was doing that better than free, but that's 'cuase free was maxed and sitting around waiting for sea to do something
ahh okay, because all I saw was free running over sea around the map. makes sense now, thanks for clarifying.
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On January 31 2009 15:54 Jaksiel wrote:
By the way, I'm laughing at the comment that Sea's macro was much better than Free's. Free's macro is very very good and he never seems to get credit for it.
All protosses macro is really really really good these days. The thing that differentiates free this time is that his decisionmaking (taking out 3, expanding, when to defend, how to keep up, etc) was basically perfect.
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Id say L'Enfant is in a terible slump BUT HE ALWAYS LOSES TO FREE ANYWAYS. Ah well that was quite painful to watch.
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On January 31 2009 15:21 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:20 IdrA wrote:On January 31 2009 15:16 GHOSTCLAW wrote:On January 31 2009 15:15 Plutonium wrote:
Imba Medusa.
Even though Light defended spectacularly, the huge amount of pressure Free was able to put on him allowed him to run him over. I don't think it was the map, although it might have played a little bit of a part. I think free wins that game any day of the week. is that sea being picked? it was mostly definitely the map there is no way to efficiently defend shuttle play on a map with a perimeter that large, and a free double nexus and easy 4 bases doesnt exactly hurt. I guess being greedy and taking two expos super fast like that doesn't help?
got a better counter to double nex?
ya if you play more conservative you wont take as much damage from reaver harass, but you'll get your third as their fourth finishes and arbiters are on the way. gl with that.
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Why does it seem like free's arbiters have "the gathering" on?
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On January 31 2009 15:54 Jaksiel wrote:
By the way, I'm laughing at the comment that Sea's macro was much better than Free's. Free's macro is very very good and he never seems to get credit for it.
It probably depends on your definition of macro. Yeah, he got a lot of units out, but he was on 8 bases. He probably could've ended the game a lot sooner with the potential of units he could've churned out.
That seems like standard fare with Free against Terrans. He expands like crazy, which is sometimes good (like today), but often seems to backfire.
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if only Sea had EMP ealier
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LOL when i see free i always remember "thunder" a pokemon move that deals a shitload of damage with 70% accuracy. Funny enough koreans call him thunder.
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On January 31 2009 15:55 anch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:54 Ancestral wrote:
That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that. Flash sort of handled it, till Free gone stupid.
no, Flash handled it after Free went into stupid-mode.
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Free and Zero awesome show great job!
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On January 31 2009 15:58 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:54 Jaksiel wrote:
By the way, I'm laughing at the comment that Sea's macro was much better than Free's. Free's macro is very very good and he never seems to get credit for it. It probably depends on your definition of macro. Yeah, he got a lot of units out, but he was on 8 bases. He probably could've ended the game a lot sooner with the potential of units he could've churned out. That seems like standard fare with Free against Terrans. He expands like crazy, which is sometimes good (like today), but often seems to backfire.
against fantasy or leta (someone with really good vulture harass/control) free gets worked by vult harass, because 12 vult > 2 cannons, and then free is running with 5 nex and about 3 probes at 2 of his nex because of the harass. Sea doesn't have that ability.
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On January 31 2009 15:59 malongo wrote:
LOL when i see free i always remember "thunder" a pokemon move that deals a shitload of damage with 70% accuracy. Funny enough koreans call him thunder.
Yeah, I saw on a Japanese fansite the other day that free's nickname is apparently "Thunder Emperor," which surprised me because I had never heard him called that here. After that Medusa game especially it's pretty clear how he got it.
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MrHoon
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Free was always known to be average at everything else, except when he goes into a battle he micros/macros/manages his units like no other player with great Storm targeting
edit: Japanese fansite? wat
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On January 31 2009 16:13 MrHoon wrote:
Free was always known to be average at everything else, except when he goes into a battle he micros/macros/manages his units like no other player with great Storm targeting
edit: Japanese fansite? wat
mrhoon did i ever tell you i love you simply because you pay attention to what happens in a game
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On January 31 2009 16:13 MrHoon wrote:
edit: Japanese fansite? wat
Here. I found it while searching for something unrelated. I haven't spent too much time there but it looks like they have a lot of the same frontpage news as TL but a much less active community.
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On January 31 2009 16:24 MrHoon wrote:I can never tell if Idra or FS is being sarcastic or not its so confusing
huh? i'm not really sarcastic much
if anything i'm causticly blunt
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On January 31 2009 16:00 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2009 15:55 anch wrote:On January 31 2009 15:54 Ancestral wrote:
That was stupid. I don't think any Terran in history or the future could have won that. Flash sort of handled it, till Free gone stupid. no, Flash handled it after Free went into stupid-mode.
Alright, I don't have the power of A+ strategical insight, but Free's haphazard tech switch to Carriers and seemingly imprecise arbiter usage in that game made him look much shakier than he did in this game.
I think the only thing Sea could have done significantly better on is his EMP usage, because Free was so relentless in stasising every single tank cluster ever. And I think that kind of just shows the limit of Sea's multitasking, I guess if he HAD EMPed the Arbiters perfectly, it would have been perhaps the most awesome showcase of vessel vs Arb usage ever (Flash did a really good job vs. Jangbi in Proleague).
But I would definitely say Free showed that he has PvT on Andromeda down to an exact science now, especially since his early harass wasn't as damaging as it could have been.
Not to discredit Free for his incredible play, he is quite monstrous these days.
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First Hyun, then Sea and the glorious MBC team down at the end.
fuck
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fuck,
Winnersleague = bulllshit
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hehehehe i love you free~
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On January 31 2009 16:22 gngfn wrote:Here. I found it while searching for something unrelated. I haven't spent too much time there but it looks like they have a lot of the same frontpage news as TL but a much less active community.
holy shit WAT?
I didn't know people in Japan followed progaming...
Thanks for the link, it's an eye-opener
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IMO no t in the world can touch free right now.. MAYBE FlaSh, but that's it. Amazing play from free from those 2 games.
oh and I think MBC needs to stop throwing zergs out there.. what about a Ruby - Sea - Light - Pusan line, who's gonna beat that?
edit : I just looked at ruby's recent record.. is this guy in a major slump or something? =\
3 wins in the last 14 games..
Maybe they don't have a great 4th player then.
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Sixth loss in a row for Sea? Ouch...
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