
[ASL20] Ro24 Group C
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BLinD-RawR
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
Thank you BLinD-RawR for all these threads !! ![]() | ||
Lazyer
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pseudosignal
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Mini > Saber soma > sSak Both soma and EffOrt are huge question marks for me but I’d expect soma to prevail given his track record and current hype from other pros. Plus, TvT is the go-to matchup for sSak to dish out upsets in, not TvZ. Mini > soma One of the strongest players in the tournament, way more recent ASL experience, and a build order genius playing a weird map pool. Mini should take this. sSak > Saber Saber’s first ASL. sSak should crush him. soma > sSak Exact same thinking as their first clash. Though I don’t think a soma elim/sSak advances scenario is completely out of the question. Mini and soma advance | ||
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Peeano
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Let's go Mini! | ||
prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 20 2025 16:30 Peeano wrote: I didn't realize it will be 3 days in a row. Glad I checked. Let's go Mini! Yes Peeano, 3 days! And next week, also 3 days ![]() | ||
prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
I think sSak is a bit overrated.. | ||
Simplistik
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On August 20 2025 17:02 prosatan wrote: LB on mini and soma. I think sSak is a bit overrated.. Seems very sensible to me. | ||
gravity
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RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
BEST group of the ro24 by FAR..I got 2 diapers on and brown pants over THAT. sSak doubters can bite a lemon and go to church. Would have liked to see him in a different group though, 3 people can't advance. Otherwise TY woulda got out yesterday and won the tournament. | ||
pseudosignal
28 Posts
I do enjoy sSak though - but mostly in TvT. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 20 2025 17:02 prosatan wrote: LB on mini and soma. I think sSak is a bit overrated.. extremely overrated, he ssuks | ||
prosatan
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 20 2025 18:40 gravity wrote: I wasn't paying close enough attention and missed the first two groups, hope this one is good. gravity you can find the games on youtube.. or, at least , some highlights... | ||
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Bulgaria487 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
mini is ahead i think | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
probably nerves too since it is his first time | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
come on soma ! | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
You can quote all the stats you want, sSak is a God. Also Mini's got huge RBF today. Don't think he can lose. | ||
Necro)Phagist(
Canada6657 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6657 Posts
On August 20 2025 19:41 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: well ssak lost two valks so lol Think we at 4-5 now lmfao. Bro needs to just build goliaths or something. | ||
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prosatan
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then ssak > saber and soma > ssak and we keep the LB happy ![]() | ||
Highgamer
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:12 Highgamer wrote: Lol, friggin stealth spec-ops zealot duo. haha , very sneaky indeed !! ![]() | ||
Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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gravity
Australia1869 Posts
Probably enough to win though? | ||
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gravity
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prosatan
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
as expected, soma made it | ||
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gravity
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On August 20 2025 20:20 gravity wrote: Despite all that Mini doesn't feel super far ahead Probably enough to win though? Or not. Did see the econ advantage kick in a couple of minutes after the drone slaughter but Mini lost too much (and took too long) breaking the contain. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:23 prosatan wrote: wth... mini is mined out ?! dude was too busy spamming corsairs that he forgot to expand to a third or at least the mineral only lol | ||
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SwordM13X24
United States191 Posts
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Necro)Phagist(
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
imagine saber beats ssak and then soma lose to a BO to saber !! it is better this way! mini can qualify without many problems imo | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 20 2025 20:23 prosatan wrote: wth... mini is mined out ?! ogreprotossgamer vs ogrezerggamer | ||
prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:25 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote: dude was too busy spamming corsairs that he forgot to expand to a third or at least the mineral only lol hahaha ![]() ![]() | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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On August 20 2025 20:25 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Amount of time spent attacking from the low ground with goons was just unacceptable man. Also needed a third wayyyy earlier. Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO | ||
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Australia13034 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13038 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:26 RowdierBob wrote: Mini so dumb. I mean he broke the bridge outside his main then inexplicably turns around to go fight Soma’s units from the low ground? Just awful decision making but that’s Mini I guess. Not that easy to skip the fight then soma would just go in front of his base and its even worse. Two decisions with shitty outcomes for him....just needed soma to fail with micro to have any chance. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6657 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:27 RogerChillingworth wrote: Bro thanks for the advice. See you in next ASL LMAO Welcome to the internet where people post their opinion and takes... Maybe look around a bit before posting and learn things. | ||
RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:29 SkelA wrote: Not that easy to skip the fight then soma would just go in front of his base and its even worse. Two decisions with shitty outcomes for him....just needed soma to fail with micro to have any chance. He could’ve wrapped and taken the fight on the high ground. Trying to bust a lurker contain from the low ground is death. | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Welcome to the internet where people post their opinion and takes... Maybe look around a bit before posting and learn things. Thank you for welcoming me to the internet. I feel warmly welcomed. I will look around. And learn things. THANK YOU NECRO( PHASGIST) ( OPINIONS AND TAKES, BABY. | ||
Necro)Phagist(
Canada6657 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:37 RogerChillingworth wrote: Thank you for welcoming me to the internet. I feel warmly welcomed. I will look around. And learn things. THANK YOU NECRO( PHASGIST) ( OPINIONS AND TAKES, BABY. Good boy now be quiet while the adults watch the games. | ||
TMNT
2767 Posts
I don't understand the thought process in making this map though. It is supposed to help P in PvZ right? With the structure before the natural. So why follow up with by that small triangle area where one side is two narrow bridges and the other side is a ramp? It's like saying to Protoss "ha, you can't totally have nice things". But actually, those structures aren't a big issue in PvZ. It's in PvT that they give Terrans the easiest 3rd (and 4th and 5th) to take. Even easier than Vermeer, that currently the PvT win rate on Knockout is 42% which is quite rare. | ||
SkelA
Macedonia13038 Posts
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gravity
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Toshinou-Kyouko
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BLinD-RawR
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gravity
Australia1869 Posts
On August 20 2025 20:52 gravity wrote: Queen fleet not ready in time Guess that's the risk with that as a counter to mech. Crushing if pulled off, but meantime you have a bunch of resources sitting around doing nothing. | ||
RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
Interesting watching new guys like Saber vs seasoned pro like Ssak. Saber could keep up to a point but Ssak’s multi task was too much for Saber in the late game. | ||
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gravity
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gravity
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DropBear
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What a race Terran is | ||
gravity
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SkelA
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6657 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:23 DropBear wrote: 60 supply and 2 base advantage and the game still feels even What a race Terran is To be fair, Mini throwing a lot of shit away and no upgrades. But ye kinda crazy it was close. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
old school bubble gum terran - lomo Remember ?? | ||
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RowdierBob
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gravity
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SCRVN
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DropBear
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Isn't that a disadvantage? | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13038 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:36 Necro)Phagist( wrote: bro got double forges for 1/0/1 and that's it. Amazing. I mean with that horrible macro hovering over 4k minerals some point at least he should upgrade. | ||
prosatan
Romania8177 Posts
well done mini - you crazy toss !! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote: Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream. which soop are you using sooplive dot com or sooplive dot co dot kr(which is just the old afreeca api and the sidebar link) | ||
DropBear
Australia4360 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote: Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream. As a fellow Aussie, yes. Works fine using the TL sidebar link though | ||
gravity
Australia1869 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:37 RowdierBob wrote: Is the Soop app dogshit for anyone else or just me? My stream will freeze every minute or so (audio continues). The ads of course always load fine whenever I re-open the stream. Works well for me, might depend on your ISP's routing to Korea? edit: using sooplive.co.kr | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
I'll add it to the LR from next week's games. | ||
RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:39 BLinD-RawR wrote: which soop are you using sooplive dot com or sooplive dot co dot kr(which is just the old afreeca api and the sidebar link) I’m using the lime green-ish version of the app (the OG blue version doesn’t want to work for me anymore) | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii The Mini soma game felt like a finals. Truly tense the whole time. Loved it all. I loved when he took a slow third and attacked uphill with goons. I MEAN YA KNOW???? Any last words for your western fans? ? ? ? Tell me you love me Mini. I'LL BE OK WITH IT. On August 20 2025 21:38 DropBear wrote: Is it just me or are his fingernails really long It's just you. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50218 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:42 RowdierBob wrote: I’m using the lime green-ish version of the app (the OG blue version doesn’t want to work for me anymore) ah so the link from my previous post, yeah seems like a you issue then. the limegreen one works a whole lot better than the og korean one for non koreans and if thats failing you then I can't help you. | ||
TMNT
2767 Posts
"I made a bet with a viewer that I will win a PvT in ASL with 0 0 0. That's why I went with the DT build but it didn't work. Then I tried and I tried to stay at 0 0 0 but then I realized sSak was at 3 3 so I had to go with 1 0 1. Lost the bet but otherwise I would look like a total idiot. I'll try it again next ASL. Thank you." | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6604 Posts
On August 20 2025 21:45 TMNT wrote: Mini in post match interview, probably: "I made a bet with a viewer that I will win a PvT in ASL with 0 0 0. That's why I went with the DT build but it didn't work. Then I tried and I tried to stay at 0 0 0 but then I realized sSak was at 3 3 so I had to go with 1 0 1. Lost the bet but otherwise I would look like a total idiot. I'll try it again next ASL. Thank you." What happen if said viewer is betting an insane amount of money knowing that Mini is skippin upgrades and there is a big chance he is losing the game ? Isnt that almost like knowing inside info about progamers and using it for profit ? = illegal ? interesting shit. Also this just made me question those retarded loses in the past by him playing so dumb are those past challenges for viewers ? | ||
HOLYBATS
Turkey740 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines242 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
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Lazyer
United States348 Posts
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TMNT
2767 Posts
On August 20 2025 22:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: What happen if said viewer is betting an insane amount of money knowing that Mini is skippin upgrades and there is a big chance he is losing the game ? Isnt that almost like knowing inside info about progamers and using it for profit ? = illegal ? interesting shit. Also this just made me question those retarded loses in the past by him playing so dumb are those past challenges for viewers ? I was joking ofc they can't bring bets or challenges from their stream to an offline tournament lol. It's probably seen as matchfixing. Although hypothetically speaking, if someone is to matchfix at ASL, Mini would be a good candidate to do it because people would look at his decision making and just think "this guy is just being crazy as usual". | ||
Destroyer
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
I won't be too surprised if a Zerg has enough balls to place a hatchery there this ASL, that'd be hilarious. | ||
NovaTheFeared
United States7224 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13034 Posts
On August 21 2025 11:54 NovaTheFeared wrote: The ditch outside the natural was clearly designed to test out anti 3h hydra tech to help p in pvz, but with the way the rest of the exit is structured, with how narrow it is, it's just 2 high grounds in a row they have to fight over (or a high ground and a double bridge) to get out of a lurker contain. I've seen a couple pvzs on this map in proleague/kcm and am already getting worried that p are going to struggle there. It might be a map where Ps experiment with cair/reaver/speed zeal openings a bit more. The tight spaces will be good for reavers and you can’t dodge a scarab like you can storm (that’s not to say Storm won’t be added later in the game). I liked Mini’s double cair opening yesterday given Soma’s muta love in ZvP but the transition into zeal/HT was grim for mini. Soma easily dodged the two initial storms and stomped the remaining zeals. Two reavers instead of HTs would’ve been a lot more useful in that spot and it’d be much easier to secure that third exp and high ground. He was on the back foot from then. Shows you how far ahead Soma was that he lost every drone in his main and still won relatively comfortably. | ||
TMNT
2767 Posts
On August 21 2025 11:54 NovaTheFeared wrote: The ditch outside the natural was clearly designed to test out anti 3h hydra tech to help p in pvz, but with the way the rest of the exit is structured, with how narrow it is, it's just 2 high grounds in a row they have to fight over (or a high ground and a double bridge) to get out of a lurker contain. I've seen a couple pvzs on this map in proleague/kcm and am already getting worried that p are going to struggle there. That ditch also allows T to Rax expand in TvP easily, and from the economic boost from that, plus how the area outside the natural is structured, allows T to place a CC on site at 9th minute (like what you saw from Stork vs Ample). PvT on this map is far worse than PvZ. Turns out that all the good will from the design of that ditch (supposedly to help P from Hydra bust) is undone by the design of the exit, and fucks P even further in the other matchup. Not to mention in PvP we'll likely have stalemate games because no one is crazy enough to attack into that entrance. | ||
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ahwala
Germany391 Posts
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway635 Posts
On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote: Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable. I love their commentary! | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote: Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable. I super enjoy the Korean cast. You get the inflections and excitement and crowd noise and everything, but can focus on the game because you can't understand what they're saying. I don't feel like I'm missing anything that I need, even if I am missing things. It's honestly perfect. I get why people rock the English cast, but I don't see any point xD GOOD FOR NOOBS I GUESS LOL | ||
ahwala
Germany391 Posts
I really respect Artosis' knowledge about the history, strategies, current meta etc, but it feels like a) Tasteless drags him down and b) he's a bit full of himself and sets wrong priorities in his commentary (and he's an awful observer). XUN is annoying as well, but at least he and Saiyan focus more on the action happening. Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes. ![]() | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
Ah man, I still only go at like 10% power when I shit on Tasteless. I really don't want to do it at all, but he's a big target these days. | ||
pseudosignal
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RogueTheGOAT
37 Posts
On August 22 2025 20:50 ahwala wrote: I just wish Tastosis would focus a bit more on the games at hand. I really respect Artosis' knowledge about the history, strategies, current meta etc, but it feels like a) Tasteless drags him down and b) he's a bit full of himself and sets wrong priorities in his commentary (and he's an awful observer). XUN is annoying as well, but at least he and Saiyan focus more on the action happening. Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes. ![]() Tastosis have been yap casters for at least a decade. They can help carry mediocre games or if you're only an extremely casual fan, but if you want high level insight or actual commentary on the game, look elsewhere. | ||
pseudosignal
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands919 Posts
On August 22 2025 21:24 pseudosignal wrote: I do Korea cast live then Tastosis on rewatch. I don't mind the banter at all if I've already seen the game, and always appreciate Artosis giving insights even if he isn't perfect. XUN doesn't really understand what he's watching it feels like, but unlike Tasteless he doesn't probe or ask questions where Tasteless does a good job at getting Artosis to flesh things out more. Xun is sometimes a little to occupied building a hype narrative around the players and their performance and how prestigious ASL off stage is. Its too much hype building when that much hype is not warranted. But beside that he is pretty good. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5044 Posts
Let me tell you something: You're not missing out on anything if you don't watch an English cast. In general the ASL observer is top notch and that's really all you need. Even if you don't understand Korean, the Korean casters will still let you know when something exciting is happening. And nothing beats watching live without having to be annoyed about whatever bullshit - be it a wrong read, fake hype, offtopic banter. etc. - the caster is saying. | ||
maybe
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On August 22 2025 19:41 ahwala wrote: Man, Tastosis' "commentary" is insufferable. Don't worry. There is an alternative, sctven where saiyan and xun are commentating! Much more enjoyable and high level english casts. | ||
ruhtraeel
Canada120 Posts
Being dead serious, sSak chokes harder than Shuttle and is literally an A rank player except for in TvT, where he's somehow literally the best TvT player in the world by far | ||
RogerChillingworth
2921 Posts
On August 22 2025 20:50 ahwala wrote: Might actually switch back to Korean commentary like you suggest, but I wish there would be some English commentary more to my tastes. ![]() gypsy is my favorite. gypsy93 on twitch. high level player and very funny. | ||
zerglingkinger
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On August 23 2025 14:34 RogerChillingworth wrote: gypsy is my favorite. gypsy93 on twitch. high level player and very funny. same. gypsy and nyoken cast has been my favorite for the last five years. | ||
goody153
44160 Posts
On August 22 2025 23:56 Peeano wrote: Yes, it's just a pain to listen to casters that don't understand the game well or either have difficulty with public speaking. Let me tell you something: You're not missing out on anything if you don't watch an English cast. In general the ASL observer is top notch and that's really all you need. Even if you don't understand Korean, the Korean casters will still let you know when something exciting is happening. And nothing beats watching live without having to be annoyed about whatever bullshit - be it a wrong read, fake hype, offtopic banter. etc. - the caster is saying. Maybe that's just you. This is like watching anime or a foreign film with their native language and no english subtitles. Like if you would rather watch koreans instead of english cast just watch it on mute like zero difference lol I'd rather I understand wtf they are talking about cause there is no point listening to casters if you dont even understand it. Besides if they have the wrong take or not casting the game at all. Dont you just ignore them and move on lol Like personally I dont mind listening to somebody outside the languages I know so long they have translation but without their translation it's pretty pointless like seriously watch on mute | ||
pseudosignal
28 Posts
Also, how is it like an anime? It's a competitive match - not a character study. And what about the energy of the casters? Counts for nothing? Also - you say "just ignore the mistakes". Why is it important to understand something you're going to ignore? Truly one of the more baffling takes. Most oldschool BW fans watched with Korean commentary during the KeSPA days and loved it. | ||
RogueTheGOAT
37 Posts
On August 24 2025 22:55 pseudosignal wrote: Most oldschool BW fans watched with Korean commentary during the KeSPA days and loved it. That's bullshit. Afreeca would have never paid Tastosis to cast ASL if it didn't improve English viewership and people wouldn't pay Tastosis $120,000+ a year to cast ASL if Korean casting was generally agreed to be good enough. | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6604 Posts
On August 24 2025 22:32 goody153 wrote: Mini went from that godly corsair micro vs mutas/scourge which looks insane into whatever tf was that final game lol Maybe that's just you. This is like watching anime or a foreign film with their native language and no english subtitles. Like if you would rather watch koreans instead of english cast just watch it on mute like zero difference lol I'd rather I understand wtf they are talking about cause there is no point listening to casters if you dont even understand it. Besides if they have the wrong take or not casting the game at all. Dont you just ignore them and move on lol Like personally I dont mind listening to somebody outside the languages I know so long they have translation but without their translation it's pretty pointless like seriously watch on mute When i first got into BW my english was 0%. So me and my friends from Spain will tune into the Korean stream. And for years and years i will just get used to that. CRushooo Playguuu will hit like crack. Surely we didnt understand shit but for me i will just enjoy it like music really lol. Later on my english got a bit better and i started listening to tasteless casting with the gom tv tourneys. But for proleagues and OSL /MSL it will be exclusively Korean casting. But that is proly a more personal case. | ||
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