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On September 23 2025 23:40 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 22:50 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free. i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was.
It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be.
You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about orofessional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt.
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On September 23 2025 21:58 Rainalcar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well. He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages...
SnOw is favorite vs all but SoMa, based on statistics.
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On September 23 2025 23:56 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 23:40 konadora wrote:On September 23 2025 22:50 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free. i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was. It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be. You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about professional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt.
Tennis already has different surfaces which play wildly differently in professional play.
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On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well.
how did you conclude that it's "quite unlikely" for someone who just made the round of 4, widely considered as one of the top 2 favorites, to win the tournament? like i'm actually confused, is this just emotional hedging or what
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On September 23 2025 21:26 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote + q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts?
a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe. Ah, I see what Snow did here. Tricking Barracks into thinking he can beat him, while playing at 50% power in practice and saving his builds for the semifinal.
i was really surprised he said this, is snow not an unbeatable PvT god anymore? or is barracks just the unique snow killer to have a winning record against him? i feel like i would've heard about the latter. i know barracks edged out their SCSL series but i thought that was an aberration.
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On September 24 2025 02:37 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
Tennis already has different surfaces which play wildly differently in professional play.
I haven't seen the equivalent of an island map yet, my good friend.
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On September 24 2025 03:14 gryek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well. how did you conclude that it's "quite unlikely" for someone who just made the round of 4, widely considered as one of the top 2 favorites, to win the tournament? like i'm actually confused, is this just emotional hedging or what
Soma is Snow's arch nemesis, he's got his number. If Soma enters the finals, that's gonna be a hell of an uphill battle for Snow. I think only Bisu can realistically stop Soma, because Best most likely can't do it and Larva is quite out of shape. So if Bisu advances he'll likely face Soma, which strongly favors Soma especially in a bo7.
In the less likely event that Bisu enters the finals, Snow will be a significant favorite.
I'm one of the biggest fans of Snow, but I can call a spade a spade. It mostly hinges on Soma. Snow right now is praying for him to get knocked out.
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On September 24 2025 03:17 gryek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 21:26 TMNT wrote: q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts?
a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe. Ah, I see what Snow did here. Tricking Barracks into thinking he can beat him, while playing at 50% power in practice and saving his builds for the semifinal. i was really surprised he said this, is snow not an unbeatable PvT god anymore? or is barracks just the unique snow killer to have a winning record against him? i feel like i would've heard about the latter. i know barracks edged out their SCSL series but i thought that was an aberration.
Snow probably just wants to create hype. It's a good trick for viewership xd
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I mean barracks DID beat snow in the SCSL last year. But that was a low-stakes online event, not nearly the same. It shows he's at least capable of taking off a few games from snow though.
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On September 23 2025 23:56 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2025 23:40 konadora wrote:On September 23 2025 22:50 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free. i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was. It shows how creative someone can be to solve for the problem presented. I think it's better for the game and scene overall to be honest, no matter how clunky certain executions might be. You could also argue that tennis should start using weird courts so that the matches might become "even more interesting", I guess or you can complain about orofessional integrity and how that's just insulting to professionals to introduce it, but I think people shouldn't be stuck up. The best will find a way to adapt.
Maps are still being evolved, like the eggs blocking the natural-main ramps, and now mineral patches. Now Knock Out may be introducing a new feature that could gain traction. The game will continue to evolve, and map makers and players will continue to figure out how to best make changes to the game to keep it fresh, exciting, and adaptable. I do hope Roaring Currents and maps like it will get more play too, they add a lot of nuance and creativity that I think has sort of bogged down standard play recently.
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liquidbet in tatters but I'm happy. Snow played kinda bad in g1 and almost threw the game on Lithmus but overall he played excellent.
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On September 24 2025 07:00 Miragee wrote:
liquidbet in tatters but I'm happy. Snow played kinda bad in g1 and almost threw the game on Lithmus but overall he played excellent.
What I need to know is how are seeker's liquibets?
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There's a possibility that Soma ends up playing 3 ZvP's in a row. That probably wouldn't be good for him, as it's hard to have enough prepares trickery for that.
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Effort looked a bit off but that was baked in coming into the match. This isn't the effort of old yet. That effort was frankly the only guy to look like he could take Flash on any given day. Let's see where he is in a season. Could be very scary.
snOw looked good... besides his observer issues. My expectations is that he anhilates Barracks. So I am eager to see how much cheese and timings Rax brings to the series and how dicey that gets. snOw PvT should be killer though.
Would be very scared for SnOw vs Soma.
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On September 24 2025 03:20 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2025 02:37 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
Tennis already has different surfaces which play wildly differently in professional play. I haven't seen the equivalent of an island map yet, my good friend.
The Australian Open? Wimbledon?
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Roaring Currents completely throws off the balance of the games. The rest of the games are nigh insufferable, yet Roaring Currents is the only thing going for me. They should really set roaring currents to be the decider match. Otherwise the climax is lack lustre.
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I'm highly confident Barracks is going to beat Snow.
Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too.
Fact 2. Snow himself said that Barracks was beating him in practice.
Fact 3. Barracks has beaten Soulkey and Mini, (prior ASL champions) in this tournament. He's on FIRE.
I'm so confident, that I will delete my account if Snow somehow wins.
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On September 24 2025 22:36 angry_maia wrote:
Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too.
Please never go to a casino or start gambling.
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On September 24 2025 22:36 angry_maia wrote:
I'm highly confident Barracks is going to beat Snow.
Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too.
Fact 2. Snow himself said that Barracks was beating him in practice.
Fact 3. Barracks has beaten Soulkey and Mini, (prior ASL champions) in this tournament. He's on FIRE.
I'm so confident, that I will delete my account if Snow somehow wins.
Today, snow said he is not confident at all in PvT after getting slapped by JyJ. Snow doesn't seem to have that impeccable vibe we are used to before flash came back. He's been struggling lately and with flash supporting barracks directly it could be a pretty fun match up
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On September 25 2025 08:46 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2025 22:36 angry_maia wrote:
I'm highly confident Barracks is going to beat Snow.
Fact 1. Snow has gotten eliminated in the ro4 **3** times in a row. If a coin goes heads 3 times in a row, chances are it will go a 4th time too.
Fact 2. Snow himself said that Barracks was beating him in practice.
Fact 3. Barracks has beaten Soulkey and Mini, (prior ASL champions) in this tournament. He's on FIRE.
I'm so confident, that I will delete my account if Snow somehow wins. Today, snow said he is not confident at all in PvT after getting slapped by JyJ. Snow doesn't seem to have that impeccable vibe we are used to before flash came back. He's been struggling lately and with flash supporting barracks directly it could be a pretty fun match up
He's been practicing nothing but PvZ for his series against Effort and he has until October 13th to prepare for Barracks. If he's showing poor PvT form next week or says the same later, then maybe I'll put stock into it.
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