EPT[PL]ACE vs Samsung Khan - Page 13
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Ozarugold
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Lebesgue
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On November 16 2008 00:40 KOFgokuon wrote: lol oversky is hte only good player on ace >< I was just about to post the same. He is the only one who can win games against decent opponents. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
Btw, if I were ACE coach I would have my terran players train for some BO in RAII, because it is clear Mumyung sucks, and Oversky is too valuable to waste him in ZvZ. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Hes beaten Luxury in recent times too. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
- Let's say he has equal chances in both, since Sair is a tougher adversary than Juni, but ZvZ's variance levels the thing. - Mumyung has virtually 0% chance vs both Sair and Juni, but since ZvZ sometimes turns into a little bit of a gamble, especially when both zergs aren't that great, he ends up with a 10% chance of winning. Conclusion - You have 2 zergs. One is pretty decent, the other sucks. One has a fair chance of winning in any given match. The other doesn't. However, once in a blue moon, the villain might get lucky and get to win in ZvZ. You give him the ZvZ in order to improve from 0% chances to a very slight remote very long shot chance. This is PL. It's not about giving Oversky the best mu possible for him, but to get 3 wins. So the scenario displays like this. 1)Oversky in ZvZ. He might win. He might lose. Mumying will lose 100 games out of 100. 2)Oversky not in RAII. He might win, he might lose. Mumyung will lose 90 games out of 100. Option 2 is closer to winning, since you just need Daezang or Boxer to step up. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On November 18 2008 07:56 RamenStyle wrote: <3 Oversky. This guy is the only one in ACE to deliver. Btw, if I were ACE coach I would have my terran players train for some BO in RAII, because it is clear Mumyung sucks, and Oversky is too valuable to waste him in ZvZ. For a second I read RAII as "(command and conquer) red alert 2" and thought "wow! that's HARSH!" (like you meant they shouldn't even be playing starcraft)... but yeah, Raid Assault. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
On November 18 2008 10:20 RamenStyle wrote: Still. ZvZ is too much of a gamble to risk your best player in such a MU. Let's put it this way. Oversky has chances in both vs Sair and vs Juni. - Let's say he has equal chances in both, since Sair is a tougher adversary than Juni, but ZvZ's variance levels the thing. - Mumyung has virtually 0% chance vs both Sair and Juni, but since ZvZ sometimes turns into a little bit of a gamble, especially when both zergs aren't that great, he ends up with a 10% chance of winning. Conclusion - You have 2 zergs. One is pretty decent, the other sucks. One has a fair chance of winning in any given match. The other doesn't. However, once in a blue moon, the villain might get lucky and get to win in ZvZ. You give him the ZvZ in order to improve from 0% chances to a very slight remote very long shot chance. This is PL. It's not about giving Oversky the best mu possible for him, but to get 3 wins. So the scenario displays like this. 1)Oversky in ZvZ. He might win. He might lose. Mumying will lose 100 games out of 100. 2)Oversky not in RAII. He might win, he might lose. Mumyung will lose 90 games out of 100. Option 2 is closer to winning, since you just need Daezang or Boxer to step up. And there is the problem with your statement. The part of the team that is not named Oversky (or Boxer/foru who are 3-4) are 1-18. Yeah. Ouch. Oversky is 5-2, but when the rest of the team sucks that hardcore, you can't do a damn thing about it. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
On November 18 2008 13:17 KnightOfNi wrote: And there is the problem with your statement. The part of the team that is not named Oversky (or Boxer/foru who are 3-4) are 1-18. Yeah. Ouch. Oversky is 5-2, but when the rest of the team sucks that hardcore, you can't do a damn thing about it. I don't know the reason, but usually one of their supposedly good 3's is always left in the bench, let it be Boxer, Oversky or Daezang. If it were me, they would be starting every week, but I guess Air Force training issues. Anyways. You need 3 wins, right? - Slot 1. Oversky. He could be both used for the ZvZ or other mu. - Slot 2. Boxer or DZ. Lately they have been doing kind of bad, but still everyone has hopes that they will deliver from time to time. The day one of these two wins, you are just one step far from victory. - Slot 3. The rest of the team sucks. Sunny, foru, mumyung, rage... It's basically auto-lose. But if they send mumyung on the zvz, well, because of the mu characteristics, mumyung could get lucky as hell and bring home a win. In the case Oversky did his thing and Boxer or DZ delivered, well, there you have it. In case you decide to burn oversky on ZvZ, then you have the scrub guys facing a sure defeat. I guess if Boxer and DZ would play every week with Oversky we won't be discussing this, but the fact is that the coach likes to give play time to scrubs over the only players likely to win. | ||
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