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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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warandpeaches
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Sooke
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On September 23 2025 12:12 warandpeaches wrote: Lowkey think these are the two best players in the world right now... agreed. cant wait for this ro8 match | ||
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Katkishka
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prototype.
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RowdierBob
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Snow’s greatest strength is also his weakness in PvZ imo. He plays so solid, but standard, that it’s almost like playing with maphack against him. I think he’s better than effort but I think he needs to mix things up a bit tonight too. Should be a great series! | ||
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Uldridge
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iFU.pauline
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prosatan
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LB on Snow | ||
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Simplistik
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Cocorian
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Peeano
Netherlands5192 Posts
I think Snow can beat more easily Effort in a Bo1 then the other way around, but Effort can outsmart God in Bo5 and Bo7 all day, so who knows where this goes. I voted Snow. | ||
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pseudosignal
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Soulforged
Latvia934 Posts
...though from what I see, in matches between players who know each other very well, the race that usually has less information, is more advantageous(simply because of external/meta knowledge) On another hand, Effort is the mind game god. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines398 Posts
I want snow to win but effort deserves a second run with the gold | ||
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ScoutWBF
Germany629 Posts
Snow? | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
Motion to retcon this tournie and have someone cooler take mini out in a non-shit manner. Like there's no way Arya kills the night king by jumping out of a tree with a steak knife. Sorry. Mini needs a Tony Stark death and multiple minutes where he's dying and loved ones get to come up to him and cry. He can't just get hit by a bus out of nowhere with some shitbag driving. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines398 Posts
better hope for effort if you want rax to move forward i guess | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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konadora
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prosatan
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On September 23 2025 19:05 konadora wrote: i got a feeling Effort will win this 4-2 I hope so Kona! tho i went with Snow on LB.... | ||
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prosatan
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DarkPlasmaBall
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gravity
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konadora
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DarkPlasmaBall
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 19:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That could have been really bad for Snow, but he saved the reaver and the shuttle! And there it goes haha. | ||
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konadora
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DarkPlasmaBall
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gravity
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gravity
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gravity
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though it's not over yet | ||
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RowdierBob
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DarkPlasmaBall
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 19:34 RowdierBob wrote: Snow continuously losing his obs is hilarious and grim all at once. Yeah it's been like 3 or more observers now x.x Especially given how many lurkers are all over the map... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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konadora
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started off poor but went for fast 4 gas because Snow committed heavily into cannons and was forced to play defensively | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Excellent game from Effort! | ||
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
lets gogogo | ||
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gravity
Australia1988 Posts
Good reaver usage though. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6785 Posts
On September 23 2025 19:37 konadora wrote: Effort played that map perfectly started off poor but went for fast 4 gas because Snow committed heavily into cannons and was forced to play defensively Snow made 2 stargates opening so he didnt have a choice really. | ||
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Peeano
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 19:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Snow made 2 stargates opening so he didnt have a choice really. Yes, and he kind of had to due to unavoidable lack of info (fuck zvp). But he didn't play the best game, he lost 1 sair for free. He needs to play perfectly to win a b07 pvz vs effort. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
But having only 1 ob getting constantly sniped with those pushes is criminal -_- He prob would’ve won with the big counter push if doesn’t let his ob get sniped. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 19:41 Rainalcar wrote: Yes, and he kind of had to due to unavoidable lack of info (fuck zvp). But he didn't play the best game, he lost eg first sair for free. He needs to play perfectly to win a b07 pvz vs effort. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 23 2025 19:41 Peeano wrote: Hydras have insane dps, so every time a scarab struggles to path to its target, which happens a lot vs hydra chunks, the hydras can trade just fine. Just get storm please. and each time they connect they do devastaging damage.. | ||
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iopq
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6785 Posts
On September 23 2025 19:41 Rainalcar wrote: Yes, and he kind of had to due to unavoidable lack of info (fuck zvp). But he didn't play the best game, he lost 1 sair for free. He needs to play perfectly to win a b07 pvz vs effort. I dont totally agree. i think if he just invested a bit more into drop defense he would have been fine. For some reason Effort lurker drop just caught him by surprise. Snow showed that even in a very weak spot the game was very close. So i expect the rest of the maps to go more his way. | ||
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prosatan
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 23 2025 19:45 prosatan wrote: i just hope they don't remove this map on the next season ... Bro this is not even a question lol. But hopefully they try something different | ||
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Uldridge
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RogerChillingworth
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konadora
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prosatan
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prosatan
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On September 23 2025 19:50 konadora wrote: 11 nexus vs 11overpool? Pretty much | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Magic Powers
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On September 23 2025 19:50 prosatan wrote: This is bad for snow.. What? Couldn't have gone better for him haha | ||
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prosatan
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Now snow is a bit ahead i think | ||
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RowdierBob
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iFU.pauline
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DarkPlasmaBall
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SkelA
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prosatan
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On September 23 2025 19:52 Magic Powers wrote: What? Couldn't have gone better for him haha Indeed... I thought effort would follow up with more lings and end the game quickly | ||
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RowdierBob
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M2
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On September 23 2025 19:52 SkelA wrote: Snow has huge advantage. Just need to defend the predictable allin hydra bust now. Calling this a Huge advantage is kind of bold imo, but its an advantage | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 23 2025 19:54 M2 wrote: Calling this a Huge advantage is kind of bold imo, but its an advantage Indeed. More like the game is over. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
"ohhHHHH" "seumnida" no don't do that | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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edit: purple zerg has never won a game | ||
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iFU.pauline
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Magic Powers
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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M2
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On September 23 2025 19:55 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Indeed. More like the game is over. All right. Good call | ||
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Magic Powers
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Lets go Snow! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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BLinD-RawR
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DarkPlasmaBall
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prosatan
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1-1 | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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If you take in consideration that Nexus first vs Overpool is already a lot to overcome imagine using 2 larvas wasted into zerlings that die to canons doing nothing on early game. That said Snow took a shit ton of time to finish the game. | ||
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Kespa1988
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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DarkPlasmaBall
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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RowdierBob
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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konadora
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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RowdierBob
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DarkPlasmaBall
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konadora
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what clutch corsair micro, that fast spire into corsair snipe didn't work because of snow playing safe and building extra cannons, and that corsair micro damnnn | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Peeano
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gravity
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RowdierBob
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 20:16 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: The moment he decided to attack the natural canon and fighting corsairs over 3 canons in range.. He tried to kill the cannons to release lings? Otherwise, it was crazy | ||
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Kespa1988
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Cocorian
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 23 2025 20:16 Rainalcar wrote: He tried to kill the cannons to release lings? Otherwise, it was crazy That was the idea but how realistically it is to do it when there is zealots covering the wall ? there are 3 canons corsairs and zealots. Just a mad plan. That said Props to snow for doing nexus first on Dominator when is very often a map where zerg does 9p lol. But the mindgame worked well cuz he did on metropolis so Effort wasnt exactly expecting that. In fact i think effort was trying to hard counter 1 gate expansion with his build. | ||
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konadora
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M2
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On September 23 2025 20:18 RowdierBob wrote: Effort does not seem at all comfortable playing straight up to Snow today. He’s playing true BTS style to try get that early advantage. And Snow counters it with Nexus 1st xD | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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konadora
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On September 23 2025 20:22 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Btw next map is litmus i dont see Snow losing on this one either. Something very odd has to happen for him to no take the win here. yeah this map is great for protoss with easy 3rd gas to get both corsair and reaver/ht at the same time, while not compromising on upgrades should be a Snow win | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Magic Powers
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Or the lurkers ig | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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konadora
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konadora
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Magic Powers
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DarkPlasmaBall
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Magic Powers
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konadora
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Peeano
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 20:34 Magic Powers wrote: This is game over, no way Snow loses Ya never know XD | ||
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Magic Powers
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My ptsd t.t | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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ShloobeR
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On September 23 2025 20:39 RowdierBob wrote: Kinda wild how well snow handled the cheese and yet effort still in a pretty decent spot here. I mean donating that entire control group of zealots was horrific | ||
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Peeano
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iopq
United States1013 Posts
On September 23 2025 20:31 Magic Powers wrote: Ok this is very risky from Effort. Snow has a huge macro advantage, and if the hydras fail... Or the lurkers ig Effort is ahead after this | ||
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Magic Powers
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Not again... please | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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SkelA
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gravity
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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Magic Powers
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DarkPlasmaBall
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konadora
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i would want to see him advance but heck, seeing a protoss win in the fall would be great | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Kespa1988
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Magic Powers
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Uldridge
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 23 2025 20:42 SkelA wrote: I just don't get it why would you drop while you have contain at the same time. i was thinking the same. But i guess broodwar engine And making it difficult for units to go the main from the natural is something that can be abused. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Simplistik
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People critised Barracks. People love Effort. Humans eh? | ||
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RowdierBob
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Peeano
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Simplistik
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konadora
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On September 23 2025 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: i was thinking the same. But i guess broodwar engine And making it difficult for units to go the main from the natural is something that can be abused. if effort wanted to do that drop then he needed to drop with lurkers and choke the point between the main and nat, or needed to snipe the main nexus he did neither... | ||
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Simplistik
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Peeano
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TMNT
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On September 23 2025 20:44 Simplistik wrote: People critised BTS. People critised Barracks. People love Effort. Humans eh? Did people criticise Barracks? I guess the difference is Effort and Barracks only mix in the cheese while BTS mixes in the... (kind of) standard play | ||
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Kespa1988
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konadora
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On September 23 2025 20:48 TMNT wrote: Did people criticise Barracks? I guess the difference is Effort and Barracks only mix in the cheese while BTS mixes in the... (kind of) standard play unfortunately saw a bunch of ppl saying he only knows how to play aggro and cheese lol like, its a strategy game people | ||
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RowdierBob
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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LightSpectra
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Kespa1988
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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RowdierBob
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On September 23 2025 20:53 Kespa1988 wrote: What happend to EffOrt, seems so solid in first game, totally melted later. He caught snow off guard with the drop and was able to.. snowball the advantage into a win. Snow’s build was kinda ass too. | ||
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Magic Powers
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NOT AGAIN!!! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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iFU.pauline
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konadora
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sub-10min 4 base and hive ongoing | ||
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konadora
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 20:55 Magic Powers wrote: 4 base Snow??!!! NOT AGAIN!!! I like that decision, if Effort is just going to turtle for a little while. | ||
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konadora
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Magic Powers
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On September 23 2025 20:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I like that decision, if Effort is just going to turtle for a little while. You mistyped "doesn't scout the fourth" xD | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 20:56 RowdierBob wrote: I wish snow would make a cannon or 2 in his main. Effort is being kinda cheesy today. Agreed. The occasional lurkers behind the mineral lines, the hydra drops, the frequent loss of observers... | ||
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SkelA
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konadora
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 21:00 konadora wrote: snow going for his 6th base as a toss while effort is still on 4 lol Yeah this is insane lol. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 21:01 LightSpectra wrote: Effort is playing like Boxer and SnOw is playing like iloveoov Not so sure about the former, but I agree with the latter ^^ | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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konadora
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snow is outproducing effort when it comes to unit production wtf | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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konadora
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his main and nat should have dried up by now | ||
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konadora
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On September 23 2025 21:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: wtf snow is attacking without obersevers doesnt need it with this level of farm lol | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 23 2025 21:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: wtf snow is attacking without obersevers Yeah it's frustrating. | ||
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konadora
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konadora
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he can lose his entire army and still rebuild it all | ||
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konadora
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hydras just facetanking all the storms, losing defilers for nothing snow is on the legendary 3/3/3 upgrade LOL | ||
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Gorsameth
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this game should be over | ||
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konadora
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effort played terrible today, wtf happened snow played really well too, but effort was NOT himself today | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Good stuff. | ||
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konadora
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On September 23 2025 21:13 Souden wrote: Barracks is smiling on his stream. He knows the reaper is coming lol. yeah barracks is absolutely not surviving vs snow lol won't be surprised if its a 4-0 | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend EffOrt vs Snow Game 6? Yes (9) If you have time (5) No (4) 18 total votes Your vote: Recommend EffOrt vs Snow Game 6? | ||
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Rainalcar
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On September 23 2025 21:17 RowdierBob wrote: I like that Snow’s reaction to efforts build was to mass expand instead of going for a 2 or 3 base bust. Exactly. And he would have lost if he didn't go 5vs4 bases. Shows the immense power of late game zerg. | ||
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Uldridge
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Too bad Effort couldn't push it a little harder. Epic composure by Snow. Seems like a winner to me! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Snow: Eeffort is a strong opponent, and although I tried to put up a tough image, inside i was a bit afraid, so I'm glad I won. A: I had to win the 1st game but I lost, so I knew I had to pay extra attention to the 2nd game. I knew he would use Zerglings, so I was a bit more proactive with my zealots. A: Usually when I panic, I fail to defend when I should, and end up losing games I should. So I just recomposed myself. Q: On the game on Litmus, Effort tried to do a backdoor strat. How did you feel about it? A: I knew I just had to defend it and I would be in a good position, but as I was playing the game, I realised I was terrible with my building placements, and that made the game tougher for me. Effort is a strong opponent and he punished me well. A: Usually I always get reverse-swept or lose when I'm ahead. I hardly win a map 7 in a Bo7, if you notice. So this time, I really tried to focus and play to my very best. A: Except when I'm playing against Action, I usually lose most of my Zerg games. So I'm glad i can put another w in my record. Q: Barracks advanced to rRo4 first. Your thoughts? A: He plays really well, actually. In fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. So he'll be a formidable foe. Q: Any words? A: I received a lot of help today, so I prepared in advance. Thanks to Soma, Queen, (i missed someone here), Hero, Soulkey, Larva, and everyone else. It's been about 5 years since I last advanced to the finals, so I definitely want to head to the finals. Also, to my wife.. Thank you. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5192 Posts
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:21 konadora wrote: q: congrats on ur 4th consecutive Ro4 appearance. how do you feel? snow: effort is a strong opponent, and although i tried to put up a tough image, inside i was a bit afraid, so im glad i won a: i had to win the 1st game but i lost, so i knew i had to pay extra attention to the 2nd game. i knew he would use zerglings, so i was a bit more proactive with my zealots. a: usually when i panic, i fail to defend when i should, and end up losing games i should. so i just recomposed myself. q: on the game on litmus, effort tried to do a backdoor strat. how did u feel about it? a: i knew i just had to defend it and i would be in a good position, but as i was playing the game, i realised i was terrible with my building placements, and that made the game tougher for me. effort is a strong opponent and he punished me well. a: usually i always get reverse-swept or lose when im ahead. i hardly win a map 7 in a bo7, if you notice. so this time, i really tried to focus and play to my very best. a: except when i'm playing against Action, i usually lose most of my zerg games. so i'm glad i can put another W in my record. q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts? a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe. q: any words to your fans? a: i received a lot of help today, so i prepared in advance. thanks to Soma, Queen, (i missed someone here), Hero, SK, Larva, and everyone else. it's been about 5 years since i advanced to the finals, so i definitely want to head to the finals. also, to my wife.. thank you. Thank you!! LOL, Action :D | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts? a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe. Ah, I see what Snow did here. Tricking Barracks into thinking he can beat him, while playing at 50% power in practice and saving his builds for the semifinal. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1895 Posts
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:13 konadora wrote: GG effort played terrible today, wtf happened snow played really well too, but effort was NOT himself today Tbf he lost 0 - 4 to Mini in his last ASL outing. It's hard to gauge his level vs the major proleague players because he keeps parking in k league. Obviously he's major proleague worthy but maybe at the lower end of it (like JD most of the times). Snow has always been top end and Mini was when they played. In a Bo7 Effort has better chance but if they play 100 games for sure Snow will take 60-65 games for example. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:35 TMNT wrote: Tbf he lost 0 - 4 to Mini in his last ASL outing. It's hard to gauge his level vs the major proleague players because he keeps parking in k league. Obviously he's major proleague worthy but maybe at the lower end of it (like JD most of the times). Snow has always been top end and Mini was when they played. In a Bo7 Effort has better chance but if they play 100 games for sure Snow will take 60-65 games for example. damn, i haven't watched him as much in k league or pro league, but his performance in race battle was absolutely top tier. his play and form today was honestly quite shocking | ||
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote: bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote: Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well. He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages... | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:58 Rainalcar wrote: He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages... Looks like Snow used up all the 12 Nexus luck for Protoss today (at the expense of Mini lol). There may be a correlation between 12 Nexus and Protoss winning a BoX actually. Even in Rain's 4-2 victory against Soma a couple of years ago, he got away with 12 Nexus once. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On September 23 2025 22:50 RogueTheGOAT wrote: I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free. i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was. | ||
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Rainalcar
Croatia422 Posts
On September 23 2025 22:05 TMNT wrote: Looks like Snow used up all the 12 Nexus luck for Protoss today (at the expense of Mini lol). There may be a correlation between 12 Nexus and Protoss winning a BoX actually. Even in Rain's 4-2 victory against Soma a couple of years ago, he got away with 12 Nexus once. You can't use up that luck, the next pvz is probabilisticaly an independent event | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4973 Posts
On September 23 2025 23:40 konadora wrote: i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was. It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be. You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about orofessional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1043 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:58 Rainalcar wrote: He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages... SnOw is favorite vs all but SoMa, based on statistics. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 23 2025 23:56 Uldridge wrote: It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be. You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about professional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt. Tennis already has different surfaces which play wildly differently in professional play. | ||
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gryek
8 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote: Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well. how did you conclude that it's "quite unlikely" for someone who just made the round of 4, widely considered as one of the top 2 favorites, to win the tournament? like i'm actually confused, is this just emotional hedging or what | ||
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gryek
8 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:26 TMNT wrote: Ah, I see what Snow did here. Tricking Barracks into thinking he can beat him, while playing at 50% power in practice and saving his builds for the semifinal. i was really surprised he said this, is snow not an unbeatable PvT god anymore? or is barracks just the unique snow killer to have a winning record against him? i feel like i would've heard about the latter. i know barracks edged out their SCSL series but i thought that was an aberration. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4973 Posts
On September 24 2025 02:37 RogueTheGOAT wrote: Tennis already has different surfaces which play wildly differently in professional play. I haven't seen the equivalent of an island map yet, my good friend. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 24 2025 03:14 gryek wrote: how did you conclude that it's "quite unlikely" for someone who just made the round of 4, widely considered as one of the top 2 favorites, to win the tournament? like i'm actually confused, is this just emotional hedging or what Soma is Snow's arch nemesis, he's got his number. If Soma enters the finals, that's gonna be a hell of an uphill battle for Snow. I think only Bisu can realistically stop Soma, because Best most likely can't do it and Larva is quite out of shape. So if Bisu advances he'll likely face Soma, which strongly favors Soma especially in a bo7. In the less likely event that Bisu enters the finals, Snow will be a significant favorite. I'm one of the biggest fans of Snow, but I can call a spade a spade. It mostly hinges on Soma. Snow right now is praying for him to get knocked out. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 24 2025 03:17 gryek wrote: i was really surprised he said this, is snow not an unbeatable PvT god anymore? or is barracks just the unique snow killer to have a winning record against him? i feel like i would've heard about the latter. i know barracks edged out their SCSL series but i thought that was an aberration. Snow probably just wants to create hype. It's a good trick for viewership xd | ||
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Ideas
United States8145 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10241 Posts
On September 23 2025 23:56 Uldridge wrote: It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be. You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about orofessional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt. Maps are still being evolved, like the eggs blocking the natural-main ramps, and now mineral patches. Now Knock Out may be introducing a new feature that could gain traction. The game will continue to evolve, and map makers and players will continue to figure out how to best make changes to the game to keep it fresh, exciting, and adaptable. I do hope Roaring Currents and maps like it will get more play too, they add a lot of nuance and creativity that I think has sort of bogged down standard play recently. | ||
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Miragee
8602 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 24 2025 07:00 Miragee wrote: liquidbet in tatters but I'm happy. Snow played kinda bad in g1 and almost threw the game on Lithmus but overall he played excellent. What I need to know is how are seeker's liquibets? | ||
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Simplistik
2094 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
snOw looked good... besides his observer issues. My expectations is that he anhilates Barracks. So I am eager to see how much cheese and timings Rax brings to the series and how dicey that gets. snOw PvT should be killer though. Would be very scared for SnOw vs Soma. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 24 2025 03:20 Uldridge wrote: I haven't seen the equivalent of an island map yet, my good friend. The Australian Open? Wimbledon? | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
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angry_maia
327 Posts
Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too. Fact 2. Snow himself said that Barracks was beating him in practice. Fact 3. Barracks has beaten Soulkey and Mini, (prior ASL champions) in this tournament. He's on FIRE. I'm so confident, that I will delete my account if Snow somehow wins. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 24 2025 22:36 angry_maia wrote: Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too. Please never go to a casino or start gambling. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On September 24 2025 22:36 angry_maia wrote: I'm highly confident Barracks is going to beat Snow. Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too. Fact 2. Snow himself said that Barracks was beating him in practice. Fact 3. Barracks has beaten Soulkey and Mini, (prior ASL champions) in this tournament. He's on FIRE. I'm so confident, that I will delete my account if Snow somehow wins. Today, snow said he is not confident at all in PvT after getting slapped by JyJ. Snow doesn't seem to have that impeccable vibe we are used to before flash came back. He's been struggling lately and with flash supporting barracks directly it could be a pretty fun match up | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 25 2025 08:46 Shinokuki wrote: Today, snow said he is not confident at all in PvT after getting slapped by JyJ. Snow doesn't seem to have that impeccable vibe we are used to before flash came back. He's been struggling lately and with flash supporting barracks directly it could be a pretty fun match up He's been practicing nothing but PvZ for his series against Effort and he has until October 13th to prepare for Barracks. If he's showing poor PvT form next week or says the same later, then maybe I'll put stock into it. | ||
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Lazyer
United States365 Posts
On September 25 2025 08:46 Shinokuki wrote: Today, snow said he is not confident at all in PvT after getting slapped by JyJ. Snow doesn't seem to have that impeccable vibe we are used to before flash came back. He's been struggling lately and with flash supporting barracks directly it could be a pretty fun match up yo dont give me copium 😭 i want rax to win | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
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iopq
United States1013 Posts
On September 24 2025 09:03 Simplistik wrote: There's a possibility that Soma ends up playing 3 ZvP's in a row. That probably wouldn't be good for him, as it's hard to have enough prepares trickery for that. I don't see how that's not better than ZvZ or ZvT, it's actually his best matchup | ||
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 25 2025 12:36 Sabu113 wrote: SnOw’s reavers are enough. Barracks will have some nasty flash timing builds but SnOw has the micro the edge them. + Show Spoiler [KCM semifinals today] + Snow has killed all 4 Terrans. Game 4 vs Sharp is absurd. Sometimes he looks like a Reaver sadist lol. It's 20 minutes into the game, he had taken 9 bases, built a bunch of HTs but didn't use them. Instead he took like 2 control groups of Dragoons and Zealots, and 2 Reavers and played UMS micro full time, getting 30+ kills out of them. Sharp typed gg without ever losing a base because Snow took the entire map and just played with him like that all along | ||
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goody153
44235 Posts
Think only Soma probably has a chance of beating him assuming Soma advances. Barracks can probably give a scare with dangerous aggressive builds but i'd still put Snow over him. And the other protoss ? Zero chance lol Surprised to nexus firsts vs zerg. Usually that's against a terran thing Honestly watching him stormgrind effort at the final game is like the very principle of his advise to protoss players to just keep calm and storm them till they bleed out On September 25 2025 19:02 Phyanketto wrote: snow really boxed effort in in the last game. There was no chance for a muta switch ever. Are ultras ever a thing in zvp? I dont think so. Think people just spam defiler plague/swarm and cracklings and win with that. Snow just had a giant economic advantage over Effort that game since Effort decided to turtle so he decided to mass expand basically countered his shit from the get-go. An even based or lesser based protoss would have a harder time | ||
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Miragee
8602 Posts
On September 25 2025 22:21 goody153 wrote: Surprised to nexus firsts vs zerg. Usually that's against a terran thing I think it makes sense it became a bit more popular when zergs started to also 12 hatch in ZvP more often. Back in the late years of Kespa, 12 hatch really wasn't a common opener in that match up at all. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1658 Posts
On September 25 2025 22:21 goody153 wrote: No way Snow is not winning this ASL lol Think only Soma probably has a chance of beating him assuming Soma advances. Barracks can probably give a scare with dangerous aggressive builds but i'd still put Snow over him. And the other protoss ? Zero chance lol Surprised to nexus firsts vs zerg. Usually that's against a terran thing Honestly watching him stormgrind effort at the final game is like the very principle of his advise to protoss players to just keep calm and storm them till they bleed out I dont think so. Think people just spam defiler plague/swarm and cracklings and win with that. Snow just had a giant economic advantage over Effort that game since Effort decided to turtle so he decided to mass expand basically countered his shit from the get-go. An even based or lesser based protoss would have a harder time Normally it's not possible for protoss to expand that much even if zerg goes for far third turtling mode. The reason it worked was because effOrt really went for the impossible by opening pool9 and then faking hydra push and going for lurker. It takes too much time and there was no way for him to catch up. SnOw did the right thing, but for sure, you can't do that with a classic far third since. Zerg is supposed to be able to prevent these expands with zergling quite easily. He is also supposed to have +1 carap air and switching muta in case of low corsaire count. Usually, for protoss, taking third and going reavers for anticipating end game with map ctrl is the most common counter. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway751 Posts
If there’s gonna be a new Flash, soma is it imo. | ||
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goody153
44235 Posts
On September 26 2025 13:26 MountainDewJunkie wrote: That was a beatdown. With Soulkey gone, who can stop Snow? Only Soma This is kinda Snow's tournament to lose now and honestly it's been a long time in the making | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 26 2025 13:49 Timebon3s wrote: Soma looks incredibly good. I wouldn’t think he could get so good so fast, but he’s really something else entirely imo. If there’s gonna be a new Flash, soma is it imo. I think the new Flash is gonna be Flash. He seems to be in the process of escaping the, uhm... "mediocrity" of being "just" a top five player xd | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 26 2025 13:49 Timebon3s wrote: Soma looks incredibly good. I wouldn’t think he could get so good so fast, but he’s really something else entirely imo. If there’s gonna be a new Flash, soma is it imo. Soma got to stay home for the majority of his time during his military service, which means he could play, just not stream. Was seen frequently on the ladder and even in some offstream games vs other pros. Was instantly "back" to his level when he started streaming again. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On September 26 2025 16:20 Magic Powers wrote: I think the new Flash is gonna be Flash. He seems to be in the process of escaping the, uhm... "mediocrity" of being "just" a top five player xd Flash is #1 player still. People put major proleague on a completely different stratosphere in terms of who is actually the best. The consistently best performers in major proleagues are as follows 1) Flash (by far) 2) Soma 3) Light 4) Rush 5) Bisu Snow has been actually struggling atm | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 26 2025 23:03 Shinokuki wrote: Flash is #1 player still. People put major proleague on a completely different stratosphere in terms of who is actually the best. The consistently best performers in major proleagues are as follows 1) Flash (by far) 2) Soma 3) Light 4) Rush 5) Bisu Snow has been actually struggling atm Snow is indeed struggling, yeah. It's sad to see as a fan, but he's had lows before and recovered every time. I'm not worried for him x) Flash has been doing great this month, crushing everyone and everything in vicinity. Very good time to be Flash right now. | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
For a while Zerg fans were claiming Zerg was bad and it was just Soulkey, but that's only because Soma was serving military service. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 27 2025 05:38 TMNT wrote: Soma in September in Proleague is at 66% overall and 90% ZvP lol. He might actually be better now than Soulkey was when he won the last ASL. For a while Zerg fans were claiming Zerg was bad and it was just Soulkey, but that's only because Soma was serving military service. I can't speak to Proleague results, but from ASL's: 16 - 4 Zerg in the round of 8, 2 Zerg in the round of 4. 17 - 2 Zerg in the finals. 18 - 2 Zerg in the round of 8. 19 - 3 Zerg in the round of 8 including Queen who took finalist Best to 7 games. 20 - 3 Zerg in the round of 8. Outside of Season 18, you cannot reasonably claim that Zerg under performed. | ||
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felleN
Australia67 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3079 Posts
More like, who will stop Mini next season now that he's in 4:3 and plays Mario Kart all day. He's gonna have sloppy joe face after eating everyone's guts, and start burping fireballs after 3-0s and 4-0s over Flash and Soulkey, maybe but probably not dropping 1-2 maps to soma on his vertical path. Honestly, who cares about this season anymore. It's soma 4-2 over snow in the finals. I'm more interested in the seeded Barracks thinking he's amazing, but is actually like a british soldier from Braveheart, overdressed, shitting his pants, his dumb nose bridge helmet all crooked and fucked up as the broad sword comes in. Just butttclapped by Yabsab or some shit, or roundhouse kicked by TEOLBO. Just zapped the fuck out. Fizzle-fucked. Barracks goes home crying and his overly-energetic fanbase flows home on a river of fucking tears. This domestic cheese is out of stock. I got my L'Amour tickets and my bon-bon money rdy to witness it first hand. A polaroid selfie pretending to be his biggest fan and then just ball it up right in front of him, right before getting unpeacefully escorted from the studio, not using my feet at all so the squeaks are extra loud. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 27 2025 18:58 RogerChillingworth wrote: I agree, Snow sucks. More like, who will stop Mini next season now that he's in 4:3 and plays Mario Kart all day. He's gonna have sloppy joe face after eating everyone's guts, and start burping fireballs after 3-0s and 4-0s over Flash and Soulkey, maybe but probably not dropping 1-2 maps to soma on his vertical path. Honestly, who cares about this season anymore. It's soma 4-2 over snow in the finals. I'm more interested in the seeded Barracks thinking he's amazing, but is actually like a british soldier from Braveheart, overdressed, shitting his pants, his dumb nose bridge helmet all crooked and fucked up as the broad sword comes in. Just butttclapped by Yabsab or some shit, or roundhouse kicked by TEOLBO. Just zapped the fuck out. Fizzle-fucked. Barracks goes home crying and his overly-energetic fanbase flows home on a river of fucking tears. This domestic cheese is out of stock. I got my L'Amour tickets and my bon-bon money rdy to witness it first hand. A polaroid selfie pretending to be his biggest fan and then just ball it up right in front of him, right before getting unpeacefully escorted from the studio, not using my feet at all so the squeaks are extra loud. Drugs are bad. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1043 Posts
When educating them kids at school about why drugs are bad, show them this post. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On September 27 2025 09:02 RogueTheGOAT wrote: I can't speak to Proleague results, but from ASL's: 16 - 4 Zerg in the round of 8, 2 Zerg in the round of 4. 17 - 2 Zerg in the finals. 18 - 2 Zerg in the round of 8. 19 - 3 Zerg in the round of 8 including Queen who took finalist Best to 7 games. 20 - 3 Zerg in the round of 8. Outside of Season 18, you cannot reasonably claim that Zerg under performed. Honestly ASL is important but pros don't really seem to emphasize its importance that much when most of their earnings come from proleague. We shouldn't look at asl results to see who is the best. It's more about bo5 matches (10%), bo9 matches (15%), Proleague (40%), ASL (20%), and KCM league (15%) most likely. Flash said basically this: "Proleague is by far the most important indicator who is the best nowadays" | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On September 28 2025 04:10 Shinokuki wrote: Honestly ASL is important but pros don't really seem to emphasize its importance that much when most of their earnings come from proleague. We shouldn't look at asl results to see who is the best. It's more about bo5 matches (10%), bo9 matches (15%), Proleague (40%), ASL (20%), and KCM league (15%) most likely. Flash said basically this: "Proleague is by far the most important indicator who is the best nowadays" Why isn't he up to current meta then? The question remains if proleague games are playing meta games or off meta games. I say they are off meta. No one plays nonstarter builds based on looking at the opponent's last played game. That is just not how professional gameplay is conducted. We saw Hero do these one off plays vs JyJ, while it may seem it proves successful in the immediate term, look where he is now. I say all proleague players who go off meta start to lose their preparation. I made a more in depth explanation before that I won't repeat, proleague is just brain rot. | ||
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RogueTheGOAT
166 Posts
On September 28 2025 04:10 Shinokuki wrote: Honestly ASL is important but pros don't really seem to emphasize its importance that much when most of their earnings come from proleague. We shouldn't look at asl results to see who is the best. It's more about bo5 matches (10%), bo9 matches (15%), Proleague (40%), ASL (20%), and KCM league (15%) most likely. Flash said basically this: "Proleague is by far the most important indicator who is the best nowadays" I understand the importance of pro league to players, but I doubt fans who were whining about balance were basing it off a deep dive of pro league stats. Flash's comments are also dubious. Success in a preparation tournament is a significantly better indicator of player quality for a real time STRATEGY game than one off games with no preparation. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1704 Posts
On September 26 2025 23:03 Shinokuki wrote: Flash is #1 player still. People put major proleague on a completely different stratosphere in terms of who is actually the best. The consistently best performers in major proleagues are as follows 1) Flash (by far) 2) Soma 3) Light 4) Rush 5) Bisu Snow has been actually struggling atm Nah Rain has performed better than 2,3,4, and 5 | ||
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Villainiquity
2 Posts
On September 23 2025 21:00 konadora wrote: snow going for his 6th base as a toss while effort is still on 4 lol Xun/Saiyan saying Snow fake-threaten attacking sim cities but expanded instead. I think it made effort turtle harder - but it's not like he can muster enough to snipe an expo anyways. | ||
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prion_
79 Posts
On September 28 2025 04:10 Shinokuki wrote: Honestly ASL is important but pros don't really seem to emphasize its importance that much when most of their earnings come from proleague. We shouldn't look at asl results to see who is the best. It's more about bo5 matches (10%), bo9 matches (15%), Proleague (40%), ASL (20%), and KCM league (15%) most likely. Flash said basically this: "Proleague is by far the most important indicator who is the best nowadays" Flash said this because he's performing well in Proleauge but has been skipping ASL. In the Kespa era proleague was a big deal with tons of preparation and pressure but these days it's a pickup match between guys playing in their pajamas at home. | ||
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