EPT[PL] WeMade vs eSTRO - Page 9
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KnightOfNi
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 06 2008 15:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: Lecaf is known for being a team that lacks depth. Why? They rely entirely on their aces. Be it anytime [thats over now...] forgg, Jaedong, Lomo, or Backho. The later two to only small extents. What I mean is, the players that are good on lecaf, are very good, but no other players are getting air time. The result? Lecaf has amazing results, but the 'future generation' is virtually unprepared. Other teams have made this mistake in the past, and they get raped for it. Next season Lecaf is going to HAVE to make the transiiton if they want to keep their spot as a top team.Umm, they have fOrGG and Jaedong and a bunch of good supporting players. I would only put Khan and STX over them. CJ's player is still developing, OGN's players aren't as high caliber and some of them have a weak MU, and actually Stars is deeper, but are Zero and GGPlay better? Lecaf is "deep" because their supporting players can win games, unlike KTF who have no decent supporting cast after their two hitters. KTF is a good example I guess, of what could happen to lecaf. They didn't develop the next generation properly, so outside of their ace players, they as you said, have no good players. Admittedly that is an over exaggeration, firefist, 815, tempest etc are all very good- up and comers. They are getting their air time, and a few among them next season, or the next, may become top consistent pro gamers. KTF has been taking a beating lately because of the transition they are making. In the long term, they are running their team more logically than Lecaf. Thats all there is to it. On December 06 2008 15:51 thunk wrote: Well, the truth is, Really is Estr0s best player. Upmagic is inconsistent....Sangho definitely has the capabilities to be compared to really. Nonetheless, Really is just *such* a strong player all around, that hes being sent up against the best, is usually ace [iirc]. He's the better player. Though they are all doing fairly well lately, and thats a good sign. Really is 8-6, so not as impressive as SH and UM. I guess I knew that but didn't know it, if that makes sense. But them combined, they're 22-10, which is really quite fearsome (Like 63%). But Sangho and Upmagic by themselves are 78%, so even more impressive. Good for Estro. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
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clazziquai
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KIZZBG WILL BE PROUD | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On December 06 2008 15:45 thunk wrote: Kinghts of Ni I shall go to war with you after this game. Hold on. Remember last year when Flash had to beat his way through like 4 lecaf players to get to the MSL finals (potentially; he didn't). That's alone is 4 legit players that are at least MSL caliber that could be played. Here are their team stats from TLPD: Jaedong 10-6 Blackho 5-6 ForGG 5-2 Hiya 4-4 Lomo 4-5 Dongrae 1-0 inter-young 1-0 They have 5 legit players that they can use every game, and they have. They've been winning a lot too. Versus Khan and STX who have both have 4 players who are "reliable" enough to have played more than 5 games. I think the "deepest" team in terms of distribution of games has to be OGN though. They have 13 players (that's like their whole entire team) have at least played 1 game, with 5 players who have played over 5 games. I think that the talent of Lecaf's players who play a lot is a lot better so they win more. But OGN is to be feared, to say the least. | ||
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On December 06 2008 15:53 Dazed_Spy wrote: Lecaf is known for being a team that lacks depth. Why? They rely entirely on their aces. Be it anytime [thats over now...] forgg, Jaedong, Lomo, or Backho. The later two to only small extents. What I mean is, the players that are good on lecaf, are very good, but no other players are getting air time. The result? Lecaf has amazing results, but the 'future generation' is virtually unprepared. Other teams have made this mistake in the past, and they get raped for it. Next season Lecaf is going to HAVE to make the transiiton if they want to keep their spot as a top team. KTF is a good example I guess, of what could happen to lecaf. They didn't develop the next generation properly, so outside of their ace players, they as you said, have no good players. Admittedly that is an over exaggeration, firefist, 815, tempest etc are all very good- up and comers. They are getting their air time, and a few among them next season, or the next, may become top consistent pro gamers. KTF has been taking a beating lately because of the transition they are making. In the long term, they are running their team more logically than Lecaf. Thats all there is to it. Well, the truth is, Really is Estr0s best player. Upmagic is inconsistent....Sangho definitely has the capabilities to be compared to really. Nonetheless, Really is just *such* a strong player all around, that hes being sent up against the best, is usually ace [iirc]. He's the better player. Though they are all doing fairly well lately, and thats a good sign. I remember reading an interview about KTF where the coach openly stated that they didn't develop new talent enough. It would be a fair argument to say the same about SKT1, even with Fantasy and Best consistently winning. They're have nobody obvious to step into Best or Fantasy's shoes should one of them depart. I felt like I was missing something. While Really doesn't have a better record, the fact that he's played almost the same amount of games as Sangho and Upmagic combined says something about his reliability. It says that on any give day, the eStro coach thinks that Really's more likely to win a given MU on a given map than Sangho or Upmagic. Which would make Really eStro's best player as you said. Although he's lost some, the fact that he was even chosen indicates his skill and confidence in the eStro house. | ||
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QibingZero
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On December 06 2008 15:53 Dazed_Spy wrote: Lecaf is known for being a team that lacks depth. Why? They rely entirely on their aces. Be it anytime [thats over now...] forgg, Jaedong, Lomo, or Backho. The later two to only small extents. What I mean is, the players that are good on lecaf, are very good, but no other players are getting air time. The result? Lecaf has amazing results, but the 'future generation' is virtually unprepared. Other teams have made this mistake in the past, and they get raped for it. Next season Lecaf is going to HAVE to make the transiiton if they want to keep their spot as a top team. KTF is a good example I guess, of what could happen to lecaf. They didn't develop the next generation properly, so outside of their ace players, they as you said, have no good players. Admittedly that is an over exaggeration, firefist, 815, tempest etc are all very good- up and comers. They are getting their air time, and a few among them next season, or the next, may become top consistent pro gamers. KTF has been taking a beating lately because of the transition they are making. In the long term, they are running their team more logically than Lecaf. Thats all there is to it. Well, the truth is, Really is Estr0s best player. Upmagic is inconsistent....Sangho definitely has the capabilities to be compared to really. Nonetheless, Really is just *such* a strong player all around, that hes being sent up against the best, is usually ace [iirc]. He's the better player. Though they are all doing fairly well lately, and thats a good sign. This would've been true last round, but this round contradicts what you're saying. And everything rely on their "Aces". "Aces" are just the best people of their team and every team plays the best all the time, not just Lecaf. I mean look at STX (last round). | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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PeAcY6969
France621 Posts
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asel
Germany1601 Posts
 eSTRO win  Really didnt see Really losing to Pure | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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keit
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simcar
Korea (South)118 Posts
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L0thar
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Or did Mind's inconsistency strike again? | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On December 06 2008 20:46 adelarge wrote: Medusa is such a piece of shit map... Or did Mind's inconsistency strike again? Was wondering the same thing props for Estro they are doing well . Edit: Lol i missclicked quote then edit ... | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 06 2008 15:40 KnightOfNi wrote: Oh and Sangho and UpMagic are quietly going 14-4 this proleague season (SH is 8-2, UM is 6-2)... Now that is fucking impressive. Granted, UpMagiC is (in)famous for his inconsistency, but it's nice to see him winning against Zergs for once and winning a few in a row. KEEP IT UP BOI! | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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