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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 14 2008 06:43 GMT
#761
Proved that he deserves his #2 spot, with great sense putting up so many expansions after the DT harass used up scans AND saw Flash going for fast tech. As aforementioned, the subtleties are just numerous.
Jaedong
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
December 14 2008 06:44 GMT
#762
Mike Tyson Terran - -;;
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 06:46:41
December 14 2008 06:46 GMT
#763
On December 14 2008 15:36 SuperJongMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 15:35 Qwertify wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks.


She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1


Doesn't mean Samsung doesn't lose -_-;; They won't be winning the title this year.


No I just think that it doesn't matter that much. She has (P)Stork and (P)JangBi, OSL finalist and MSL semi-finalist, plus FBH go up against 3 fairly new players, (Z)EffOrt, (T)sKyHigh, and (P)Movie.

it was much more up to the players then anything like usual
CJ Entusman #24
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
December 14 2008 06:47 GMT
#764
lol 3-0
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
December 14 2008 06:47 GMT
#765
39 pages and counting for a 3-0 lol
wraiths go pew pew
saturns2k
Profile Joined December 2008
United States19 Posts
December 14 2008 06:48 GMT
#766
I wanted to see (P)JangBi today, but oh well.. (P)Stork really rock the game so guess i have be satisfy with that.
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
December 14 2008 06:48 GMT
#767
go FBH =]
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 14 2008 06:49 GMT
#768
Stork's PvT is in a league of his own. He would look bad against zergs or tosses at times, but Stork just never fails in PvT. Other tosses may be good at the MU, but Stork just dominates it.
Meh
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 14 2008 06:54 GMT
#769
On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill


I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in.


Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases.


You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy.
Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all.

Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason:
1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3).
2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units.
Then its very obvious who's going to win.

But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers.
As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build).

The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks.


I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs.

The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can.

So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech.
CJ Entusman #24
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 14 2008 06:54 GMT
#770
Who is watching GOM tonight?
CJ Entusman #24
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 14 2008 06:56 GMT
#771
Rock will get DPed by Flash and victory for Bisu!!!
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-14 06:57:57
December 14 2008 06:57 GMT
#772
(Z)HoeJJa is so good

But I think (P)Bisu will take it. He is after all the greatest SC player out these right now.
CJ Entusman #24
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
December 14 2008 06:57 GMT
#773
815 got steamrolled... what was he thinking bringing those drones
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 14 2008 06:57 GMT
#774
On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:
Who is watching GOM tonight?

me me me
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 14 2008 06:59 GMT
#775
On December 14 2008 15:57 Proposal wrote:
815 got steamrolled... what was he thinking bringing those drones


lol .... yeah His facial reaction right after that failed was just as funny.

He's like, "Oh shoot, that miserably failed, damn, it will be gg now soon"
CJ Entusman #24
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 14 2008 06:59 GMT
#776
On December 14 2008 15:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:
Who is watching GOM tonight?

me me me


see you in the thread
CJ Entusman #24
EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
December 14 2008 07:00 GMT
#777
On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill


I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in.


Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases.


You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy.
Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all.

Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason:
1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3).
2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units.
Then its very obvious who's going to win.

But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers.
As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build).

The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks.


I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs.

The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can.

So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech.


You are absolutely correct. Flash knows this as well. That's why he pushed out at a perfect timing in this game. Not too soon, not too late. Heck, he even had vessels ready at the perfect time, even before arbiter was out. This only proves that Flash made one mistake in this game, losing few tanks in his attempt to harrass. And this one small mistake cost him the game because both were playing 100 out of 100 game... well Flash 99 out of 100.
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
December 14 2008 07:02 GMT
#778
losing tanks.. you mean the dropship play? behind the temple?
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 14 2008 07:04 GMT
#779
On December 14 2008 16:00 EntertainMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:
On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill


I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in.


Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases.


You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy.
Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all.

Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason:
1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3).
2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units.
Then its very obvious who's going to win.

But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers.
As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build).

The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks.


I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs.

The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can.

So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech.


You are absolutely correct. Flash knows this as well. That's why he pushed out at a perfect timing in this game. Not too soon, not too late. Heck, he even had vessels ready at the perfect time, even before arbiter was out. This only proves that Flash made one mistake in this game, losing few tanks in his attempt to harrass. And this one small mistake cost him the game because both were playing 100 out of 100 game... well Flash 99 out of 100.


I think we agree. I have to say that I was a bit careless when I wrote that Flash lost because he was too passive. I think someone else even mentioned that Stork my have gotten an edge simply because he was able to expand in the right places, where it would have been hard for Flash to do the same.
CJ Entusman #24
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7817 Posts
December 14 2008 07:06 GMT
#780
On December 14 2008 15:39 Balfazar wrote:
LOL I think I've seen just about every possible reason for Flash's loss except Stork playing well. Try and push aside your hating for just a second and give some credit where it is due.


Nobody said Stork didn't play well..
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