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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1730 Posts
September 23 2025 12:15 GMT
#261
EffOrt was off timing pretty much at each turn. Disappointing performance. I expect him to grind really hard in the coming months, there is no way he will be satisfied with that.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
September 23 2025 12:17 GMT
#262
I like that Snow’s reaction to efforts build was to mass expand instead of going for a 2 or 3 base bust.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia484 Posts
September 23 2025 12:20 GMT
#263
On September 23 2025 21:17 RowdierBob wrote:
I like that Snow’s reaction to efforts build was to mass expand instead of going for a 2 or 3 base bust.


Exactly. And he would have lost if he didn't go 5vs4 bases. Shows the immense power of late game zerg.
j.r.r.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5194 Posts
September 23 2025 12:21 GMT
#264
Called it, too bad I misspelled Snow, lol.

Too bad Effort couldn't push it a little harder. Epic composure by Snow. Seems like a winner to me!
Taxes are for Terrans
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-23 12:33:40
September 23 2025 12:21 GMT
#265
Q: Congrats on your 4th consecutive Ro4 appearance. How do you feel?
Snow: Eeffort is a strong opponent, and although I tried to put up a tough image, inside i was a bit afraid, so I'm glad I won.

A: I had to win the 1st game but I lost, so I knew I had to pay extra attention to the 2nd game. I knew he would use Zerglings, so I was a bit more proactive with my zealots.

A: Usually when I panic, I fail to defend when I should, and end up losing games I should. So I just recomposed myself.

Q: On the game on Litmus, Effort tried to do a backdoor strat. How did you feel about it?
A: I knew I just had to defend it and I would be in a good position, but as I was playing the game, I realised I was terrible with my building placements, and that made the game tougher for me. Effort is a strong opponent and he punished me well.

A: Usually I always get reverse-swept or lose when I'm ahead. I hardly win a map 7 in a Bo7, if you notice. So this time, I really tried to focus and play to my very best.

A: Except when I'm playing against Action, I usually lose most of my Zerg games. So I'm glad i can put another w in my record.

Q: Barracks advanced to rRo4 first. Your thoughts?
A: He plays really well, actually. In fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. So he'll be a formidable foe.

Q: Any words?
A: I received a lot of help today, so I prepared in advance. Thanks to Soma, Queen, (i missed someone here), Hero, Soulkey, Larva, and everyone else. It's been about 5 years since I last advanced to the finals, so I definitely want to head to the finals. Also, to my wife.. Thank you.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5685 Posts
September 23 2025 12:21 GMT
#266
Very nice PvZ series. Beautiful by Snow. Effort needed just a bit more to reach the breaking point. Reminds me of Bisu vs Effort in the KeSPA-era.
FBH #1!
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia484 Posts
September 23 2025 12:24 GMT
#267
On September 23 2025 21:21 konadora wrote:
q: congrats on ur 4th consecutive Ro4 appearance. how do you feel?
snow: effort is a strong opponent, and although i tried to put up a tough image, inside i was a bit afraid, so im glad i won

a: i had to win the 1st game but i lost, so i knew i had to pay extra attention to the 2nd game. i knew he would use zerglings, so i was a bit more proactive with my zealots.

a: usually when i panic, i fail to defend when i should, and end up losing games i should. so i just recomposed myself.

q: on the game on litmus, effort tried to do a backdoor strat. how did u feel about it?
a: i knew i just had to defend it and i would be in a good position, but as i was playing the game, i realised i was terrible with my building placements, and that made the game tougher for me. effort is a strong opponent and he punished me well.

a: usually i always get reverse-swept or lose when im ahead. i hardly win a map 7 in a bo7, if you notice. so this time, i really tried to focus and play to my very best.

a: except when i'm playing against Action, i usually lose most of my zerg games. so i'm glad i can put another W in my record.

q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts?
a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe.

q: any words to your fans?
a: i received a lot of help today, so i prepared in advance. thanks to Soma, Queen, (i missed someone here), Hero, SK, Larva, and everyone else. it's been about 5 years since i advanced to the finals, so i definitely want to head to the finals.

also, to my wife.. thank you.


Thank you!!

LOL, Action :D
j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
September 23 2025 12:26 GMT
#268
q: Barracks advanced to Ro4 first. your thoughts?
a: he plays really well, actually. in fact, in our practice, he wins more of our games. so he'll be a formidable foe.

Ah, I see what Snow did here. Tricking Barracks into thinking he can beat him, while playing at 50% power in practice and saving his builds for the semifinal.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2890 Posts
September 23 2025 12:30 GMT
#269
The Action shade 😭
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
September 23 2025 12:35 GMT
#270
On September 23 2025 21:13 konadora wrote:
GG

effort played terrible today, wtf happened

snow played really well too, but effort was NOT himself today

Tbf he lost 0 - 4 to Mini in his last ASL outing. It's hard to gauge his level vs the major proleague players because he keeps parking in k league. Obviously he's major proleague worthy but maybe at the lower end of it (like JD most of the times). Snow has always been top end and Mini was when they played.

In a Bo7 Effort has better chance but if they play 100 games for sure Snow will take 60-65 games for example.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
September 23 2025 12:36 GMT
#271
On September 23 2025 21:35 TMNT wrote:
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On September 23 2025 21:13 konadora wrote:
GG

effort played terrible today, wtf happened

snow played really well too, but effort was NOT himself today

Tbf he lost 0 - 4 to Mini in his last ASL outing. It's hard to gauge his level vs the major proleague players because he keeps parking in k league. Obviously he's major proleague worthy but maybe at the lower end of it (like JD most of the times). Snow has always been top end and Mini was when they played.

In a Bo7 Effort has better chance but if they play 100 games for sure Snow will take 60-65 games for example.

damn, i haven't watched him as much in k league or pro league, but his performance in race battle was absolutely top tier. his play and form today was honestly quite shocking
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Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
September 23 2025 12:38 GMT
#272
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
September 23 2025 12:44 GMT
#273
On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened


Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd

I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia484 Posts
September 23 2025 12:58 GMT
#274
On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened


Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd

I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well.


He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages...
j.r.r.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3247 Posts
September 23 2025 13:05 GMT
#275
On September 23 2025 21:58 Rainalcar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:
On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened


Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd

I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well.


He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages...

Looks like Snow used up all the 12 Nexus luck for Protoss today (at the expense of Mini lol).

There may be a correlation between 12 Nexus and Protoss winning a BoX actually. Even in Rain's 4-2 victory against Soma a couple of years ago, he got away with 12 Nexus once.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
September 23 2025 13:14 GMT
#276
This is Soma’s tourney to lose from here imo. The bracket is breaking very kindly for him.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RogueTheGOAT
Profile Joined July 2025
166 Posts
September 23 2025 13:50 GMT
#277
I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
September 23 2025 14:10 GMT
#278
effort got utterly ass reamed. snow's pvz kinda boring tho.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
September 23 2025 14:40 GMT
#279
On September 23 2025 22:50 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
I know the pros hate it because it is different, but from what I've seen in daily pro leagues and now in the round of 8 is that Roaring Currents is a good map that should stick around for at least another season. Normally non-standard maps quickly demonstrate themselves to be extremely imbalanced (generally in Zerg's favor), but for Roaring Currents there are arguments for each race. e.g. It SHOULD be a good map for Carriers against Zerg, but Zerg also gets 4 bases with gases for basically free.

i love having concept maps and i really wish it will stay for the next season. it's getting more playtime as pros figure the map out and how to work it to their strengths, and at least it's not the monstrosity that is Death Valley, as interesting as the concept was.
POGGERS
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia484 Posts
September 23 2025 14:40 GMT
#280
On September 23 2025 22:05 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2025 21:58 Rainalcar wrote:
On September 23 2025 21:44 Magic Powers wrote:
On September 23 2025 21:38 Lazyer wrote:
bruh I leave for din and come back and effort never picked up another game??? wtf happened


Snow proving his haters wrong happened xd

I don't think he'll win the tournament, seems quite unlikely. But he's doing well.


He's favourite in the semis. "Quite unlikely" doesn't really apply. If it will be pvp, he has at least 50% chance, even against Bisu whose godly almost-Rain-like pvp dropped a lot. vs Larva and Soma he is not a favourite, but with a few build order advantages...

Looks like Snow used up all the 12 Nexus luck for Protoss today (at the expense of Mini lol).

There may be a correlation between 12 Nexus and Protoss winning a BoX actually. Even in Rain's 4-2 victory against Soma a couple of years ago, he got away with 12 Nexus once.


You can't use up that luck, the next pvz is probabilisticaly an independent event
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