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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3399 Posts
March 26 2025 18:46 GMT
#41
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
266 Posts
March 26 2025 20:06 GMT
#42
Yeah Xun is great. No offence to SayianSC but Xun+Nyoken would be a great casting combo I think.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5888 Posts
March 26 2025 20:26 GMT
#43
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1143 Posts
March 26 2025 20:52 GMT
#44
On March 27 2025 05:06 maybe wrote:
Yeah Xun is great. No offence to SayianSC but Xun+Nyoken would be a great casting combo I think.


I dont know, Saiyan is also quite good, thats my opinion. I think theyre good right now
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3399 Posts
March 26 2025 20:54 GMT
#45
On March 27 2025 05:26 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.

What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5888 Posts
March 26 2025 21:01 GMT
#46
On March 27 2025 05:54 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 05:26 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.

What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters.

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. ^^
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States402 Posts
March 26 2025 21:24 GMT
#47
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9830 Posts
March 26 2025 21:47 GMT
#48
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote:
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.


I think the siege tank itself, as in the name of the model, is named an Arclite siege tank. Not sure what the source is tbh (some stories from outside the games, I think?) but it's something I've seen around.
boomer hands
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22669 Posts
March 26 2025 22:27 GMT
#49
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 26 2025 23:07 GMT
#50
On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote:
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.


Thank you.

Who else remembers when they made ggs like Brood War.
Who else remembers.
It's like when you get served an expensive drink at a restaurant but it's like 70% ice and you're like ????!!!!!><. But with Brood War there's no ice. And the drink doesn't even have antifreeze in it. Just 30 years of a jacuzzi jetstream right into your ******.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States402 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-27 00:03:57
March 26 2025 23:58 GMT
#51
On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote:
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.


TIL! I used to read the in game weapon names (I think this starcraft.fandom.com has ones I remember). I guess I never read the same BG material.

Is the Arclite supposed to be the name of the attack or the model of the tank? I think that's a distinction I might have gotten confused by.


Also also I want to reiterate this is totally a minuscule thing that does not detract from my enjoyment of the casts at all. Thank you to all that are teaching me here.
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
March 27 2025 04:28 GMT
#52
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote:
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.

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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8715 Posts
March 27 2025 11:22 GMT
#53
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1467 Posts
March 27 2025 11:22 GMT
#54
any vod link with audio? only thing i could find is this here: https://www.sooplive.com/video/96858
mada mada dane
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8715 Posts
March 27 2025 11:25 GMT
#55
On March 27 2025 20:22 kAra wrote:
any vod link with audio? only thing i could find is this here: https://www.sooplive.com/video/96858


That one has audio. Use the PiP (picture in picture?) function to pop it into an extra window. There you can adjust the volume normally. At least that's how it works for me. All controls are disabled in the normal stream window for me, I can't even see the timeline... Alternatively, you can watch it on youtube:
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1467 Posts
March 27 2025 11:43 GMT
#56
thanks alot! this sooplive player is a bit confusing
mada mada dane
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3399 Posts
March 27 2025 11:50 GMT
#57
On March 27 2025 20:22 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.

Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call.

In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
March 27 2025 15:57 GMT
#58
Was Best a Zealot in a past/future life?
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 27 2025 16:23 GMT
#59
I'm certainly not qualified to tell pros what units they should make, it's true. I just think if you add up all the points, it's surprising Best doesn't remake the DA vs an aggressive hydra/muta zerg when he clearly likes and sees the utility of the unit. Calling him lazy for not making one is of course my opinion. I felt his play was generally a bit uninspired in that g1. So to me, it would follow that his not remaking a DA could also have been an error.

I'm also projecting what I want to see as a viewer. It'd be nice to see someone explore dark archons more and so far Best is at the forefront. I get the reasons not to make one, but I've been won over. On paper, it's busted. When executed, it also seems busted.

Am I talking out of my ass? Absolutely. I'm an idiot on the forums, what else would I do. Watching the games and complimenting the players is so passé. Criticizing things you don't know about is in like Flynn, baby.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-27 17:24:14
March 27 2025 17:23 GMT
#60
On March 27 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 20:22 Miragee wrote:
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.

Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call.

In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers.


12-18 minutes is super tempo oriented for both races. Zerg is losing their upperhand and protoss is gaining it during this time frame. It is more important to make HT + Goon and maintain movement for positional superiority than it is to make a DA. The players min-max in their attempt to keep the HT alive without having to build a DT. If they succeed it gets them a bigger payoff then making a DA would.
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