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On December 31 2008 16:51 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote:
How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group If you are talking about the one JD killed 4 Sci Vessels in 5 seconds.Those scourges were not cloned. Predicting where the Sci Vessels would be, JD moved his scourges there. Scourges moved with the Sci Vessels, and JD A-clicked.
maybe i saw it wrong but when u A-click scourges, they dont automatically separate into pairs of twos and kill all the vessels in a group almost simultaneously
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On December 31 2008 16:53 .risingdragoon wrote:
if hwasin had saved his 3rd jaedong would've lost
JD was running out of time by that point going 3:3 base
but it didn't look like hwasin had full bunks at his 3rd and didn't scan
It was too close to call at that point. It would've been 1 base, 1.5 gas vs 3base zerg since zergs mine more slowly with less drones. The real tipping factor is that JD kept beating Hwasin's army to prevent a giganto ball-o-death. And scourges.
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On December 31 2008 16:55 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:51 nosliw wrote:On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote:
How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group If you are talking about the one JD killed 4 Sci Vessels in 5 seconds.Those scourges were not cloned. Predicting where the Sci Vessels would be, JD moved his scourges there. Scourges moved with the Sci Vessels, and JD A-clicked. maybe i saw it wrong but when u A-click scourges, they dont automatically separate into pairs of twos and kill all the vessels in a group almost simultaneously
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On December 31 2008 16:53 AttackZerg wrote:
Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong!
Yep, completely agree.
Also, hwasin's choice of leaving JD's third base alone was very questionable...
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I think it is the second time Hwasin both lost his first match and ace match. I do not think STX coach will send him again to ace match if he looses the first match.
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On December 31 2008 16:57 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:53 AttackZerg wrote:
Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong! Yep, completely agree. Also, hwasin's choice of leaving JD's third base alone was very questionable...
He didn't leave it alone lol. He constantly sent pathetic groups of 8 marines/fbats and 3-4 medics to die to the sunkens/lings.
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On December 31 2008 16:57 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:53 AttackZerg wrote:
Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong! Yep, completely agree. Also, hwasin's choice of leaving JD's third base alone was very questionable...
Hwasin actually sent a group of 12 marines and 3 medics to attack it but jaedong surrounded it with lings just as it was in a narrow passage
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On December 31 2008 16:52 hacpee wrote:
The game wasn't even at all. Hwasin carelessly lost too many science vessels, and his attempts at harrassing the 3rd were pathetic. Heck, he built so many tanks, yet he couldn't spare one to siege the 3rd's cliff. No drops in the main, no harrasses on the natural, he only took out a few stray hatches that jaedong didn't care for.
Okay, I'm going to make one last attempt at this.
First of all, if you think Hwasin could lose simply due to the amount of vessels Jaedong sniped, go watch Jaedong's most recent game vs Sea and count how many vessels Sea loses.
Now, Hwasin was already behind and had little chance at taking out Jaedong's third once that nydus came up. What Hwasin did do, however, was stop Jaedong's attempts at a fourth for as long as possible, causing the game to continue to be groups of smaller fights rather than huge ones wherein his units would be too clumped up to avoid ensnare + swarm absolutely owning him.
It was Hwasin's forcing the game into those small skirmishes, plus his attempt to take advantage of the fact that a lot of the expansions on the map would be hard to control for Jaedong. Where that plan fell apart was in his failure to place a turret at or to scan his third base when the bunker was under attack. That, combined with the fact he failed to eventually stop Jaedong's expanding to a fourth base, and the mass vessel snipe, put him too far behind to come back.
There you go. Can we put it to rest now and admit it was an amazing game?
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On December 31 2008 16:58 abakben wrote:
I think it is the second time Hwasin both lost his first match and ace match. I do not think STX coach will send him again to ace match if he looses the first match.
who else then? zergs would get ripped by JD or forgg. kal would of been nice but some1 posted that stats favor t and forgg is hella good TvP.
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On December 31 2008 16:57 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:53 AttackZerg wrote:
Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong! Yep, completely agree. Also, hwasin's choice of leaving JD's third base alone was very questionable...
very good point, if hwasin went for jd's third after raping the guardians, this game might have turned out very differently
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On December 31 2008 16:47 skronch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. self ownage
On December 31 2008 16:47 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. back at you 
Same style as the commandments... if you bothered reading it...
- DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN ALL CAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO TREAT YOU LIKE ONE AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote:
How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group
Some people simply don't want to admit JD's amazing play. In their eyes all his victory is due to opponents' stupid mistakes.
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Seriously, Jaedong landed almost all of his scourge that game (and most of his games in general).
...how does that even happen.
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On December 31 2008 17:00 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:47 skronch wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. self ownage Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:47 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. back at you Same style as the commandments... if you bothered reading it... - DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN ALL CAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO TREAT YOU LIKE ONE AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Thing is though that was written for humor however yours simply made you look like an ass.
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On December 31 2008 17:00 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:52 hacpee wrote:
The game wasn't even at all. Hwasin carelessly lost too many science vessels, and his attempts at harrassing the 3rd were pathetic. Heck, he built so many tanks, yet he couldn't spare one to siege the 3rd's cliff. No drops in the main, no harrasses on the natural, he only took out a few stray hatches that jaedong didn't care for. Okay, I'm going to make one last attempt at this. First of all, if you think Hwasin could lose simply due to the amount of vessels Jaedong sniped, go watch Jaedong's most recent game vs Sea and count how many vessels Sea loses. Now, Hwasin was already behind and had little chance at taking out Jaedong's third once that nydus came up. What Hwasin did do, however, was stop Jaedong's attempts at a fourth for as long as possible, causing the game to continue to be groups of smaller fights rather than huge ones wherein his units would be too clumped up to avoid ensnare + swarm absolutely owning him. It was Hwasin's forcing the game into those small skirmishes, plus his attempt to take advantage of the fact that a lot of the expansions on the map would be hard to control for Jaedong. Where that plan fell apart was in his failure to place a turret at or to scan his third base when the bunker was under attack. That, combined with the fact he failed to eventually stop Jaedong's expanding to a fourth base, and the mass vessel snipe, put him too far behind to come back. There you go. Can we put it to rest now and admit it was an amazing game?
Are you serious? He started failing once his first vessel/tank push went for the natural instead of the 3rd. Hwasin constantly sent useless groups of mm/firebats to the 3rd to die for no reason. The only thing he did at all was prevent 2 expos from forming. Thats it. Plus, hwasin's own 3rd was horribly late. He was at an eco disadvantage the whole game,and by the time hwasin actually took his 3rd, he let jaedong mass enough troops to effortlessly take it. Jaedong almost botched it though when he didn't bring a defiler with him.
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On December 31 2008 16:56 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:53 .risingdragoon wrote:
if hwasin had saved his 3rd jaedong would've lost
JD was running out of time by that point going 3:3 base
but it didn't look like hwasin had full bunks at his 3rd and didn't scan It was too close to call at that point. It would've been 1 base, 1.5 gas vs 3base zerg since zergs mine more slowly with less drones. The real tipping factor is that JD kept beating Hwasin's army to prevent a giganto ball-o-death. And scourges.
it was close, and hwasin stayed 2base and poured on the pressure for the longest time
I still say he'd have kept the initiative on his side and his macro
I will review this game with the vod
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On December 31 2008 17:03 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 17:00 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:47 skronch wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. self ownage On December 31 2008 16:47 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:45 d(O.o)a wrote:On December 31 2008 16:43 abakben wrote:On December 31 2008 16:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 GhostKorean wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm GAME OF THE YEAR MATERIAL? On December 30 luls
Agree/Disagree Jaedong didn't revolutionize anything? Best use of queens (and the fantasy game too). July/hyvaa doesn't even come close. No one can say that Hwasin sucked and JD should've rolled him, that was a superb TvZ, what a way to round of the year. I can say that Hwasin sucked with Science vessel usage entire game. NEWS FLASH IT IS HARD TO MAKE USE OF UNITS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY BEING KILLED BY SCOURGE, HE USED ALL OF THERE ENERGY IRRADIATING DEFILERS AND LURKERS AS WELL AS DMATRIXING HIS MARINES AND TANKS NEWS FLASH, YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD FOR USING ALL CAPS. back at you Same style as the commandments... if you bothered reading it... - DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN ALL CAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO TREAT YOU LIKE ONE AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Thing is though that was written for humor however yours simply made you look like an ass.
Sorry, what I meant to say was:
DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN ALL CAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC
Happy?
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On December 31 2008 17:07 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 17:00 QibingZero wrote:On December 31 2008 16:52 hacpee wrote:
The game wasn't even at all. Hwasin carelessly lost too many science vessels, and his attempts at harrassing the 3rd were pathetic. Heck, he built so many tanks, yet he couldn't spare one to siege the 3rd's cliff. No drops in the main, no harrasses on the natural, he only took out a few stray hatches that jaedong didn't care for. Okay, I'm going to make one last attempt at this. First of all, if you think Hwasin could lose simply due to the amount of vessels Jaedong sniped, go watch Jaedong's most recent game vs Sea and count how many vessels Sea loses. Now, Hwasin was already behind and had little chance at taking out Jaedong's third once that nydus came up. What Hwasin did do, however, was stop Jaedong's attempts at a fourth for as long as possible, causing the game to continue to be groups of smaller fights rather than huge ones wherein his units would be too clumped up to avoid ensnare + swarm absolutely owning him. It was Hwasin's forcing the game into those small skirmishes, plus his attempt to take advantage of the fact that a lot of the expansions on the map would be hard to control for Jaedong. Where that plan fell apart was in his failure to place a turret at or to scan his third base when the bunker was under attack. That, combined with the fact he failed to eventually stop Jaedong's expanding to a fourth base, and the mass vessel snipe, put him too far behind to come back. There you go. Can we put it to rest now and admit it was an amazing game? Are you serious? He started failing once his first vessel/tank push went for the natural instead of the 3rd. Hwasin constantly sent useless groups of mm/firebats to the 3rd to die for no reason. The only thing he did at all was prevent 2 expos from forming. Thats it. Plus, hwasin's own 3rd was horribly late. He was at an eco disadvantage the whole game,and by the time hwasin actually took his 3rd, he let jaedong mass enough troops to effortlessly take it. Jaedong almost botched it though when he didn't bring a defiler with him.
Okay,
1) Both fantasy and he went for the natural instead of the third, hmmm, maybe it's better that way?
2) 2 base terran vs 3 base zerg is not an 'eco disadvantage'
3) Jaedong went for Hwasin's third after he killed his army, though the no scanning made a difference, but it wouldn't have mattered because Hwasin still didn't have an army when his 3rd was under attack.
Hwasin played well, he made a few mistakes that cost him the game. But JD played really well at crucial times to keep himself in it long enough for Hwasin to slip up a bit.
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anyway jaedong's just something
keep playing to the ace set cus they're just so damn good
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