EPTAdded: Andromeda, Othello, Troy
Removed: Python, Tau Cross, Neo Beakdu Daegan, WCG Gaia
Thoughts?
WCG: Maps changed
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Added: Andromeda, Othello, Troy Removed: Python, Tau Cross, Neo Beakdu Daegan, WCG Gaia Thoughts? | ||
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BlackStar
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Elsi
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BlackStar
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Boblion
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asel
Germany1600 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
and jesus, andromeda | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Othello replacing Gaia would have been golden. But so many nationals have started already. I doubt they will change maps for nationals. Maybe the Koreans will. Maybe that's also the reason for the change? Because WCG Korea are going to use Blue Storm, Troy, Andromeda, Othello? If so, how can we ever blame WCG for copying Korea? 8. Counter-Strike A.Added i. German version of the game will be used at the GF Does that mean one with green blood or something? | ||
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
I don't agree with totally copying the latest Korean map pool, but well. Either Baekdu or Blue Storm had to go as they're sorta similar (but obviously, different too  ). I would've voted BS to go and Baekdu to stay as it was way more interesting, but meh.Could include an older, or other new (Wuthering mb? bit boring but still) map instead of Andromeda, and that would be fine. P.s.: Hungarian qualifications didn't start yet, so I think we will use these maps (even though I bet many have started hardcore Pythoning  ) | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
What? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On June 27 2008 20:43 BlackStar wrote: Colossus & Wuthering >>> Troy & Andromeda imo Troy and andromeda >>> Colossus & Wuthering (this is Zerg point of view) | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
I haven't found WCG nearly as interesting ever since they stopped using their own maps. Way cooler that way. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:19 FrozenArbiter wrote: Really wtf?lol troy | ||
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Flopgun
Germany274 Posts
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
This is so retarded. YES ADD NEW PRO MAPS THAT WERE PLAYED ABOUT 20 TIMES. Yes ALL THE FOREIGNERS practiced for NOTHING the last 3 months. GOOD JOB WCG THANK YOU. Python/Blue/Tau/Gaia/Peaks was probably the BEST and most balanced map pool that WCG ever ever ever ever could have gotten... and now you do what? Just leave thing all out to the Koreans who practice those maps 15h a day anyway? Thats just not fair. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
They might reverse the decision. | ||
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
As well as removing some maps that we have played, and have practiced for a long time, python peaks so forth, they added new pro-league maps. Troy is an example of an unbalanced map, favoriing p>z as the p can just turtle for 2 hours. If we could manage to get a thread going as a "petition thread" where all who posted in it, would have their name put into a TL.Net Email to WCG, this might cause some WCG interest. If we could have an admin open such a thread where we all put our names down, then have some1 write this email with all those names of those who posted in it I would be the first name ^^. Anyway I hope we can find some way to change WCG's mind. | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
<3 blue,troy,othello! | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
EDIT:I'd rather se fastest than Troy. | ||
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
"whats that korea? you want those maps? ok, I'm sorry rest of the world!" | ||
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RaiZ
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As if you play like the progamers and know everything about imbalances... Jesus fucking christ. Don't make me laugh plz cauz you obviously don't know wtf you're really talking about. It's soooo fucking nice that we got rid of this shitty map pool that is gaia paranoid baekdudaeganwhatever. God just stop talking like sh!t without even mentionning any argument to remove theses maps. Again stop whinning plz thanks. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:19 FrozenArbiter wrote: what.. this year?lol troy I haven't found WCG nearly as interesting ever since they stopped using their own maps. Way cooler that way. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On June 27 2008 22:49 RaiZ wrote: WTF ? Stop whinning bitches... As if you play like the progamers and know everything about imbalances... Jesus fucking christ. Don't make me laugh plz cauz you obviously don't know wtf you're really talking about. It's soooo fucking nice that we got rid of this shitty map pool that is gaia paranoid baekdudaeganwhatever. God just stop talking like sh!t without even mentionning any argument to remove theses maps. Again stop whinning plz thanks. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/168_Troy It seems to me that troy just might be a little bit hard for zergs. My personal main consern is that it is boring tho. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
edit: Now I actually have to practice.... I've only played these maps a handful of times. Tau and Python are my best maps and I just know i'll suck on Troy even though it's a P map. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Fuk macro boring python, fuk gaia and its obstacles and critter everywhere that just annoy the sh!t out of me, Tau cross is OK just macro as well and it doesn't have ramps so less strategics bo, baek is just plain boring because we have to scout all over the maps in order to prevent any greedy bases, and its center is just painfull to play. And no i don't like them just because i lose everytime on them, in fact i've a positive ratio on all those maps, it's just that it's so boring to play nothing more. Hell i'll stop there because i may face so many haters now that i've mentionned all my thoughts. I'll just say : stop whining. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:04 Excello.ChOseN wrote: I Hate Wcg. Pure Hate, at the only tournament run with the exact opposite of professionalism. Might as well be a tournament run by 10 year olds all randomly changing things during the tournament. I Hate Wcg. *NODS* | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:27 iNfeRnaL wrote: GOD DAMN. This is so retarded. YES ADD NEW PRO MAPS THAT WERE PLAYED ABOUT 20 TIMES. Yes ALL THE FOREIGNERS practiced for NOTHING the last 3 months. GOOD JOB WCG THANK YOU. Python/Blue/Tau/Gaia/Peaks was probably the BEST and most balanced map pool that WCG ever ever ever ever could have gotten... and now you do what? Just leave thing all out to the Koreans who practice those maps 15h a day anyway? Thats just not fair. *NODS* | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
The argument against the new maps from a balance perspective is more subjective than the "screwing foreigners" perspective. WCG players will probably have more luck if they talk about their practice time on the former map pool rather than just saying "WTF these maps suck". | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
troy...SIGH time to get zealot rushed and have no say in the early game. the map pool was SO GOOD this year too. gaia was trash sure but python/tau/blue/peaks was just amazing. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On June 27 2008 23:26 Jonoman92 wrote: Artosis didn't we change that other tourney (even though no one participated because it was possibly even worse than WCG) by mass complaining and posting? Lets harass WCG until they make a compromise. Maybe Python, Tau, Othello, and a new korean 2 player map (are there any?) I think having a 2 player map would be nice, but even they must concede that completely changing the map pool, not just slightly altering one or 2 maps mid-tourney is completely ridiculous. you know its hilariously funny that they changed these maps. if you look on the site they changed these "due to user feedback". well i know damn well that not one non korean told them to put these idiot maps in. so they basically ignored foreigners and did something JUST FOR THE 30 KOREAN PROS WHO ARE SEEDED INTO WCG KOREA FINALS. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL | ||
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Artosis
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BlackStar
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RowdierBob
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Jonoman92
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On June 27 2008 23:15 RaiZ wrote: Dire and Bifrost are among my all time favourite maps so I guess we are not so different after all. Then let me say you that I love this map. I got SO fucking bored of all those macro boring maps where we ALWAYS do the same shit. Bring back lotem, dire strait (Yes i'm zerg and yes i lose against protoss so what ? It doesn't change the fact that this map is just INTERESTING to play) and whatever, hell even bifrost, god i love bifrost, so many cheesy strats that were just pure fun. Fuk macro boring python, fuk gaia and its obstacles and critter everywhere that just annoy the sh!t out of me, Tau cross is OK just macro as well and it doesn't have ramps so less strategics bo, baek is just plain boring because we have to scout all over the maps in order to prevent any greedy bases, and its center is just painfull to play. And no i don't like them just because i lose everytime on them, in fact i've a positive ratio on all those maps, it's just that it's so boring to play nothing more. Hell i'll stop there because i may face so many haters now that i've mentionned all my thoughts. I'll just say : stop whining.  | ||
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ryung70
Germany227 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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G5
United States2917 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:27 iNfeRnaL wrote: GOD DAMN. This is so retarded. YES ADD NEW PRO MAPS THAT WERE PLAYED ABOUT 20 TIMES. Yes ALL THE FOREIGNERS practiced for NOTHING the last 3 months. GOOD JOB WCG THANK YOU. Python/Blue/Tau/Gaia/Peaks was probably the BEST and most balanced map pool that WCG ever ever ever ever could have gotten... and now you do what? Just leave thing all out to the Koreans who practice those maps 15h a day anyway? Thats just not fair. On June 27 2008 23:27 Artosis wrote: the map pool was SO GOOD this year too. gaia was trash sure but python/tau/blue/peaks was just amazing. On June 28 2008 00:49 iG.ClouD wrote: gay | ||
IefNaij
Canada291 Posts
 edit; I'm not being sarcastic fyi. | ||
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
For all of those who have practiced for WCG, during their freetime, playing these maps, going thru qualifiers with these maps, and undoubetly going thru regionals with these same maps, this is a nightmare. WCG honestly needs 2 look into the non-korean interests, because altho korea is 1 big sc country, there are many other countries in this tournament. Try and show some professionalism and don't ruin our WCG by catering to a few koreans. Play the good maps, Python Tau BS Peaks Gaia. The new ones we all know aren't balanced properly. For all you who say that python tau are overplayed, its because there GREAT maps. Every1 enjoys them, they lead to GREAT macro games. If you find macro games boring, its cuz your not watching the right reps! Anyway Thats my 2 cents. Hope we can change this.. ! | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
If you would also like to send an email I used this link: http://www.icm2k.com/eng_contact.html and selected "WCG Game Rule" Glad ive been practicing the old map pool! | ||
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I find that changing the maps at this stage to be outrageous. Many players take this tournament very seriously as it is arguably the most prestigious Starcraft: Broodwar tournament on the calendar, and therefore many gamers spend months practicing the maps. Many national qualifiers have been completed or are currently underway with the old map pool. I believe that the reason given for the map changes on the WCG news post (“Following the gamer and community feedback, WCG committee has updated the rules for better tournament operations as below.”) to be laughable. I will go out on a limb and assume that the only community that has requested this is the Korean community, because the outrage in the non-Korean community is clear to see. If you really do listen to user feedback then you will act as a professional organisation should and change the maps back. Here is how the news was taken on the two biggest Starcraft: Broodwar community sites: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=74161 http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/8609-world-cyber-games-changes-map-pool-again Here are some quotes from these threads: “that must be a joke=? how can they change the mappool so close before wcg qualifications? i only played python, tau cross, gaia, peaks and blue last 2 months.... even didnt play andromeda or Troy because i only used old WCG maps LOOOOOOL so sad and koreans will win now even easier... “ “For all of those who have practiced for WCG, during their freetime, playing these maps, going thru qualifiers with these maps, and undoubetly going thru regionals with these same maps, this is a nightmare. WCG honestly needs 2 look into the non-korean interests, because altho korea is 1 big sc country, there are many other countries in this tournament. Try and show some professionalism and don't ruin our WCG by catering to a few koreans. Play the good maps, Python Tau BS Peaks Gaia. The new ones we all know aren't balanced properly. “ “GOD DAMN. This is so retarded. YES ADD NEW PRO MAPS THAT WERE PLAYED ABOUT 20 TIMES. Yes ALL THE FOREIGNERS practiced for NOTHING the last 3 months. GOOD JOB WCG THANK YOU. Python/Blue/Tau/Gaia/Peaks was probably the BEST and most balanced map pool that WCG ever ever ever ever could have gotten... and now you do what? Just leave thing all out to the Koreans who practice those maps 15h a day anyway? Thats just not fair.” “you know its hilariously funny that they changed these maps. if you look on the site they changed these "due to user feedback". well i know damn well that not one non korean told them to put these idiot maps in. so they basically ignored foreigners and did something JUST FOR THE 30 KOREAN PROS WHO ARE SEEDED INTO WCG KOREA FINALS.” Yours faithfully, xxxxx xxxxx | ||
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XCetron
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
I don't think it's fucked up that much to change them for the grand finals. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
On June 28 2008 01:29 BlackStar wrote: This change is only for WCG grand finals. Let's hope nationals are responsible enough not to change anything last minute. I don't think it's fucked up that much to change them for the grand finals. I disagree with your opinion. I think it's very fucked up. edit: I guess if it doesn't effect regionals or national finals it won't really effect me, but it's still unfair to help Koreans who have unlimited practice time anyway vs foreigners who can't play 24/7 and have already been playing the other set of maps. It also means people must practice one set of maps to try and qualify for the grand finals and then they only have that time span from the end of their counrty's finals to the grand final to practice the new maps. | ||
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ryung70
Germany227 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Troy and andromeda >>> Colossus & Wuthering (this is Zerg point of view) What? Try playing Troy ZvP. LOL | ||
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iLjh
United States160 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 27 2008 22:49 RaiZ wrote: WTF ? Stop whinning bitches... As if you play like the progamers and know everything about imbalances... Jesus fucking christ. Don't make me laugh plz cauz you obviously don't know wtf you're really talking about. It's soooo fucking nice that we got rid of this shitty map pool that is gaia paranoid baekdudaeganwhatever. God just stop talking like sh!t without even mentionning any argument to remove theses maps. Again stop whinning plz thanks. PA was already out so why don't you shut the hell up? | ||
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
On June 28 2008 02:17 ryung70 wrote: i think it's hilarious that many ppl think WCG is foreigners vs koreans tournament. there will be only 3 koreans. more than half the players won't even play a korean so quit whining how unfair it is lol how is it fair for the peope who have spent months practicing the maps, as they are now equal to those who have put in no preparation. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
and really gaia is SUCH A BAD MAP. andromeda // troy are very bad maps too. i think othello/bluestorm are both excellent. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
these are definitely some maps that give amateurs a chance at the grand finals!! | ||
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On June 28 2008 02:51 NonY[rC] wrote: "not enough time to practice" is a weak excuse. Ive practiced more time on the old maps than I will on the new maps. And why did they change the maps? Because the Korean progamers don't have enough time to practice. If all national finals changed their map pool now, which they might, then that's obviously terrible. | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
BTW, they haven't updated their map pack on the site yet. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
blackstar, i don't think it's relevant that you're better on other maps. i don't think tournaments should have to announce their maps more than a couple months in advance. by professional standards (OSL, MSL, etc) and by amateur standards (TSL, WGT events, GG.net events, etc), 2+ months is a lot of time. that's just the way it is. WCG should be the last organization targeted for releasing map pools in a timely manner. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
But that they want to use the new Korean maps is normal, they always did that. The whole foreigner scene always used whatever new maps the Korean scene created. And that's good, because otherwise we'd still be playing on fucking Lost Temple. We need new maps... and progamers or wannabe pros need to train for and play on whatever maps the tournament organizers choose. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
It's that they announced a map pool. Nationals copy that. And then they changed it. So now they have two different map pools for the same event. If nationals are now also changing it, that's terrible for obvious reasons. But I don't understand why people are now criticizing WCG on following Korea. Which is exactly what people have demanded from them here for years. I thought I was practicing WCG maps. I forced myself to play Gaia and I forced others to play Peaks. All for WCG. Now, I am going to get owned terribly so that's not the issue that much. | ||
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On June 27 2008 20:16 asel wrote: No way, i cant belive they removed the good maps and added this shit lollll I'm so fucking pissed.... It's not that the old maps were GREAT, but they've been the same thing for like... 8 YEARS! I can't believe they changed it dude! Wow imagine how well koreans will do jesus christ. | ||
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On June 28 2008 02:17 ryung70 wrote: i think it's hilarious that many ppl think WCG is foreigners vs koreans tournament. there will be only 3 koreans. more than half the players won't even play a korean so quit whining how unfair it is lol It's hilarious because if some of the best koreans win WCG korea.... They most likely will win WCG because they practice those maps EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On June 28 2008 03:28 CTStalker wrote: looks like non-koreans are going to ass-raped harder than usual this year I can't believe they picked some of the silliest maps too! | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4131 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On June 27 2008 23:15 RaiZ wrote: Then let me say you that I love this map. I got SO fucking bored of all those macro boring maps where we ALWAYS do the same shit. Bring back lotem, dire strait (Yes i'm zerg and yes i lose against protoss so what ? It doesn't change the fact that this map is just INTERESTING to play) and whatever, hell even bifrost, god i love bifrost, so many cheesy strats that were just pure fun. Fuk macro boring python, fuk gaia and its obstacles and critter everywhere that just annoy the sh!t out of me, baek is just plain boring because we have to scout all over the maps in order to prevent any greedy bases, and its center is just painfull to play. And no i don't like them just because i lose everytime on them, in fact i've a positive ratio on all those maps, it's just that it's so boring to play nothing more. I'll just say : stop whining. I think that a massive hole in your argument is that maps shouldn't necessarily be interesting for the World Cyber Games, they should be balanced. Andromeda is not balanced. Troy is not balanced. Python and Blue Storm, having been played for longer, are at the point where all of the best map strategies have been discovered and play on the maps is balanced. If you want interesting, then when you play Python, if you scout him fast 9pool rather than 12hatch; it's the players' decision to play standard or non-standard, the maps should still remain as balanced as possible. This is basically like saying "Let's make Mercury a WCG map! It's soooooo fun and completely not boring to watch Protoss players try to sneak an impossible win over Zergs!!" | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Also, rush maps/games can be pretty lame. There is a reason why maps became more macro oriented. It's because it game better matches for the spectators. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WCG truly is beyond the game. lol I like the maps my guess is that WCG Korea is gonna use the new maps so WCG decided to follow suit and if Korean leagues use those maps, why not WCG... | ||
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On June 28 2008 03:24 BlackStar wrote: Now, I am going to get owned terribly so that's not the issue that much. cuz of maps?? :7 | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On June 28 2008 04:55 ret wrote: cuz of maps?? :7 Of course not. That's the point. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On June 28 2008 03:21 0xDEADBEEF wrote: They shouldn't change maps all of a sudden. But that they want to use the new Korean maps is normal, they always did that. The whole foreigner scene always used whatever new maps the Korean scene created. And that's good, because otherwise we'd still be playing on fucking Lost Temple. We need new maps... and progamers or wannabe pros need to train for and play on whatever maps the tournament organizers choose. Play on Lost Temple declined due to ladders such as PGT dropping it from the map pool altoghether. It had almost nothing to do with it being removed from the WCG pool. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
Someone mentioned WCG should make their own maps. Well, they did, in fact they ALWAYS did. The problem was they didn't change it for the past few years (not 8 as someone mentioned LOL), except for adding Peaks of Baekdu last year as a half-assed effort to make them look they care. They were also lazy to do something unique this year, so originally they scrapped half the map pool and added some popular maps, which they just shafted for the even more recent pro maps. Imo, this isn't totally a bad thing...I mean it is BAD, LAZY, AND HALF-ASSED to change while the qualifications in some nations are already under way, BUT at least we are not playing on the same old fucking Gaia again which I bet everyone was FUCKING SICK OF. And we had to whine for 2+ years to make them change their damn map pool, let's just be happy they didn't revert to the good ol' Azalea PA Gaia wootwooooot. Eh. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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dshsdhk
Korea (South)61 Posts
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
right when i thought.. organazation COULDNT get any worse. they go ahead and do this.. T.T there goes my 1000+ hours of practice on (wcg maps lol) that now arnt even considered wcg maps now........... time to switch races to protoss now... since thats obv what these maps favor.... | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
You can only blame them for changing them. | ||
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
On June 28 2008 08:55 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: thats sad, we need another tsl seconded | ||
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G5
United States2917 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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WorldCommunist8
United States226 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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LonelyMargarita
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
brazil dont even have starcraft on wcg anymore =/ | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
These are all the maps that i've been playing on when i've helped friends to practice for WCG. lawl they are going to be pissed. I don't think the map pool is bad, it's however really bad to change it right in the middle of everything. | ||
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Varian
Korea (South)17 Posts
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Varian
Korea (South)17 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On June 28 2008 04:32 blabber wrote: lol I like the maps my guess is that WCG Korea is gonna use the new maps so WCG decided to follow suit and if Korean leagues use those maps, why not WCG... i have a sneaking suspicion that you aren't participating in wcg | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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EnergyTraction
Canada233 Posts
On June 27 2008 22:49 RaiZ wrote: WTF ? Stop whinning bitches... As if you play like the progamers and know everything about imbalances... Jesus fucking christ. Don't make me laugh plz cauz you obviously don't know wtf you're really talking about. It's soooo fucking nice that we got rid of this shitty map pool that is gaia paranoid baekdudaeganwhatever. God just stop talking like sh!t without even mentionning any argument to remove theses maps. Again stop whinning plz thanks. YOu might want to get up to date before you start bitching people out, the map pool with paranoid etc is history | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
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ShoutAbout
Brazil177 Posts
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ShoutAbout
Brazil177 Posts
On July 01 2008 02:23 stalife wrote: just be glad they didn't take away WCG from your country guys Actually they took BW from Brazil lol | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
PS- So for the maps they have just those 3 now? Where is the complete map pool? | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Othello -> good. Troy -> Produces shitloads of cool games(ok, few gay games also:D), so good. Andromeda -> macro map, but theres been lot worse maps @ wcg before... But then again, my country dosent have WCG, so my 2cents dosent really matter  .@Charlie, IIRC WCG 2006 was played with 3 maps also, Estrella was removed and PA, GAIA and Azalea were the maps.. Those maps were created by WCG as was maps before(Dahlia, Korhal of Ceres, Chow Chow and Gorpy Park). | ||
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EnergyTraction
Canada233 Posts
On July 01 2008 04:34 CharlieMurphy wrote: WCG obviously just randomly pics some weird maps from pro leagues every year. The maps always blow which is why I never cared for them other than watching the finals and shit. PS- So for the maps they have just those 3 now? Where is the complete map pool? if by every year you mean....this year | ||
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VioleTAK
4339 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WCG truly is beyond the game. | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
On June 28 2008 06:13 Naib wrote: Some people here really like talking outta their asses... Someone mentioned WCG should make their own maps. Well, they did, in fact they ALWAYS did. The problem was they didn't change it for the past few years (not 8 as someone mentioned LOL), except for adding Peaks of Baekdu last year as a half-assed effort to make them look they care. They were also lazy to do something unique this year, so originally they scrapped half the map pool and added some popular maps, which they just shafted for the even more recent pro maps. Imo, this isn't totally a bad thing...I mean it is BAD, LAZY, AND HALF-ASSED to change while the qualifications in some nations are already under way, BUT at least we are not playing on the same old fucking Gaia again which I bet everyone was FUCKING SICK OF. And we had to whine for 2+ years to make them change their damn map pool, let's just be happy they didn't revert to the good ol' Azalea PA Gaia wootwooooot. Eh. Damn, I'm forgetting things. I'm old. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
congrats g5 | ||
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WCG truly is beyond the game. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
They did well making their own (admittedly imbalanced) maps before, but this is just shit. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On July 02 2008 21:32 RaiZ wrote: What is bugging a lot are those of you crybaby bitches that are complaining about troy simply because they think it's imbalanced by koreans pro standard... I'm 100% positive if we played this map on iccup with D to B+ level we would have a very close 50% ratio in every matchup. maybe(and thats a big maybe), because your average D to B+ level player has no clue how to play it but wcg players who will now be practicing just those 4 maps until wcg time will know how to abuse it, and in that situation it is most definitely imbalanced. as is andromeda and, arguably, blue storm. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
On June 27 2008 21:21 Flopgun wrote: They changed the best mappool ever to this ? Oo lol? I like the new maps they added, except Troy.. as people said its only been played maybe 30 times? I seriously don't know why the fuck they would pick troy | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On July 02 2008 21:42 IdrA wrote: maybe(and thats a big maybe), because your average D to B+ level player has no clue how to play it but wcg players who will now be practicing just those 4 maps until wcg time will know how to abuse it, and in that situation it is most definitely imbalanced. as is andromeda and, arguably, blue storm. Fair enough. It doesn't change the fact that it'll bring some entertaining (or cheesy) matches compared to most macro maps which we do almost exactly the same build order. And for sure it won't bring some funny matches from a spectator's perspective which isn't really good for the publicity. But you'll probably say : who care ? Since bw is dying... Oh well whatever. Now that you played probably more than us what is in ur opinion the most balanced map we can get in a wcg map pool (try to be the most impartial though not from a Terran point of view) ? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
i dont know the osl/msl specific maps as ive barely played them. | ||
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
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