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Massive lineups from both teams, I'm looking forward to the games today!
How to watch:
-Daum Sports(low quality)::Direct Link
-Daum Media player
-VLC Stream(Thanks to Corinthos)::mmsh://75.126.18.2:1251
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Looking forward to see Storky vs Flaaaaash
This series will probably go to ace match
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Stork > Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH > 815
JangBi < Luxury
ACE : Stork < Flash
KTF 3-2
edit: hmm... Flash has to play Gom too so Flash will probably not show up for Ace but nevertheless Stork vs Flash for Ace gogo!
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I can't wait for this. Gogo KHAN! (Except Juni, fuck that guy)
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On December 14 2008 11:32 LordWeird wrote:
I can't wait for this. Gogo KHAN! (Except Juni, fuck that guy)
y the juni hate?
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niiiiiice stork vs flash... should be epic... normally i always say KTF autowin but stork is another fav. player. still go go KTF
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On December 14 2008 11:32 LordWeird wrote:
I can't wait for this. Gogo KHAN! (Except Juni, fuck that guy)
Juni's a pimp. Maybe you mean great?
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Oh shit... FlaSh vs. Stork... Bacchus OSL all over again. SHOW him HOW IT'S DONE FLASH!
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Stork < Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH> 815
Jangbi> Luxury
Jangbi/FBH/Stork < Flash
3-2 ktf, 2-0 Flash gogo
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On December 14 2008 11:54 Yaqoob wrote: JangBi >  Luxury (remember MSL JangBi 3-0 Luxury?)
That was Yarnc, I bet Luxury is looking to avenge his zerg twin though.
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On December 14 2008 11:54 Yaqoob wrote:JangBi > Luxury (remember MSL JangBi 3-0 Luxury?)
remember that was Yarnc?
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HoeJJa for ace ^_^ one can always pray.
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United States10328 Posts
On December 14 2008 12:02 darktreb wrote:remember that was Yarnc?
well both twins' ZvP suck 
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
SLAY THE 1ST DRAGON FLASH THIS GENERATION IS GAY ENOUGH
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if it goes to Ace FBH will go because he is 3-0 with Flash.
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I think Jangbi or FBH will be Ace should it come to it(which is fairly likely). Main reason is because Luxury can be sent in to snipe Stork, while both Jangbi and FBH are beasts vT or vZ.
Flash's GOM schedule would really make it hard for him to come back for the ace game. I mean, there are only a couple of hours in between.
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I dunno why everyone is so sure Luxury will beat Jangbi if we take maps into account as well as players.
Flash, but dont be suprised if stork tries something funny
Temptest
FBH
Jangbi
Flash , though khan has fbh and jangbi who can win, stork as well.
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Sending luxury to snipe stork? I mean yeah he beat him in WCG, but sending luxury to fight stork is even money at best, and if youre wrong you could end up facing fbh..which is not good, or jangbi which is also even money at best.
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Game 1: (P)(P)Stork > (T)(T)Flash
gonna go out on a limb and say stork will win regardless of map imba
Game 2: (Z)(Z)Juni < (P)(P)Tempest
tempest will take this.
Game 3: (T)(T)firebathero > (Z)(Z)815
its firebathero, and its tvz... if 815 dosnt get stomped early then he will be nuked/bcd
Game 4: (P)(P)JangBi > (Z)(Z)Luxury
jangbi, has already taken out the one twin, going to def take out the other
as for ace i think fbh will be sent out and if he is, he will win regardless if flash or luxery are sent out due to his killer tvt and tvp, and if ktf predicts this and intend to snipe him with a toss? who can they send... tempest?lol
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 14 2008 12:26 mog87 wrote:
Sending luxury to snipe stork? I mean yeah he beat him in WCG, but sending luxury to fight stork is even money at best, and if youre wrong you could end up facing fbh..which is not good, or jangbi which is also even money at best.
In the OSL opening ceremony Luxury was told to choose 3 players he did NOT want to face
He wrote the following
Stork
Sea
Midas
Luxury has a history of choking in front of Stork (like Stork chokes against GGplay)
Even his ogn coaches joked around saying "If this is Luxury's group he would probably retire haha"
Ofcourse this was the beginning of Incruit Starleague.
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I'm thinking FBH vs Flash for ace if the match doesn't last too long (not sure how long it takes for him to get to GOM studio and get set up) but I believe Flash will win that matchup this time around.
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On December 14 2008 12:26 mog87 wrote:
Sending luxury to snipe stork? I mean yeah he beat him in WCG, but sending luxury to fight stork is even money at best, and if youre wrong you could end up facing fbh..which is not good, or jangbi which is also even money at best.
Against zergs, you'd have to think that both FBH and Jangbi are better. Against terran, Stork has a slight advantage of Jangbi and FBH, who are both ridiculously good in the MU too. Hence no reason to send out Stork for ace.
Also, as I said, Flash's GOM schedule makes it likely that he'll leave the match right after his game. So Luxury as ace is very possible.
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KTF slightly favored in the first two games, but fairly heavily disfavored in the next two. Come on guys, pull out a win!
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On December 14 2008 12:36 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 12:26 mog87 wrote:
Sending luxury to snipe stork? I mean yeah he beat him in WCG, but sending luxury to fight stork is even money at best, and if youre wrong you could end up facing fbh..which is not good, or jangbi which is also even money at best. Against zergs, you'd have to think that both FBH and Jangbi are better. Against terran, Stork has a slight advantage of Jangbi and FBH, who are both ridiculously good in the MU too. Hence no reason to send out Stork for ace. Also, as I said, Flash's GOM schedule makes it likely that he'll leave the match right after his game. So Luxury as ace is very possible.
Best was in the same position a week ago, and he sitll played ace.
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On December 14 2008 12:10 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 12:02 darktreb wrote:On December 14 2008 11:54 Yaqoob wrote:JangBi > Luxury (remember MSL JangBi 3-0 Luxury?) remember that was Yarnc? well both twins' ZvP suck Yeah, well, Luxuries is way better than Yarncs. ;P
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I'm betting that if this match does go to an ace, FBH will go out. KTF doesn't have the depth that Khan has, so sending out a player who could potentially take out both KTF's top aces seems like a safe choice. Jangbi could probably fill this role, too. But hey, I've got fantasy proleague to think about!
And, I don't know, would it be too much of a shocker if Tempest goes out in the ace? How I see it is, Luxury is probably not going to fair too well against any of Stork, Jangbi, or FBH. Flash would essentially be trying to win 4 games in the span of a few hours, though I suppose that doesn't keep KTF from using him all the time anyway.
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even if they sent out tempest, fbh would still probably beat him
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 14 2008 12:54 spydernoob wrote:
even if they sent out tempest, fbh would still probably beat him
hes right, as bad as fbh is at TvP, his isn't Casy
Although we mock FBH's PvT, his PvT is not TERRIBLE
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For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams.
For instance...
KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out
Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO)
Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...)
Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there.
A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux  . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though
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Stork < Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH < 815
815 is baller, hes gonna rape fbh up hard
People there is no way that 1. stork will win vs flash and 2. if it gets to ace khan send out stork
Hes been mini slumping since the osl finals
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Will we have a stream? =(
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On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams. For instance... KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO) Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...) Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there. A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though
I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches.
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Why don't I see any Zerg winning
ToT
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United States10774 Posts
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People people people, they will sent fbh and ktf will send hoejja, because hoejja is baller as fuck and took down fbh
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On December 14 2008 13:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams. For instance... KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO) Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...) Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there. A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches. There is a lot more to pvz than macro, which is why Stork is subpar at it. Jangbi understands the match up, he has good game sense and good multitasking. You don't need to have amazing sair/dt in order to be a great pvz player.
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i personally think sin chupon reyong favors t over p.
so if it comes down to that matchup i think ktf takes this
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I think Samsung wins 3-1. Possibly even, dare I say.. 3-0???
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stork<flash
juni<tempest
fbh>815
jangbi>luxury
closer:
stork<flash
i guarantee that flash is not going to lose to stork... and this lose in this proleague match will put him in a slope and never make it past round of 16 in osl
p.s. if fbh lose to 815 ima just slit my wrist lol...
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damn worst comes to worst flash might have to play six games today
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I think 3-1 Samsung is a total possibility. But if KTF steps up they'll take it for sure
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as soon as i saw this line up i shouted "OH DOO DOO!"
I'm excited.
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stork vs flash OMGGG
who to cheer for
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Predicting:
Flash > Stork- Flash is too awesome to lose in a macro game on a t map.
Tempest > Juni- I don't know who this is, but Tempest just beat Jaedong
815 < Firebathero- TvZ beast when he needs to be
Luxury < Jangbi- I think they are about the same level, but I want to see an ace match
Flash > Jangbi- Flash abuse
awesome lineups
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On December 14 2008 13:21 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 13:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams. For instance... KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO) Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...) Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there. A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches. There is a lot more to pvz than macro, which is why Stork is subpar at it. Jangbi understands the match up, he has good game sense and good multitasking. You don't need to have amazing sair/dt in order to be a great pvz player.
Stork is not subpar at PvZ, he's decent, just like Jangbi. Jangbi shows a sufficient understanding of PvZ. Like vs Effort, he took his nat and pressured at the same time, but his attack was ineffective and gave a slight advantage to Effort. Jangbi is not great at PvZ, actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested. We can't say if he's good at it or not unless he actually beats real players, and his lose to Effort does not help his cause. Don't say effort is on a tear; he was on a tear, but he's inconsistent. Effort didn't play godly in that game either, but he did play great, something that Jangbi has lost to.
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On December 14 2008 13:35 zhaoli86 wrote:
why 6 games?
maybe another draw? remember the last flash vs jangbi.
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On December 14 2008 12:01 Fontong wrote:That was Yarnc, I bet Luxury is looking to avenge his zerg twin though.
I always mixed them up.
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FBH should be sent out if it comes to the ace match, since KTF has no Protoss gosu enough to take him on.
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noone is gosu enough to take on fbh
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On December 14 2008 13:56 OSWater wrote:
noone is gosu enough to take on fbh
Any Protoss that appeared in the RO8 of both Starleagues last season, plus a couple of others like Pusan could take him on.
Edit: Of course, I'm referring to taking him on at Starcraft. If it were a dancing contest on the other hand...
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On December 14 2008 13:54 Jyvblamo wrote:
FBH should be sent out if it comes to the ace match, since KTF has no Protoss gosu enough to take him on.
good point. FBH is decent enough to take on Flash and definitely more than capable of taking down Luxury... but seriously, why send out FBH when you have Jangbi? ; )
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On December 14 2008 13:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 13:21 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 14 2008 13:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams. For instance... KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO) Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...) Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there. A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches. There is a lot more to pvz than macro, which is why Stork is subpar at it. Jangbi understands the match up, he has good game sense and good multitasking. You don't need to have amazing sair/dt in order to be a great pvz player. Stork is not subpar at PvZ, he's decent, just like Jangbi. Jangbi shows a sufficient understanding of PvZ. Like vs Effort, he took his nat and pressured at the same time, but his attack was ineffective and gave a slight advantage to Effort. Jangbi is not great at PvZ, actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested. We can't say if he's good at it or not unless he actually beats real players, and his lose to Effort does not help his cause. Don't say effort is on a tear; he was on a tear, but he's inconsistent. Effort didn't play godly in that game either, but he did play great, something that Jangbi has lost to. What top players is Jangbi suppose to fucking beat? Every zerg play sucks ass right now, beating the plethora that he has, is as legitimate as any player beating roughly 60% of a race's good players, decisively.
Jangbi's pvz is very good, Storks is mediocre.
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On December 14 2008 13:58 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 13:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 14 2008 13:21 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 14 2008 13:16 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 14 2008 13:08 Vasoline73 wrote:For ace it's going to be a guessing game for both teams. For instance... KTF would want to send Flash if they suspected Stork was coming out Khan would PROBABLY want to send out FBH to fight Flash (Jangbi has a 50/50 chance IMO) Against FBH ideally KTF would want to send Luxury. I think that FBH's TvT is more likely to snipe Flash than his TvZ sniping Lux (assuming Lux is in form, which he may not be...) Jangbi has the best chance of beating Flash and Lux so he could be Khan's safest choice. He'll need an early game cheese/risk to beat Flash though... and thr map will help him there. A funny but unlikely ace would be Stork V Lux . I think ace will be FBH V. Flash though I believe that Stork>Jangbi in all Matchups. Maybe not PvZ but I'm still iffy, all Jangbi has shown in his PvZ lately is that he can macro. No outstanding Reaver/Sair usage or tricky tech switches. There is a lot more to pvz than macro, which is why Stork is subpar at it. Jangbi understands the match up, he has good game sense and good multitasking. You don't need to have amazing sair/dt in order to be a great pvz player. Stork is not subpar at PvZ, he's decent, just like Jangbi. Jangbi shows a sufficient understanding of PvZ. Like vs Effort, he took his nat and pressured at the same time, but his attack was ineffective and gave a slight advantage to Effort. Jangbi is not great at PvZ, actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested. We can't say if he's good at it or not unless he actually beats real players, and his lose to Effort does not help his cause. Don't say effort is on a tear; he was on a tear, but he's inconsistent. Effort didn't play godly in that game either, but he did play great, something that Jangbi has lost to. What top players is Jangbi suppose to fucking beat? Every zerg play sucks ass right now, beating the plethora that he has, is as legitimate as any player beating roughly 60% of a race's good players, decisively. Jangbi's pvz is very good, Storks is mediocre.
Why are you cussing, it's not like I dissed Jangbi or anything, look at the facts, ok? Look at what I said.
"actually, it's more accurate to say that his PvZ is untested."
Look at his game vs Effort.
Even if all the zergs suck right now, Jangbi has only beaten the suckiest of the sucky zergs.
Edit: Oh, Stork does not have Mediocre PvZ, many of his losses recently came from Jaedong back when he had invicible ZvP. While it may not be as prominent has his other two gosu MUs, it's definitely not mediocre.
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
samsung vs ktf vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:1251
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Flash vs Stork, most sexcellent.
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wonder wht the special occasion this is
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corinthos one day ill felate you
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ktf getting awarded for first to 100 wins
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What award is that guy (coach?) getting?
And OMG Corinthos comes through with his amazing streams.
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Tempest did beat Best, and can beat fbh despite losing to him in the MSL, hes a deceint choice I suppose. But I see no reason not to send flash. Luxury doesnt have an advantage against any one of khans 3 monsters.
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thanks for the stream Corinthos
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On December 14 2008 14:01 Corinthos wrote:
samsung vs ktf vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:1251
<3, its 6am and i just woke up for this, without your stream i would have to go to bed again ^^
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Thanks Corinthos. I hope Flash is directly clockwise from Stork. I really do.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:05 ambit!ous1 wrote:
thanks for the stream Corinthos
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United States13143 Posts
What happened to the proleague theme music? It's always this weird metal stuff, except for apparently today.
Not that I'm complaining, but it's somewhat unusual.
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If Flash loses, then I think Samsung will take the match. My prediction:
Stork < Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH > 815
Jangbi > Luxury
FBH > Luxury
O
Y -> crotchdance
^
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There's a Blizzard commercial for WOW ROTLK. And A women getting stuck in a elevator.
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Corinthos FTW!
how does he do it, anyway!
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The duam player is being a bit laggy for me, is it for anyone else?
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stork>flash
juni<tempest
fbh>815
jangbi<luxury
stork<flash
thanks corinthos
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i can feel the epicness of game 1 alrdy!!!!
is this the 1st time they faced each other since Bacchus finals?
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On December 14 2008 14:09 Tonyy wrote:
The duam player is being a bit laggy for me, is it for anyone else?
Where have you been for the last 8 months?
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probably too early to talk about but didn't this season proleague they change the playoff to incorporate more teams?
anyone know the song playing right now
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:11 Instigata wrote:
probably too early to talk about but didn't this season proleague they change the playoff to incorporate more teams? Yea top 6 get through
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stork<flash
juni<tempest
fbh>815
jangbi>luxury
fbh<flash
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On December 14 2008 14:10 sung_moon wrote:
i can feel the epicness of game 1 alrdy!!!!
is this the 1st time they faced each other since Bacchus finals?
On December 14 2008 14:11 Instigata wrote:
probably too early to talk about but didn't this season proleague they change the playoff to incorporate more teams?
Yes. 2 Bird with one stone.
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On December 14 2008 14:10 sung_moon wrote:
i can feel the epicness of game 1 alrdy!!!!
is this the 1st time they faced each other since Bacchus finals?
Wow it is. I didn't realize that until now. Stork looks nervous btw...
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On December 14 2008 14:10 Solinren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:09 Tonyy wrote:
The duam player is being a bit laggy for me, is it for anyone else? Where have you been for the last 8 months?
This is my first time being able to stay up to watch a game live because I don't have work in the morning. I usually wait til I get home from work then watch it but I'm pretty excited about seeing Stork vs Flash
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork vs Flash omigosh!!
I dont know why flash has a gold crown and now a silver crown :x
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kinda miss 2v2 a bit (most games were boring/the same (like zvz), but there were those odd games that were gold).
although this 1 of each race rule is pretty good
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Cool samsung jackets btw :D
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Jangbi is the only one with a big coat
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Daum player is a slideshow viewer now but it used to be HQ stream. Now we rely on daum sports and vlc's by our tl'er
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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KTF:
T 17-9
Z 13-11
P 4-11
I had no idea KTF's Protoss players were so weak.
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holy shit i almost forgot about watching this
let's see if stork can avenge the double silvers he got from flash's revenge for getting knocked out of OSL twice in a row by stork
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I have no idea how the Crown/Star system works. Very confusing.
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On December 14 2008 14:14 Plexa wrote:
anyone want me to LR?
Yeah why not. I don't think I've ever read a thread where you LRed iirc.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Alrightyyyyyyyy
Just about to start
Stork and flash are obviously having a nice chat between them
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Map: Neo Harmony
Flash @ 7
Stork @ 5
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yes yes yes yes yes positions <3
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Damn, anti-clockwise. Bad positions for Flash.
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I bet Stork will 12 Nex... hopefully Flash cheeses him out!
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On December 14 2008 14:06 thunk wrote:
Thanks Corinthos. I hope Flash is directly clockwise from Stork. I really do.
got your wish ...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
what? anticlockwise is good for terran, he can push and secure his third at the same time o.O wtf you guys on about
positions favor flash imo
Standard stuff from both players, flash walling in
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Ok I'll let Plexa LR. Time to watch...
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Newsflash, Flash not 14 CC'ing!
(actually both players are know for being greedy arent they)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Flash counting around inside Stork's main.. ntohing interesting going on..
Stork has his core - Storks socut only just gettin to Flash now.. Stork also has a zealot!
long game right here imo
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Stork has maphacks skipping scout at 11 and going directly to 7
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On December 14 2008 14:17 Fontong wrote:Yeah why not. I don't think I've ever read a thread where you LRed iirc.
There was a thread last week where he had 8 consecutive posts, every single page, or something like that. Just hang out in the MBC LR threads.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
LOL MANNER SUPPLYDEPO BY FLASH
EPICCCCC
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LOLOL manner supply depot
ROFL
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HAHAHA MANNER SUPPLY!!!! PIMPEST PLAY!
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lol isn't that meant as BM?
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ok i have to try that now
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
flashs scout is dead, flash has also started his CC
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Stork cancel's range and going for dt's
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was that even worth it? it didn't last very long...
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On December 14 2008 14:19 Plexa wrote:
what? anticlockwise is good for terran, he can push and secure his third at the same time o.O wtf you guys on about
positions favor flash imo
Standard stuff from both players, flash walling in
Doesn't clockwise allow the Terran to 6 fact/2 fact and push and break the nat really, really easily?
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perfect stream, thank Corinthos so much.
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You know, both positions might favor Terran, that my be why Terrans do pretty well on this map.
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On December 14 2008 14:22 Onisparda wrote:
was that even worth it? it didn't last very long...
OFC it was!!
Looks like a DT drop from the dino toss.
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stork going for what looks like a dt drop
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the evil one is going dt tech, fuck him
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flashing getting cc and ebay in his main
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Stork's playing Dark Protoss and going DT drop. Flash might or might not have turrets up in time.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
lool Stork has templar tech - retro 2gate 2005 style
Flash however is adding his ebay which should be done by the time the CC lands
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Lol dt's, flash has a ebay up these wont do shit
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as i said expect stork to try something funny.
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Flash needs to be careful.... :/. Hopefully he defends. His expo is mining before Storks has started
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Flash is building an armory.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Turrets going up a Flash's natural
Stork has no sign of an expo yet
Shuttle out, DT drop =[ lame
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fuck...I think flash is doing his typical armory build, meaning later acad!!
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Oh. I lied.. lol. There one...
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United States17042 Posts
first two dt are out for stork, but flash already has his ebay out and his expo up.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
lol Flash thought it was a reaver drop
Flash has enough turrest in the right flashs to stop most of the harass.. but Stork is going to rush in very soon with goon/zea/dt to take out the turrest at the natural
Flash has a goliath out
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United States17042 Posts
1 tower right place looks like for flash, stork needs to do more damage to make it worthwhile.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork has a hidden expo at 9
SOTRK GOING FOR THE TURRET!!
NICE SCV PULL AND FLASH DEFENDS WITH EASE
STORK WAYYYYYYYYYY BEHIND
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Flash was not expecting that from Stork. Stork is easily going to get away with the doublle expo, while trying to do a turret run-by snipe.
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storks mass dt goon rush fails
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OOOOOOOMG. Too epic. I thought Flash was done there
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FLASH DEFENDS! SUCK IT, AGE OF PROTOSS!
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United States17042 Posts
awesome awesom scv wall to save that turret. Stork is going to need to keep his double expand. flash getting starport already
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Oh man that was so stupid by Stork. He is really going to need that fast 3rd running for a long time to catch back up.
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Yea, Flash definitely thought it was a reaver. A very uncharacteristic display of Dark protoss from Stork.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork is in major trouble, okay my bad Stork has his natural now but still he is a way behind after that failed drop
Flash using his trademark flash build against Stork haha
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Already a facility from Flash. Expecting Arb tech
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y does stream lag when critical moments of games happen
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Flash has a timing but he is going starport.
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Flash getting port with tower, gets scouted by Stork.
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wow anotehr armonry for flash with academy
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Flash is so far ahead now, he's been on 2 base for ages and stork has just set up his 2/3rd
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Stork sees the incoming dropship. Flash is going to expand.
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United States17042 Posts
thunk, you should come out to the big screen with me and general nukeem.
science vessel coming out for flash looks like, not sure if he's going for a dropship though
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On December 14 2008 14:26 Plexa wrote:
Stork is in major trouble, okay my bad Stork has his natural now but still he is a way behind after that failed drop
Flash using his trademark flash build against Stork haha
Wasn't the Flash build specifically made to counter Stork? His fast carriers at least.
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stork's dead obs makes me sad
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wow i thought flash was screwed when i saw no turret in main or nat. and yet he somehow defends that attack on the nat. sick reactions.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork adding more gates etc but he's still way behind =/
Stork going to expand to 1 to catch up in economy.. Flash taking out his own temple (obviously to expand there - which is odd, i thought he'd push)
Stork has started his nexus at 1 main
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United States17042 Posts
1 gol for flash to prevent more harass, flash had 5 gates and 2 forges.
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who the fuck does stork think he is
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United States17042 Posts
another expand by stork at 1
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Wtf? 4th nexus going up for Stork now...I guess he knows that he has to be super risky to catch up/.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Oh man. Stork makes a 4'th nexus already.
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Flash looking to expand. And drop!
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Stork switches back his standard templar+army combo. Vult drop incoming for Flash. Flash trying to take a third.
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United States17042 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:27 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:26 Plexa wrote:
Stork is in major trouble, okay my bad Stork has his natural now but still he is a way behind after that failed drop
Flash using his trademark flash build against Stork haha Wasn't the Flash build specifically made to counter Stork? His fast carriers at least.
made specifically to counter 2 base carriers on katrina. Variations have been used to counter carriers.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork has a DT at 3 to catch any expo
Stork has like 6~ gates and has storm
Flash is playing really safe... almost tooo safe...
Dropship out for Flash (loaded with vultures) and he's building another CC - i think to float to 6
dropship going for Stork's main
Goons harassing Flash's new CC - tanks scare them away
DROP IN STORKS MAIN
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Vulture drop in Stork's main wreaking havoc!
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1+ weapon is done, Flash has 2 armonies for dual upgrades now.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Lol Stork kills the scv making 3'rd CC right under Flash's nise. Cute.
Vult drop in the main and nat. Doing some damage.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Okay.. flash dropped two vults at storks main, 1 at his natural
useless drop really =/
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United States17042 Posts
drop goes off stork's main, and drops another one atthe nat. is he going to scout the nidden expand? no stork manage to make sure flash dosen't see it.
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Mining is stopped completely in Stork's main for quite some time. Flash waaaaaay ahead
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The FPVOD makes me so impressed at Flash's play. He really controlled that dropship and all of his units really well.
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United States17042 Posts
drop stopped mining for a little bit at stork's main, and now flash scouts the hidden expansion.Is stork mining anywhere? probabloy still at 1...
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flash saw the hidden expo's, expect a push soon, followed by the stork face and a gg.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
lol two vultures are dropped behind the minerals at 3  which stall mining there for awhile..
Flash is moving out with vult/tank
Stork is very low on zealots
Flash is pushing towards stork and taking his third expo at 6 as expected
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ohhhhhhhh snap
flash moving out
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hmmnmm.....this is risky play
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flash moving out!
cmon flash u can do this
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash pushing out to secure 3'rd.
Flash is starting his 4th CC wow. What a whore.
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United States17042 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:29 thunk wrote:
The FPVOD makes me so impressed at Flash's play. He really controlled that dropship and all of his units really well.
he's well known for his multitask and his apm. There's a reason why he's called the ultimate weapon.
you should come out here so my stream stops lagging.
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OOOOOOOOH My God. Flash is the freaking MACRO terran! Expanding again!
He's showing Stork he isn't afraid to macro him out
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is flash 2-1?
flashing expoing to his 3rd
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storm drop killed 0 scvs, but damaged 2 tanks =\
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
lol stork tried to storm drop 6 got zero kills hahaha
Flash has tanks there to clear it up now
Gets a decent storm off on the tanks but w/e no major damage
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United States17042 Posts
uesless storm, tanks come along to prevent harass. flash's dropship is really paying off for itself well.
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Flash beginning to push Counter-clockwise, taking advantage of the quick third like (it's really a quick fourth in this case) as Plexa noted.
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Stork's storms on SCVs is no match for Flash's ridiculous reaction time.
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I think Flash is gonna lose.. I can feel it..
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United States17042 Posts
flash is going to push along the high ground towards stork's main. Clever clever clever. I wonder what stork is going to do about it.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
I think Flash i going to try to break into Stork's main by killing the temple!
He can slow push in and do a lot of damage.
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lol the dt is hitting from behind the mineral line
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Flash ferried some shit across the min line at 6 and is buildling turrets there etc
Flash mining 9 from inside his base lol
Stork moving out!!!
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United States17042 Posts
nice nice dt spacing by stork, able to catch some scv's through the mineral patches
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lol dt ninjaing scv's thru the mins
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On December 14 2008 14:31 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:29 thunk wrote:
The FPVOD makes me so impressed at Flash's play. He really controlled that dropship and all of his units really well. he's well known for his multitask and his apm. There's a reason why he's called the ultimate weapon. you should come out here so my stream stops lagging.
Jim's looking at it too, I think.
Stork is threatening to do a massive backstab while Stork takes his fifth. Ridiculous.
And Flash is slow pushing into Stork's main.
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flash ferrying units into stork's main, killing good amount of goons
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hey stork it's called zealot legs, preferably researched sometime before it's 4 bases to 3
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork has a hugeeeee army o.O
Flash ferrying units into Stork's main from 6, interesting play - kinda like the turbo newbie haha
mines are raping goons in Stork's main haha
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United States17042 Posts
stork needs to go defend his main, but with the temple there he's going to have a rough time.
both flash and storm abusing the map to the fullest
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stork is getting raaaaped
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Wait, I'm confused. Say you spawn at 7 in harmony, is your third base "meant" to be 9 or 6?
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man flash really exploiting the map benefits
elevatering units
wow my stream is bhind
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I think those drops are ultimately putting Flash behind though.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
OH man Stork's main is in trouble. Nice map abuse Flash.
Flash isn't over committing to that attack on the main though. Not many units there
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United States17042 Posts
stork is getting pushed bacck because of the siege tanks fro mbehind the temple. 11ish gates from stork
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Flash can't mine from 9 becuase of 3 goons, needs to commit some units there to defend
Flash is cementing his push at 6
STARGATE FINALLY FROM STORK
vultures pick off zealots etc from storks army and stork is now expanding to 1 natural
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game at a standstill, stork is macroing like a beast
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Flash's laddering units into that gap is causing Stork extreme headaches. Vessels out for Flash.
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so much multitasking from flash
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Flash is at 2-2, as the commentator notes.
Stork going Arbiter or Carrier. Who knows? Arbiter probably, Flash is sticking with vultures.
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United States17042 Posts
flash is trying to get scouting with those vults while pressuring the main with the tanks. interesting, 2-2 grades for flash I think .Stork has awesome gate placement, almost like he was expecting those siege tanks
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Storks going to lose his main at this rate.
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Stork's just going to run into Flash's main.
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huge zlot army with goons and temps
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Stork needs to storm 9.
Stork taking top right natural, his 5'th base.
And Yes Stork has a huge army. I don't thing Flash has many units.
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llllllllllol. Storks main is being destroyed...
OH MAN!!!! ATTACK ON THE MAIN
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Flash repels Stork's push!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Flash isn't playing well imo, he's played this wayyyy too passive and given stork a fightign chance
Flash still trying to push into Stork's main from 6, but not really working too well..
STORK COUNTERING FLASHS MAINNNNNNNNNNNNNN
OMG
BARRACKS/EBAY WALL DOING A GOOD JOB OF STOPPING GOONS
BUT ZEALTS/STORM RAPEEEEEEEe
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United States17042 Posts
flash has science vessels, and he's starting to build stuff at 1. wall is out for flash, and stork's having toruble getting through.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
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Stork just lost a LOT of units for not much gain..
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stork's economy is too strong now
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Oh god... Flash play scares me... I hate being a fan.. -_-
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Flash fends it off somehow, but is definitely behind now.
Stork adding gateways like no other.
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how the hell does stork stop that AGAIN??
EDIT: er flash**
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
WOW EPIC DEFENSE BY FLASH - just managed to save his natural
the push at 6 isn't gaining any serious ground
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United States17042 Posts
flash holds it off, becuase that's a pretty narrow entrance. stork is strying to replace his gateways by rebuilding them at 1. I hope that he kills his temple at 1
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flash is screwing with stork in his main
the dropship keeps ferrying shit over and annoying stork
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Flash isn't going to give up he' sjust playing super defensive. He's just wasting tanks in Stork's main though.
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that 1 dropship is causing so much damage.....
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Flash is going to lose! AHHHHH
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Reading these LR's is making me nervous as hell, Flash better take this shit.
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Shit Flash is getting into deep shit it looks like.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
FlaShs takes out a gateway, but his main push is CURB STOMPED.
6 IN TROUBLE.
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stork storms away the tanks shelling his main. does stork have speedlots yet?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork has arbiters buildling afaik... Storm clears out the sting of 6 so he can now live in peace for a bit..
Flash pushing the natural of Stork - Stork will have a tough time defending!
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nice storms to clear out the tanks behind the temples finally
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Stork cleans up Flash's forward position at 5 with storm.
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United States17042 Posts
stork is trying to retake his main, he's putting up a pretty good defnese so far. flash is trying to turn the tables by pushing stork before he has a chance to macro up an army.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
WHy isn't Stork attacking 6, he killed all of Flash's tanks there.
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Huge mine splashes on all the zealots. Flash is going to win!! lolllllllll. PLEASE
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Flash is last ditch efforing his way into Stork's main/nat. . Stork's arbiters now pop.
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stork retakes his main, this game is sick.
ok apparently my stream is behind, i'll stop.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork trying to break out but nice mines and vultures save the day..
first arbiter out for Stork
Flashs push is too strong atm
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Arbiter coming and Flash has no science vessels left for EMP.
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how is flash still in this, it's 6 base versus 3.5
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United States17042 Posts
lots of tanks for flash, arb out for stork, flash has stork contained. stork should be able to get a pretty good flak with his units at 1
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who else here thinks that zealots should cost 125 min and 3 supply?
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not looking good for stork, getting contained
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
6 is about to get raped it looks, but Stork's nat is in trouble!
Moment of truth right here!
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Ugh Flash, protip: dont seige up on your own mines.
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United States17042 Posts
flash pushes in, manages to get vultures through, stork is strying to hold off flash, but the tanks are nailing units easily.
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That was some sweet zeal bombing by Stork. Damn, if Flash wins this. Stork's really struggling to defend this.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Flash expanding to 11 natural
Stork doing some nice zealot bombs, but its not enough
Flash will kill off Stork's natural despite his best storms
Stork isn't using his arbiter? lol
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stork in big trouble, flash has a strong hold on him
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i cant get a good feed too many people on right now
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Stork takes out Flash's expo attempt in upper left.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Stork is going to Flank the nat push with units from the top of the map.
Stork's nat is still mining btw.
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United States17042 Posts
moment of truth is right, this is where we see if stork has enough units to break flash's contain with an amazing flaank. stork's nat is getting worked right now, he's going to need to run in right now to save it.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork attacking 11natural with DT/Goon - FLASH IS LOW ON SCANS NIE PLAY BY STORK :O!
two arbiters now for stork
Stork's army can't touch flashes
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On December 14 2008 14:38 Qwertify wrote:
who else here thinks that zealots should cost 125 min and 3 supply?
nobody that is just ridiculous think about how raped protoss would be early game if this happened.
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United States17042 Posts
flash knows that he's behind, he's going to need to hold off this contain so that he can macro up enough units to deal with the arb/stasis.
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How is Flash making this a game? Stork has twice the number of bases.
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OH shit I think Flash just lost, Stasis + a great surround.
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NICEE FLANK BY STORK, STASISING VESSEL, AND SANDWICHING FLASH'S UNITS
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stork with excellent flank!!, surrounds stasis'd tanks + vessel
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How stork defended his nat is just beyond my understanding
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash is smart and sends units top to intercept the flank. Stork loses units carelessly.
BUT HE BREAKS THE PUSH, FLASH IS IN TROUBLE!
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Flash: "thought I was gonna sneeze"
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United States17042 Posts
flash is keeping the contain well, and is preventing himself from getting flanked. 2 stargates out for stork, and flash needs to get up his third.
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United States10774 Posts
hahahah stork rapes flash
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Why does everyone think Flash is ahead? Stork's has twice the econ.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Nice stasis on flash's vessel =/
Stork is fighting hard!
Two gate arbs atm and 11natural jjust didn't happen
Stork trying to break flashes push atm anddd
he failed miserable
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United States17042 Posts
lag lag lag lag lag ><;;
flash is pushed back to his nat, flash is going t obe in trouble and probably die soon <>;;
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ROFL I SAW THE STORK FACE!
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noot lookin good for flash
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
watttt terrible control from flash and he manages to lose the battle WTF
stork is going to win o.O
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United States17042 Posts
stork just rocked flash, I think that's going t obe game.
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looks like stork is gonna take this
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1 zeal completely owns flash's expo, forcing him to lift and send scvs away
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United States10774 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:41 thunk wrote:
Why does everyone think Flash is ahead? Stork's has twice the econ.
stork is ahead by FAR
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Fucking Stork is so BALLER
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Stork attacking near 6. Looks like the armies would have traded but stork pulls through with 6 goons.
Wth is up with 6 oclock? I think it's down.
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Of course flash is struggling, stork has so many expansions. In fact, I lost count.
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stork has this, unless he chokes big time again
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United States17042 Posts
and there's lag again, lame. Thunk, get out here so we arn't running two streams.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
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I think leg speed just finished for Stork. I swear he didn't have leg speed in the last battle.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork is almost dry at most of his bases, Flash has a decent chunk of minerals left
Stork has 3 arbs and is about to push into Flashs natural!!
WHERE IS FLASHES UNITS?!
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where are those arbs going?
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stork randomly flying around 3 arbiters o.O
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United States17042 Posts
3 arbs, flash is still trying to defend. goons are melting to 3/3. I wonder when flash is going to decide to expand
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Stork flying around with a bunch of arbitors stasising vulture raids
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Stork taking 12 - he still has a fearsome army with like 4-5 arbs now
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Go home Ghostclaw. All you do is steal my stuff anyways. You could always come into my room but I don't want you sitting on my bed.
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This has gotten so even again
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Recalls into the depo's. GG
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There's a recall in Flash's Main and that should be GG.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
9 will soon be mined out for Flash.
MASSIVE RECALL IN FLASH MAIN
THIS CUD B GG.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
RECALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL IN FLASHS MAINNNNNNNNN
NIE STASIS ON FLASHS VESSELS
OMGGGGGGGGGGggg
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It's over for FlaSh. Damn... way to play passive man
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this is over man, double recal in main
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United States17042 Posts
flash has a ton more units again, fstork's running in for the recall. that's going to be gg >.> stasis of the vessel, all the arbs are living.
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stream dies on recall WOW
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
DOUBLE RECALLSSSSSSSSSSSS
THAT IS RECALL OF GG
FLASH IS OVERFLOWING WITH SAD
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United States17042 Posts
stork get's flash's units before they can even sige, flash is trying to counter, flash gg's
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
G_G_G_G_GG_G_G_G_G_G_G
STORK TAKES THE WIN WTF
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flash gg's
stork looks pretty happy
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GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEE Geee
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flashes army is in the middle of the map, have a nice trip back to the main!
Oh wait Flash is movign his army forward!
But it hets intercepted and Flash GG's
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
HAHAHA
despite flash's futile attempts to abuse this garbage map as much as possible he still got trounced
I'm so happy
<3 stork
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FUCK STORK, I SWEAR I FUCKING HATE THAT MOTHER FUCKER
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LOL flash timidly smiles as he gg's
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I seem to see a tendency from Flash to play very passively when he plays strong players. But when it comes to scrubs he just rolls them. I dun get it...
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Wow. Fucking Flash that was awful play -_-.
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On December 14 2008 14:43 thunk wrote:
Go home Ghostclaw. All you do is steal my stuff anyways. You could always come into my room but I don't want you sitting on my bed.
lolll grudge match gogo
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On December 14 2008 14:40 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:38 Qwertify wrote:
who else here thinks that zealots should cost 125 min and 3 supply? nobody that is just ridiculous think about how raped protoss would be early game if this happened.
we can balance it out by making the Magus Talisman Upgrade free.
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Stork looks happy. Flash is like, "well, shit dude..."
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what a fucking beautiful pvt
any other A-rank protoss would have crumbled in midgame when flash pushed out + that dropship harass
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL!
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imma go eat guys, the next game does not interest me D:
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Ugh. Well played by Stork, hopefully Flash recovers in time to stomp Rock tonight.
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WHOA~ What a game.
Truly #1 #2 worthy.
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United States17042 Posts
flash showed why this map is so good for T, but stork manages to take the game on the map no problem.
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stork's dt drop was actually very successful. It contained flash and stork was able to double expand, and adding a 4th very soon too..
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That's it,
Stork > Flash
Juni < Tempest
FBH > 815
Jangbi > Luxury
Looks like my liquibet is safe for this one.
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On December 14 2008 14:45 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:43 thunk wrote:
Go home Ghostclaw. All you do is steal my stuff anyways. You could always come into my room but I don't want you sitting on my bed. lolll grudge match gogo
I think I'm still better than him but I think it'd be close. Robbie's been playing a lot lately.
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I really don't care about Fantasy PL as 90% of the people above me probably have Flash anyways. Sounds like a GG, I'll be sure to catch the VODs tomorrow.
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And Flash looks disgusted
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
cmon KTF dont lose -.-;; (if khan lose MBC jump to thirdddd)
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On December 14 2008 14:45 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:43 thunk wrote:
Go home Ghostclaw. All you do is steal my stuff anyways. You could always come into my room but I don't want you sitting on my bed. lolll grudge match gogo
rofl, i didn't even see it the first time.
I don't get great internet access in your room, becuase you're too far away from the access pt.
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Flash still cant beleive it , nice game
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On December 14 2008 14:45 Plexa wrote:
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL!
lol are you serious?
He had 4 nexus so fast and wasn't behind.
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so it looked like flash only wanted to push with 2-2 and tried to harass/map abuse his way there, stork expected that and grabbed a shitload of expansions, and though flash's push came close stork's economy kicked in right in time
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United States17042 Posts
flash just looks annoyed, like he knows he should have had that game >.>
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On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG.
but wasnt their last encounter from the Finals where Stork lost 0-3?
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On December 14 2008 14:44 shavingcream66 wrote:
LOL flash timidly smiles as he gg's
god damn--t
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save yourself for GOM flash.... plz
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Meh, who cares boys, flash 3-0ed where it counts
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On December 14 2008 14:46 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:45 blabber wrote:On December 14 2008 14:43 thunk wrote:
Go home Ghostclaw. All you do is steal my stuff anyways. You could always come into my room but I don't want you sitting on my bed. lolll grudge match gogo rofl, i didn't even see it the first time. I don't get great internet access in your room, becuase you're too far away from the access pt.
You could watch the stream over my shoulder, like a normal person.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 14 2008 14:45 Plexa wrote:
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL! he wasnt behind much
he stalled flash's mining at the natural for long enough
and he saw that flash was going fac armory port scifac 2nd armory before even adding a 2nd fac..., so he could just expand like mad
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On December 14 2008 14:46 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:45 Plexa wrote:
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL! lol are you serious? He had 4 nexus so fast and wasn't behind.
stork got away with double expanding after dt harass that wasn't that great. Flash didn't really scout either 3 or 1 anywhere near fast enough
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On December 14 2008 14:46 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. but wasnt their last encounter from the Finals where Stork lost 0-3?
So. Stork is 7-4 all time so he > Flash ^^
Stork is more accomplished anyway regarding individual leagues.
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Just tuning in guys. I see Stork beat Flash, anyone wanna give me a quick summary of the game?
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On December 14 2008 14:45 zhaoli86 wrote:
stork's dt drop was actually very successful. It contained flash and stork was able to double expand, and adding a 4th very soon too..
That's because Flash played VERY passively. Stork for a long time had practically no units and Flash could've simply pushed into Stork's main easily.
Stork massively expanded because he was so behind that he had to play risky.
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I'm curious how much eAPM would be required to select 2 tanks and target goons while targeting zealots with vultures and checking health of goons so that you only put 1 tank on low health ones?
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Replay showing the battle Flash should have won -_-. Damn you Flash...
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On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG.
How is he 7-4 against a guy he lost TWO BO5 finals to?
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On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG.
How is that even possible? Flash beat Stork in two Bo5 finals meaning he should have six wins, at least.
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On December 14 2008 14:46 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:45 Plexa wrote:
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL! lol are you serious? He had 4 nexus so fast and wasn't behind.
agreed, stork wasn't behind. he had plenty of expos running; just needed to buy time for the macro to kick in
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whts with the flash hate btw?
i see mad post talking about "fuck you flash" or " u suck i hate u flash"
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On December 14 2008 14:46 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. but wasnt their last encounter from the Finals where Stork lost 0-3?
yep, also beat stork 3-2 in the GSI finals around the same time
most of stork's wins over flash are from 2007 which was not the same flash we know and love
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On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. No he isnt...
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On December 14 2008 14:48 GHOSTCLAW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 SuperJongMan wrote:On December 14 2008 14:45 Plexa wrote:
that was a travesty of a game seriously
Stork was so behind then dumb passive play coupled with poor micro and decision making from Flash lost him the game. THATS RIGHT FLASH - SLAP YOURSELF IN THE FACE YOU PLAYED TERRIBEL! lol are you serious? He had 4 nexus so fast and wasn't behind. stork got away with double expanding after dt harass that wasn't that great. Flash didn't really scout either 3 or 1 anywhere near fast enough
Yeah cuz he could?
Flash had barely 3 fact up when Stork had the obs spying.
What the hell are you guys watching?
Art of abusing fast upgrading Flash 101, by Papa Stork.
That game was beautiful by both sides. If it wasn't Stork, Flash wins.
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On December 14 2008 14:45 SilverskY wrote:
I seem to see a tendency from Flash to play very passively when he plays strong players. But when it comes to scrubs he just rolls them. I dun get it...
When its against a top player its much harder  .
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the 815 match vs firebat hero is every more so important now.
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You know, Stork showed a lot of maturity here. He went arbiters instead of carriers, to counter Flash's vulture play. A lesser Stork would have gone Carriers and let Flash come back.
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MORE CRAZY MBCGAME COMMENTATORS LOL
edit: aww its one of those ones where you need to know Korean to understand and not one of the good crazy screaming ones
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On December 14 2008 14:48 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. How is he 7-4 against a guy he lost TWO BO5 finals to?
On December 14 2008 14:48 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. How is that even possible? Flash beat Stork in two Bo5 finals meaning he should have six wins, at least.
GSI doesn't count. It's not only not Kespa sanctioned, but was a special INVITE event.
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On December 14 2008 14:48 Roxen000 wrote:
Just tuning in guys. I see Stork beat Flash, anyone wanna give me a quick summary of the game?
Do not read anything. It will be such a waste not to see the full game. Just wait for the VOD to come out. Please, it's worth the wait.
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see,
protoss is unbalanced,
they need to make probes 60 minerals or something
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I'm confused with these statistics of Stork against Flash.
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Khan scared KTF away lol, their bench is empty :D
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That guy saying that overall its 7-4, its atcully 9-7
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flash never made that huge ball
stork cut his units from time to time
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Stork was never behind. He was sacrificing units because he knew he would run Flash over like that. I'm surprised Flash held on for so long.
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On December 14 2008 14:47 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, who cares boys, flash 3-0ed where it counts
Lol, don't try to shrug it off. The fact that you had to say that means that you do care. 
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On December 14 2008 14:50 Scaramanga wrote:
That guy saying that overall its 7-4, its atcully 9-7
some games don't count
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On December 14 2008 14:50 Scaramanga wrote:
That guy saying that overall its 7-4, its atcully 9-7
GSI doesn't count.
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On December 14 2008 14:50 Qwertify wrote:
see,
protoss is unbalanced,
they need to make probes 60 minerals or something
Whats your problem tonight?
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*Public Service Announcement* The GSI wasn't counted in the TLPD for ELO or record much like the STX Master Cup and other special events.
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I loved watching Flash's SCVs retreating through mass Dragoons and getting slaughtered. Great game and the better player won :D
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GSI is a special event, it was invite only, it wasnt Kespa sanctioned.
I am going to repeat this a few times because some people don't read the thread.
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That fighting game actually looks kind of fun.
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On December 14 2008 14:50 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:47 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, who cares boys, flash 3-0ed where it counts Lol, don't try to shrug it off. The fact that you had to say that means that you do care.
No im just pointing out the fact that osl > one game of proleauge
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On December 14 2008 14:51 Solinren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:50 Qwertify wrote:
see,
protoss is unbalanced,
they need to make probes 60 minerals or something Whats your problem tonight?
sorry, still not over CJ's loss
*sigh*
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Stork gambled after that DT drop and Flash. Stork didn't show any fear and overexpaned while Flash was staying on 2 base and going for double upgrades&drops and a late third.
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I'm sorry for Rock,  Flash will get his bloody revenge in 3 hours
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On December 14 2008 14:51 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:50 Scaramanga wrote:
That guy saying that overall its 7-4, its atcully 9-7 GSI doesn't count.
Why dosent gsi count?
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What you guys must be shitting me
Stork was behind for the most of the early game. His DT drop completely fucking failed and then his expansions were wayyyy late. Flash had the economic advantage at that point - but he just sat there and took his third/fourth at standard timing when he should have taken it much earlier. Stork then triple expanded (essentially) to catch up in macro and because Flash just fucking sat there Stork managed to comeback and win
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That DT Goon attack by Stork and that hold by Flash, then the meticulous drop/cliff/building abuse by Flash and clamly holding by Stork ~_~. The fast 4 Nex seeing slow fact increase, the expo mining stalls, Then the clam natural stall... O man, that game was so good by both. ~_~
How do you push a protoss with 1-0 and 3 factories? -_-;; He has templar tech and his goon base never was hurt even after the natural attack. Whaa.aa
And his 4th was ridiculously fast.
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On December 14 2008 14:52 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:51 TheTyranid wrote:On December 14 2008 14:50 Scaramanga wrote:
That guy saying that overall its 7-4, its atcully 9-7 GSI doesn't count. Why dosent gsi count?
Special event.
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On December 14 2008 14:44 Carnac wrote:
HAHAHA
despite flash's futile attempts to abuse this garbage map as much as possible he still got trounced
I'm so happy
<3 stork
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On December 14 2008 14:52 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:50 BanZu wrote:On December 14 2008 14:47 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, who cares boys, flash 3-0ed where it counts Lol, don't try to shrug it off. The fact that you had to say that means that you do care. No im just pointing out the fact that osl > one game of proleauge
And Stork > Flash in terms of overall skill, accomplishments, and success.
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On December 14 2008 14:52 TheTyranid wrote:GSI is a special event, it was invite only, it wasnt Kespa sanctioned. I am going to repeat this a few times because some people don't read the thread.
I wouldn't contest that the record shouldn't include GSI, however I think it's deceptive to state Stork's record against Flash as though him winning the matchup is to be expected when Flash was clearly much stronger than him in their matches earlier in the year.
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plexa, i agree stork was at a disadvantage. there defeinitly was a timing window but flash decided to play it safe; he thought he could win with full upgrades, and instead did the dropship ferrying trick.
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On December 14 2008 14:52 johanes wrote:I'm sorry for Rock, Flash will get his bloody revenge in 3 hours
lol
oh yeahz, I'm sure Rock was thinking the same thing.
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and now my VLC link doesnt work
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I dont think Stork was behind at all throughout the game. The dt drop was a tremendous success. Flash had to pull scvs to main back and forth, by which time stork's expo was already up, and his third like 30% done or something.
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On December 14 2008 14:54 Plexa wrote:and now my VLC link doesnt work
Daum Sports man.
It's always lagless for me.
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Plexa and I stay civilized. -_-;; I just think he's totally wrong.
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Stop arguing on whos better or not, both players have good and bad days, just enjoy the rest of the match!
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On December 14 2008 14:53 SuperJongMan wrote:
That DT Goon attack by Stork and that hold by Flash, then the meticulous drop/cliff/building abuse by Flash and clamly holding by Stork ~_~. The fast 4 Nex seeing slow fact increase, the expo mining stalls, Then the clam natural stall... O man, that game was so good by both. ~_~
How do you push a protoss with 1-0 and 3 factories? -_-;; He has templar tech and his goon base never was hurt even after the natural attack. Whaa.aa
And his 4th was ridiculously fast. Stork did minimal damage with his DT/Goon attack - it was cute but it put him wayyyy behind. Stork played excellent despite this; and Flash didn't play correctly following his initial advantage.
How can you say that game was good by Flash -.-;; that was just a brilliant game by Stork and shitfest from Flash
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If Tempest doesn't win it's over for KTF.
And damn Flash, what happened to the genius play from Bacchus!? This hurts . At least lose in style
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On December 14 2008 14:55 TheTyranid wrote:Daum Sports man. It's always lagless for me.
Yeah, today after 15th refresh, but is flawless
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On December 14 2008 14:53 Plexa wrote:
What you guys must be shitting me
Stork was behind for the most of the early game. His DT drop completely fucking failed and then his expansions were wayyyy late. Flash had the economic advantage at that point - but he just sat there and took his third/fourth at standard timing when he should have taken it much earlier. Stork then triple expanded (essentially) to catch up in macro and because Flash just fucking sat there Stork managed to comeback and win
Stork's 2nd and 3rd were quite timely. And his DT/goon attacks slowed Flash down a lot more than one may seem. Flash may have been even, at best, but then he started burning units dropping Stork's main and the game went downhill from there. Stork didn't take any more bases after Flash's 3/4 because he didn't need to. He knew he was set for at least 4 or 5 more minutes of the game.
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tempest at bottom right, juni at top left
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Game 2: Colosseum II
Tempest @ 5
Juni @ 11
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On December 14 2008 14:55 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I sense a flame war.
Any discussion about Stork becomes a flame war because we Stork lovers love him so much and so many people hate him so. I kinda like Flash, though, just not as much.
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game 2 started
cross positions
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Wow should be a macro game, the positions on this map are so far away cross positions.
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Juni has a pretty good chance of winning.
His play vs Tester was good.
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What did Flash do so wrong that made it a shit storm?
Stork's nice storms to clean up the main harass is pretty hard to stop with sieged tanks. O well.
He grabbed a brilliant timing to push out. He couldn't push at a faster time imo. His factories were really late because of the DT drop. I think the frontal attack didn't set Stork back at all. How many tanks did Flash lose? At least 3. Maybe even 4. What do you expect from Flash? God mode?
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Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
anyway tempest going forge first and double scouting
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On December 14 2008 14:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Any discussion about Stork becomes a flame war because we Stork lovers love him so much and so many people hate him so. I kinda like Flash, though, just not as much.
i think more about flash since most people either really love him or really hate him
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Tempest/Junwi;
Tempest Blue p5
Junwi White Z11.
Tempest goes standard forge first and Junwi goes 12 hatch. 3rd hatch at expo.
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Tempest scouts juni 12hatch/12pool and goes nexus before cannons
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Damnit did juni lose a drone to a probe? lol
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Juni takes his third hatch at the expo
Tempest goes gate before cannons
Pretty much standard so far
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Damn, game one has only just finished and this thread is ALREADY longer than the ACE CJ thread.
No love for the old school
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lol, tempest kills a drone with his scouting probe
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Junwi is going to prevent scouting. Nice job by him, I guess.
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On December 14 2008 15:00 TheTyranid wrote:Damn, game one has only just finished and this thread is ALREADY longer than the ACE CJ thread. No love for the old school
Don't worry it was a Friday night. Everyone's out. I heard the matches were really good.
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Samsung's last badass zerg... Jju -_-;;
I feel rape. Maybe 3-1 Samsung - -
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So nothing interesting going on except juni adding his 4th hatch right on the edge of the highground at his 3rd expo
Tempest has his core up and Juni is teching hydra
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On December 14 2008 15:00 TheTyranid wrote:Damn, game one has only just finished and this thread is ALREADY longer than the ACE CJ thread. No love for the old school
Current school will be old too someday, and then you will tell your grandchilds stories about long threads ;-)
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hero probe returns home
tempest starting nexus
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Yea, it has to be a break. There's no lair tech.
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Lair just started. Oh here's the timing.
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Tempest responding by putting up 4 more gateways
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Oh my fucking god tempest. CANNON UP. YOU SCOUTED THIS
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Tempest is scouting really well with his probe
Juni has no lair yet, so im sensing some hydra allin or sauron zerg coming up
Tempest however knows everything thats going on and has added a stargate (building a corsair atm)
OH LOL nice juni - juni is faking hydra allin and once the probe dies he immediately techs lair
Corsair wil socut this soon though..
Tempest adding like 4 gateways before citadel
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plus 1 legs it looks like from tempest considering the gateway count
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Junwi, what type of timing was that? Attack so there's just enough units for Tempest to stop you?
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I just always wanted to ask, what does it mean when korean comentators say "kurosimida"?
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Hydra/ling is fucking up tempests units but Tempest will defend with mass units - however Juni doesn't care as he just faked the all-in
spire techgoing up
Hydra w/range are hitting the forward gateway of tempest
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juni takes out gateway blocking tempest's choke
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tempest pushing out now, leg speed should be ready soon
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When Stork was expanding his 3rd nexus
Kang min said something like this...
"He has seen that Flash has only two factories
and assumes that Flash has less or no intent to push fast.
So he goes for the 4th nexus.
This is a 'extremely; good decision."
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Tempest is just going to have leg speed and roll Junwi.
Junwi was actually able produce a lot of units.
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On December 14 2008 15:04 thunk wrote:
Junwi, what type of timing was that? Attack so there's just enough units for Tempest to stop you? it was a fake timing attack to make tempest overreact like he did haha
Tempest is playing right into juni's hands i think
mass zealot going across the map, corsair almost dead... SPEED IS DONE AND JUNI HAS LOTS OF HYDRA OMGGG THE ARMIES ENGAG ANDDDDDDDDDDDD
SICK SICKSCISKCISCKSIC
TEMPEST RAPESSSS
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1+ is done legs now done as well
pure zealots marching 2 juni's base
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No, Tempest hit the speed zeal timing.
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TEMPESTS ZEALOTS EAT THROUGH JUNI'S HYDRAS
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mutas out, but tempest has 2 archons to defend
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mutas clean up zealots, juni going for some kind of harrass with mutas
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JUNI HAS MUTALSISKS OUT BUT LOSING LOTS OF DRONES TO ZEALOTS - HE MAY LOSE HIS NATURAL
TEMPEST IS TAKING HIS THIRD
MUTA SAVE THE NATURAL
TEMPESTS ATTACK IS OVER - JUNI WITH LOTS OF MUTA
tempets has made 2 archons and is pumping sairs
mutas come in and shut down the third...
TEMPEST IS COUNTRINGGGG?G?GG
LURKERS OUT
COUNTER WILL FAILLL
MUTAS KILLING TEMPESTS NATURAL
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Juni defends, but damn that was rough.
Juni's mutas are harassing the expo.
NICE MUTAS DOING A LOT OF DAMAGE TO PROBES.
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On December 14 2008 15:04 johanes wrote:
I just always wanted to ask, what does it mean when korean comentators say "kurosimida"?
"kurosimida" = "yes that's right" or "i agree" in a very polite way
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Tempest choose to counter?
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... wth tempest is ignoring those mutas
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Ugh KTF is about to get 3-0'ed
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Tempest has no income. GG
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this is insaneeee
JUNI HAS JUST RAPED ALL OF TEMPESTS EXPOS WITH HYDRA
TEMPEST I SBASICALLY ALL IN
AND LURKERS ARE DEFENDING EASILYYYY
TEMPEST IS GIONG TO LOSE
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Tempest is gonna lose so bad lawl.
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Junwi had such a sicking I'm not going to lie.
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Tempest's attack on the 3'rd gets repelled by hydras!!!!
JUNIS MUTAS ARE RAPING TEMPEST.
LURKERS IN THE 3'RD OF TEMPES.
JUNI IS SO PIMP! !
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muts might win the game :O
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I AM FUCKING DISGUSTED/ENRAGED
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Man, Tempest could've played it safe after the initial zealot push and won this game easily...
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wtf is wrong with tempest, rolled like that..
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wow tempest... way to throw out the game man
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Juni RAPING TMEPESTS NATURAL AND SENDING A MASS OF HYDRA TO ATTACK
tempest has an archon to defend but this is O-VERRRRRRRRR
juni just raped tempest!!
GGGGGG
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JUNI LOOKING FUCKING BALLER
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juni pushes in with mutas, hydras, and 2 lurks
tempest can't hold and gg's
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that was quite possibly the ugliest pvz I've ever seen...
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tempest looks VERY pissed and has a "oh my god how did i make such a stupid decision" face on
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That was great timing by Junwi. It was worth reiterating.
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FBH gonna make it 3-0 Khan. Though... Stork losing to Flash woulda made my night.
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oh man nothing going right for KTF tonight..
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On December 14 2008 14:58 Plexa wrote:
Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
Did we watch the same game? Flash was uber aggressive with his vultures and harassment. He had a tank drop push into stork's main too. A weaker protoss would have broken then, but Stork handled it very well. It was an excellent game played by boht players; Not a shitfest from Flash.
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rofl tempest threw away the game
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Damn I wanted to see Jangbi vs Luxury but I don't ant FBH to lose.
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What the hell.
You beat Jaedong through good play and then that? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
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how the hell did tempest beat jaedong?!
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Why did Tempest push out with his first 2 archons when there were about 15 muties in his base?
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I'm glad Plexa was able to live report that I wouldn't have been able to type that out.
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so he used archons to attack rather than defend the mutas.... that cool if u liek losing i guess
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Woo hoo eat that Tempest you speedlot rushing dick
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On December 14 2008 15:09 EpiK wrote:
that was quite possibly the ugliest pvz I've ever seen...
that was actually pretty cool Tempest made some bad decisions though, seems to be the trend with KTF players today
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why the hell did he choose to counter when his archons were right in his base ready to defend the mutas...
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On December 14 2008 15:09 thunk wrote:
That was great timing by Junwi. It was worth reiterating.
Both players are terrible. Tempest could have stayed home to defend and secured his advantage, it wasn't that Juni was great, it is that Tempest was reallllly stupid.
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Whoa. Narrow hold and nice tech switch. Really nice hold. That was huge zealot train.
Silly 2nd attack from Tempest though...
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Dang, I want Khan to lose so Lecaf can be #1
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also, are they playing Sum 41 music in the background?
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I don't know why he did that counter, had more then enough to defend. What an awful decision. Atrioc, read my sig.
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Wow! Khan taking the two games they were underdogs in(Stork v Flash mainly because of the map). KTF is going to have a hard time winning with FBH and Jangbi coming up.
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KTF lost the two games they were favored in. Bah.
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what a goddamn moron...why run my units into lurkers instead of defending..and he didnt even use the 2 corsairs..
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so glad juni won. am i the only one who finds that new archon zeal rush extremely gay?
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KHAN 2-0 KTF...I've been doing very poorly in Liquibet over the last 1-2 weeks. =(
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On December 14 2008 15:09 d(O.o)a wrote:
Why did Tempest push out with his first 2 archons when there were about 15 muties in his base? he assumed Juni was going hard muta and his push would have raped hard muta easily and it would have force juni to defend instead of attack. However, juni had lurkers and well he had no obs it was a poor decision and relied on Juni doing something fairly illogical
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On December 14 2008 15:09 Athos wrote:
Did we watch the same game?
I think that you not being that well-versed in SC terminology is the cause.
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On December 14 2008 15:09 Athos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:58 Plexa wrote:
Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
Did we watch the same game? Flash was uber aggressive with his vultures and harassment. He had a tank drop push into stork's main too. A weaker protoss would have broken then, but Stork handled it very well. It was an excellent game played by boht players; Not a shitfest from Flash.
To be agressive with vultures or with expansions are 2 very different things
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FBH 3-0 Sweep gogogo!
I hate samsung but the enemy of my enemy!!!!
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Wow Juni looked great there - pretty decent hydra vs. zealot micro when it was necessary. Great muta counter, plus he did a lot of great little things like splitting mutas when a sair arrived and sniping HTs.
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imo tempest came out ahead after the speedlot build (thats how FE used to be played btw, FE -> 5gate +1 speedlot timing push). But then that counter... that counter was so badddd
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On December 14 2008 15:10 spydernoob wrote:
so glad juni won. am i the only one who finds that new archon zeal rush extremely gay?
1+ legs with archon support has been around for awhile dude
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On December 14 2008 15:10 spydernoob wrote:
so glad juni won. am i the only one who finds that new archon zeal rush extremely gay?
But he won cause tempest is a moron, not because he overcame the strat.
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On December 14 2008 15:09 Athos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:58 Plexa wrote:
Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
Did we watch the same game? Flash was uber aggressive with his vultures and harassment. He had a tank drop push into stork's main too. A weaker protoss would have broken then, but Stork handled it very well. It was an excellent game played by boht players; Not a shitfest from Flash.
Not at all. Flash sucked it up big time by being extremely passive with his build after the failed DT drop. There were some cute moves from both sides, but Flash didn't play that game well at all
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On December 14 2008 14:48 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 14:46 EntertainMe wrote:On December 14 2008 14:46 TheTyranid wrote:
Stork > Flash.
Stork is now 7-4 against Flash, GG. but wasnt their last encounter from the Finals where Stork lost 0-3? So. Stork is 7-4 all time so he > Flash ^^ Stork is more accomplished anyway regarding individual leagues.
Stork has been around more than twice as long as Flash though.
I got both Stork and Flash on my Fantasy team!!
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On December 14 2008 15:12 sung_moon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:10 spydernoob wrote:
so glad juni won. am i the only one who finds that new archon zeal rush extremely gay? 1+ legs with archon support has been around for awhile dude
i know its older, but it seems like everyone does it now.
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815! Make RH3 the new Bluestorm!
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girls screaming at FBH as if they were having a huge orgasm
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did not want Juni to win that one, nor did I want stork to win but we'll see how things work out and if somehow 815 manages to win than I expect a nice ceremony...
+ Show Spoiler +too bad it won't happen
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On December 14 2008 15:11 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Wow Juni looked great there - pretty decent hydra vs. zealot micro when it was necessary. Great muta counter, plus he did a lot of great little things like splitting mutas when a sair arrived and sniping HTs.
No he didn't lol. He was behind until tempest was reallly stupid and decided to counter. He got his army massively flanked by a number of zlots they could have potentially beaten. His play was not at all good.
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On December 14 2008 15:11 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:09 Athos wrote:On December 14 2008 14:58 Plexa wrote:
Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
Did we watch the same game? Flash was uber aggressive with his vultures and harassment. He had a tank drop push into stork's main too. A weaker protoss would have broken then, but Stork handled it very well. It was an excellent game played by boht players; Not a shitfest from Flash. To be agressive with vultures or with expansions are 2 very different things Basically Storks decision to triple expo left him with very few units, Flashs options were to hard push (vs DT? too risky) or to take his 3rd fast as well. Instead he just slow played the game, and suffered as a result.
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Not only that, if Junwi had chosen to go lurker instead of muta he probably would have lost to the speedzeal rush. The Muta allowed him to counter, too.
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FBH better lose this; I was looking forward to luxury vs jangbi
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TEMPEST MAKE KANG MIN MAD!!!! DOOA SMASH!
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On December 14 2008 15:13 spydernoob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:12 sung_moon wrote:On December 14 2008 15:10 spydernoob wrote:
so glad juni won. am i the only one who finds that new archon zeal rush extremely gay? 1+ legs with archon support has been around for awhile dude i know its older, but it seems like everyone does it now.
No thats a different build. The build is like a Archon, Dt, + a number of speedzealots with +1 push
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i love watching krn commercials
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I wish i could understand what they were saying lol
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815 isn't on fire like fbh is. The chances of a 3-0 is high.
I really hope 815 somehow wins so that we can see Jangbi fight Luxury.
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I think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game.
Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos?
How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships.
His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor.
Vulture Drop -> Slow Push, since Stork had templar+Mass units
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whts that bruce lee commercial?
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On December 14 2008 15:14 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:11 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Wow Juni looked great there - pretty decent hydra vs. zealot micro when it was necessary. Great muta counter, plus he did a lot of great little things like splitting mutas when a sair arrived and sniping HTs. No he didn't lol. He was behind until tempest was reallly stupid and decided to counter. He got his army massively flanked by a number of zlots they could have potentially beaten. His play was not at all good.
whatevs im proud of him lol
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JUNI VS TEMPEST
there is no excuse for tempest losing that game except that he has horrible horrible decision making, which makes his wins over Jaedong that much more fucked.
he was dominating after his +1 attack, which is just a stupidly good build, and instead of dealing with the immediate threat to him (the mutas) comfortably with his two archons and corsairs, which would have left him 3 base vs 3 base ready to roll his way to victory he makes the dumbass decision to counter.
Jaedong lost to this kid with good mechanics but horrible decision making because this speedlot --> archon build is so fucking good that the slightest misstep by zerg and you are done. Even in this game had a few things gone microscopically differently (namely with Tempest focus firing something instead of running around not doing any permanent damage) , Juni could have lost a hatchery, his spire, etc. and Tempest would be astronomically ahead instead of just decently ahead like he was when he threw it away.
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I wonder if Tempest sent out the 2nd attack cuz he wanted the natural hatch super bad and thought 2 archons could tank it through? I dunno what went on in his head - -
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is it just me or krn commercials breaks are freaking long
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:15 shavingcream66 wrote:
i love watching krn commercials
I hate them!
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On December 14 2008 15:17 Qwertify wrote:I know the secret of the 13013 + Show Spoiler +it is the same at the secret of the 13012 what is that? + Show Spoiler +
the same thing as the secret of the 13011
failed.
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On December 14 2008 15:16 SuperJongMan wrote:
I think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game.
Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos?
How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships.
His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor.
I'm arguing that after the failed DT attack he needed to build facts instead of the starport and facility. EDIT: I say this because Flash should have known that Stork was way behind economically because he knows the timings
Plexa is arguing that because Flash DID build the facility and Starport, that he needed to expand quicker. He could have slow pushed to the closest gas expo and just camped there for awhile. Instead he went way too slow.
So our arguments are just different ways Flash could have played the game
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On December 14 2008 15:14 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:11 johanes wrote:On December 14 2008 15:09 Athos wrote:On December 14 2008 14:58 Plexa wrote:
Flash slow played a game where he should have been more aggressive with expansions - thats why he lost
Did we watch the same game? Flash was uber aggressive with his vultures and harassment. He had a tank drop push into stork's main too. A weaker protoss would have broken then, but Stork handled it very well. It was an excellent game played by boht players; Not a shitfest from Flash. To be agressive with vultures or with expansions are 2 very different things Basically Storks decision to triple expo left him with very few units, Flashs options were to hard push (vs DT? too risky) or to take his 3rd fast as well. Instead he just slow played the game, and suffered as a result.
My bad about the expansion thing...its kinda late and I didn't notice that. W/e I think that Flash was under enough pressure in the expansions that he had. I think he banked on his harassment being able to take out some of Stork's expos and it failed. Still a great game played by both parties.
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On December 14 2008 15:18 shavingcream66 wrote:
is it just me or krn commercials breaks are freaking long
well they have to last long enough to get the next game set up i would imagine..
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On December 14 2008 15:16 SuperJongMan wrote:
I think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game.
Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos?
How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships.
His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor.
Vulture Drop -> Slow Push, since Stork had templar+Mass units He didn't need to get vessel, and he didn't get those until much later. He got it for fast +2. What happened, as far as i can remember, was that Flash thought Stork had 3 base not 4 and overestimated the number of unit Stork had (i think he may have also expected 3 base arbiter, which is semi-popular). Of course this meant Flash slow played instead of agressively expand
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On December 14 2008 15:18 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:16 SuperJongMan wrote:
I think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game.
Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos?
How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships.
His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor. I'm arguing that after the failed DT attack he needed to build facts instead of the starport and facility. Plexa is arguing that because Flash DID build the facility and Starport, that he needed to expand quicker. He could have slow pushed to the closest gas expo and just camped there for awhile. Instead he went way too slow. So our arguments are just different ways Flash could have played the game
But if he doesn't get facility, he gets 2 armories for SUPER SPEEDY 1-1???
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Flash showed inflexibility, from what I gather in your comments, that game because it seemed like he was going for his fast upgrades one-punch push when he needed to be more aggressive.
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On December 14 2008 15:17 Atrioc wrote:
JUNI VS TEMPEST
there is no excuse for tempest losing that game except that he has horrible horrible decision making, which makes his wins over Jaedong that much more fucked.
he was dominating after his +1 attack, which is just a stupidly good build, and instead of dealing with the immediate threat to him (the mutas) comfortably with his two archons and corsairs, which would have left him 3 base vs 3 base ready to roll his way to victory he makes the dumbass decision to counter.
Jaedong lost to this kid with good mechanics but horrible decision making because this speedlot --> archon build is so fucking good that the slightest misstep by zerg and you are done. Even in this game had a few things gone microscopically differently (namely with Tempest focus firing something instead of running around not doing any permanent damage) , Juni could have lost a hatchery, his spire, etc. and Tempest would be astronomically ahead instead of just decently ahead like he was when he threw it away.
Oh man I completely agree.
Not only should he not have countered, but instead of splitting out his zealots in a million directions, he should have gone for the Hydra den that was UNDOUBTEDLY at that point going for lurker tech. that or the spire. In the end he took down nothing and lost all his zealots. And then, yeah he threw away his archons while he had nothing to defend with in his main.
I HAVE to assume that he thought that Juni was low on money and a ground army. But no, he wasn't - he had many hydras and lurkers to boot.
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the only thing i have to say is that flash lost too much time and tanks trying to push stork's main with drop ships (too little vult ftl )when he could just push his nat with that..
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It's his fast armoy build, It's inflexible by nature. It's just digustingly strong.
It's like Mike Tyson Terran -_-;
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These 11:00 oclock games get much much longer then the 3:30 ones.
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Whatever, we needed better game discussion lately.
... =)
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GO 815!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLUTCH TIME!
It's not like FBH eats Zergs for breakfast! ... oh wait... -_-
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On December 14 2008 15:22 Qwertify wrote:i think Zerg players should get 3 lings per egg. + Show Spoiler +
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FBH is tired! a sign of weakness!!
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Come on 815, you are our Luke Skywalker
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What's the deal with Stork wearing that old Blue jacket while everyone else is rocking the badass black leather?
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On December 14 2008 15:23 Plexa wrote:
FBH is tired! a sign of weakness!!
Bunker rush!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Alright
Map: RH3
FBH @ 3
815 @ 11
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On December 14 2008 15:22 Qwertify wrote:i think Zerg players should get 3 lings per egg. + Show Spoiler + oh god i want to ban you -.-
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
815 will win you heard it here first.
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815 sending his ovie to 7
FBH building his supply to get his SCVs out slightly faster
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On December 14 2008 15:23 d(O.o)a wrote:Your comments cause me to hate you and change signature
wow that's kind of harsh
Go 815!!!!
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3 lings? make it 6 per egg and make the spawning pool only 50 minerals
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Whatev I think Juni did pretty good - maybe it was Tempest sucking but like people have said this build is awesome so I dunno what more Juni could have done he did a great job of clogging the road to his main with hydras to slow the zealot march and buy time for the mutas and he managed to avoid losing any drones or tech or anything and I think after that he had to have been ahead since he defended the timing push without losing any drones or tech or bases. So then he countered and Tempest had not been pumping sairs or cannons so even if archons hadn't headed for his main he could have danced around tempest's bases and done a lot of damage.
EDIT: also he teched to lurkers which i suppose is standard but at least he didn't go mass mutas like he's done before to poor effect.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
If the pimp wins, I'm getting mad fantasy points for a 3-0.
Go go pimp!
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Alrighty! 815 is 12hatch/pool
FBH is 14CC before rax
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wow FBH goes for FE, did 815 spot that?
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If FBH loses I'm still getting points for Jangbi, so it's fine either way.
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drone scout sees FBHs 14CC
barracks only going up now.. pool just about finished =/
2nd rax going up
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LOL nice drawing of FBH dancing
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On December 14 2008 15:22 SuperJongMan wrote:
Whatever, we needed better game discussion lately.
... =)
Yea the post game discussion in Live Report threads has been lacking a lot, actually.
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815 going for drone + ling break :O
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pool is operational
3rd hatch buildling for 815
FBH will have marines in time - he's also building a buncker
OH SHIT 815 ALL IN WITH DRONE/LING
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DRONES COMING IN AND ATTACKING WITH LINGS
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He must have sensed that the Raxes were late.
That man is drone rushing.
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On December 14 2008 15:22 Qwertify wrote:i think Zerg players should get 3 lings per egg. + Show Spoiler +
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fe 2 rax from fbh 815 rushing with drones
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
815 gotta get those ligs up the ramp.
DRILL??? LOOOOOL.
Wow 815 failed.
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
THAT WAS THE WORST ALL IN RUSH I'VE EVER SEEN
hahahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahaha
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LOL this is so over, those 4 drones did absolutely nothing at all - and he lost 2
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I don't think those drones killed anything.
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815 had so many drones there. That's a lot of lost mining time.
In the end the attack did nothing, FBH is very, very ahead.
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oh god
that was so bad
fbh is comfortably ahead, there is no reason not for him to do something silly now
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He can't even kill stuff with the speedlings.
He's morphing in Lair right now though.
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I'm confused wtf did 815 do.
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was that supposed to be a drone drill?
i can't tell if the timing was just awful or if 815 just tried to use some drones in his attack
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and TL is back in harmony : )
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On December 14 2008 15:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I'm confused wtf did 815 do.
Tried to drone/ling rush but failed epicly. Lost 2 drones did no damage.
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Straight to nuclear please.
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oh god fbh just don't get cocky and go mass ghosts
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I was wondering how the ktf coach would do to him after the match. worst than a D- iccup player
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
This is GG.
There is no way FBH wil lose this.
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HA HA HA!
Samsung looks to be having a easy 3-0 now.
Well played KTF Zerg noob.
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3rd and 4th raxes going up as well as ebay
i sense timing push
mnm moving out atm
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FBH pushing out now ith an Mnm forces.
And 815 runs his lings into it.
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I bet 10$ that 815 is going to go 2 hatch muta.
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Hold moly that was good mnm micro by FBH.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
BOXER micro from FBH.
HOLY SHIT THAT MICRI WAS GOOD. HOLY.
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looooooooool
815 has no sunkens.. this is such a rape
FBH MOVING IN WITH MARINES
SICK MICRO KILLS OFF ALL THE LINGS
SUNKENS DONE ANDDDDDDDD
FBH STILL RAPES
LOL
3-03-03-03-03-03-03-30-
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Damn why does 815 suck so hard?
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rofl, horrible play by 815
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wow that was so bad hahaha
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Awsome control by FBH and mediocre control by 815
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haha KHAN on a roll
3-0 twice this week WOOT!!!
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once again shittastic decision making by KTF
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wow
Not the kind of game KTF was hopeing for
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That was some of the best mnm vs speedling micro I've seen, GG 815.
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3-0 KHAN - lol hair flip from FBH that was fucking ugly 815 better be cleaning latrines with a toothbrush after that
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Why... such an EPIC fail...
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WOW WOW NO celebratioN?! FBH must be sick or something jesus :S!
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So those toilets been looking dirty
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OMG HE BOWED
THATS SO INSULTING
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815 feeling like crap right now
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lol, 815 looked like he never played this map in his life.
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On December 14 2008 15:31 PaeZ wrote:
WOW WOW NO celebratioN?! FBH must be sick or something jesus :S!
He flicked his hair back while in the booth
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was that like a 12 pool or something?
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that mnm micro by FBH was amazing...
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Ugh. 815 just 4 pool next time please.
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Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill
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I just noticed that i voted for KTF~~ WTF?
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Don't worry Flash it's all over nice and quick for you to head off to GOM :D
Samsung got bored of this losing PL games shit and started raping. Two 3-0's in a row.
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camera missed fbh's hair flick thingy ceremony lol
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On December 14 2008 15:31 ArC_man wrote:
lol, 815 looked like he never played ZvT in his life.
fixed
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ahahahaha the pitiest of pity claps for KTF from the crowd
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On December 14 2008 15:32 Onisparda wrote:
camera missed fbh's hair flip thingy ceremony
no it didn't
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teams need to figure out how to avoid letting khan play fbh against their zergs
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am i the only one hearing the wemade theme right now
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Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks.
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On December 14 2008 15:31 PaeZ wrote:
WOW WOW NO celebratioN?! FBH must be sick or something jesus :S!
There are things called boundaries.
You see, that rape was SO BAD, that if FBH danced on top of that, 815 would commit suicide once back at the KTF house.
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On December 14 2008 15:32 Itachii wrote:
I just noticed that i voted for KTF~~ WTF?
lol @ khan banner
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On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill
I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in.
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On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill
lol it wasn't even a drone drill, it looked like attack move
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Flash's play was excuseable w/e
Tempest..Jesus what were you thinking
815...That was just sad..a fbh celebration couldnt make 815 feel worse than he should and probably does.
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That was sad sad sad. KTF needs get their game up.
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On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks.
She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1
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On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill
Considering Flash went dual armory strategy, he played extremely aggressive. The reason he lost the game was because he lost those few tanks in Stork's base. And when TOP TOP tier like these plays each other, one small mistake like that give away the game.
Besides that, Flash played picture perfect.
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On December 14 2008 15:34 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill lol it wasn't even a drone drill, it looked like attack move
seriously lol, that was so bad :S
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Oh man, 815 is soooo getting slapped down to B team.
Poor guy, he was so good last season. Never qualified for SL but his Proleague play was great.
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On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. .
you gotta check for that though there was no way back into the game for stork unless flash let him do that
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why did he even send those drones in there when the zerglings weren't anywhere near them?..
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On December 14 2008 15:35 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks. She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1
Doesn't mean Samsung doesn't lose -_-;; They won't be winning the title this year.
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On December 14 2008 15:35 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill Considering Flash went dual armory strategy, he played extremely aggressive. The reason he lost the game was because he lost those few tanks in Stork's base. And when TOP TOP tier like these plays each other, one small mistake like that give away the game. Besides that, Flash played picture perfect.
I agree. Flash was extremely aggressive with his harassment.
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MrHoon
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Im going to cry in the corner now
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On December 14 2008 15:34 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill lol it wasn't even a drone drill, it looked like attack move
Yeah lol. It was definitely an A-move :/.
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On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in.
Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases.
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On December 14 2008 15:35 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks. She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1
Hey troll Maestro didn't fair to well against FBH.
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LOL I think I've seen just about every possible reason for Flash's loss except Stork playing well. Try and push aside your hating for just a second and give some credit where it is due.
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On December 14 2008 15:39 Balfazar wrote:
LOL I think I've seen just about every possible reason for Flash's loss except Stork playing well. Try and push aside your hating for just a second and give some credit where it is due.
LOL true that
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On December 14 2008 15:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. . you gotta check for that though there was no way back into the game for stork unless flash let him do that
Well, one thing DTs do is make your opponent save scans. So yeah, Flash was playing totally in the dark there. Which was why Stork got away with just expanding like a fiend there after his failed DT drop.
Still, Flash's decision to go for pure upgrades so quickly allowed Stork back in the game. In the end Stork macro > Flash upgrades.
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On December 14 2008 15:38 Sprite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:35 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks. She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1 Hey troll Maestro didn't fair to well against FBH.
Why would he? Everyone has a player they can't beat. Jaedong is 0-5 against Casy for example.
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I'm surprised by how well Stork played
recently he has been so bad. Espclly post-OSL.
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On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in. Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases.
You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy.
Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all.
Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason:
1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3).
2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units.
Then its very obvious who's going to win.
But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers.
As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build).
The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks.
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Proved that he deserves his #2 spot, with great sense putting up so many expansions after the DT harass used up scans AND saw Flash going for fast tech. As aforementioned, the subtleties are just numerous.
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On December 14 2008 15:36 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:35 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:33 SuperJongMan wrote:
Samsung's coach is so good with that shit.
It's gross. Samsung is never outmatched on paper.
She hacks. She didn't fare so well against CJ. 3-1 Doesn't mean Samsung doesn't lose -_-;; They won't be winning the title this year.
No I just think that it doesn't matter that much. She has Stork and JangBi, OSL finalist and MSL semi-finalist, plus FBH go up against 3 fairly new players, EffOrt, sKyHigh, and Movie.
it was much more up to the players then anything like usual
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39 pages and counting for a 3-0 lol
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I wanted to see JangBi today, but oh well.. Stork really rock the game so guess i have be satisfy with that.
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Stork's PvT is in a league of his own. He would look bad against zergs or tosses at times, but Stork just never fails in PvT. Other tosses may be good at the MU, but Stork just dominates it.
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On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in. Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases. You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy. Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all. Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason: 1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3). 2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units. Then its very obvious who's going to win. But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers. As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build). The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks.
I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs.
The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can.
So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech.
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Who is watching GOM tonight?
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Rock will get DPed by Flash and victory for Bisu!!!
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HoeJJa is so good
But I think Bisu will take it. He is after all the greatest SC player out these right now.
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815 got steamrolled... what was he thinking bringing those drones
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On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:
Who is watching GOM tonight?
me me me
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On December 14 2008 15:57 Proposal wrote:
815 got steamrolled... what was he thinking bringing those drones
lol .... yeah His facial reaction right after that failed was just as funny.
He's like, "Oh shoot, that miserably failed, damn, it will be gg now soon"
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On December 14 2008 15:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:me me me
see you in the thread
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On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in. Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases. You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy. Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all. Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason: 1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3). 2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units. Then its very obvious who's going to win. But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers. As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build). The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks. I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs. The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can. So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech.
You are absolutely correct. Flash knows this as well. That's why he pushed out at a perfect timing in this game. Not too soon, not too late. Heck, he even had vessels ready at the perfect time, even before arbiter was out. This only proves that Flash made one mistake in this game, losing few tanks in his attempt to harrass. And this one small mistake cost him the game because both were playing 100 out of 100 game... well Flash 99 out of 100.
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losing tanks.. you mean the dropship play? behind the temple?
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On December 14 2008 16:00 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:54 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:43 EntertainMe wrote:On December 14 2008 15:37 Qwertify wrote:On December 14 2008 15:34 Rostam wrote:On December 14 2008 15:32 Qwertify wrote:
Terrible decision making by all players
Flash's passivity
Tempests Counter
815's drone drill I think it's unreasonable to fault Flash for his decision making. He had no reasonable way of knowing that Stork would expand so aggressively. Beyond that he did not seem to play poorly at all, he was just very behind once Stork's expansions kicked in. Yeah - Flash really played a good game. I just think that in general terrans either need to do heavy harass or push out early. Flash kind of got the harass down with those vultures, but I guess he didn't realize that Stork had so many bases. You're missing the whole point of Flash's strategy. Dual armory strategy is used to have good upgrades, hence, the longer the game, the better for terran. (We all know Full up mechs are superior to 200/200 protoss ground units) This means terran does not have to play aggressive at all. Now knowing that, Flash's stragey does not matter whether protoss gets 3 or 4 expansions. It irrelevant due to the following reason: 1)Terran is passive and wait for 3:2:2 (or 3:3:3). 2)Protoss gets 200/200 ground units. Then its very obvious who's going to win. But let's say Protoss goes risky and gets Carriers. As long as Flash scans the rigth place, and scout properly, we all know what happens to carriers to Dual Upped Goliaths. (For some time, this very strategy was called Anti-Carrier build). The longer the game gets, terran just keeps getting stronger. In this game, he played too aggressively and lost few tanks. I don't think Mechis stronger than 200 food Toss at all. It will be in a head to head battle simply because tanks rape everything that stays on the ground. + Gols and turrets take out any shuttles for z bombs. The thing is that When terrans push they are very very slow. This allows toss to use arbitors to recall into the Terran base. Then they have to send some or all their units back. This takes more time. Additionally even if toss does get 200 up against a terran mech force, if the toss army dies, it won't matter if by that point they have expanded to numerous points on the map - in this case they will just replenish the army fairly quickly - faster than a 2-3 base terran can. So you can't just wait around as a terran while your toss opponent gets map control and arbitor tech. You are absolutely correct. Flash knows this as well. That's why he pushed out at a perfect timing in this game. Not too soon, not too late. Heck, he even had vessels ready at the perfect time, even before arbiter was out. This only proves that Flash made one mistake in this game, losing few tanks in his attempt to harrass. And this one small mistake cost him the game because both were playing 100 out of 100 game... well Flash 99 out of 100.
I think we agree. I have to say that I was a bit careless when I wrote that Flash lost because he was too passive. I think someone else even mentioned that Stork my have gotten an edge simply because he was able to expand in the right places, where it would have been hard for Flash to do the same.
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On December 14 2008 15:39 Balfazar wrote:
LOL I think I've seen just about every possible reason for Flash's loss except Stork playing well. Try and push aside your hating for just a second and give some credit where it is due.
Nobody said Stork didn't play well..
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Well GG KHAN. I'M out for now until the GOM Averatec-Intel Classic Season Two comes on !! OH YEAH!!
Go Bisu and Flash - my liquibet records tests in you hands!!
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On December 14 2008 16:06 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2008 15:39 Balfazar wrote:
LOL I think I've seen just about every possible reason for Flash's loss except Stork playing well. Try and push aside your hating for just a second and give some credit where it is due. Nobody said Stork didn't play well..
I think that is his point. Everybody is making excuses for Flash because they don't want to admit that he got outplayed.
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imo if Flash didnt waste putting tanks at 6 o clock he might have cinched it
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MrHoon
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flash got outplayed
lets hope rock doesn't outplay him.
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Samsung has a solid roster. But they also have one of the best coaches. Pretty much everyone from KHAN played their strongest MU today and that's just as important as having S-class gamers.
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So where is KHAN in the PL rankings now?
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On December 14 2008 16:30 Balfazar wrote:
So where is KHAN in the PL rankings now?
They were first going into the match and now have an even bigger lead.
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On December 14 2008 16:30 Balfazar wrote:
So where is KHAN in the PL rankings now?
Well, seeing how they were first before this game, they're still first. Thought it'd be obvious.
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On December 14 2008 16:18 MrHoon wrote:
flash got outplayed
lets hope rock doesn't outplay him.
NO way.
Rock is not that good.
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There was a time when Rock would beat Jaedong
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i dont care.
flash is better than stork.
flash is better than bisu.
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omg Jangbi didnt even get to play
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On December 14 2008 16:18 MrHoon wrote:
flash got outplayed
lets hope rock doesn't outplay him.
He got outplayed, true. But that was more of a Flash's loss than a Stork's win. I mean after Storks failed dt attempt Flash was really ahead and he had a nice window to finish the game before Stork's double expansions eco kicked in.
But yeah, after that Stork played great.
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On December 15 2008 00:03 s.a.y wrote:omg Jangbi didnt even get to play
Neither did Luxury T_T
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Just watched the series.
815 LOL what was that drone attack man, that's one of the biggest failures Ive seen in progaming, why the hell didnt he turn back when he saw the bunker was finished with a marine in it and surrounded by scv's.
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Anyone digging the new uni's? Look awesome.
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Woah, Flash exploited that map perfectly, using the area behind the temples to directly push into Stork's base, using the small choke into the nat to defend with half his army against all of Storks, and he still lost. Stork definitely deserves #2 PR.
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That Flash/Stork game was not disappointing, even though I was cheering for Flash.
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The game between Stork and Flash is what I think Stork was planning for the game on Katrina vs Flash in the OSL (remember the dual nex vs bbs?)
Mass expo --> arb >> beats down heavy ups
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815's drone attack was one of the biggest failures I've ever seen in SC.
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flash wasn't really outplayed.. he had big chances to win the game. he didn't pay enough attention on his push when he was so close to stork's natural and lost a bunch of tanks.
that was his downfall, anyway he would have won I think.
this was one the best pvt games I have ever seen
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