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Bisu > Queen Bisu > Best Queen > BTS Queen > Best | ||
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Feeling Bisu and Queen (sorry Best). Good bye LB. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Best > True Queen > Bisu Queen > Best Bisu > True Bisu > Best. That said, good chance it’ll be bucket night too. Always a big occasion on the ASL calendar. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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with how this tournament is going I could see 2 copies of BTS advancing insane dubstep drop, zoom in, zoom out. Wubwubwubwubwubuwub GooglePlay jumps off the roof | ||
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Bisu < Queen BTS < Queen Best > Bisu Best < BTS | ||
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On September 09 2025 18:55 SCRVN wrote: Best < BTS Bisu < Queen BTS < Queen Best > Bisu Best < BTS This would be a grim outcome. For good racial balance in the ro8 I’m hoping at least one of the protosses make it. Queen is strong ZvP so I’m pretty confident he’ll make it tonight. Likely one of Best/Bisu does too but BTS getting through would not be a shock either, especially if he wins game 1. | ||
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gravity
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On September 09 2025 19:25 gravity wrote: RIP Or not yet, but seems too little too late? | ||
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gravity
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On September 09 2025 19:31 RowdierBob wrote: Best letting True drone like its a Fastest map. Not good. That DT thinned out the drone herd a little... | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Best has no econ anymore eh he's got 2 expos up, he's on 3 gas. just needs to keep it alive | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:40 gravity wrote: that's a lot of +3 archons though A lot of *plagued* archons x.x | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:45 SkelA wrote: Best is the better player but he got blindsided with the tech switch. He also didn't scout early on, and got caught off guard with that simple hydra bust. Having a 2nd cannon at his natural's wall would have been extremely helpful. | ||
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RowdierBob
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I guess Best really thought True was going to go early mutas and went a hard counter with the DA. But True just made lots of drones instead and the game was all but over by the time Best could move out. Great play from True though. His counter play and defiler defence was spot on. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 19:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He also didn't scout early on, and got caught off guard with that simple hydra bust. Having a 2nd cannon at his natural's wall would have been extremely helpful. He confirmed Lair and the map is not designed in favor of a Hydra bust. What more do you want? Can't play like noob level where you can place something blindly "just in case" for extra safe measure because it doesn't matter in the long term since your opponents are bad too. Zerg doesn't make extra lings, Terran doesn't make extra Turrets blindly "just in case" like that too. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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On September 09 2025 19:50 barcodejester wrote: like i said good chance we get 0 toss in ro8. Protoss is just not on the level of Z & T in overall faction strength, map balance and player ability. aiur has been the punching bag in BW and it will continue. buff scouts maybe that could make protoss stronger :^) | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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I know im a fucking nooby but i'd love to see someone good make 2 DA and leverage the mana pool aggressively. I just wanna see it one time. | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:54 TMNT wrote: He confirmed Lair and the map is not designed in favor of a Hydra bust. What more do you want? Can't play like noob level where you can place something blindly "just in case" for extra safe measure because it doesn't matter in the long term since your opponents are bad too. Zerg doesn't make extra lings, Terran doesn't make extra Turrets blindly "just in case" like that too. So the only way to hold off an early game hydra bust is to "play like noob level" and play "blindly"? Come on. I wanted Best to win, but he fell behind from the start because he didn't check/recheck for hydras. That's pretty significant. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 20:00 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: whats stopping toss from going mass DA, lack of gas? its not that the gas investment is too much, its part of it but really, 2 dts are always going to be more useful than a DA in most situations. | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: Best scouted a lair with hidden probe but True canceled it after killing the probe. Then went hydras. Like it's w/e but Best got like no value out of the DA and didn't really try anything else. I know im a fucking nooby but i'd love to see someone good make 2 DA and leverage the mana pool aggressively. I just wanna see it one time. I've seen it done with great success vs mass hydra and lurker. But heavy lurker and ling builds counter DAs pretty hard. Maelstrom isn't good vs lings and DAs are a bitch to micro against defilers. They're awesome vs muta balls but I think reavers are probably a better late game investment. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:00 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: whats stopping toss from going mass DA, lack of gas? i just think people find it suboptimal/slow/bad but i've never actually seen someone creative and good use it. Maybe 1 to counter mutas or 1 maelstrom on ground units before it gets popped then that's it. i get that it's hard to control and prolly better in my head than in practice but i still wanna see it. the cool thing is they're a lot faster than HT. IDK. w/e | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:03 RowdierBob wrote: I've seen it done with great success vs mass hydra and lurker. But heavy lurker and ling builds counter DAs pretty hard. Maelstrom isn't good vs lings and DAs are a bitch to micro against defilers. They're awesome vs muta balls but I think reavers are probably a better late game investment. fair. i know this isn't warcraft 3 too, so you're not mega-babysitting your casters but in the midgame i feel like you can probably devote some extra APM to it. maybe just too situational and if you lose one you're more pissed than losing a HT for free. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:07 RowdierBob wrote: A muta ball is coming soon. More like muta my balls. Or something. Great play from Bisu. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:07 RowdierBob wrote: I hope Bisu keeps making cairs. A muta ball is coming soon. you know its bothering me for a while how you spell corsairs or sairs. then again its better than c-sairs. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: the universe has conspired to give bisu the best shot. Hopefully the next PvZ game runs just as smoothly too  | ||
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RowdierBob
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Or is this my Homer "I've been calling her Crandall!" moment? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 20:14 RowdierBob wrote: BTS is True from SC2, yeah? Or is this my Homer "I've been calling her Crandall!" moment? no its true. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: you know its bothering me for a while how you spell corsairs or sairs. then again its better than c-sairs. It'll always be cairs to me you American heathen. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:15 RowdierBob wrote: It'll always be cairs to me you American heathen. since when did I become american? | ||
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RowdierBob
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About 2 mins ago it seems. | ||
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Sorry... Cairs is absolutely horrible, you should feel very bad  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:21 Velr wrote: Who cairs? Sorry... Cairs is absolutely horrible, you should feel very bad I will fight you all.  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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but I don't wanna be american. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 20:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So the only way to hold off an early game hydra bust is to "play like noob level" and play "blindly"? Come on. I wanted Best to win, but he fell behind from the start because he didn't check/recheck for hydras. That's pretty significant. The only sure way, actually yes, as in "if you do this you're completely fine against that specific play, regardless of what your opponent does". But that's not how BW is played and certainly not how the game is played at pro level. You get scouting information and react according to the information you have, and you gain advantage by building what's useful and skipping what's not useful for you according to that information. Best was not holding off a hydra bust, according to the scouting information he had, plus the map and spawn conditions. In BW unless you have map hack you rarely confirm something at 100% and you only make your decisions based on the 70-80% you obtain from scouting and meta. The information Best had dictates a normal game where your first Corsair is supposed to get the first Overlord and return home to avoid Scourges. By the way I doubt that if that Corsair headed towards BTS's main, the second Cannon would be on time anyway. Also Best did try to recheck by sending 1 Zealot out but it got caught by Lings). This kind of games (where Zerg cancel Lair and go for a Hydra bust) always happens from time to time and there's no real counter other than luck. Bisu died like that twice against Soulkey in recent seasons. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:29 RowdierBob wrote: Bleh True should show more faith in himself for game 1. He just took down a top Protoss in a macro game. All in isn’t the play there. He gets to play Bisu in the winner of Ro16 by doing all-ins and tricks all along the way and got lucky with them. Gross. I blame you Hero. | ||
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Sorry mate I'm with them, "Cairs" is gross hahah | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:39 gravity wrote: He went really hard on sairs. *Cairs. Ok I’ll stop now. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:31 oxKnu wrote: This is a phenomenal group for Bisu. Auto-win in Bo3 PvP + 2 zergs that don't like to use their brain too much. I salute Bisu for literally minutes after this post proving the exact opposite, literally throwing a win. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:42 RowdierBob wrote: Weird that True seems very confident to take Best straight up but has no interest in a late game PvZ with Bisu. Best has horrendous corsair micro. Appaling even. Zergs see that and think it's easy prey, no matter what form they're in. | ||
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True's playstyle is legit. If you have good mechanics i think it's strong for zerg. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 20:42 RowdierBob wrote: Weird that True seems very confident to take Best straight up but has no interest in a late game PvZ with Bisu. He didn't take Best straight up though. He got an enormous advantage by doing hydra trick that two bases denied and 3 mineral lines wiped doesn't matter. | ||
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On September 08 2025 18:27 RogerChillingworth wrote: Rush/Soulkey or shoot me. IN. THE FACE. Also BisuDagger should be banned for that other post putting Bisu over Best. It's like when people argued on behalf of Spiderman Enter the Spiderweb vs The Boy and the Heron that one year. Permanently banned.  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:46 TMNT wrote: He didn't take Best straight up though. He got an enormous advantage by doing hydra trick that two bases denied and 3 mineral lines wiped doesn't matter. Reminds me of Blackman from way back when. Weird early game build to secure the advantage then crazy macro. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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i'm 50/50 rn | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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lmao, you know roger if you're up for it I'll give you a couple of days, just honor the call for a ban bet. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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ok you're unbanned. but we have to wait to see how Best does now. if he loses to queen here then i was dead wrong and i sry. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: ok you're unbanned. but we have to wait to see how Best does now. if he loses to queen here then i was dead wrong and i sry. I picked Soulkey to lose yesterday too. My LBs are looking fantastic. Let's not forget I'm a two time LB champion.  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Glad Bisu made it out This is seriously the best Bisu has looked since the Sonic era. He's really dialed in. You can tell just by the way his probes move. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: lmao, you know roger if you're up for it I'll give you a couple of days, just honor the call for a ban bet. if best doesn't make it out, sure. cuz it was rlly about bisu getting out instead of best. ill take a lil smack in the mouth. i can live with it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On September 09 2025 21:26 RowdierBob wrote: Best’s control hasn't been the… best today. Not sure about that. His army and unit control have been solid today. He lost both game by macro, not by engaging terribly. Just look at the supply in both games. | ||
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i actually liked the way best played this one just didn't quite execute it great | ||
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Best accessing his champion form. Shedding his jock form. | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:56 prosatan wrote: Man.... how is this possible?????? Timing, it wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been better at the moment. Queen would have wanted to do more with his mutas but they were all low hp so he could only hang around and try to harass/kill zealots. | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:57 iFU.pauline wrote: "And your sub-zero... NOW PLAIN ZERO" you are allowed to post links like this | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: Timing, it wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been better at the moment. Queen would have wanted to do more with his mutas but they were all low hp so he could only hang around and try to harass/kill zealots. agree... jangbiesque timing | ||
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Protoss Upgrades +2 Armor +1 attack Zerg Upgrades: +1 attack +1 Air Carapace | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSZ25ikUKVY you are allowed to post links like this he's baiting us into a ban, don't believe him! | ||
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- Queen missed the move out - half of his army was out on the map - the initial storms did good damage - Best reinforcements came clutch | ||
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We move on. | ||
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prosatan
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Right guys ?? right ??? | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:05 prosatan wrote: Best should be favorite ! Right guys ?? right ??? First game of today would say no (unfortunately), but let's hope that Best can win this time | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:05 prosatan wrote: Best should be favorite ! Right guys ?? right ??? As long as he doesn't get PTSD flashbacks to JulyZerg cheesing him | ||
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Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 1? No (10) Yes (1) If you have time (0) 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 1? | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: come on man +1 .... | ||
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Barracks and the winners of group C and D would be licking their lips. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:21 art_of_turtle wrote: You guys will praise the Boldness of Best doing a proxy gate DT Rush, but when BTS does a standard 3h Hydra bust you guys will roll your eyes because BTS Saw the opening and struck with the ferocity of Jaedong. I think it’s more Best dying to something he should know better against. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:22 LightSpectra wrote: F-tier zergling/drone micro I mean BTS isn't that good, which is why best struggling just feels worse. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:21 art_of_turtle wrote: You guys will praise the Boldness of Best doing a proxy gate DT Rush, but when BTS does a standard 3h Hydra bust you guys will roll your eyes because BTS Saw the opening and struck with the ferocity of Jaedong. Also if Best had 1-2 more zealots or pulled the probes sooner he probably held that. he had like 7 cannons or somth | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 09 2025 22:22 TMNT wrote: clown fiesta Definitely agree with you there! | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:22 RowdierBob wrote: I think it’s more Best dying to something he should know better against. Best struggling isn't BTS Fault! | ||
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RowdierBob
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You are indeed correct. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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nonsense, cheese is as valid as a hidden expo. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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its called rooting for a guy. | ||
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prosatan
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art_of_turtle
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On September 09 2025 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote: nonsense, cheese is as valid as a hidden expo. You should always be able to pull out the quick win whenever your opponent is weak and you catch it | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:28 Zergxhx wrote: It‘s over.. its not over till its over but it certainly looks bad bruh why would you start with just 4 hydras. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On September 09 2025 22:28 Zergxhx wrote: It‘s over.. We said that vs queen when Best Probe glitched out first 3 seconds of the game | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:36 prosatan wrote: i wonder why zergs don't send a ling to EVERY base on the map... I think BTS was just extremely excited at the idea tat he could end the game | ||
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gravity
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Gorsameth
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On September 09 2025 22:39 ShloobeR wrote: absolutely. he is throwing away so many unitsThis feels a little tilty by bts now | ||
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gravity
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 09 2025 22:36 prosatan wrote: i wonder why zergs don't send a ling to EVERY base on the map... It's crazy that BTS is just letting Best take a free base lol. | ||
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prosatan
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On September 09 2025 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: I think BTS was just extremely excited at the idea tat he could end the game yeah... he will be extremely disappointed if he loses... | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:44 SkelA wrote: Upgrades for Best should win this. No defiler either looks good! forget no defiler he hasn't even started hive. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: forget no defiler he hasn't even started hive. Yeah I think BTS is just stuck with a unit composition that isn't effective anymore. Didn't transition into... anything. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:44 art_of_turtle wrote: both fan bases trying to justify their player to win https://youtu.be/udG3_A2F0uw?si=K89Fwhi4Zm0h5X9n&t=40 we're watching the same thing. tell me BTS can take a fight? | ||
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On September 09 2025 18:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I would love it if both Bisu and Best made it through. Yay | ||
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Sorusaba
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Yes... The leaves are falling. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13295 Posts
The double DA was a master stroke though. | ||
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art_of_turtle
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On September 09 2025 22:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: we're watching the same thing. tell me BTS can take a fight? I was yelling at my monitor for BTS to switch to cracklings after he killed hidden base | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I think BTS is just stuck with a unit composition that isn't effective anymore. Didn't transition into... anything. yeah going back to my point, he definitely got excited he could end the game earlier and didn't plan to transition out of it. dude had some legit solid strats and up until then played great, but even in the opening match against best he just didn't have the control in any fight he just happened to be so ahead that it didn't matter. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: Exactly. A better player would have closed out that first game way sooner.yeah going back to my point, he definitely got excited he could end the game earlier and didn't plan to transition out of it. dude had some legit solid strats and up until then played great, but even in the opening match against best he just didn't have the control in any fight he just happened to be so ahead that it didn't matter. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:49 Gorsameth wrote: BTS's control is just isn't up to the level needed. You say this but it goes to show if your mid game sense is solid you can almost take out an elite protoss who looked washed up after queen | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50592 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:51 art_of_turtle wrote: You say this but it goes to show if your mid game sense is solid you can almost take out an elite protoss who looked washed up after queen its almost like....no I don't want to start that debate. I don't want to encourage it either, this post is not an invitation. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its almost like....no I don't want to start that debate. I don't want to encourage it either, this post is not an invitation. I know, I'm meming because I really was pulling for the upset. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:48 RowdierBob wrote: Fark me, BTS’s late game engagements were grim. The double DA was a master stroke though. Game on Eclipse last season. BTS vs Best. BTS kept doubling down on Muta strategy even after the DA caught the first two groups. And it worked. Best probably wouldn't make the 2nd DA if it was another Zerg, but "hey, I'm not falling for your trick again". | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3336 Posts
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Simplistik
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I've actually been quite impressed with BTS this season, and I think we'll see more of him. | ||
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On September 09 2025 23:51 LightSpectra wrote: If SnOw and Mini win their group, there'll be four Protoss in the Ro24, Ro16, and Ro8. Scene when Snow and Mini get out of group C then match Bisu and Best in Ro8. Even more hilarious if Barracks gets Light and Effort gets Soma in the other quarterfinals. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4973 Posts
On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle What tends to happen, imo, is some kind of metaphysical human self fulfilling prophecy where overrepresentation leads to worse performance. It's probably something subliminal as in: "ah so many of us, I won't have to work as hard because we're so strong right now". And then they get slammed. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle *ZvP The fact that BTS got that close to knocking out Best and Bisu by doing variations of the hydra bust (while showing terrible control in mid and late game) isn't enough evidence for you? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6785 Posts
On September 09 2025 19:50 barcodejester wrote: like i said good chance we get 0 toss in ro8. Protoss is just not on the level of Z & T in overall faction strength, map balance and player ability. aiur has been the punching bag in BW and it will continue. Sure | ||
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LightSpectra
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On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle Glad you asked, want to talk about how BeSt is only advancing today because TRUE forgot what micro was? | ||
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On September 10 2025 00:03 TMNT wrote: *ZvP The fact that BTS got that close to knocking out Best and Bisu by doing variations of the hydra bust (while showing terrible control in mid and late game) isn't enough evidence for you? You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 10 2025 01:40 prion_ wrote: You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. Nah. That's just a disingenuous way to put it. "When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are referring to the global ZvP win rate which has always been in favor of Zerg. "When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are talking about some isolated incidents today (I'm talking about the BTS games) when the Protoss, who is 1 tier above the Zerg, could have lost because of the matchup design, and should have lost if the Zerg was at same tier skillwise, but still won because the Zerg made some baffling moves when he was leading. | ||
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LightSpectra
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On September 10 2025 01:40 prion_ wrote: You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. Literally nobody is saying a single game is proof of imbalance. | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
I am also happy for BeSt to make it out but I feel heartbreak for poor Queen with how he lost. There's always next year Champ. There's actually a fantastic shot for someone to win ASL that's never done it before this year. Also, there's a real good shot for a Protoss to actually win. I'm digging this season so far. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1043 Posts
On September 10 2025 02:14 G5 wrote: Let me just say that I hate how a BTS plays. I can and do respect plenty of cheeses and cheesy players, but when you just throw it out literally every game, in every match up, you're just producing shitty games 90%+ of the time. Whether you win or lose, I hate it all the same and I will always root against that type of player. With that said, the last game was really entertaining lol. I am also happy for BeSt to make it out but I feel heartbreak for poor Queen with how he lost. There's always next year Champ. There's actually a fantastic shot for someone to win ASL that's never done it before this year. Also, there's a real good shot for a Protoss to actually win. I'm digging this season so far. Soma wins. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
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On September 10 2025 02:14 G5 wrote: Let me just say that I hate how a BTS plays. I can and do respect plenty of cheeses and cheesy players, but when you just throw it out literally every game, in every match up, you're just producing shitty games 90%+ of the time. Whether you win or lose, I hate it all the same and I will always root against that type of player. With that said, the last game was really entertaining lol. he made it work in ASL unlike a lot of cheese-zergs. had a very favorable game state on the last map before best started the hidden base. i thought he made the group a lot more fun because best started to fatigue vs queen like a tired boxer in the later rounds | ||
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On September 10 2025 21:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: i was let down by BTS, because this was in fact some of the least coordinated play I have seen from him. The nerves really got to him. He was visibly shaking after each game. If he had managed to remain cold and focused he would have won. Welcome to the "True" fanbase. I'm left with a slight feeling of a letdown, but the Koprulu Sector is filled with silent echos in space with no one to hear you. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2229 Posts
On September 10 2025 02:14 G5 wrote: Let me just say that I hate how a BTS plays. I can and do respect plenty of cheeses and cheesy players, but when you just throw it out literally every game, in every match up, you're just producing shitty games 90%+ of the time. Whether you win or lose, I hate it all the same and I will always root against that type of player. With that said, the last game was really entertaining lol. I am also happy for BeSt to make it out but I feel heartbreak for poor Queen with how he lost. There's always next year Champ. There's actually a fantastic shot for someone to win ASL that's never done it before this year. Also, there's a real good shot for a Protoss to actually win. I'm digging this season so far. Let's not forget FlaSh used to be called Cheddar terran in his beginnings because all he did was cheese. His time might come. | ||
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G5
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On September 11 2025 00:16 johanes wrote: Let's not forget FlaSh used to be called Cheddar terran in his beginnings because all he did was cheese. His time might come. That is very true. I actually hated FlaSh when I first saw him. I remember him cheesing Bisu every game right out of a Starleague. I hated it. BTS' time might come. I don't ever expect him to ever be FlaSh but if he develops non-cheese / gimmick builds to incorporate into his game, I'd be impressed. Not that him or anyone else should or does care what I think. | ||
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mtcn77
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On September 11 2025 00:52 G5 wrote: That is very true. I actually hated FlaSh when I first saw him. I remember him cheesing Bisu every game right out of a Starleague. I hated it. BTS' time might come. I don't ever expect him to ever be FlaSh but if he develops non-cheese / gimmick builds to incorporate into his game, I'd be impressed. Not that him or anyone else should or does care what I think. I hate Flash to this day, however that is okay. It is like harmonica keys, sometimes you play all the notes in a key and it becomes repetitive. It takes a challenge to overstep the boundaries. Not every player has to play like Soulkey switching tech like harp keys in the middle of his play. You can only play macro if you go too far in the tech tree and lose your chance by not appyling enough early game aggression. You need the limits set upon the economics of your game in order to win. If it were simple, we wouldn't call it cheese. It is cheese because not everyone can do it. | ||
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On September 11 2025 01:18 RogerChillingworth wrote: The prolonged lair tech style is actually very cool. It's refreshing that not everyone wants to steer the game into crackling/defiler. IMO it's great the game doesn't tell you how to play. We need more of this in Terran players, a la Fantasy. Even TY. To think he started his ascension last season with 7-pool, mind blown! He is a great zerg. I cannot think of any other who absolutely understood playing the early game, like playing protoss like Mini does. PS: one can liken his weakness last season vs Barracks similarly to Jaedong vs Light when both of them should move to 3', but moved to 6' o'clock. Looking how Jaedong has improved this year, we can take it as a herald for what is to come to True next year. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Barracks vs Best Bisu vs effOrt Those two series would awesome. | ||
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prosatan
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On September 11 2025 01:46 TornadoSteve wrote: Possible draw for RO8 Barracks vs Best Bisu vs effOrt Those two series would awesome. Best would be favorite imo... | ||
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him + speed they have a similar skillset | ||
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mtcn77
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On September 11 2025 03:16 CHEONSOYUN wrote: the one thing BTS has going for him vs other cheese zergs is he actually has good mechanics overall. him + speed they have a similar skillset Did you watch Speed vs Hero on Roaring Currents? He has the same JyJ finesse playing the two Starport Leta play. Funny enough True also plays a bit like Hero, both are very early-game conscious. I rewatched ASL 15 JyJ vs Hero 7th game recently. Rekindling does wonders for the memory, it seemed to pale since I watched the live broadcast. Does the meta change, or players fade I wonder. Speed did so much better vs Hero than JyJ that game. Games were much closer then, although not saying JyJ wasn't decisive in that game. That game was won from the get go. Motive and teolbo also had such brilliant moments. The insane genius of these players are their persistence. I am yet to see a single game they lost track of the opponent. They have a charming try hard attitude. They try things Boxer would attempt, Speed less erroneously so although he too has strong matchup weaknesses. | ||
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I can concur. Based on based level and form, he seems the most likely at this point. But he has to get out of Ro16 first. We saw already how a Bo1 can decide the fate of the group with Soulkey's. | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Not sure. a confident Barracks can shake Best. And if Best is shaken, we all know what's going to happen. Although Best looks quite strong mentally right now. I hope they meet ^^ | ||
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On September 11 2025 07:13 Lazyer wrote: These were great games for me to watch two Ps advance with fun PvZs Legend of the fall is real | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
Think tastosis miscast the composition of bests army. The gas does so much. Feel mixed on best overall. I guess I expect snow mini micro from these SKT1Toss. I kinda wish we saw more harassment and storm drops brought into mid late game play. | ||
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On September 11 2025 05:09 TornadoSteve wrote: Not sure. a confident Barracks can shake Best. And if Best is shaken, we all know what's going to happen. Although Best looks quite strong mentally right now. I hope they meet ^^ Best's biggest flaw as a player is he gives 100% in matches he's got no real chance of winning, dragging them out to 20 minutes by spending all his inspiration and losing anyways - and then he's exhausted so he runs out of steam in later games. If Barracks can take a decisive early game lead, and patiently play with his food in game 1 to wear Best out, he can win the series. If the games are all close and equally exhausting on both sides, I don't think there's a single terran I favor over Best right now. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 12 2025 11:56 reincremate wrote: That last game between Best and Queen was some of the most clutch eehan timing plays I've seen in a while. If Best pushed literally one second later he would have lost and we wouldn't have had that amazing revenge finals match against BTS--and then probably would have CheeseTS in the Ro8 after some lame ZvZzzz's. Many things had to fall in place for him though. It was more of a coincidence than a timing for me: Queen had a group of lings or something at Best's 3rd. His group of Muta was harassing Best's natural. Queen just took his 4th base and had some units there to defend it. Another group of Hydra was also at his 3rd. All 4 groups were not in position when Best came knocking at the front door. Best only had to fight portion after portion of Queen's army at a time. | ||
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Artas1984
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On September 09 2025 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote: today we determine if bisudagger is a criminal or not. I bet Bisudagger has a 3D printed mini Bisu statue, designed in freeCAD. He uses it as: A) lucky talisman. B) air refreshener. C) key holder weight. Anyway Bisu smacked Zero like a real bitch Queen. It's so satisfying to watch after all those Bisu's flops. On September 09 2025 20:52 TMNT wrote: Embarassing player. Just tricks and gambles all along the tournament. At least Shine's bag of builds is creative. Nonsense! BTS is the most exciting player in years to come! He prepared his builds according to his skill level! If he had faced low-ass protoss like Tyson, Paralize or Motive (somewhat his own rank), he could have played standard as he had more confidence. The only problem i saw was his lair zerg commitment in the final game, which led to his downfall. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 13 2025 03:23 Artas1984 wrote: Nonsense! BTS is the most exciting player in years to come! He prepared his builds according to his skill level! If he had faced low-ass protoss like Tyson, Paralize or Motive (somewhat his own rank), he could have played standard as he had more confidence. The only problem i saw was his lair zerg commitment in the final game, which led to his downfall. Nah. Exciting is someone like Speed who showed his skill. It's alright if you mix it in here and there, but BTS just performed cheese after cheese in almost every game, including against Barracks in Ro24. His game relies on some 'gotcha' moments because his opponents lack information, which is due to the design of the game, not because of his brilliance. Would you find a Protoss who keeps doing DT rush, proxy 99 or 1 base all in exciting? | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On September 13 2025 11:51 TMNT wrote: Nah. Exciting is someone like Speed who showed his skill. It's alright if you mix it in here and there, but BTS just performed cheese after cheese in almost every game, including against Barracks in Ro24. His game relies on some 'gotcha' moments because his opponents lack information, which is due to the design of the game, not because of his brilliance. Would you find a Protoss who keeps doing DT rush, proxy 99 or 1 base all in exciting? It is really a stretch to hear from someone who has a cognitive bias against protoss ground army advantage vs zerg that BTS is doing it wrong. It happened Shuttle vs Queen and now Best vs Queen. You couldn't compute both times. Let's face it, everything you say about pvz is wrong and both sides of the aisle will lose if they ever listen to you. PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations. On August 21 2025 02:49 Magic Powers wrote: Just wait until someone tells mtcn that protoss can do cannon rush in PvZ and it's actually a very popular strat these days. Also where is that guy who said proxy rushing protosses are common these days. I bet he is pretty excited this season. I find your statements devoid of genuine curiosity. | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 13 2025 15:31 mtcn77 wrote: PvZ is won by clumping together your units and breaking your enemy's unit formations. What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight? To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On September 14 2025 03:17 TMNT wrote: What does this sentence even mean? Is it supposed to be some sort of new insight? To me it's like saying you win a fight by killing their units and keeping your units alive. Holy shit. Big if true. You keep making points, Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack. Well, duh. One would assume you would put two together. | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 14 2025 09:46 mtcn77 wrote: Zero loses by having bunch of units all over the map in different bases while his opponents attack. This is exactly what I (and everyone) said. What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24592 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On September 14 2025 10:50 TMNT wrote: This is exactly what I (and everyone) said. What's your point? What did I say that was wrong? Can you write a fucking comprehensible sentence or make a clear point? Because I don't know what the hell you're trying to say. But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply. PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG! | ||
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felleN
Australia67 Posts
I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey633 Posts
On September 14 2025 15:45 felleN wrote: Best outcome possible for this group. I really enjoyed theses games. I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season Yeah, Best survived. The prince that was promised. | ||
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TMNT
3091 Posts
On September 14 2025 15:23 mtcn77 wrote: But in the previous thread they didn't make a case that they don't know how Shuttle won vs Queen. You do. At that point you are no longer sharing the common sense, but arguing against it. Let's not forget you only do this to obfuscate the fact BTS wins because of this by calling him boring. When you got to remember he plays zerg, using your whole army is the biggest challenge, so rushes and all the dirty tactics are all fair game because you have an army that you cannot use efficiently at max supply. PS: one wonders why you are so critical of zerg rising stars instead of those who lost their edge such as Queen, babying them by calling they threw the game when they lose. Winning by the slimmest margins is the thrill of Starcraft. Winning by a lot, BTS has nothing against him. GG! Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7922 Posts
On September 14 2025 16:18 TMNT wrote: Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up. Condolences we’ve all been there. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1895 Posts
On September 14 2025 16:18 TMNT wrote: Honestly this dude can't even string 2 sentences together and make sense of them. If you want to make a conversation with someone, speak English (or human language). I give up. You tried your best. Some people are just living Dunning-Kruger peaks and there's no fighting it. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States923 Posts
On September 10 2025 02:00 TMNT wrote: Nah. That's just a disingenuous way to put it. "When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are referring to the global ZvP win rate which has always been in favor of Zerg. "When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are talking about some isolated incidents today (I'm talking about the BTS games) when the Protoss, who is 1 tier above the Zerg, could have lost because of the matchup design, and should have lost if the Zerg was at same tier skillwise, but still won because the Zerg made some baffling moves when he was leading. You don't have any idea what the meta state of zvp is nowdays. Zergs are forced to to do hydra lurk and sometimes attack into P army because standard game is so hard on these maps with wide chokepoints. You cant line up your lurkers in defensive position like you can do on maps like poly/FS. Y'll think zergs can just do anything they want but they can't because maps give P good early game defensive set up while giving zergs nothing for their defensive set up in mid game. Hence why this kind of things happen. Zerg becomes desperate to gain something in early game/mid game which is why there's so much ling runbys or hydra busts. It really on protoss to defend it and once they get used to it this happens. Protoss starts winning because the ultimate final meta on these new maps is playing standard games and that's where it does not favor zergs. So funny to think people thought zergs would dominate but it was the protoss who eliminated these zergs and MTCN has a point where protoss can just 1a2a3a4a5a in one move while zerg has its units placed everywhere. Zerg's weakness is in lurkers being burrowed and needing to be unburrowed to deal with toss deathball and as i said, the widechoke point leads to extreme vulnerability... if you're in defensive positions on these maps you get easily flanked on one side and your lurkers die easily. This is why so many zergs try to attack into P army, hoping for a flank but they can't and it leads to such "crazy" errors by BTS. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden310 Posts
I am so glad he was able to bring it all together and come out winning! | ||
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goody153
44235 Posts
Also Bisu's double stargate when it works just smashes zerg lol Also Best clawing through the group to get out with especially with two incredible cheeses like who does gateway proxy on the base lmao there';s even that 3rd base canon rush lol Double protoss on Ro8 for this group. Best really clutched here | ||
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goody153
44235 Posts
On September 14 2025 15:45 felleN wrote: Best outcome possible for this group. I really enjoyed theses games. I think a protoss player has a real chance of winning this season Real chance? I'm almost certain Snow wins this ASL with Soulkey out Like seriously it has been few seasons with only soulkey really stopping Snow. Then we even have two extra protoss. Protoss is probably favored for the the playoffs | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
 GGs! | ||
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