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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/1.jpg) vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/3.jpg)
Highlights
- We have the return of Canata, the hailed SKT1 Terran whose only good matchup is TvT. Good thing he's playing a TvT, because....
- SKT1 sends out a Zerg. S2 plays ZvP. Hopefully he'll play like all the other SKT1 Zergs, who have been playing poorly, but have been scraping wins.
- Another appearance of Fantasy and his revolutionary TvZ. I hope he plays standard and wins, because his mnm micro against GGplay was amazing.
- Best dominating
- Surprise appearances from red-hot Leta, Spear who?, Almost as good as his brother, and Snipin' Shine.
Results:
How to watch
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CANATAAAAA
Battle of the TvT beasts! I have to watch this.
(but then MVP is playing on the other stream... choices TT)
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I hope SKT1 cheeses OGN 3-0 cause I have homework.
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On December 10 2008 13:47 Realpenguin wrote:
CANATAAAAA
Battle of the TvT beasts! I have to watch this.
(but then MVP is playing on the other stream... choices TT)
Canata/Leta is either going to be must better or much worse; Leta's going to play as well as MVP but Canata could play as well as Leta/MVP or as bad as Sair. We never know with him. I want Shudder_V_ to come back though. He was good.
Edit: Oh and Midas too. Heard he was pretty good in Proleague.
Edit2: If we're asking for stuff, I kinda want SKT1 to 3-0 everyone from now until the end of Proleague, and I guess I won't care who they send out.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Leta is more in shape right now than Canata
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Comon SKT!!!
Canata is a tvt specialist, so we got lucky there, although leta is a very solid player.
Hopefully s2's zvp is better than his zvz >.> Spear doesn't have much experience so maybe we will get lucky.
Fantasy vs yarnc will probably be the best game of the night.
Best will roll the shit out of shine.
SKT1's job is to win one of the first 3. Past that I can't see BeSt losing to Shine, and I can't see SKT1 not sending out BeSt for Medusa (a p favored map), or Bisu, if he is back from whatever he was doing.
predictions
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United States13143 Posts
On December 10 2008 13:52 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 13:47 Realpenguin wrote:
CANATAAAAA
Battle of the TvT beasts! I have to watch this.
(but then MVP is playing on the other stream... choices TT) Canata/Leta is either going to be must better or much worse; Leta's going to play as well as MVP but Canata could play as well as Leta/MVP or as bad as Sair. We never know with him. I want Shudder_V_ to come back though. He was good.
What happened to Shudder anyway? I remember he got a lot of hype, then vanished. According to TLPD, his last game was in January, and Ctrl-F tells me he's not in any of the OSL offline groups, but he's also not retired. It's like he vanished off the face of the Earth or something.
About the match, I think the two most likely outcomes are OGN 3-0 or SKT 3-2.
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If SKT plays like it should, an easy 3-0 or at least 3-1 here.
However, that probably wont happen.
Game 1 -
The old Canata would win this no problem. His presence in the line up implies that he may actually be back in form, but I think the safe bet would be Leta taking this.
 Leta > Canata
Game 2 -
Spear is terrible, but I guess you could say the same thing about s2 <insert generic SKT zerg joke here> However, s2 is an SKT zerg that has actually managed to WIN a couple games! He has no televized games against Protoss, and Destination seems to be a slightly protoss flavored map, but I just dont like spear. Call me optomistic, but
 Spear <  s2
Game 3 -
Yarnc has been doing well recently, and so has Fantasy. If both of these players show up to play, this should be the game of the night. This one is hard to call, but since Rush Hour 3 is a terran-ish map and I find Fantasy's play more impressive in general
YellOw[ArnC] < fantasy
Game 4 -
I dont know anything at all about Shine, and I'm not even sure I have ever seen him play. His only recent PvT games have been in GOM against Jangbi, who he managed to beat once while loosing twice. Loosing to Jangbi certainly isn't bad though, and he did take one game. The map seems to also favor Terran over Protoss, though the sample size is incredibly small. I think that all of these things in Shine's favor will do him a whole lot of nothing though, as he is playing Best. Best should win this easily, though he did loose to a slumping Hwasin on this map. I didn't watch that game though, so I'm not sure what happened.
Shine < BeSt
Ace Match -
If my predictions are correct so far, this wont happen, but if it does I have complete faith in SKT to take home the win. Medusa is a great map for PvT, and to a less extent PvZ. OGN is pretty much doomed here - I dont think Leta or Yarnc can beat Best/Bisu on this map. Last time this occurred Bisu pretty much dominated Yarnc, and I expect a repeat here. However, the map is also good for TvZ, and we could see Fantasy sent out, since OGN has no Protoss players that are viable ace choices. Yarnc would still loose. I can't remember if Bisu is in China still, but incase he is
YellOw[ArnC] < fantasy
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United States13143 Posts
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Leta @ 7 and Canata @ 11.
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"Another appearance of Fantasy and his revolutionary TvZ. I hope he plays standard and wins, because his mnm micro against GGplay was amazing."
Yeah..no. Fantasy's like Lomo in TvZ. He plays great unorthodox methods, but his Mnm micro's not as good.
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Leta 14cc and Canata standard.
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Right finally got my stream to load.
Canata Brown T11.
Leta Teal T7.
Both seem to have opened standard - except leta, who thorws down a CC instead of a fact.
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Canata sends his scv the wrong direction, builds a fact to boot.
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Leta starts his fact. Leta hasn't sent otu a scout yet, seems.
Double starport almost done for Canata.
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2fac with 1 add-on for Leta
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Leta late wall-in and Canata going cloak wraiths.
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Leta being to wall off his nat, starts second fact. I see no anti-air for the kid.
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Vulture drop coming from Canata with mines.
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Canata getting cloak; Leta throwing down his anti-wraith tech.
There is also a dropship out for Canata.
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Vulture drop for Canata. Leta fends it off really, really well actually.
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Gets one of Leta's tanks. Harassing with wraiths.
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Gols out for Leta. Wraiths still doing some harassing.
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Wraith harassing Leta. gols finally pop for Leta, but the wraiths have done a fair amount of damage, but probably not enough to make up a CC.
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Cloak completed, Canata still harassing. Canata starts his expo that man is awfully behind.
He's going to start on 2 tanks + seige to drop of Leta's cliff.
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I'm cheering for SKT because OGN is currently ahead of Lecaf in the rankings.
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2 tank drop from Canata going to Leta's Min only?
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Turrets going up for Leta, Canata choosing to start a seige push insids of Leta's base haha.
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Leta's macro is just going to kick in and Roll Canata over. it's not even going to be close.
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Leta rushes Canata's encampment. It was a cool ploy but largely ineffective. He shoulda droppsed it on the cliff.
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Leta pushing on Canata. Canata' really out nubmered, and the only thing that's bailing him out is his small wraith army.
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Canata expanding on island.
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Canata posturing to hidden expand at 12. Leta still macroing forces northwards, has a contain on Canata. And it's a healthy contain. Canata's tech gambles really didn't pay off.
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Corinthos
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skt1 vs ogn (hq) vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3333
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Canata really quickly transferring into dropship play. Smart, considering he doesn't have very much map control.
Leta is building turrets around the map. Another smart move.
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On December 10 2008 14:18 Corinthos wrote:
skt1 vs ogn (hq) vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3333
Thanks Corinthos. It's what they've all been beggin for.
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Leta Scouting like crazy for the dropships, Canata doing his best to be unpredictable with them.
Leta's saftely expanded to 9. Canata now has 4 dropships.
Canata runs his dropships into Let's turret wall.
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*sigh* Posture posture macro macro.
Leta's doing a great job building turrets and shutting down Canata's attempt at dropship play.
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Canata wants to expand to upper right? He's made defenses as such.
Now leta expands to 6 with a dropship of his own.
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On December 10 2008 14:18 Corinthos wrote:
skt1 vs ogn (hq) vlc stream:
mmsh://75.126.18.2:3333
thank you!!!
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Canta finally chooses to engage outside of the upper right, he breaks out and forces Leta to move his army. Canata re-seiges his army outside of 3 but his army is really, really small compared to Leta's.
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Oh man, Leta has also expanded to bottom right.Leta's build a turret wall around the map such that Canata's not going to move his dropships anywhere without Leta knowing about it.
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Leta shuts down Canata's attempt to secure upper right. Well, he's hasn't actually shut it down but is going to.
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Canata's breaking out. Leta brings in another army to secure his map control.
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panda bear guy in trouble
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Leta's tanks are everywhere.
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Sci facility for Canata (no add on, probably for upgrades) Leta suddenly reveals he's got as many dropships as Canata has.
Canata kept upper right but Leta's doing a great job of threatening it.
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the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me
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Basically...Canata's fucked. He's got like, wtice the number of expos, 2/3 of the map, and just shut down upper right.
Canata knows this and Han Bangs his way across the map. Takes out 9.
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Tries to elevator his way into Leta's min only but fails.The thought was good though.
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This is what I hate about TvT. Due to the defensive nature of the race, even big early advantages will lead to a drawn out game. So a lot of long macro games end up being very boring and onesided despite its length.
On December 10 2008 14:27 Kuja900 wrote:
the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me
It's actually just thunk live-reporting.
That and the fact that OGN has basically no fans on this site.
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On December 10 2008 14:27 Kuja900 wrote:
the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me
There's just one idiot who live reports that makes it look like they're a lot of T1 fans.
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On December 10 2008 14:29 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:27 Kuja900 wrote:
the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me It's actually just thunk live-reporting. That and the fact that OGN has basically no fans on this site.
They have no fans in real life either - the Daum stream is 156-503 Skt1.
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On December 10 2008 14:29 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:27 Kuja900 wrote:
the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me It's actually just thunk live-reporting. That and the fact that OGN has basically no fans on this site.
lol well thats true they got like what 9 votes on that poll
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Leta macros up, god knows where Canata's army went (he's switched into vultures, that's how bad off he is) Leta going for an impressive mass wraith army (like 6 ports).
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On December 10 2008 14:30 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:29 baubo wrote:On December 10 2008 14:27 Kuja900 wrote:
the amount of t1 fans in this thread disgusts me It's actually just thunk live-reporting. That and the fact that OGN has basically no fans on this site. They have no fans in real life either - the Daum stream is 156-503 Skt1.
OGN had 1% of the votes on who'd win proleague in the recent poll. And the only Sparkyz fan that posted said he voted for another team. Ironic, isn't it?
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wowow, canata is so good at tvt
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Canata's holding on for dear life. Leta has a lot of wraiths, which will do good against Canata's large amount of tanks. Canta takes the middle expansion *pukes* and stops Leta's attempt to expand at 3.
Leta goes BC. Thank god he can finish this shit.
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On December 10 2008 14:31 traced wrote:
wowow, canata is so good at tvt
You're mixing up the colors.
Leta does a straight up and down beat down at 12. With wraiths only.
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Oh good. Leta's making BCs. This game will be over soon.
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Canata now trying to take 3.
Leta's BCs have popped. Now he can actually finish this shit.
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Gol/Valk for Canata. He really likes his play time, that's for sure.
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Oh good. Leta's moving around his BCs. He can finish this.
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My stream is lagging but I'll summarize the rest of the game for you: Leta takes his growing BC army and vast economic advantage and possibly forces Canata to quit professional Starcraft.
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On December 10 2008 14:39 thunk wrote:
My stream is lagging but I'll summarize the rest of the game for you: Leta takes his growing BC army and vast economic advantage and possibly forces Canata to quit professional Starcraft.
hehe that was funny
is it over yet
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On December 10 2008 14:42 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:39 thunk wrote:
My stream is lagging but I'll summarize the rest of the game for you: Leta takes his growing BC army and vast economic advantage and possibly forces Canata to quit professional Starcraft. hehe that was funny is it over yet
No.
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Game time closing in at 50 minutes. Ugh...
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Canata is now floating all of his buildings, for God knows what purpose.
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Finally Canata throws away his army and ggs
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And...Canata GG's. I am now a year older, wish me happy birthday.
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lol that was so unnecessary, i tune in when leta already had bcs and i think "wait, does leta really have an extra main compared to canata?" and then "why is it 20 min later and the game still not over??"
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Leta looked sooo worn out, haha. He barely could high-five his teammates.
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Pretty BM from Canata I thought, game was over nearly 15 minutes before it ended.
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No. It's a great plan, because if Canata sucked out enough of Leta's soul now a) Idra might be able to make it into the OSL, and b) Leta can't be used as Ace.
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SKT1 didn't need any stinkin' Game 1 anyways.
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On December 10 2008 14:52 thunk wrote:
No. It's a great plan, because if Canata sucked out enough of Leta's soul now a) Idra might be able to make it into the OSL, and b) Leta can't be used as Ace.
Probably why they played him first.
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This is bad. s2 isn't strong in general. PvT isn't Best's strong suit. This could end in a 3-1 for OGN :|
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On December 10 2008 14:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:52 thunk wrote:
No. It's a great plan, because if Canata sucked out enough of Leta's soul now a) Idra might be able to make it into the OSL, and b) Leta can't be used as Ace. Probably why they played him first.
If they played him fourth Canata would only have to do like 30 minutes of soul sucking but instead went the whole hour because there's an entire 3 games between now and the Ace match. Wouldn't want Leta to be prepared for that business.
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On December 10 2008 14:54 Darrun wrote:
This is bad. s2 isn't strong in general. PvT isn't Best's strong suit. This could end in a 3-1 for OGN :|
I'll leave this to the devoted SKT fans to deal with.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Wow, is that the former SKT1 coach commentating? He looks pissed. Can't imagine why *cough*
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
Ugh, shame they're not playing thezerg... I know he hasn't put up the best results as of late, poor guy has had nothing but ZvZ's and switching to a new team and whatnot, and finally he could've had a non-mirror. 
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On December 10 2008 14:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 14:54 Darrun wrote:
This is bad. s2 isn't strong in general. PvT isn't Best's strong suit. This could end in a 3-1 for OGN :| I'll leave this to the devoted SKT fans to deal with.
I'm sure it was just a mistake and he really meant to say PvZ isn't Best's strong suit or that TvZ isn't Fantasy's strong suit. Or maybe he mean that PvT isn't Fantasy's strong suit. Typos can get you in the sneakiest of places.
That is SKT1's former coach and he does look angry. I would be too.
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Im going to bed, but go SKT
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All the fans sound half-hearted...
anyway, map is destination. s2 on top, spear on bottom.
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Spear Yellow P5
S2 Green Z11.
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Pylon at nat for Spear.
Standard so far for S2.
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Oh. Some sort of Overpool/9 pool from S2.
S2 takes like....2:30.
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Lings out for S2, chase probe. 3rd hatch at nat.
Forge, Nexus, Cannon, Gateway, Gas for Spear.
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skt zerg practically already gg
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Oh man, S2 found a sweet spot that the cannons can't reach. He's harassing the cannons and forcing Spear to pull probes.
S2 takes out only 1, 2 probes. Zeal fends off the zerglings.
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Cyber thrown down. Lair for S2.
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Stargate down for spear.
Spire for s2.
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The let's guess the tech game is now played. S2 doesn't look like he has a lot of drones, to be honest, although he should have been powering a lot.
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Spire for S2, Stargate for Spear.
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First corsair goes boom after 4 scourge meet it head on. Kingdom looks pretty happy...
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S2 is watnering around with 12 lings, tries to do some harass. Kills 2 zeals, 1 goon, forces another cannon.
Spear progressing up his sair-dt tech.First sair out for Spear, scourge chase it down (it takes 4 to do it though).
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3 more gateways for spear, total of 4. I think S2 forgot to put down a hydra den. Scourge take out the first 2 sairs. Muta now out for S2.
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Sufficient Muta defense out for Spear though.
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Light muta harass at Spear's min only.
Speed zeals+archons heading toward S2's main.
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NOw toward 2:30. S2 runs his muta through archons.
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This is like a more poorly done version of what Best did against Zero.
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Spear moves to expand at his third.
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2 more gateways for Spear, Spear moving toward dragoons.
S2 doesn't know how to macro.
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well, he sufficiently survived the early push.
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S2 harassing Spear's Main army, like he doesn't know what to do with his Apm. There's no templar out for Spear though.
S2 flanks, with a large amount of hydra, uses his muta to snipe templar.
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s2 HOLY SHIT HE'S IN THE NAT
mass hydra wins the day
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S2 uses hydras to break Spear's nat!
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pretty awesome game by s2
really impressive
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GO SKT1 ZERG!!
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no highfives to mascot :D
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
I dunno about anyone else, but I just feel a sense of satisfaction when a Z wins with just mass hydra... it feels so... zerg.
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that was a nice win. his mutas delayed the push just enough so he could get defense at both bases, even if he did fly them right into the archons a few times =P
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You know, Spear would have been a lot better off choosing a build that Best hasn't demonstrated good knowledge of before (and therefore one that S2 can competently practice against).
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Nice play by s2, I had a feeling he'd win this. Did someone remove the "t" key off of Spear's keyboard?
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S2 has really good muta micro, and was used his muta army to attempt snipe templar. Very good, really.
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SKT zerg wins again??
O_o;; s2 is a 2 game winning streak
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That was a comprehensive victory by s2.
Controlled the game from start (forcing extra cannons to build) to middle (sniping corsairs eZ style with scourge) to end (sniping templar with mutas, surrounding flanks of hydra).
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does anyone else find it amusing that s2 starts winning only after TheZerg is bought by SKT?
I guess if you look at it one way, the purchase did improve their zerg line up...
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SKT1 Zergs (not including TheZerg) since TZ signing: 3-0
TheZerg since signing with SKT1: 0-2
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i feel bad about voting for ogn now :/
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On December 10 2008 15:21 traced wrote:
i feel bad about voting for ogn now :/
You should be loyal to SKT1 all the time
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On December 10 2008 15:23 abakben wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 15:21 traced wrote:
i feel bad about voting for ogn now :/ You should be loyal to SKT1 all the time
Same with Ace. Always be loyal to Ace, you never know when they're going to win.
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i voted for ace yesterday too grrr
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Somebody was presented with the OGN weekly MVP. I think it was Leta, but I suck at identifying faces.
Edit: My bad, it was Yellow.
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
yarnc voted for weekly MVP... after his series vs STX I don't have a problem with that choice at all.
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Yellow Brown Z11
Fantasy Yellow T7
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9 pool from fake yellow, Wall at main ramp for Fantasy.
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Nat hatch gets placed donw, Fantasy scouts the nine pool.
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Fantasy gets the SCV block up just in time, has since thrown down a second rax.
3rd hatch goes down for Yarnc.
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But he's hidden the 2nd Rax Marines,
SCV gets eliminated, sunken going up for Yarnc.
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I dunno if that Ovie scouted it - second sunken going down for Yarnc. Firebats from Fantasy, Lair going up for Yarnc.
CC going down for fantasy.
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He waited too long...no way he was going to break through 3 sunks.
Fantasy sneaks some marines up out of the sunks' range, yarnc in danger of losing his nat hatchery.
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Attempted Sunken Break.
I think Fantays' behind now. Oh wait, Fantasy did some tricky mnm micro to stop mining at Yarnc's nat. I like this kid's mnm micro.
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oh my gosh yarnc that was a bit silly huh
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Oh man, the Nat hatch goes down. That is so cool. Fantasy positioned his mnm between the min line and the hatchery, stopping mining and taking out the hatch. Spire just coming in for Yarnc.
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Hatch goes down. Yarnc looks pissed :D
Hatch rebuilding for Yarnc, now four sunkens in his nat. Some MnM will prevent mining for a little while.
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Fact/Ebay going up for Fantasy.
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I love Fantasy
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4 muta or what not pop for Yarnc. Take out Mnm that stop Yarnc's nat from mining.
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Hydra going down for Yarnc. Lurkers.
Yarnc doing what he can with the muta.
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Fantasy is doing a really poor job of defending the muta. He should be able to shut it down a lot better than what he's doing right now.
5 or so lurkers morphing for Yarnc, could be trouble given Fantay's forces.
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This is pretty much all in for Yarnc. If he doesn't win with this it's GG more or less.
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OH man look at that mnm mciro.
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Basically Yarnc tries to 2 base backstab Fantasy. And Fantasy defends it with spectacular mnm micro.
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Fantasy is pushing; Yarnc's defenses nor is his base count going to be able to fend it off.
But the first vessel was sniped, so you never know.
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Fantasy continues his push. Yarnc doing a really good job of holding if off actually. Fantasy tries for Yarnc's third but Yarnc defends.
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Yarnc snipes the second vessel but Fantasy now shelling the nat of Yarnc.
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lol fantasy being mad aggressive. i like it
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Defilers out for Yarnc. And Yarnc has consume. Oh my gosh.
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omg he's already spotted the exp how does he do that
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Drop going to Yarnc's third. We'll see what becomes of it.
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Yarnc defends the drop with little damage.
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On December 10 2008 15:47 ShloobeR wrote:
omg he's already spotted the exp how does he do that
He threw marines at it earlier but Comsat maybe.
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yarnc forgets to burrow and so everything he has gets raped
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OH that was sick - using an empty dropship to force zerg to unborrow the lurkers and move them out of position!
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haha fantasy's control is so sloppy, i hope he can still win
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Yarnc snipes a dropship, but Fantasy baits the lurkers so Fantasy can get to his third. Yarn'cs third goes down.
Fantasy' third goes up.
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DEMORALIZATION
Yarnc GG's.
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Fantasy's control is sloppy, I'm ashamed. I kind of think it's because he's being super aggressive with his units.
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oh yes fantasy wins skt1 terrans are awesome
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You know what, both brothers are playing at the same time.
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Why the hell did ogn change their shirts? Their old ones were way more awesome.
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Does anyone else find it funny that whenever a player receives the MVP award, he loses his next game?
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I looked forward to seeing Fantasy's MnM / sk terran style of play. God damn it was amazing. That bait had boxer written all over it.
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if SKT wins, it's gonna be the 5th match won in a row (from 3-7 to 8-7)
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Yarnc deserved to win that game.
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Shine vs Cheater Toss next.
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*Switches over to Woojin*
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On December 10 2008 15:51 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
if SKT wins, it's gonna be the 5th match won in a row (from 3-7 to 8-7)
lol pfft, what did you expect? The dynasty to be in last??
LUDICULOUS!!!!
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Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On December 10 2008 15:51 EvoChamber wrote:
Yarnc deserved to win that game.
If he did, he would've won.
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Russian Federation376 Posts
fuck canata, did he won at least a game in the last 3 years?!
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On December 10 2008 15:54 EvilTeletubby wrote:If he did, he would've won.
How was he supposed to cover his nat hatch on rh3 again?
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On December 10 2008 15:54 EvilTeletubby wrote:If he did, he would've won.
OWNED
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It's not like the team was forced to put a zerg on that map. Like in individual leagues.
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On December 10 2008 15:51 EvoChamber wrote:
Yarnc deserved to win that game.
I fail to see how. Fantasy was playing one of the best early-mid TvZs I've seen all season (FBH is usually the best early and late game TvZ'r) and his late game aggresiveness was something Yarnc was not ready for.
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On December 10 2008 15:51 EvoChamber wrote:
Yarnc deserved to win that game.
Please do not post ridiculous comments. Fantsy played better than Yarnc from start to end.
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On December 10 2008 15:54 EvoChamber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 15:54 EvilTeletubby wrote:On December 10 2008 15:51 EvoChamber wrote:
Yarnc deserved to win that game. If he did, he would've won. How was he supposed to cover his nat hatch on rh3 again?
Put the sunkens in a little tighter formation around his hatch. It's not like Yarnc didn't have time to consider this - 2 rax is a pretty standard build. It think it's really a tribute to Fantasy that nobody dared to stick marines in that spot before.
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LOL~ Shine's so dead~~
Weee~~ Best rape incoming~~
I was so sick of watching Best PvZ. We get to see smashed metal weeee
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time for shine to lose
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Shine always reminds me of an Asian Jay Leno.
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Best is 9-1 his last 10 TvPs.
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Hope Shine wins just so we can see an ace match... I don't want to work on my finals paper
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On December 10 2008 16:00 Disregard wrote:
Best is 9-1 his last 10 TvPs.
he used to be pretty good at PvP too I hear
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Poor Shine... rape is incoming...
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Please make it qucik Best I gotta sleep.
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Best Purple P5, Shine Green T1.
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Supply outside of Shines base?
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On December 10 2008 16:02 abakben wrote:Please make it qucik Best I gotta sleep.
If effin Canata didn't take so long, We would be in bed by now.
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Shine build his supply outside of his base, his Rax outside of that. Best scouts him immediately.
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What a weird wall! lol I've never seen that.. sorry for sounding nooby. Can you not wall normally on this map?
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Haha, the Mascot sits with the audience.
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SKT1 mascot in stands enjoying himself.
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i'd kick this mascot in the balls
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hahaha, Bunky never gets old! :D
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On December 10 2008 16:01 ShloobeR wrote:he used to be pretty good at PvP too I hear
Used to be? Thats a understatement.
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Apparently, that wall is impenetrable because the marine couldn't get in. Bunker at Nat for Shine.
Fact in main for Shine.
Scouting SCV taken out in Best's main, 2 scvs on gas, cc started.
2 gate goon for Best. Best is just going to eat that wall, I can tell.
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did best misplace his nexus?
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Ah, one of the few times I've ever rooted for best. Screw you Shine.
Though I guess an ace match would be alright.
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Best is going to double expand. He has to, it's Best.
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Best denied scouting SCV.
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Shine adding 3 more facs,
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Best denies scouting. How many facts for Shine, what build does Best chose from here?
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WTF THIS IS LASTSHADOW'S BUILD
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3 more fact for shine, an ebay up fro shine, and Best...Robo+obs. No sign of reaver as of yet.
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Man, what's with the 6fact craze!
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On December 10 2008 16:07 stalife wrote:
WTF THIS IS LASTSHADOW'S BUILD
Ya I think I saw him reading his guide on gosugamers during that canata vs leta match,
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6 fact for shine? Best's going to read him like a book. He's already citadel and stuff up.
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Arbitors for BeSt. I would say if Shine pushes correctly he has the game...
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On December 10 2008 16:07 stalife wrote:
WTF THIS IS LASTSHADOW'S BUILD
L O L!
Harmony is so fun to be a terran on -_-;;
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Arbiter Tech from Best, plus 4 gates total. I dunno If Best's scouted it, actually.
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dude that vulture had potential to deal alotta dmg
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BeSt is gonna get rolled here
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Wow, those vults did surprisingly little damage.
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MrHoon
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When marines have 35hp the LastShadowbuild will be perfected
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Oh man, Shine's pushing fast.
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Does he even have zealots or leg speed?
BeSt looking to counter...
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man this was a good build
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looks like we're going to ACE match
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Best is doing exactly waht Pusan did to whatever his face is. Except worse.
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i think pvt on this map is just really hard ~_~
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Shine needs some goliaths.. Arb can still change the game here
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The 6-fact in the counterclockwise direction is really hard to defend on this map.
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this looks pretty bad...the moment i saw stargate i thought "crap best is in trouble." i was wondering what best was doing that whole time..
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Arbs out for Best.
That is one big ball for Shine.
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omgggggggggg. Shine with no scan. So bad..
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lol best stasis a live spider mine.
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...nevermind, apparently best can outmacro shine with 1 base
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Best manages to beat the ball with like half the units he normally has. Ridiculous.
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shine is like terato playing terran
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On December 10 2008 16:13 Sandster wrote:
...nevermind, apparently best can outmacro shine with 1 base
He's got 2. It's like an effective 1.5, and I don't think Best had zeals in the shuttles.
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If Shine loses this I will laugh so hard...
Wow. Only 200 min for shine. Macroing really well!
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Best expands again to bottom right, Shine expands to his third.
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On December 10 2008 16:14 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
shine is like terato playing terran
whos terato?
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On December 10 2008 16:09 thunk wrote:
6 fact for shine? Best's going to read him like a book. He's already citadel and stuff up.
looks like he read him a bit like theo huxtable.
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Shines at 200, best's at 150.
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On December 10 2008 16:14 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:13 Sandster wrote:
...nevermind, apparently best can outmacro shine with 1 base He's got 2. It's like an effective 1.5, and I don't think Best had zeals in the shuttles.
true...i thoguht he only transferred ~6 probes over.
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vultures raping best's main
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OH MY GOD HUGE RECALLLLLLLLLLLLL lllllllllllllllol
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Recall had too many zealots... going to fail.
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On December 10 2008 16:15 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:09 thunk wrote:
6 fact for shine? Best's going to read him like a book. He's already citadel and stuff up. looks like he read him a bit like theo huxtable.
Yea, Best doesn't even need to read teh book to fend it off, apparently.
I'd still give the edge to shine, Best's main is out mined.
Recall in Shine's main, I don't know how much damage it's going to do.
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It's weird, because Best's recalls usually only happen with the game's already over.
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that recall gave best a lot of time to get bottom left up and running and remacro and army. wow i thought he was completely screwed too.
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all his recalled forces taken care of but it was successful in using up all shine's scans and buying a crapload of time. vessels only starting to come out now
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Vessels coming out for Shine, Shine's third is unmolested.
Best is on 3 base though, I think.
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best cleans out the remaining forces outside his nat
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Shine is so sloppy. Finish the game already :X. Get a vessel out
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vessel out for Shine, best needs to damage Shine's econ now or else
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Best gets another army from somewhere and threatens again. That Arbiter is going to do anothe recall, I can feel it.
Best releases the hold on his nat, so he's only really on 2 bases.
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best is coming back pretty well. its almost 50-50 now
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Best does not conserve units very well.
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nice ramp block by dropping lots lol
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Best with sweet moving loading zealots into shuttle and shuttling them to ramp of his expo preventing vultures from getting up ramp
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Bisu looks ugly today.. no homo
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WOW shine trys to move back down to attack best's nat but gets his forces eaten up from both sides and loses more as best pushes up!
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i can't believe best is ahead. OMG SPLASH
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WOW huge tank splash takes out lots of tanks
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Yea, Best stops the Econ Harass. Best picks poor battles and he still comes out on top what is this ridiculousness.
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PIMP D matrix. Mine kills everything anyways though
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all of shine's units blow up simultaneously.
now protoss have some magic power that does that too >: (
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LOL looked like shine was gonna survive that as tanks unstasised but splash finishes the job
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I love how Shine has consistently no units. Best isn't even playing well, by any means!
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Where the fuck are shine's units? This is awful.
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best's control is pretty off today, losing units left and right
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Best is relentlessly spiriting units across the map.
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arbs taking out tanks rofl
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this is just pathetic
why are you a progamer shine?
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off topic: Shine has a long face
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lol his arbiters have so many kills
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On December 10 2008 16:22 shavingcream66 wrote:
best's control is pretty off today, losing units left and right
His control is always off usually he just doesn't have this few units.
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4 and 6 kill arbs ahahaha gg shine gg
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best is now setting up a 5th base at the 7 oclock nat. shine hasn't hurt best's economy since destroying the nat early in the game - he's in trouble.
EDIT: shine gg's
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wtf... best doesnt even have his gas at his expo
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Shine is gonna lose i can't believe this
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that look on shine's face like how the hell did this happenn ahaha. best pushes up and finishes it off GG!!
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Shine finally gets Golaiths. Best expands again.
And gets another army, where the hell did he get that.
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Best pressures shine's third.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
Hats off to BeSt. How did Shine not have more units? That was awful...
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Massive failure, hahahahaha.
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lolll that was so ridiculous
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Shine GG's. What a game. Great comeback by Best.
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Best holds up a banner that read "best of best" does he mean "best of the best?"
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What a sad display, haha.
Best has been playing like Pusan lately, you know.
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shine is a disgrace to progaming
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Shine you're sooo baaaaad.
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On December 10 2008 16:24 Vasoline73 wrote:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
Hats off to BeSt. How did Shine not have more units? That was awful...
that was crazy, they traded armys throughout the game but best kept increasing his expo count, whereas shine was permanently stuck to 3 bases (with his 3rd getting attacked later in the game). i still can't believe best beat back shine in the first major encounter (when he first got arbs)
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BeSt worries me alot when he plays but he comes out with a win as soon as his opponents fucks up.
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HA
HA
HA.
Sparkyz sux.
T1 rulz.
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Dumbest game since oversky vs shine...., I swear shine starts off deceint and then just falls apart, and his TvZ jeezus..dont even get me started.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 10 2008 16:25 SuperJongMan wrote:
HA
HA
HA.
Sparkyz sux.
T1 rulz.
word
I still don't understand why SKTT1 insists on sending out BeSt on Harmony though
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My liquibet is money today. Bahaha, 2 for 2.
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Replay of Shine's art of no spider mine~
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On December 10 2008 16:26 mog87 wrote:
Dumbest game since oversky vs shine...., I swear shine starts off deceint and then just falls apart, and his TvZ jeezus..dont even get me started.
Yeah. Every time I think of Shine I think of this game where Hyuk completely embarrasses him. And I wonder why the hell they bother to play him.
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they're showing replay. i STILL don't understand how best could win that battle, given what happened in teh game.
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On December 10 2008 16:25 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:24 Vasoline73 wrote:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
Hats off to BeSt. How did Shine not have more units? That was awful... that was crazy, they traded armys throughout the game but best kept increasing his expo count, whereas shine was permanently stuck to 3 bases (with his 3rd getting attacked later in the game). i still can't believe best beat back shine in the first major encounter (when he first got arbs)
Yeah it was pretty much GG as BeSt attacked the army uphill, but Shine ran out of scans and had to retreat, got statised and eventually lost. :X. Soooooooooo bad.
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On December 10 2008 16:26 Carnac wrote:word I still don't understand why SKTT1 insists on sending out BeSt on Harmony though
He seems to do alright. If you give the SKT1 coach the benefit of the doubt it's because OGN has a lot of players that are really great at TvT (but not PvT) so it's like SKT1 planned for this situation.
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yees! BeSt slain the chin monster!! yay skt1 yay fantasy
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On December 10 2008 16:27 Sandster wrote:
they're showing replay. i STILL don't understand how best could win that battle, given what happened in teh game.
From what I understood, Shine froze up and didn't lay enough mines--and he didn't have the scans to make up for it.
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I have no idea how Best managed to break even on all those battles. It's beyond me, he attacked positions that he definitely should not have.
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whoeevr modded the results into the first page you put them in the wrong place fyi (not in spoiler)
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The OGN commentators have weird shirts on. Kinda this tan, collared shirt with shiny stripes going down it.
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that game really showed why best is so good. shine's playstyle was so "primitive", while best's gameplay was much more complicated imo...
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Great week for SKT1. They won both matches even without using Bisu.
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On December 10 2008 16:31 stalife wrote:
that game really showed why best is so good. shine's playstyle was so "primitive", while best's gameplay was much more complicated imo...
it was funny because shine did exactly what he wanted to with that build...and then he lost.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 10 2008 16:30 suidfhiufh wrote:
whoeevr modded the results into the first page you put them in the wrong place fyi (not in spoiler)
Dunno who put them there, but I already fixed it
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Oh my bad, thanks Carnac.
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Good game.. Thought shine was going to win.
He played bad however. Best was losing so mad units attacking strong defences and running over mines all game long.
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I'm going to cherish those 20 hours or so when OGN was in 1st place
Can anyone explain how shine played terrible, apart from seiging tanks right next to zealots? I must've not been paying much attention.
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Not sure exactly, I wasn't watching the game the whole time, but it seemed he was ahead, especially since he destroyed Best's natural, but Best had a great push with his first arbiter, and it seemed that afterwards, Shine just never had enough units to defend, and his vulture harass was nullified by cannons.
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MrHoon
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On December 10 2008 16:44 YEAHHHH BOIIII wrote:I'm going to cherish those 20 hours or so when OGN was in 1st place Can anyone explain how shine played terrible, apart from seiging tanks right next to zealots? I must've not been paying much attention.
Well first of all, BeSt's arbiters had 18 kills
18 fucking kills
Thats why the commentators were laughing because it is such a rare site to see
Ofcourse Shine was under great pressure by Best, but seriously 1 goliath would've made a difference.
Other than that, BeSt played VERY WELL. Breaking lines without Templars? Thats an interesting feat.
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I thought shine's unit mix wasn't particularly good... and there were some times he didn't adequately defend his tanks from Best. I also don't feel like Best was that sloppy ... sure he lost units, but it was for positioning/delaying so that he could get his macro god self turned on.
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Shine didn't get a 4th base when he was in the lead, and yet somehow he seemed consistently behind on macro. Also, he didn't even build a single goliath until the arbiters had already long done their damage and it no longer mattered. Those were the main issues, at least.
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2008 13:58 TarsTarkas wrote:If SKT plays like it should, an easy 3-0 or at least 3-1 here. However, that probably wont happen. Game 1 - The old Canata would win this no problem. His presence in the line up implies that he may actually be back in form, but I think the safe bet would be Leta taking this. Leta > CanataGame 2 - Spear is terrible, but I guess you could say the same thing about s2 <insert generic SKT zerg joke here> However, s2 is an SKT zerg that has actually managed to WIN a couple games! He has no televized games against Protoss, and Destination seems to be a slightly protoss flavored map, but I just dont like spear. Call me optomistic, but Spear < s2Game 3 - Yarnc has been doing well recently, and so has Fantasy. If both of these players show up to play, this should be the game of the night. This one is hard to call, but since Rush Hour 3 is a terran-ish map and I find Fantasy's play more impressive in general YellOw[ArnC] < fantasyGame 4 - I dont know anything at all about Shine, and I'm not even sure I have ever seen him play. His only recent PvT games have been in GOM against Jangbi, who he managed to beat once while loosing twice. Loosing to Jangbi certainly isn't bad though, and he did take one game. The map seems to also favor Terran over Protoss, though the sample size is incredibly small. I think that all of these things in Shine's favor will do him a whole lot of nothing though, as he is playing Best. Best should win this easily, though he did loose to a slumping Hwasin on this map. I didn't watch that game though, so I'm not sure what happened. Shine < BeSt
Yes, my prediction rocked.
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Holy fuck, PL started earlier then the past few nights? x_x
Missed SKT1 ={
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wow SKT are like 5-0 after Bisu winning the MSL
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On December 10 2008 19:08 disciple wrote:
wow SKT are like 5-0 after Bisu winning the MSL
this
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Op in what game did fantasy have good marine micro vs ggplay?
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I wonder if Bisu will be playing soon. I miss seeing him play =(
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Best vs Shine, map favors Terran, when Shine had 6 factories Best had 2 gates, Best lost his nat.
Best's recall was dead in 20 seconds.They had same number of expos. But after Best won.
GJ
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On December 10 2008 19:30 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Op in what game did fantasy have good marine micro vs ggplay?
It was game the three fo the OSL semi-finals but Fnatasy still lost because of overal missedc timings and poor play. Plus he let ggplay get to hive, another thing that's all bad.
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Yay! Bring on the fantasy PL points!
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On December 10 2008 16:48 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:44 YEAHHHH BOIIII wrote:I'm going to cherish those 20 hours or so when OGN was in 1st place Can anyone explain how shine played terrible, apart from seiging tanks right next to zealots? I must've not been paying much attention. Well first of all, BeSt's arbiters had 18 kills 18 fucking kills Thats why the commentators were laughing because it is such a rare site to see Ofcourse Shine was under great pressure by Best, but seriously 1 goliath would've made a difference. Other than that, BeSt played VERY WELL. Breaking lines without Templars? Thats an interesting feat.
What? I break tank lines on iccup all the time, am I better than the pros? Hell, I don't even use HT in PvT and I win. I must be really good.
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lol 18 kill arbiter
SKT1 ftw
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 11 2008 01:07 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 16:48 MrHoon wrote:On December 10 2008 16:44 YEAHHHH BOIIII wrote:I'm going to cherish those 20 hours or so when OGN was in 1st place Can anyone explain how shine played terrible, apart from seiging tanks right next to zealots? I must've not been paying much attention. Well first of all, BeSt's arbiters had 18 kills 18 fucking kills Thats why the commentators were laughing because it is such a rare site to see Ofcourse Shine was under great pressure by Best, but seriously 1 goliath would've made a difference. Other than that, BeSt played VERY WELL. Breaking lines without Templars? Thats an interesting feat. What? I break tank lines on iccup all the time, am I better than the pros? Hell, I don't even use HT in PvT and I win. I must be really good.
ur rite xD u gota tri out 4 estro mangz i bet u can hit prleague in 2dayz prctize xD
+ Show Spoiler +you know what I meant 
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Go kill yourself Rushz0rz.
Blonde hair spiking, earring wearing, crotchsniffing pre op tranny.
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MrHoon
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On December 11 2008 01:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
Go kill yourself Rushz0rz.
Blonde hair spiking, earring wearing, crotchsniffing pre op tranny.
Hey SJM, why the switch to Ace?
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Man I have to get out of the habit of auto antivoting SKT
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On December 11 2008 01:38 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2008 01:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
Go kill yourself Rushz0rz.
Blonde hair spiking, earring wearing, crotchsniffing pre op tranny. Hey SJM, why the switch to Ace?
I like Ace. Casy Anytime Oversky, what's not to like? Watching Reach zealot rush and fail again and again has merits too.
I like T1 the most too but I like Ace fans more than T1 fans. -_-;;;; ;/??
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On December 11 2008 01:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
Go kill yourself Rushz0rz.
Blonde hair spiking, earring wearing, crotchsniffing pre op tranny.
hahah blond hair? earrings?
sjm 0-10 rushz0rz with reps GG
he went to Ace because he is in love with Anytime.
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Canata has to be one of the dumbest progamer I've watched, what kind of retard goes mass wraith and goliaths vs BCs and tanks+ numerous scans?
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On December 11 2008 13:23 bubblegumbo wrote:
Canata has to be one of the dumbest progamer I've watched, what kind of retard goes mass wraith and goliaths vs BCs and tanks+ numerous scans?
Oov went mass wraiths in a 2 hour game vs boxer when he uses BCs + Gols
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 11 2008 13:23 bubblegumbo wrote:
Canata has to be one of the dumbest progamer I've watched, what kind of retard goes mass wraith and goliaths vs BCs and tanks+ numerous scans?
Last season Canata took a game away like that using the same strat
except he had more map control last time...
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On December 11 2008 13:45 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2008 13:23 bubblegumbo wrote:
Canata has to be one of the dumbest progamer I've watched, what kind of retard goes mass wraith and goliaths vs BCs and tanks+ numerous scans? Last season Canata took a game away like that using the same strat except he had more map control last time...
I think it was vs Lomo last season?
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 11 2008 03:58 SuperJongMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2008 01:38 MrHoon wrote:On December 11 2008 01:37 SuperJongMan wrote:
Go kill yourself Rushz0rz.
Blonde hair spiking, earring wearing, crotchsniffing pre op tranny. Hey SJM, why the switch to Ace? I like Ace. Casy Anytime Oversky, what's not to like? Watching Reach zealot rush and fail again and again has merits too. I like T1 the most too but I like Ace fans more than T1 fans. -_-;;;; ;/??
pffffffffff
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