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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 06:28 GMT
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 06:33 GMT
#2
Mini and Soma Let's go !!!!!

Thank you BLinD-RawR for all these threads !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States348 Posts
August 20 2025 06:42 GMT
#3
Really excited to see Soma back! Hope he's cooking good stuff
pseudosignal
Profile Joined May 2025
28 Posts
August 20 2025 06:56 GMT
#4
Predictions:

Mini > Saber

soma > sSak
Both soma and EffOrt are huge question marks for me but I’d expect soma to prevail given his track record and current hype from other pros. Plus, TvT is the go-to matchup for sSak to dish out upsets in, not TvZ.

Mini > soma
One of the strongest players in the tournament, way more recent ASL experience, and a build order genius playing a weird map pool. Mini should take this.

sSak > Saber
Saber’s first ASL. sSak should crush him.

soma > sSak
Exact same thinking as their first clash. Though I don’t think a soma elim/sSak advances scenario is completely out of the question.


Mini and soma advance
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5044 Posts
August 20 2025 07:30 GMT
#5
I didn't realize it will be 3 days in a row. Glad I checked.
Let's go Mini!
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 08:01 GMT
#6
On August 20 2025 16:30 Peeano wrote:
I didn't realize it will be 3 days in a row. Glad I checked.
Let's go Mini!

Yes Peeano, 3 days! And next week, also 3 days
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 08:02 GMT
#7
LB on mini and soma.
I think sSak is a bit overrated..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2018 Posts
August 20 2025 08:45 GMT
#8
On August 20 2025 17:02 prosatan wrote:
LB on mini and soma.
I think sSak is a bit overrated..

Seems very sensible to me.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 09:40 GMT
#9
I wasn't paying close enough attention and missed the first two groups, hope this one is good.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 10:02 GMT
#10
Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's fuckingtimeboys.

BEST group of the ro24 by FAR..I got 2 diapers on and brown pants over THAT.

sSak doubters can bite a lemon and go to church. Would have liked to see him in a different group though, 3 people can't advance. Otherwise TY woulda got out yesterday and won the tournament.
pseudosignal
Profile Joined May 2025
28 Posts
August 20 2025 10:03 GMT
#11
Best group by far? With Saber in it? THAT'S A TAKE.

I do enjoy sSak though - but mostly in TvT.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:06 GMT
#12
On August 20 2025 17:02 prosatan wrote:
LB on mini and soma.
I think sSak is a bit overrated..


extremely overrated, he ssuks
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 10:07 GMT
#13
On August 20 2025 19:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 17:02 prosatan wrote:
LB on mini and soma.
I think sSak is a bit overrated..


extremely overrated, he ssuks

haaaaaaaaa
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 10:08 GMT
#14
On August 20 2025 18:40 gravity wrote:
I wasn't paying close enough attention and missed the first two groups, hope this one is good.

gravity you can find the games on youtube.. or, at least , some highlights...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria487 Posts
August 20 2025 10:08 GMT
#15
I continue missing Scan's translation during the pre-match Q&A, was so much fun to know how they are hyping themselves up, adding spice to the matches.
music is the best thing in the world
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:10 GMT
#16
Mini and soma. especially soma. dude looks strong af
Yuru Yuri best anime
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:22 GMT
#17
thats 3 overlords down gg
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 10:22 GMT
#18
juicy overlords all over ...
mini is ahead i think
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 10:23 GMT
#19
I guess this is what Protoss players always dream of when building Corsairs.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 10:26 GMT
#20
man.. saber got obliterated ....
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:26 GMT
#21
as expected saber is no match

probably nerves too since it is his first time
Yuru Yuri best anime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:26 GMT
#22
elementary
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 10:26 GMT
#23
Gotta feel for Saber though. Mini and Light probably the worst possible rolls and Light's in ro16. RIP ROFL.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:26 GMT
#24
Poll: Recommend Mini vs Saber?

No (8)
 
57%

If you have time (5)
 
36%

Yes (1)
 
7%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Mini vs Saber?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:32 GMT
#25
wtf is this jsa anthem lmao
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 10:32 GMT
#26
23 wins / 36 loses for sSak ... not so good imo

come on soma !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 10:39 GMT
#27
Look at the build. Look at the building placement. Look at him chew that gum.

You can quote all the stats you want, sSak is a God.

Also Mini's got huge RBF today. Don't think he can lose.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 10:41 GMT
#28
That Valk control lol
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:41 GMT
#29
well ssak lost two valks so lol
Yuru Yuri best anime
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 10:42 GMT
#30
On August 20 2025 19:41 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
well ssak lost two valks so lol

Think we at 4-5 now lmfao. Bro needs to just build goliaths or something.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 10:43 GMT
#31
He's just missing a turret on the high ground in his natural. Big oversight. Otherwise I don't think he loses all those.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 10:43 GMT
#32
Much better on the offensive with Valks
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 10:54 GMT
#33
Not the most convincing ad for Mech v Z.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:55 GMT
#34
A few plagues would have sped this up a long time ago
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:55 GMT
#35
but the job was done
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 10:56 GMT
#36
Poll: Recommend Soma vs sSak?

Yes (13)
 
93%

No (1)
 
7%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soma vs sSak?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 10:56 GMT
#37
Long slow death. Vultures and mines paid for themselves in gold but tanks just get wiped.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 10:57 GMT
#38
my predictions are still on point
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:06 GMT
#39
i think mini will win if he doesn't get cheesed...

then ssak > saber and soma > ssak

and we keep the LB happy
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1410 Posts
August 20 2025 11:12 GMT
#40
Lol, friggin stealth spec-ops zealot duo.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:12 GMT
#41
On August 20 2025 20:12 Highgamer wrote:
Lol, friggin stealth spec-ops zealot duo.

haha , very sneaky indeed !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:13 GMT
#42
mini you crazy toss
Yuru Yuri best anime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 11:14 GMT
#43
classic mini, facetanking scourge.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:18 GMT
#44
damn soma didnt notice the dts until now
Yuru Yuri best anime
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 11:20:45
August 20 2025 11:20 GMT
#45
Despite all that Mini doesn't feel super far ahead

Probably enough to win though?
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:21 GMT
#46
lol a stray drone
Yuru Yuri best anime
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 11:22 GMT
#47
Brutal attacking uphill into the contain
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:23 GMT
#48
lmao mini got mined out
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:23 GMT
#49
wth... mini is mined out ?!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:24 GMT
#50
gg

as expected, soma made it
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:24 GMT
#51
mini has 34 minerals and thats it haha
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 11:24:49
August 20 2025 11:24 GMT
#52
On August 20 2025 20:20 gravity wrote:
Despite all that Mini doesn't feel super far ahead

Probably enough to win though?


Or not. Did see the econ advantage kick in a couple of minutes after the drone slaughter but Mini lost too much (and took too long) breaking the contain.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 11:24 GMT
#53
Brutal
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#54
On August 20 2025 20:23 prosatan wrote:
wth... mini is mined out ?!


dude was too busy spamming corsairs that he forgot to expand to a third or at least the mineral only

lol
Yuru Yuri best anime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#55
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game?

Yes (16)
 
89%

No (2)
 
11%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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SwordM13X24
Profile Joined July 2010
United States191 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#56
That high ground is so brutal.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 11:25:42
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#57
Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#58
now i think it is better for my LB

imagine saber beats ssak and then soma lose to a BO to saber !!

it is better this way! mini can qualify without many problems imo
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1059 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#59
soma is so good, it's impressive.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 11:25 GMT
#60
On August 20 2025 20:23 prosatan wrote:
wth... mini is mined out ?!

ogreprotossgamer vs ogrezerggamer
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 11:26 GMT
#61
On August 20 2025 20:25 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 20:23 prosatan wrote:
wth... mini is mined out ?!


dude was too busy spamming corsairs that he forgot to expand to a third or at least the mineral only

lol

hahaha indeed !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 11:26 GMT
#62
Mini so dumb. I mean he broke the bridge outside his main then inexplicably turns around to go fight Soma’s units from the low ground? Just awful decision making but that’s Mini I guess.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 11:27 GMT
#63
mini is ADHD protoss.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 11:27 GMT
#64
On August 20 2025 20:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier.


Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 11:28 GMT
#65
With the double cair opening too he would’ve been better going reavers and speed zeals imo.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13038 Posts
August 20 2025 11:29 GMT
#66
On August 20 2025 20:26 RowdierBob wrote:
Mini so dumb. I mean he broke the bridge outside his main then inexplicably turns around to go fight Soma’s units from the low ground? Just awful decision making but that’s Mini I guess.



Not that easy to skip the fight then soma would just go in front of his base and its even worse. Two decisions with shitty outcomes for him....just needed soma to fail with micro to have any chance.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 11:29 GMT
#67
Number of days soma has not had bed head:
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 11:32 GMT
#68
On August 20 2025 20:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 20:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier.


Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO

Welcome to the internet where people post their opinion and takes... Maybe look around a bit before posting and learn things.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 11:36 GMT
#69
On August 20 2025 20:29 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 20:26 RowdierBob wrote:
Mini so dumb. I mean he broke the bridge outside his main then inexplicably turns around to go fight Soma’s units from the low ground? Just awful decision making but that’s Mini I guess.



Not that easy to skip the fight then soma would just go in front of his base and its even worse. Two decisions with shitty outcomes for him....just needed soma to fail with micro to have any chance.

He could’ve wrapped and taken the fight on the high ground. Trying to bust a lurker contain from the low ground is death.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 20 2025 11:37 GMT
#70
On August 20 2025 20:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 20:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On August 20 2025 20:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier.


Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO

Welcome to the internet where people post their opinion and takes... Maybe look around a bit before posting and learn things.



Thank you for welcoming me to the internet. I feel warmly welcomed. I will look around. And learn things. THANK YOU NECRO( PHASGIST) (
OPINIONS AND TAKES, BABY.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 11:38 GMT
#71
On August 20 2025 20:37 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 20:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On August 20 2025 20:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On August 20 2025 20:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier.


Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO

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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2767 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 11:39:41
August 20 2025 11:38 GMT
#72
Mini botched the breakout from the contain, should have either gone through the bridge (maybe he thought Soma had more over there) or pushed the dragoons up to the high ground instead of firing from low ground like that. But the breakout was only a possibility thanks to the damage from the DTs anyway.

I don't understand the thought process in making this map though. It is supposed to help P in PvZ right? With the structure before the natural. So why follow up with by that small triangle area where one side is two narrow bridges and the other side is a ramp? It's like saying to Protoss "ha, you can't totally have nice things".

But actually, those structures aren't a big issue in PvZ. It's in PvT that they give Terrans the easiest 3rd (and 4th and 5th) to take. Even easier than Vermeer, that currently the PvT win rate on Knockout is 42% which is quite rare.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13038 Posts
August 20 2025 11:47 GMT
#73
I'm out of the loop for tvz strategies but isnt the point of mech switch to counter heavy ling ultra defiler play? Why is every Zerg countering themselves?
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 11:52 GMT
#74
Queen fleet not ready in time
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 11:54 GMT
#75
saber got dumpstered
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 11:55 GMT
#76
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game?

If you have time (5)
 
71%

Yes (1)
 
14%

No (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game?

(Vote): Yes
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 11:56 GMT
#77
On August 20 2025 20:52 gravity wrote:
Queen fleet not ready in time

Guess that's the risk with that as a counter to mech. Crushing if pulled off, but meantime you have a bunch of resources sitting around doing nothing.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 11:58:27
August 20 2025 11:58 GMT
#78
Crazy Zerg not the best choice vs mech.

Interesting watching new guys like Saber vs seasoned pro like Ssak. Saber could keep up to a point but Ssak’s multi task was too much for Saber in the late game.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:15 GMT
#79
Mini tilting this one off would not be surprising
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 12:19 GMT
#80
Sloppy execution from Mini in that little attack
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:19 GMT
#81
No gas mining at third. Mini is screwed the longer this goes.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:20:06
August 20 2025 12:19 GMT
#82
Pretty good drops though
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4360 Posts
August 20 2025 12:23 GMT
#83
60 supply and 2 base advantage and the game still feels even

What a race Terran is
Sucker for nostalgia
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 12:24 GMT
#84
Huge minefield
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13038 Posts
August 20 2025 12:24 GMT
#85
Mini 00 upgrades vs 32 mech lol.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:28:04
August 20 2025 12:25 GMT
#86
On August 20 2025 21:23 DropBear wrote:
60 supply and 2 base advantage and the game still feels even

What a race Terran is

To be fair, Mini throwing a lot of shit away and no upgrades. But ye kinda crazy it was close.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9509 Posts
August 20 2025 12:25 GMT
#87
Mini trying to raw dog this with 0-0-0 upgrades vs 2-3 tank army. And it's working...
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:25 GMT
#88
Are Mini’s upgrades really just +1 weapons this late into the game?!
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
August 20 2025 12:26 GMT
#89
sSak getting to mine from that 4th could be disaster for Mini
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:29 GMT
#90
ssak losing control of his bases
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#91
mini losing bases left right and center
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#92
man mini is like the funniest player ever
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9509 Posts
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#93
When you're this good at harassing the opponent you really don't need upgrades huh
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:32:02
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#94
Andd never mind
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#95
Don't need upgrades if you never fight their army I guess
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13038 Posts
August 20 2025 12:31 GMT
#96
How can Mini be so good and so bad at the same time hah.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:32 GMT
#97
ssak on 1 base econ for now.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1059 Posts
August 20 2025 12:32 GMT
#98
sSak showed up today, happy with his performance anyway.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:34 GMT
#99
these clutch dmatrix are about the only thing keeping ssak from making wonderful mistakes
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:35 GMT
#100
mini just happy with 1/0/1
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 12:35 GMT
#101
mini still at 1/1 upgrades lmfao
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 12:36 GMT
#102
bubble gum terran - ssak

old school bubble gum terran - lomo

Remember ??
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:37:19
August 20 2025 12:36 GMT
#103
bro got double forges for 1/0/1 and that's it. Amazing.
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 12:36 GMT
#104
geegee
Yuru Yuri best anime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:37 GMT
#105
Poll: Recommend Final Game?

Yes (12)
 
75%

If you have time (3)
 
19%

No (1)
 
6%

16 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game?

(Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time

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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:37 GMT
#106
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
August 20 2025 12:38 GMT
#107
A bit sloppy from Mini but relentless and effective drops kept him on top.
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
72 Posts
August 20 2025 12:38 GMT
#108
No upgrade, no Reaver, no Arbiter, no Carrier, just win
His children must be proud of him on what he did on Twitch
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4360 Posts
August 20 2025 12:38 GMT
#109
Is it just me or are his fingernails really long

Isn't that a disadvantage?
Sucker for nostalgia
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:38 GMT
#110
I swear Mini would’ve won multiple ASLs if had even a competent level of attention to detail.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13038 Posts
August 20 2025 12:38 GMT
#111
On August 20 2025 21:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
bro got double forges for 1/0/1 and that's it. Amazing.


I mean with that horrible macro hovering over 4k minerals some point at least he should upgrade.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8177 Posts
August 20 2025 12:39 GMT
#112
predictable group!

well done mini - you crazy toss !!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:39 GMT
#113
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.


which soop are you using sooplive dot com or sooplive dot co dot kr(which is just the old afreeca api and the sidebar link)
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4360 Posts
August 20 2025 12:39 GMT
#114
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.

As a fellow Aussie, yes. Works fine using the TL sidebar link though
Sucker for nostalgia
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:40:00
August 20 2025 12:39 GMT
#115
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.

Works well for me, might depend on your ISP's routing to Korea?

edit: using sooplive.co.kr
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:41:09
August 20 2025 12:40 GMT
#116
if for whatever reason the sidebar link stream isn't good you can always try this https://www.sooplive.com/asl

I'll add it to the LR from next week's games.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
August 20 2025 12:42 GMT
#117
On August 20 2025 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.


which soop are you using sooplive dot com or sooplive dot co dot kr(which is just the old afreeca api and the sidebar link)

I’m using the lime green-ish version of the app (the OG blue version doesn’t want to work for me anymore)
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 12:54:54
August 20 2025 12:44 GMT
#118
MIIINNNIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
+ Show Spoiler +
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


The Mini soma game felt like a finals. Truly tense the whole time. Loved it all. I loved when he took a slow third and attacked uphill with goons. I MEAN YA KNOW????

Any last words for your western fans? ? ? ? Tell me you love me Mini. I'LL BE OK WITH IT.


On August 20 2025 21:38 DropBear wrote:
Is it just me or are his fingernails really long


It's just you.

BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
August 20 2025 12:44 GMT
#119
On August 20 2025 21:42 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream.


which soop are you using sooplive dot com or sooplive dot co dot kr(which is just the old afreeca api and the sidebar link)

I’m using the lime green-ish version of the app (the OG blue version doesn’t want to work for me anymore)


ah so the link from my previous post, yeah seems like a you issue then. the limegreen one works a whole lot better than the og korean one for non koreans and if thats failing you then I can't help you.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2767 Posts
August 20 2025 12:45 GMT
#120
Mini in post match interview, probably:

"I made a bet with a viewer that I will win a PvT in ASL with 0 0 0. That's why I went with the DT build but it didn't work. Then I tried and I tried to stay at 0 0 0 but then I realized sSak was at 3 3 so I had to go with 1 0 1. Lost the bet but otherwise I would look like a total idiot. I'll try it again next ASL. Thank you."
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6604 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-20 13:17:01
August 20 2025 13:15 GMT
#121
On August 20 2025 21:45 TMNT wrote:
Mini in post match interview, probably:

"I made a bet with a viewer that I will win a PvT in ASL with 0 0 0. That's why I went with the DT build but it didn't work. Then I tried and I tried to stay at 0 0 0 but then I realized sSak was at 3 3 so I had to go with 1 0 1. Lost the bet but otherwise I would look like a total idiot. I'll try it again next ASL. Thank you."

What happen if said viewer is betting an insane amount of money knowing that Mini is skippin upgrades and there is a big chance he is losing the game ? Isnt that almost like knowing inside info about progamers and using it for profit ? = illegal ? interesting shit.

Also this just made me question those retarded loses in the past by him playing so dumb are those past challenges for viewers ?
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey740 Posts
August 20 2025 13:18 GMT
#122
Classic Mini. Playing with chaos.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines242 Posts
August 20 2025 13:21 GMT
#123
See you all next week for Group D a.k.a. death
Yuru Yuri best anime
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands919 Posts
August 20 2025 14:27 GMT
#124
Mini is great at free form instinctual games. He is able to keep up with everything that happens and direct the flow of the game towarda a desired outcome. SoMa however also thrives on such game states. Ssak though, thrives in standard. Ssak is also his own worst enemy because he himself tries to steer the game away from standard, even though he thrives in standard.... Ssak is his own worst enemy.
JDON MY SOUL!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States348 Posts
August 20 2025 19:00 GMT
#125
Mini has to be trolling with the upgrades in the last match lmao, if he lost to ssak cuz of that it would have been so embarrassing.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2767 Posts
August 20 2025 19:44 GMT
#126
On August 20 2025 22:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2025 21:45 TMNT wrote:
Mini in post match interview, probably:

"I made a bet with a viewer that I will win a PvT in ASL with 0 0 0. That's why I went with the DT build but it didn't work. Then I tried and I tried to stay at 0 0 0 but then I realized sSak was at 3 3 so I had to go with 1 0 1. Lost the bet but otherwise I would look like a total idiot. I'll try it again next ASL. Thank you."

What happen if said viewer is betting an insane amount of money knowing that Mini is skippin upgrades and there is a big chance he is losing the game ? Isnt that almost like knowing inside info about progamers and using it for profit ? = illegal ? interesting shit.

Also this just made me question those retarded loses in the past by him playing so dumb are those past challenges for viewers ?

I was joking ofc they can't bring bets or challenges from their stream to an offline tournament lol. It's probably seen as matchfixing. Although hypothetically speaking, if someone is to matchfix at ASL, Mini would be a good candidate to do it because people would look at his decision making and just think "this guy is just being crazy as usual".
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic933 Posts
August 20 2025 21:34 GMT
#127
From Mini's looks he knew that was really suboptimal play and either Light / RoyaL / Rush / Sharp would have brought that to their victory.
never too old for starcraft :)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5044 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-21 17:41:27
August 20 2025 22:31 GMT
#128
Soma got insaneeeeee worth from that high ground and double bridge outside Mini's nat. What a garbage map. You're either all in or forced to play for securing your 3rd early in PvZ. Only other option is a ninja expo, which might work once.

I won't be too surprised if a Zerg has enough balls to place a hatchery there this ASL, that'd be hilarious.
FBH #1!
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
August 21 2025 02:54 GMT
#129
The ditch outside the natural was clearly designed to test out anti 3h hydra tech to help p in pvz, but with the way the rest of the exit is structured, with how narrow it is, it's just 2 high grounds in a row they have to fight over (or a high ground and a double bridge) to get out of a lurker contain. I've seen a couple pvzs on this map in proleague/kcm and am already getting worried that p are going to struggle there.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13034 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-21 04:32:25
August 21 2025 04:17 GMT
#130
On August 21 2025 11:54 NovaTheFeared wrote:
The ditch outside the natural was clearly designed to test out anti 3h hydra tech to help p in pvz, but with the way the rest of the exit is structured, with how narrow it is, it's just 2 high grounds in a row they have to fight over (or a high ground and a double bridge) to get out of a lurker contain. I've seen a couple pvzs on this map in proleague/kcm and am already getting worried that p are going to struggle there.

It might be a map where Ps experiment with cair/reaver/speed zeal openings a bit more. The tight spaces will be good for reavers and you can’t dodge a scarab like you can storm (that’s not to say Storm won’t be added later in the game).

I liked Mini’s double cair opening yesterday given Soma’s muta love in ZvP but the transition into zeal/HT was grim for mini. Soma easily dodged the two initial storms and stomped the remaining zeals. Two reavers instead of HTs would’ve been a lot more useful in that spot and it’d be much easier to secure that third exp and high ground.

He was on the back foot from then. Shows you how far ahead Soma was that he lost every drone in his main and still won relatively comfortably.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2767 Posts
August 21 2025 11:06 GMT
#131
On August 21 2025 11:54 NovaTheFeared wrote:
The ditch outside the natural was clearly designed to test out anti 3h hydra tech to help p in pvz, but with the way the rest of the exit is structured, with how narrow it is, it's just 2 high grounds in a row they have to fight over (or a high ground and a double bridge) to get out of a lurker contain. I've seen a couple pvzs on this map in proleague/kcm and am already getting worried that p are going to struggle there.

That ditch also allows T to Rax expand in TvP easily, and from the economic boost from that, plus how the area outside the natural is structured, allows T to place a CC on site at 9th minute (like what you saw from Stork vs Ample). PvT on this map is far worse than PvZ.

Turns out that all the good will from the design of that ditch (supposedly to help P from Hydra bust) is undone by the design of the exit, and fucks P even further in the other matchup. Not to mention in PvP we'll likely have stalemate games because no one is crazy enough to attack into that entrance.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1059 Posts
August 21 2025 11:47 GMT
#132
TMNT , how come are you crying about a starcraft map ? Never happened before, i'm kind of worried.
ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany391 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-22 10:58:36
August 22 2025 10:41 GMT
#133
Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable.
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway635 Posts
August 22 2025 11:12 GMT
#134
On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote:
Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable.


I love their commentary!
It's ok. I still love you <3
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-22 11:39:19
August 22 2025 11:38 GMT
#135
On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote:
Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable.


I super enjoy the Korean cast. You get the inflections and excitement and crowd noise and everything, but can focus on the game because you can't understand what they're saying. I don't feel like I'm missing anything that I need, even if I am missing things. It's honestly perfect.
I get why people rock the English cast, but I don't see any point xD
GOOD FOR NOOBS I GUESS LOL
ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany391 Posts
August 22 2025 11:50 GMT
#136
I just wish Tastosis would focus a bit more on the games at hand.
I really respect Artosis' knowledge about the history, strategies, current meta etc, but it feels like a) Tasteless drags him down and b) he's a bit full of himself and sets wrong priorities in his commentary (and he's an awful observer).
XUN is annoying as well, but at least he and Saiyan focus more on the action happening.
Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 22 2025 12:20 GMT
#137
Yeah I agree. I also like Artosis. I like Xun too. Tasteless is super rough these days. I think it was the group C one that was extra bad. Tasteless telling random long stories and bad jokes over Mini vs soma. Dude just can't stfu LOL
Ah man, I still only go at like 10% power when I shit on Tasteless. I really don't want to do it at all, but he's a big target these days.
pseudosignal
Profile Joined May 2025
28 Posts
August 22 2025 12:24 GMT
#138
I do Korea cast live then Tastosis on rewatch. I don't mind the banter at all if I've already seen the game, and always appreciate Artosis giving insights even if he isn't perfect. XUN doesn't really understand what he's watching it feels like, but unlike Tasteless he doesn't probe or ask questions where Tasteless does a good job at getting Artosis to flesh things out more.
RogueTheGOAT
Profile Joined July 2025
37 Posts
August 22 2025 13:26 GMT
#139
On August 22 2025 20:50 ahwala wrote:
I just wish Tastosis would focus a bit more on the games at hand.
I really respect Artosis' knowledge about the history, strategies, current meta etc, but it feels like a) Tasteless drags him down and b) he's a bit full of himself and sets wrong priorities in his commentary (and he's an awful observer).
XUN is annoying as well, but at least he and Saiyan focus more on the action happening.
Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes.

Tastosis have been yap casters for at least a decade. They can help carry mediocre games or if you're only an extremely casual fan, but if you want high level insight or actual commentary on the game, look elsewhere.
pseudosignal
Profile Joined May 2025
28 Posts
August 22 2025 13:48 GMT
#140
I miss Cadenzie
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands919 Posts
August 22 2025 14:50 GMT
#141
On August 22 2025 21:24 pseudosignal wrote:
I do Korea cast live then Tastosis on rewatch. I don't mind the banter at all if I've already seen the game, and always appreciate Artosis giving insights even if he isn't perfect. XUN doesn't really understand what he's watching it feels like, but unlike Tasteless he doesn't probe or ask questions where Tasteless does a good job at getting Artosis to flesh things out more.

Xun is sometimes a little to occupied building a hype narrative around the players and their performance and how prestigious ASL off stage is. Its too much hype building when that much hype is not warranted. But beside that he is pretty good.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5044 Posts
August 22 2025 14:56 GMT
#142
Yes, it's just a pain to listen to casters that don't understand the game well or either have difficulty with public speaking.

Let me tell you something: You're not missing out on anything if you don't watch an English cast.
In general the ASL observer is top notch and that's really all you need. Even if you don't understand Korean, the Korean casters will still let you know when something exciting is happening. And nothing beats watching live without having to be annoyed about whatever bullshit - be it a wrong read, fake hype, offtopic banter. etc. - the caster is saying.
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maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
256 Posts
August 22 2025 16:05 GMT
#143
On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote:
Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable.

Don't worry. There is an alternative, sctven where saiyan and xun are commentating! Much more enjoyable and high level english casts.
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada120 Posts
August 22 2025 21:29 GMT
#144
Another ASL, another season of sSak choking.

Being dead serious, sSak chokes harder than Shuttle and is literally an A rank player except for in TvT, where he's somehow literally the best TvT player in the world by far
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2921 Posts
August 23 2025 05:34 GMT
#145
On August 22 2025 20:50 ahwala wrote:
Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes.


gypsy is my favorite. gypsy93 on twitch. high level player and very funny.
zerglingkinger
Profile Joined August 2025
1 Post
August 24 2025 05:06 GMT
#146
On August 23 2025 14:34 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2025 20:50 ahwala wrote:
Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes.


gypsy is my favorite. gypsy93 on twitch. high level player and very funny.


same. gypsy and nyoken cast has been my favorite for the last five years.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44160 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-24 13:36:38
August 24 2025 13:32 GMT
#147
Mini went from that godly corsair micro vs mutas/scourge which looks insane into whatever tf was that final game lol

On August 22 2025 23:56 Peeano wrote:
Yes, it's just a pain to listen to casters that don't understand the game well or either have difficulty with public speaking.

Let me tell you something: You're not missing out on anything if you don't watch an English cast.
In general the ASL observer is top notch and that's really all you need. Even if you don't understand Korean, the Korean casters will still let you know when something exciting is happening. And nothing beats watching live without having to be annoyed about whatever bullshit - be it a wrong read, fake hype, offtopic banter. etc. - the caster is saying.


Maybe that's just you. This is like watching anime or a foreign film with their native language and no english subtitles. Like if you would rather watch koreans instead of english cast just watch it on mute like zero difference lol

I'd rather I understand wtf they are talking about cause there is no point listening to casters if you dont even understand it. Besides if they have the wrong take or not casting the game at all. Dont you just ignore them and move on lol

Like personally I dont mind listening to somebody outside the languages I know so long they have translation but without their translation it's pretty pointless like seriously watch on mute
this is a quote
pseudosignal
Profile Joined May 2025
28 Posts
August 24 2025 13:55 GMT
#148
... Game sound? Why mute that?

Also, how is it like an anime? It's a competitive match - not a character study.

And what about the energy of the casters? Counts for nothing?

Also - you say "just ignore the mistakes". Why is it important to understand something you're going to ignore?

Truly one of the more baffling takes. Most oldschool BW fans watched with Korean commentary during the KeSPA days and loved it.
RogueTheGOAT
Profile Joined July 2025
37 Posts
August 24 2025 14:36 GMT
#149
On August 24 2025 22:55 pseudosignal wrote:
Most oldschool BW fans watched with Korean commentary during the KeSPA days and loved it.

That's bullshit. Afreeca would have never paid Tastosis to cast ASL if it didn't improve English viewership and people wouldn't pay Tastosis $120,000+ a year to cast ASL if Korean casting was generally agreed to be good enough.

[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6604 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-24 16:20:40
August 24 2025 16:19 GMT
#150
On August 24 2025 22:32 goody153 wrote:
Mini went from that godly corsair micro vs mutas/scourge which looks insane into whatever tf was that final game lol

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2025 23:56 Peeano wrote:
Yes, it's just a pain to listen to casters that don't understand the game well or either have difficulty with public speaking.

Let me tell you something: You're not missing out on anything if you don't watch an English cast.
In general the ASL observer is top notch and that's really all you need. Even if you don't understand Korean, the Korean casters will still let you know when something exciting is happening. And nothing beats watching live without having to be annoyed about whatever bullshit - be it a wrong read, fake hype, offtopic banter. etc. - the caster is saying.


Maybe that's just you. This is like watching anime or a foreign film with their native language and no english subtitles. Like if you would rather watch koreans instead of english cast just watch it on mute like zero difference lol

I'd rather I understand wtf they are talking about cause there is no point listening to casters if you dont even understand it. Besides if they have the wrong take or not casting the game at all. Dont you just ignore them and move on lol

Like personally I dont mind listening to somebody outside the languages I know so long they have translation but without their translation it's pretty pointless like seriously watch on mute


When i first got into BW my english was 0%. So me and my friends from Spain will tune into the Korean stream. And for years and years i will just get used to that. CRushooo Playguuu will hit like crack. Surely we didnt understand shit but for me i will just enjoy it like music really lol. Later on my english got a bit better and i started listening to tasteless casting with the gom tv tourneys. But for proleagues and OSL /MSL it will be exclusively Korean casting. But that is proly a more personal case.
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