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On December 31 2008 16:48 DoX.) wrote: How 'bout at the end where JD lost 3 lurks, 2 hydras,1 defiler and 4 scourges to 12 marines :D Haha I was thinking '300' right there. Like hero marines holding the center till the last moments, then it was down to like 4 and they were still holding.
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On December 31 2008 16:48 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:41 Cambium wrote:On December 31 2008 16:39 TranceStorm wrote: Hwasin got outplayed the entire game On December 31 2008 16:39 Nitan wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 Cambium wrote: so close hwasin almost had it There's always a chance that Jaedong may have a heart attack or a stroke. Aside from that, Hwasin was screwed. I don't know wtf you guys are talking about. I'd say it was dead even the entire game. It was tipped towards Hwasin when the guardians did absolutely no damage and got ass-raped. Following that, JD did not have his fourth for the longest time. Hwasin had a huge advantage when it was 3:3. It was literally one scan away (and pulling the vessels towards the right direction) from winning. You guys are so retarded... This. Yeah it was very close, but still I wound`t say one scan away from hwasin's victory...but reaaaally close nonetheless
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On December 31 2008 16:49 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:48 DoX.) wrote: How 'bout at the end where JD lost 3 lurks, 2 hydras,1 defiler and 4 scourges to 12 marines :D Haha I was thinking '300' right there. Like hero marines holding the center till the last moments, then it was down to like 4 and they were still holding.
And remember the marines were fighting uphill..XP
*sigh* i wish hwasin had saved his third
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Hwasin was 15 seconds away from winning it in the middle after Jaedong's push melted. I was wondering wtf happened when Hwasin was almost at JD's nat, and then swarm came out at the VERY last second..
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On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote: How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group
If you are talking about the one JD killed 4 Sci Vessels in 5 seconds.Those scourges were not cloned. Predicting where the Sci Vessels would be, JD moved his scourges there. Scourges moved with the Sci Vessels, and JD A-clicked.
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On December 31 2008 16:45 food wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:42 Kuja900 wrote: I dont see where all these hwasin compliments are coming from he played aweful that game he lost so many vessels, i didnt see even one defiler get irad, he didnt scan when lurks at his 3rd the list goes on hwasin played like shit and got raped like a bitch, i hate jaedong there is no fan-boyism for either side in this post hwasin played like crap and deserved to lose even if STX is my team. i actually voted lecaf and love JD whereas Hwasin means nothing to me, but that game was tipping in his favor and youre the retard not to acknowledge that.
What is your problem? Someone expresses an opinion about the game that is different than your own and you call them a retard? Youve done nothing in this thread but argue about things unrelated to the thread and offend people all night.
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On December 31 2008 16:49 Dante08 wrote: This match is basically Hwasin playing great with his MnM, tanks etc, except for ..... vessels. -_- Jaedong played awesome no doubt about that
Wow I have no clue what to say you guys are so ignorant Hwasin did great attempting to keep his vessels alive but it's hard to do 8 things at once even for a progamer he can't macro + move vessel away from scourge + target scourge + move back marines + irradiate lurkers/defilers + pick off lings + dodge swarms + skirmish Jaedong's expansions.
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On December 31 2008 16:49 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:48 DoX.) wrote: How 'bout at the end where JD lost 3 lurks, 2 hydras,1 defiler and 4 scourges to 12 marines :D Haha I was thinking '300' right there. Like hero marines holding the center till the last moments, then it was down to like 4 and they were still holding.
And remember that they were fighting an uphill battle XP
*sigh* i wish Hwasin had saved his third...
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On December 31 2008 16:51 Tianx wrote: Hwasin was 15 seconds away from winning it in the middle after Jaedong's push melted. I was wondering wtf happened when Hwasin was almost at JD's nat, and then swarm came out at the VERY last second..
To be fair, Jaedong had those defilers out quite a while before the push hit his natural. It was still tense, though.
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The game wasn't even at all. Hwasin carelessly lost too many science vessels, and his attempts at harrassing the 3rd were pathetic. Heck, he built so many tanks, yet he couldn't spare one to siege the 3rd's cliff. No drops in the main, no harrasses on the natural, he only took out a few stray hatches that jaedong didn't care for.
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Well, in a TvZ, the only thing terrans do that jumps out is MnM micro, which Hwasin did well. When a zerg does well, their play jumps out at you more before they're more dynamic with spellcasting+flanks. Hwasin did play well, in the attack vs Guardians, he targeted the lurkers, then backed off to finish the lings, then advanced to kill the Guardians. But these things are hard to notice.
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On December 31 2008 16:51 Tianx wrote: Hwasin was 15 seconds away from winning it in the middle after Jaedong's push melted. I was wondering wtf happened when Hwasin was almost at JD's nat, and then swarm came out at the VERY last second..
LoL yes, that was such an intense moment! I thought Jaedong was going to lose it there for a second.
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Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong!
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On December 31 2008 16:51 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote: How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group If you are talking about the one JD killed 4 Sci Vessels in 5 seconds.Those scourges were not cloned. Predicting where the Sci Vessels would be, JD moved his scourges there. Scourges moved with the Sci Vessels, and JD A-clicked.
Rewatch it when the vod comes out they were cloned.
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On December 31 2008 16:52 hacpee wrote: The game wasn't even at all. Hwasin carelessly lost too many science vessels, and his attempts at harrassing the 3rd were pathetic. Heck, he built so many tanks, yet he couldn't spare one to siege the 3rd's cliff. No drops in the main, no harrasses on the natural, he only took out a few stray hatches that jaedong didn't care for.
You're a moron.
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On December 31 2008 16:51 nosliw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:47 caelym wrote:On December 31 2008 16:38 abakben wrote: How can a pro player loose 6 vessels at the same time? easy, your opponent is a s-class zerg with 12 scourges cloned perfectly against vessels a bit too far away from the main m&m group If you are talking about the one JD killed 4 Sci Vessels in 5 seconds.Those scourges were not cloned. Predicting where the Sci Vessels would be, JD moved his scourges there. Scourges moved with the Sci Vessels, and JD A-clicked.
Scourge ai is really stupid you know, ive cloned scourge and had them do that
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if hwasin had saved his 3rd jaedong would've lost
JD was running out of time by that point going 3:3 base
but it didn't look like hwasin had full bunks at his 3rd and didn't scan
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On December 31 2008 16:52 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 16:45 food wrote:On December 31 2008 16:42 Kuja900 wrote: I dont see where all these hwasin compliments are coming from he played aweful that game he lost so many vessels, i didnt see even one defiler get irad, he didnt scan when lurks at his 3rd the list goes on hwasin played like shit and got raped like a bitch, i hate jaedong there is no fan-boyism for either side in this post hwasin played like crap and deserved to lose even if STX is my team. i actually voted lecaf and love JD whereas Hwasin means nothing to me, but that game was tipping in his favor and youre the retard not to acknowledge that. What is your problem? Someone expresses an opinion about the game that is different than your own and you call them a retard? Youve done nothing in this thread but argue about things unrelated to the thread and offend people all night. 
@Kuja: Agreed.
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no lie i was scared for JD when he lost his gurds.... i was surprised me went greater spire in teh 1st place.....
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On December 31 2008 16:53 AttackZerg wrote: Technically hwasin was ahead for awhile that game. He pushed great/played great for the first 11 minutes or so. It was after he lost that 3 tank mnm/sci to muta/lurker/ling/ensare that he began to play weird. Jaedong never had a real army to push with (under 80 supply almost all game) yet hwasin continued to push super hard, and not defensively ira-tank-mine his half of the map and then do a massive push with simultanious drops.
I think queens were great, I think jaedongmade a good comeback, but hwasin was ahead economicly, army size AND type, upgrades, and positioning. He just kept overextending himself for no reason.
It was like hwasin was scared that 4 lurkers + 1 queen + 20 lings + 1 defiler were going to run him over ..... he played TERRIBLE in the middle of the game.
Go jaedong!
It wasn't that he was afraid that would run him over he was afraid that jaedong would be able to play passive and because he saw the low army count he must have assumed jaedong had more expansions and jaedong was also putting constant pressure on his army even when they were close to his base.
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