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BLinD-RawR
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felleN
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prosatan
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prosatan
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We need a recap of the previous season! | ||
RowdierBob
Australia12843 Posts
Keen to see if True goes for a hydra bust vs Best or tries going toe to toe with him. | ||
Giovanni8
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria478 Posts
You know i miss Scan commentating in English and translating what the players are saying before playing their group. I remember they used to say some snarky things to each other and it was very entertaining. + Show Spoiler + Our guy is now in ro16 so more important things to focus on! | ||
Necro)Phagist(
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There we go couple more finally. | ||
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Giovanni8
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TMNT
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On March 26 2025 19:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Best please.. Stop throwing Templars like that. What can he do though? It's not like he runs towards Zerg with the HTs leading the charge. Made a DA, caught 5 Mutas, but Zerg makes another 11 and then keeps doubling down on Muta strategy. They dive on DA, they dive on HT regardless of Dragoons. That's all it takes for Zerg to win. I feel like it's too late for another DA. The 3H Hydra build strikes again. The economic state of the two races, after one can put the other on a live or die situation, is just absurd. It's like Protoss going 1 base 3 gate goons against Terran, doesn't bust, then can still transition fine to a fair macro game. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12843 Posts
I think he’ll almost prefer to play Barracks in the final round if he makes it. | ||
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TMNT
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Losing a 150 mana Arbiter to Turrets for free lol. Probably was busy producing zealots from his 20 gates. | ||
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TMNT
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And Muta switch again too lol. Ah no this time he has lurkers. See now BTS you can't afford both after an attempted hydra bust. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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On March 26 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote: Is this kind of a new hydra build? Like 3.5 or 4 Hatch hydra transitioning to macro. Don't think I saw something like this before. And Muta switch again too lol. Ah no this time he has lurkers. See now BTS you can't afford both after an attempted hydra bust. The fact Zerg can do an all in, do no damage. Transition to macro and tech switches and have a legit chance at winning with it still, is fucking absurd. | ||
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands665 Posts
also average game quality has been good in all groups beside hyun vs rush and hyun vs rush. | ||
RowdierBob
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria478 Posts
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TMNT
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Lazyer
United States330 Posts
Best being upset by BTS was interesting - the constant muta dives were frustrating to watch Best fumble to. Barracks and Mind's game was full of action and as a Barracks fanboy I'm always excited to see Barracks pop off Winners was exciting but also kinda messed up how close it felt. How can a held off 7 pool be so potent in the transition? The burrowed lings were funny in how bad it went. I guess I'm glad it didn't end up like the 4 pool from yesterday. Losers went how I expected the match up to go, Mind just getting out maneuvered. The rematch was just Best tightening up his gameplay, but I'm excited to see more BTS in the future. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2799 Posts
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1. Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God. | ||
TMNT
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maybenexttime
Poland5474 Posts
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote: Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes. Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs. | ||
TornadoSteve
935 Posts
On March 27 2025 05:06 maybe wrote: Yeah Xun is great. No offence to SayianSC but Xun+Nyoken would be a great casting combo I think. I dont know, Saiyan is also quite good, thats my opinion. I think theyre good right now | ||
TMNT
2415 Posts
On March 27 2025 05:26 maybenexttime wrote: Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs. What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters. | ||
maybenexttime
Poland5474 Posts
On March 27 2025 05:54 TMNT wrote: What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters. Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. ^^ | ||
Lazyer
United States330 Posts
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seRapH
United States9715 Posts
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote: My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK. I think the siege tank itself, as in the name of the model, is named an Arclite siege tank. Not sure what the source is tbh (some stories from outside the games, I think?) but it's something I've seen around. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21432 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
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On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote: It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material. Thank you. Who else remembers when they made ggs like Brood War. Who else remembers. It's like when you get served an expensive drink at a restaurant but it's like 70% ice and you're like ????!!!!!><. But with Brood War there's no ice. And the drink doesn't even have antifreeze in it. Just 30 years of a jacuzzi jetstream right into your ******. | ||
Lazyer
United States330 Posts
On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote: It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material. TIL! I used to read the in game weapon names (I think this starcraft.fandom.com has ones I remember). I guess I never read the same BG material. Is the Arclite supposed to be the name of the attack or the model of the tank? I think that's a distinction I might have gotten confused by. Also also I want to reiterate this is totally a minuscule thing that does not detract from my enjoyment of the casts at all. Thank you to all that are teaching me here. | ||
b0lt
United States790 Posts
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote: My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK. ![]() ![]() | ||
Miragee
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On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote: Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins. In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1. Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God. I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha. | ||
kAra
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Miragee
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On March 27 2025 20:22 kAra wrote: any vod link with audio? only thing i could find is this here: https://www.sooplive.com/video/96858 That one has audio. Use the PiP (picture in picture?) function to pop it into an extra window. There you can adjust the volume normally. At least that's how it works for me. All controls are disabled in the normal stream window for me, I can't even see the timeline... Alternatively, you can watch it on youtube: | ||
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TMNT
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On March 27 2025 20:22 Miragee wrote: I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha. Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call. In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers. | ||
Nirli
Bulgaria355 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2799 Posts
I'm also projecting what I want to see as a viewer. It'd be nice to see someone explore dark archons more and so far Best is at the forefront. I get the reasons not to make one, but I've been won over. On paper, it's busted. When executed, it also seems busted. Am I talking out of my ass? Absolutely. I'm an idiot on the forums, what else would I do. Watching the games and complimenting the players is so passé. Criticizing things you don't know about is in like Flynn, baby. | ||
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands665 Posts
On March 27 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote: Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call. In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers. 12-18 minutes is super tempo oriented for both races. Zerg is losing their upperhand and protoss is gaining it during this time frame. It is more important to make HT + Goon and maintain movement for positional superiority than it is to make a DA. The players min-max in their attempt to keep the HT alive without having to build a DT. If they succeed it gets them a bigger payoff then making a DA would. | ||
Ideas
United States8068 Posts
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote: Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes. I love saiyan and xun, been watching their kcm casts for years. Beat xun drinking game: take a shot every time he uses the full name of a unit’s attack 😛 | ||
TMNT
2415 Posts
Watching pros' reaction video from jinjin it makes the thought process even more clear. Nobody, including Zerg players like Soulkey himself, expected BTS to keep Muta switching again and again but he did it anyway and it worked. Best probably thought "no way he makes another 11 Mutas after losing 11" so he didn't remake the DA and move out. Calm and Horang2 put it best "if you keep beating a dead horse it becomes an art" lmao. | ||
Ideas
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Miragee
8455 Posts
On March 29 2025 01:02 TMNT wrote: So apparently BTS has used that Hydra build in K League 10 times lol. I need to watch more K League. Watching pros' reaction video from jinjin it makes the thought process even more clear. Nobody, including Zerg players like Soulkey himself, expected BTS to keep Muta switching again and again but he did it anyway and it worked. Best probably thought "no way he makes another 11 Mutas after losing 11" so he didn't remake the DA and move out. Calm and Horang2 put it best "if you keep beating a dead horse it becomes an art" lmao. That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the input! | ||
Lazyer
United States330 Posts
thanks im living in an alternate timeline i guess | ||
seRapH
United States9715 Posts
Losers: Love the classic arbiter push. I wanna say it was lucky that the stasis actually landed since best kinda pushed through a few SVs but hey, he got the perfect stasis off, so all's well. Game seemed over from there. | ||
Sabu113
United States11037 Posts
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Gippy
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goody153
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Jijin even translated the pro reactions for it. Kinda funny they were dissing the heck out of BTS most of the game also for remaking the mutas over and over again till it worked lol | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24134 Posts
Ah man, ASL always delivers the entertainment, fine casting too, although hopefully they can feed in game sounds soon and get that working smoothly. Is Nyoken completely out of rotation this season? More than happy with the duo we’ve got so far but do enjoy that man’s work | ||
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