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Bisu > Queen Bisu > Best Queen > BTS Queen > Best | ||
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Simplistik
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Feeling Bisu and Queen (sorry Best). Good bye LB. | ||
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RowdierBob
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Best > True Queen > Bisu Queen > Best Bisu > True Bisu > Best. That said, good chance it’ll be bucket night too. Always a big occasion on the ASL calendar. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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with how this tournament is going I could see 2 copies of BTS advancing insane dubstep drop, zoom in, zoom out. Wubwubwubwubwubuwub GooglePlay jumps off the roof | ||
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SCRVN
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Bisu < Queen BTS < Queen Best > Bisu Best < BTS | ||
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On September 09 2025 18:55 SCRVN wrote: Best < BTS Bisu < Queen BTS < Queen Best > Bisu Best < BTS This would be a grim outcome. For good racial balance in the ro8 I’m hoping at least one of the protosses make it. Queen is strong ZvP so I’m pretty confident he’ll make it tonight. Likely one of Best/Bisu does too but BTS getting through would not be a shock either, especially if he wins game 1. | ||
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gravity
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gravity
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On September 09 2025 19:25 gravity wrote: RIP Or not yet, but seems too little too late? | ||
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gravity
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On September 09 2025 19:31 RowdierBob wrote: Best letting True drone like its a Fastest map. Not good. That DT thinned out the drone herd a little... | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Best has no econ anymore eh he's got 2 expos up, he's on 3 gas. just needs to keep it alive | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:40 gravity wrote: that's a lot of +3 archons though A lot of *plagued* archons x.x | ||
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On September 09 2025 19:45 SkelA wrote: Best is the better player but he got blindsided with the tech switch. He also didn't scout early on, and got caught off guard with that simple hydra bust. Having a 2nd cannon at his natural's wall would have been extremely helpful. | ||
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RowdierBob
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I guess Best really thought True was going to go early mutas and went a hard counter with the DA. But True just made lots of drones instead and the game was all but over by the time Best could move out. Great play from True though. His counter play and defiler defence was spot on. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 19:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He also didn't scout early on, and got caught off guard with that simple hydra bust. Having a 2nd cannon at his natural's wall would have been extremely helpful. He confirmed Lair and the map is not designed in favor of a Hydra bust. What more do you want? Can't play like noob level where you can place something blindly "just in case" for extra safe measure because it doesn't matter in the long term since your opponents are bad too. Zerg doesn't make extra lings, Terran doesn't make extra Turrets blindly "just in case" like that too. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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On September 09 2025 19:50 barcodejester wrote: like i said good chance we get 0 toss in ro8. Protoss is just not on the level of Z & T in overall faction strength, map balance and player ability. aiur has been the punching bag in BW and it will continue. buff scouts maybe that could make protoss stronger :^) | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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I know im a fucking nooby but i'd love to see someone good make 2 DA and leverage the mana pool aggressively. I just wanna see it one time. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 09 2025 19:54 TMNT wrote: He confirmed Lair and the map is not designed in favor of a Hydra bust. What more do you want? Can't play like noob level where you can place something blindly "just in case" for extra safe measure because it doesn't matter in the long term since your opponents are bad too. Zerg doesn't make extra lings, Terran doesn't make extra Turrets blindly "just in case" like that too. So the only way to hold off an early game hydra bust is to "play like noob level" and play "blindly"? Come on. I wanted Best to win, but he fell behind from the start because he didn't check/recheck for hydras. That's pretty significant. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 20:00 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: whats stopping toss from going mass DA, lack of gas? its not that the gas investment is too much, its part of it but really, 2 dts are always going to be more useful than a DA in most situations. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On September 09 2025 19:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: Best scouted a lair with hidden probe but True canceled it after killing the probe. Then went hydras. Like it's w/e but Best got like no value out of the DA and didn't really try anything else. I know im a fucking nooby but i'd love to see someone good make 2 DA and leverage the mana pool aggressively. I just wanna see it one time. I've seen it done with great success vs mass hydra and lurker. But heavy lurker and ling builds counter DAs pretty hard. Maelstrom isn't good vs lings and DAs are a bitch to micro against defilers. They're awesome vs muta balls but I think reavers are probably a better late game investment. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On September 09 2025 20:00 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: whats stopping toss from going mass DA, lack of gas? i just think people find it suboptimal/slow/bad but i've never actually seen someone creative and good use it. Maybe 1 to counter mutas or 1 maelstrom on ground units before it gets popped then that's it. i get that it's hard to control and prolly better in my head than in practice but i still wanna see it. the cool thing is they're a lot faster than HT. IDK. w/e | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:03 RowdierBob wrote: I've seen it done with great success vs mass hydra and lurker. But heavy lurker and ling builds counter DAs pretty hard. Maelstrom isn't good vs lings and DAs are a bitch to micro against defilers. They're awesome vs muta balls but I think reavers are probably a better late game investment. fair. i know this isn't warcraft 3 too, so you're not mega-babysitting your casters but in the midgame i feel like you can probably devote some extra APM to it. maybe just too situational and if you lose one you're more pissed than losing a HT for free. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:07 RowdierBob wrote: A muta ball is coming soon. More like muta my balls. Or something. Great play from Bisu. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:07 RowdierBob wrote: I hope Bisu keeps making cairs. A muta ball is coming soon. you know its bothering me for a while how you spell corsairs or sairs. then again its better than c-sairs. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: the universe has conspired to give bisu the best shot. Hopefully the next PvZ game runs just as smoothly too  | ||
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RowdierBob
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Or is this my Homer "I've been calling her Crandall!" moment? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 20:14 RowdierBob wrote: BTS is True from SC2, yeah? Or is this my Homer "I've been calling her Crandall!" moment? no its true. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: you know its bothering me for a while how you spell corsairs or sairs. then again its better than c-sairs. It'll always be cairs to me you American heathen. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:15 RowdierBob wrote: It'll always be cairs to me you American heathen. since when did I become american? | ||
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RowdierBob
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About 2 mins ago it seems. | ||
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Velr
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Sorry... Cairs is absolutely horrible, you should feel very bad  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:21 Velr wrote: Who cairs? Sorry... Cairs is absolutely horrible, you should feel very bad I will fight you all.  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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but I don't wanna be american. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 20:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So the only way to hold off an early game hydra bust is to "play like noob level" and play "blindly"? Come on. I wanted Best to win, but he fell behind from the start because he didn't check/recheck for hydras. That's pretty significant. The only sure way, actually yes, as in "if you do this you're completely fine against that specific play, regardless of what your opponent does". But that's not how BW is played and certainly not how the game is played at pro level. You get scouting information and react according to the information you have, and you gain advantage by building what's useful and skipping what's not useful for you according to that information. Best was not holding off a hydra bust, according to the scouting information he had, plus the map and spawn conditions. In BW unless you have map hack you rarely confirm something at 100% and you only make your decisions based on the 70-80% you obtain from scouting and meta. The information Best had dictates a normal game where your first Corsair is supposed to get the first Overlord and return home to avoid Scourges. By the way I doubt that if that Corsair headed towards BTS's main, the second Cannon would be on time anyway. Also Best did try to recheck by sending 1 Zealot out but it got caught by Lings). This kind of games (where Zerg cancel Lair and go for a Hydra bust) always happens from time to time and there's no real counter other than luck. Bisu died like that twice against Soulkey in recent seasons. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 20:29 RowdierBob wrote: Bleh True should show more faith in himself for game 1. He just took down a top Protoss in a macro game. All in isn’t the play there. He gets to play Bisu in the winner of Ro16 by doing all-ins and tricks all along the way and got lucky with them. Gross. I blame you Hero. | ||
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Sorry mate I'm with them, "Cairs" is gross hahah | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:39 gravity wrote: He went really hard on sairs. *Cairs. Ok I’ll stop now. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:31 oxKnu wrote: This is a phenomenal group for Bisu. Auto-win in Bo3 PvP + 2 zergs that don't like to use their brain too much. I salute Bisu for literally minutes after this post proving the exact opposite, literally throwing a win. | ||
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oxKnu
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On September 09 2025 20:42 RowdierBob wrote: Weird that True seems very confident to take Best straight up but has no interest in a late game PvZ with Bisu. Best has horrendous corsair micro. Appaling even. Zergs see that and think it's easy prey, no matter what form they're in. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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True's playstyle is legit. If you have good mechanics i think it's strong for zerg. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 20:42 RowdierBob wrote: Weird that True seems very confident to take Best straight up but has no interest in a late game PvZ with Bisu. He didn't take Best straight up though. He got an enormous advantage by doing hydra trick that two bases denied and 3 mineral lines wiped doesn't matter. | ||
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On September 08 2025 18:27 RogerChillingworth wrote: Rush/Soulkey or shoot me. IN. THE FACE. Also BisuDagger should be banned for that other post putting Bisu over Best. It's like when people argued on behalf of Spiderman Enter the Spiderweb vs The Boy and the Heron that one year. Permanently banned.  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:46 TMNT wrote: He didn't take Best straight up though. He got an enormous advantage by doing hydra trick that two bases denied and 3 mineral lines wiped doesn't matter. Reminds me of Blackman from way back when. Weird early game build to secure the advantage then crazy macro. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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i'm 50/50 rn | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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lmao, you know roger if you're up for it I'll give you a couple of days, just honor the call for a ban bet. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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ok you're unbanned. but we have to wait to see how Best does now. if he loses to queen here then i was dead wrong and i sry. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:56 RogerChillingworth wrote: ok you're unbanned. but we have to wait to see how Best does now. if he loses to queen here then i was dead wrong and i sry. I picked Soulkey to lose yesterday too. My LBs are looking fantastic. Let's not forget I'm a two time LB champion.  | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Glad Bisu made it out This is seriously the best Bisu has looked since the Sonic era. He's really dialed in. You can tell just by the way his probes move. | ||
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On September 09 2025 20:55 BLinD-RawR wrote: lmao, you know roger if you're up for it I'll give you a couple of days, just honor the call for a ban bet. if best doesn't make it out, sure. cuz it was rlly about bisu getting out instead of best. ill take a lil smack in the mouth. i can live with it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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Hoping for BeSt to advance now, but that’s going to be tricky. | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:26 RowdierBob wrote: Best’s control hasn't been the… best today. Not sure about that. His army and unit control have been solid today. He lost both game by macro, not by engaging terribly. Just look at the supply in both games. | ||
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i actually liked the way best played this one just didn't quite execute it great | ||
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Best accessing his champion form. Shedding his jock form. | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:56 prosatan wrote: Man.... how is this possible?????? Timing, it wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been better at the moment. Queen would have wanted to do more with his mutas but they were all low hp so he could only hang around and try to harass/kill zealots. | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:57 iFU.pauline wrote: "And your sub-zero... NOW PLAIN ZERO" you are allowed to post links like this | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: Timing, it wasn't perfect but it couldn't have been better at the moment. Queen would have wanted to do more with his mutas but they were all low hp so he could only hang around and try to harass/kill zealots. agree... jangbiesque timing | ||
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art_of_turtle
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Protoss Upgrades +2 Armor +1 attack Zerg Upgrades: +1 attack +1 Air Carapace | ||
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On September 09 2025 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSZ25ikUKVY you are allowed to post links like this he's baiting us into a ban, don't believe him! | ||
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TMNT
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- Queen missed the move out - half of his army was out on the map - the initial storms did good damage - Best reinforcements came clutch | ||
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oxKnu
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We move on. | ||
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prosatan
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Right guys ?? right ??? | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:05 prosatan wrote: Best should be favorite ! Right guys ?? right ??? First game of today would say no (unfortunately), but let's hope that Best can win this time | ||
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LightSpectra
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On September 09 2025 22:05 prosatan wrote: Best should be favorite ! Right guys ?? right ??? As long as he doesn't get PTSD flashbacks to JulyZerg cheesing him | ||
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Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 1? No (4) Yes (0) If you have time (0) 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 1? | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: come on man +1 .... | ||
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Barracks and the winners of group C and D would be licking their lips. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:21 art_of_turtle wrote: You guys will praise the Boldness of Best doing a proxy gate DT Rush, but when BTS does a standard 3h Hydra bust you guys will roll your eyes because BTS Saw the opening and struck with the ferocity of Jaedong. I think it’s more Best dying to something he should know better against. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:22 LightSpectra wrote: F-tier zergling/drone micro I mean BTS isn't that good, which is why best struggling just feels worse. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:21 art_of_turtle wrote: You guys will praise the Boldness of Best doing a proxy gate DT Rush, but when BTS does a standard 3h Hydra bust you guys will roll your eyes because BTS Saw the opening and struck with the ferocity of Jaedong. Also if Best had 1-2 more zealots or pulled the probes sooner he probably held that. he had like 7 cannons or somth | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 09 2025 22:22 TMNT wrote: clown fiesta Definitely agree with you there! | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:22 RowdierBob wrote: I think it’s more Best dying to something he should know better against. Best struggling isn't BTS Fault! | ||
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RowdierBob
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You are indeed correct. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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nonsense, cheese is as valid as a hidden expo. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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its called rooting for a guy. | ||
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prosatan
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art_of_turtle
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On September 09 2025 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote: nonsense, cheese is as valid as a hidden expo. You should always be able to pull out the quick win whenever your opponent is weak and you catch it | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:28 Zergxhx wrote: It‘s over.. its not over till its over but it certainly looks bad bruh why would you start with just 4 hydras. | ||
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RowdierBob
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RowdierBob
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Don’t think best will be able to keep up in mid/late game. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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art_of_turtle
United States1198 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:28 Zergxhx wrote: It‘s over.. We said that vs queen when Best Probe glitched out first 3 seconds of the game | ||
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prosatan
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RogerChillingworth
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:36 prosatan wrote: i wonder why zergs don't send a ling to EVERY base on the map... I think BTS was just extremely excited at the idea tat he could end the game | ||
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LightSpectra
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gravity
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Zergxhx
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iFU.pauline
France1607 Posts
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ShloobeR
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21754 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:39 ShloobeR wrote: absolutely. he is throwing away so many unitsThis feels a little tilty by bts now | ||
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gravity
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44510 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:36 prosatan wrote: i wonder why zergs don't send a ling to EVERY base on the map... It's crazy that BTS is just letting Best take a free base lol. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8263 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: I think BTS was just extremely excited at the idea tat he could end the game yeah... he will be extremely disappointed if he loses... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:44 SkelA wrote: Upgrades for Best should win this. No defiler either looks good! forget no defiler he hasn't even started hive. | ||
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prosatan
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44510 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: forget no defiler he hasn't even started hive. Yeah I think BTS is just stuck with a unit composition that isn't effective anymore. Didn't transition into... anything. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:44 art_of_turtle wrote: both fan bases trying to justify their player to win https://youtu.be/udG3_A2F0uw?si=K89Fwhi4Zm0h5X9n&t=40 we're watching the same thing. tell me BTS can take a fight? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On September 09 2025 18:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I would love it if both Bisu and Best made it through. Yay | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Sorusaba
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Yes... The leaves are falling. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13086 Posts
The double DA was a master stroke though. | ||
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TMNT
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art_of_turtle
United States1198 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:46 BLinD-RawR wrote: we're watching the same thing. tell me BTS can take a fight? I was yelling at my monitor for BTS to switch to cracklings after he killed hidden base | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I think BTS is just stuck with a unit composition that isn't effective anymore. Didn't transition into... anything. yeah going back to my point, he definitely got excited he could end the game earlier and didn't plan to transition out of it. dude had some legit solid strats and up until then played great, but even in the opening match against best he just didn't have the control in any fight he just happened to be so ahead that it didn't matter. | ||
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On September 09 2025 22:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: Exactly. A better player would have closed out that first game way sooner.yeah going back to my point, he definitely got excited he could end the game earlier and didn't plan to transition out of it. dude had some legit solid strats and up until then played great, but even in the opening match against best he just didn't have the control in any fight he just happened to be so ahead that it didn't matter. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1198 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:49 Gorsameth wrote: BTS's control is just isn't up to the level needed. You say this but it goes to show if your mid game sense is solid you can almost take out an elite protoss who looked washed up after queen | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 09 2025 22:51 art_of_turtle wrote: You say this but it goes to show if your mid game sense is solid you can almost take out an elite protoss who looked washed up after queen its almost like....no I don't want to start that debate. I don't want to encourage it either, this post is not an invitation. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1198 Posts
On September 09 2025 22:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: its almost like....no I don't want to start that debate. I don't want to encourage it either, this post is not an invitation. I know, I'm meming because I really was pulling for the upset. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 22:48 RowdierBob wrote: Fark me, BTS’s late game engagements were grim. The double DA was a master stroke though. Game on Eclipse last season. BTS vs Best. BTS kept doubling down on Muta strategy even after the DA caught the first two groups. And it worked. Best probably wouldn't make the 2nd DA if it was another Zerg, but "hey, I'm not falling for your trick again". | ||
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Simplistik
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I've actually been quite impressed with BTS this season, and I think we'll see more of him. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 09 2025 23:51 LightSpectra wrote: If SnOw and Mini win their group, there'll be four Protoss in the Ro24, Ro16, and Ro8. Scene when Snow and Mini get out of group C then match Bisu and Best in Ro8. Even more hilarious if Barracks gets Light and Effort gets Soma in the other quarterfinals. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4832 Posts
On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle What tends to happen, imo, is some kind of metaphysical human self fulfilling prophecy where overrepresentation leads to worse performance. It's probably something subliminal as in: "ah so many of us, I won't have to work as hard because we're so strong right now". And then they get slammed. | ||
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TMNT
2802 Posts
On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle *ZvP The fact that BTS got that close to knocking out Best and Bisu by doing variations of the hydra bust (while showing terrible control in mid and late game) isn't enough evidence for you? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6626 Posts
On September 09 2025 19:50 barcodejester wrote: like i said good chance we get 0 toss in ro8. Protoss is just not on the level of Z & T in overall faction strength, map balance and player ability. aiur has been the punching bag in BW and it will continue. Sure | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1641 Posts
On September 09 2025 23:52 Zografa wrote: i wonder what happened to all the "zerg imba" whine that we had for a wihle Glad you asked, want to talk about how BeSt is only advancing today because TRUE forgot what micro was? | ||
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prion_
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On September 10 2025 00:03 TMNT wrote: *ZvP The fact that BTS got that close to knocking out Best and Bisu by doing variations of the hydra bust (while showing terrible control in mid and late game) isn't enough evidence for you? You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 10 2025 01:40 prion_ wrote: You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. Nah. That's just a disingenuous way to put it. "When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are referring to the global ZvP win rate which has always been in favor of Zerg. "When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored" = we are talking about some isolated incidents today (I'm talking about the BTS games) when the Protoss, who is 1 tier above the Zerg, could have lost because of the matchup design, and should have lost if the Zerg was at same tier skillwise, but still won because the Zerg made some baffling moves when he was leading. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1641 Posts
On September 10 2025 01:40 prion_ wrote: You must admit this is pretty funny. When Zerg wins it's evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. When Protoss wins? It's also evidence ZvP is Zerg favored. Literally nobody is saying a single game is proof of imbalance. | ||
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G5
United States2903 Posts
I am also happy for BeSt to make it out but I feel heartbreak for poor Queen with how he lost. There's always next year Champ. There's actually a fantastic shot for someone to win ASL that's never done it before this year. Also, there's a real good shot for a Protoss to actually win. I'm digging this season so far. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands941 Posts
On September 10 2025 02:14 G5 wrote: Let me just say that I hate how a BTS plays. I can and do respect plenty of cheeses and cheesy players, but when you just throw it out literally every game, in every match up, you're just producing shitty games 90%+ of the time. Whether you win or lose, I hate it all the same and I will always root against that type of player. With that said, the last game was really entertaining lol. I am also happy for BeSt to make it out but I feel heartbreak for poor Queen with how he lost. There's always next year Champ. There's actually a fantastic shot for someone to win ASL that's never done it before this year. Also, there's a real good shot for a Protoss to actually win. I'm digging this season so far. Soma wins. | ||
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