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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 05:13 GMT
#1

Afreeca Starleague Season 19


Wednesday, Mar 26 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


Afreeca Starleague Season 19


Casters & Hosts


Tasteless | Artosis | Nyoken | eonzerg


Streams


Korean Afreeca Stream
SCTVEN(Live English Commentary - SaiyanSC and Xun)

Matchups and Maps



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(P)Best              (Z)Alone
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(T)Mind              (T)BarrackS






Results


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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey771 Posts
March 26 2025 05:33 GMT
#2
Go Best!
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia78 Posts
March 26 2025 07:43 GMT
#3
Hoping for Best and Alone to make it through
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8615 Posts
March 26 2025 08:06 GMT
#4
God damn, the C group is today and i'll miss it .....
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8615 Posts
March 26 2025 08:44 GMT
#5
LB on Rax and Best , but i root for Mind with all my heart !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8615 Posts
March 26 2025 08:46 GMT
#6
Wait , wait ! A new season of LB had begun!

We need a recap of the previous season!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
March 26 2025 09:40 GMT
#7
Might be the toughest group in ro24.

Keen to see if True goes for a hydra bust vs Best or tries going toe to toe with him.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Giovanni8
Profile Joined March 2022
57 Posts
March 26 2025 09:40 GMT
#8
Best FTW!!!
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria491 Posts
March 26 2025 10:07 GMT
#9
Best all the way!

You know i miss Scan commentating in English and translating what the players are saying before playing their group. I remember they used to say some snarky things to each other and it was very entertaining. + Show Spoiler +
Our guy is now in ro16 so more important things to focus on!
music is the best thing in the world
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 10:24:15
March 26 2025 10:23 GMT
#10
Best not building cannons scaring me

There we go couple more finally.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 26 2025 10:32 GMT
#11
Best please.. Stop throwing Templars like that.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2041 Posts
March 26 2025 10:35 GMT
#12
Feels like another Dark Archon would have been handy.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 26 2025 10:36 GMT
#13
Best really choked hard here I feel.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 10:37 GMT
#14
Poll: Recommend BeSt vs BTS?

Yes (19)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend BeSt vs BTS?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Giovanni8
Profile Joined March 2022
57 Posts
March 26 2025 10:40 GMT
#15
When Z beat P Is never a surprise/upset.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 10:48:58
March 26 2025 10:44 GMT
#16
On March 26 2025 19:32 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Best please.. Stop throwing Templars like that.

What can he do though? It's not like he runs towards Zerg with the HTs leading the charge. Made a DA, caught 5 Mutas, but Zerg makes another 11 and then keeps doubling down on Muta strategy. They dive on DA, they dive on HT regardless of Dragoons. That's all it takes for Zerg to win. I feel like it's too late for another DA.

The 3H Hydra build strikes again. The economic state of the two races, after one can put the other on a live or die situation, is just absurd. It's like Protoss going 1 base 3 gate goons against Terran, doesn't bust, then can still transition fine to a fair macro game.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5360 Posts
March 26 2025 10:50 GMT
#17
This wouldn't really be ASL if there aren't upsets in ro24. I liquibetted BeSt because this group has 2 "weaker" Terrans, not because True is in this group lmao
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
March 26 2025 10:54 GMT
#18
I blame this on RJBTV putting Best on S tier lol.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5360 Posts
March 26 2025 11:05 GMT
#19
Mind's approach to TvT and TvP always makes me think of a retiree playing Flight Simulator
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 11:07 GMT
#20
Poll: Recommend Mind vs BarrackS?

If you have time (7)
 
54%

Yes (4)
 
31%

No (2)
 
15%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Mind vs BarrackS?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
March 26 2025 11:11 GMT
#21
Best is no guarantee vs Mind. Mind has always been strong in the matchup.

I think he’ll almost prefer to play Barracks in the final round if he makes it.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5360 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 11:21:07
March 26 2025 11:20 GMT
#22
BeSt would lose rather than Mind winning tho.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5360 Posts
March 26 2025 11:23 GMT
#23
Dat unburrow? What was that? lol
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 11:34 GMT
#24
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game?

Yes (14)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 12:05:01
March 26 2025 12:02 GMT
#25
When Best has 3 corners of the map probably no Terran can beat him.

Losing a 150 mana Arbiter to Turrets for free lol. Probably was busy producing zealots from his 20 gates.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 12:06 GMT
#26
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game?

Yes (7)
 
64%

If you have time (4)
 
36%

No (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey771 Posts
March 26 2025 12:09 GMT
#27
Rematch Best vs BTS
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 12:28:17
March 26 2025 12:23 GMT
#28
Is this kind of a new hydra build? Like 3.5 or 4 Hatch hydra transitioning to macro. Don't think I saw something like this before.

And Muta switch again too lol.

Ah no this time he has lurkers.

See now BTS you can't afford both after an attempted hydra bust.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
March 26 2025 12:28 GMT
#29
Besttttttttttt!!!!!
Oppa feeding style
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2041 Posts
March 26 2025 12:28 GMT
#30
Best almost got caught with his pants down without obs when BTS went lurker this time but he held on and got enough good storms.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50754 Posts
March 26 2025 12:29 GMT
#31
Poll: Recommend Final Game?

Yes (12)
 
92%

If you have time (1)
 
8%

No (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey771 Posts
March 26 2025 12:31 GMT
#32
Even Best can not choke back 2 back games. If BTS lost first one he had a chance this time.Anyway congrats Barracks & Best.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 26 2025 12:42 GMT
#33
On March 26 2025 21:23 TMNT wrote:
Is this kind of a new hydra build? Like 3.5 or 4 Hatch hydra transitioning to macro. Don't think I saw something like this before.

And Muta switch again too lol.

Ah no this time he has lurkers.

See now BTS you can't afford both after an attempted hydra bust.

The fact Zerg can do an all in, do no damage. Transition to macro and tech switches and have a legit chance at winning with it still, is fucking absurd.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-26 12:45:00
March 26 2025 12:42 GMT
#34
Cant spell Best without BTS, cant spell Barracks with Bs. Mind is the odd one out and was doomed from the start as he shares no letters with the others. Honestly if BTS hadnt beaten best the group results could have been slightly different in how we got to the end result. Best would beat Barracks in winner, but Barracks would beat both either mind or bts. bts would not beat mind.


also average game quality has been good in all groups beside hyun vs rush and hyun vs rush.
JDON MY SOUL!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
March 26 2025 12:50 GMT
#35
Bit shaky from Best as is the tradition. But he looked solid in the last game.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria491 Posts
March 26 2025 12:59 GMT
#36
So happy for Best! He made the right adjustment in the second pvz by harassing with the speed zealots.
music is the best thing in the world
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
March 26 2025 13:04 GMT
#37
I wonder what would happen in the last game if BTS went heavy Mutas again lol. The two games between them were basically the same game with a deviation at that point. Plus the Zealot harassment from Best too but maybe it was the map that allows that.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States369 Posts
March 26 2025 17:05 GMT
#38
I feel like all the games were fun today. I really wanted to see Best vs Barracks but I think it was a good show nonetheless.

Best being upset by BTS was interesting - the constant muta dives were frustrating to watch Best fumble to.

Barracks and Mind's game was full of action and as a Barracks fanboy I'm always excited to see Barracks pop off

Winners was exciting but also kinda messed up how close it felt. How can a held off 7 pool be so potent in the transition? The burrowed lings were funny in how bad it went. I guess I'm glad it didn't end up like the 4 pool from yesterday.

Losers went how I expected the match up to go, Mind just getting out maneuvered.

The rematch was just Best tightening up his gameplay, but I'm excited to see more BTS in the future.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5783 Posts
March 26 2025 17:17 GMT
#39
Just a tip for people struggling with the lack of sound on the stream. Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 26 2025 18:14 GMT
#40
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
March 26 2025 18:46 GMT
#41
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
258 Posts
March 26 2025 20:06 GMT
#42
Yeah Xun is great. No offence to SayianSC but Xun+Nyoken would be a great casting combo I think.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5783 Posts
March 26 2025 20:26 GMT
#43
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1112 Posts
March 26 2025 20:52 GMT
#44
On March 27 2025 05:06 maybe wrote:
Yeah Xun is great. No offence to SayianSC but Xun+Nyoken would be a great casting combo I think.


I dont know, Saiyan is also quite good, thats my opinion. I think theyre good right now
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
March 26 2025 20:54 GMT
#45
On March 27 2025 05:26 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.

What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5783 Posts
March 26 2025 21:01 GMT
#46
On March 27 2025 05:54 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 05:26 maybenexttime wrote:
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.

Try right-clicking the stream and then press "Show all controls". That should allow you to turn the sound on. At least it works for the VODs.

What? That's not what I meant. They dont have the ingame sound because of their feed. Not that I can't hear the casters.

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood. ^^
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States369 Posts
March 26 2025 21:24 GMT
#47
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9802 Posts
March 26 2025 21:47 GMT
#48
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote:
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.


I think the siege tank itself, as in the name of the model, is named an Arclite siege tank. Not sure what the source is tbh (some stories from outside the games, I think?) but it's something I've seen around.
boomer hands
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22211 Posts
March 26 2025 22:27 GMT
#49
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 26 2025 23:07 GMT
#50
On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote:
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.


Thank you.

Who else remembers when they made ggs like Brood War.
Who else remembers.
It's like when you get served an expensive drink at a restaurant but it's like 70% ice and you're like ????!!!!!><. But with Brood War there's no ice. And the drink doesn't even have antifreeze in it. Just 30 years of a jacuzzi jetstream right into your ******.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States369 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-27 00:03:57
March 26 2025 23:58 GMT
#51
On March 27 2025 07:27 Gorsameth wrote:
It is indeed called the AAV-5 Arclite Siege Tank in background material.


TIL! I used to read the in game weapon names (I think this starcraft.fandom.com has ones I remember). I guess I never read the same BG material.

Is the Arclite supposed to be the name of the attack or the model of the tank? I think that's a distinction I might have gotten confused by.


Also also I want to reiterate this is totally a minuscule thing that does not detract from my enjoyment of the casts at all. Thank you to all that are teaching me here.
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
March 27 2025 04:28 GMT
#52
On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote:
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.

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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
March 27 2025 11:22 GMT
#53
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1407 Posts
March 27 2025 11:22 GMT
#54
any vod link with audio? only thing i could find is this here: https://www.sooplive.com/video/96858
mada mada dane
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
March 27 2025 11:25 GMT
#55
On March 27 2025 20:22 kAra wrote:
any vod link with audio? only thing i could find is this here: https://www.sooplive.com/video/96858


That one has audio. Use the PiP (picture in picture?) function to pop it into an extra window. There you can adjust the volume normally. At least that's how it works for me. All controls are disabled in the normal stream window for me, I can't even see the timeline... Alternatively, you can watch it on youtube:
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1407 Posts
March 27 2025 11:43 GMT
#56
thanks alot! this sooplive player is a bit confusing
mada mada dane
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
March 27 2025 11:50 GMT
#57
On March 27 2025 20:22 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.

Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call.

In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria381 Posts
March 27 2025 15:57 GMT
#58
Was Best a Zealot in a past/future life?
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
March 27 2025 16:23 GMT
#59
I'm certainly not qualified to tell pros what units they should make, it's true. I just think if you add up all the points, it's surprising Best doesn't remake the DA vs an aggressive hydra/muta zerg when he clearly likes and sees the utility of the unit. Calling him lazy for not making one is of course my opinion. I felt his play was generally a bit uninspired in that g1. So to me, it would follow that his not remaking a DA could also have been an error.

I'm also projecting what I want to see as a viewer. It'd be nice to see someone explore dark archons more and so far Best is at the forefront. I get the reasons not to make one, but I've been won over. On paper, it's busted. When executed, it also seems busted.

Am I talking out of my ass? Absolutely. I'm an idiot on the forums, what else would I do. Watching the games and complimenting the players is so passé. Criticizing things you don't know about is in like Flynn, baby.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1206 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-27 17:24:14
March 27 2025 17:23 GMT
#60
On March 27 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote:
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On March 27 2025 20:22 Miragee wrote:
On March 27 2025 03:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Pretty lazy by Best not to remake the dark archon in g1. It's like he was half asleep. Get this man his B vitamins.
In the final match he apparently threw some cold water on his face or something because he ripped True's arms off and did a little drum solo, but man, you really can't afford to underestimate anyone in the ro24 these days, especially in a bo1.

Meanwhile, Barracks doing Baraka fatalities on everyone without breaking a sweat. This dude is on a mission from God.


I don't think it's laziness but their mindset/game plan. Nobody has ever remade a Dark Archon in 25 years of pro BW. That kind of habit sits deep, haha.

Sometimes viewers look at the game in hindsight and question the players why you not do this and that, are you stupid etc. But to me there is no way the average B/C rank players can think of something but progamers can't. They think about it but decide it is probably not worth it, but they don't have the benefits of hindsight like us to make the correct call.

In this case, Best's DA got sniped at 12:50. To make 2 DTs and merge into an Archon and wait for 100 mana, it takes 95s, which means his next Archon would have been on the field around 14:30 in the game, and that's assuming he cancelled something in the Gateways to make the DTs immediately. By that time the next battles already happened and a total of 6 HTs were already sniped. Damage was already done. And on top of that the Protoss can't know if Zerg would keep doubling down on Mutas or not, or he would go full Hydraman or Lurkers (normally it is the latter case), so he has to choose between spending gas for an Archon that you can only use 95s later, or having more storms 35s later to deal with Hydra/Lurkers.


12-18 minutes is super tempo oriented for both races. Zerg is losing their upperhand and protoss is gaining it during this time frame. It is more important to make HT + Goon and maintain movement for positional superiority than it is to make a DA. The players min-max in their attempt to keep the HT alive without having to build a DT. If they succeed it gets them a bigger payoff then making a DA would.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
March 28 2025 00:36 GMT
#61
On March 27 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Didn't watch SCTV cast live because of the game sound problem but gotta say Xun is a great caster, imho only behind Nyoken in the foreign scene. He's got the game knowledge, probably as deep as anyone in the scene bar Nyoken (once again, sorry Xun but Nyoken is the goat BW caster). And at the same time he's also a great play by play commentator. The way he ups his tempo when there are actions on the map is quite satisfying. And he's also got his own style of talking and making jokes.


I love saiyan and xun, been watching their kcm casts for years.

Beat xun drinking game: take a shot every time he uses the full name of a unit’s attack 😛
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3135 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-28 16:22:00
March 28 2025 16:02 GMT
#62
So apparently BTS has used that Hydra build in K League 10 times lol. I need to watch more K League.

Watching pros' reaction video from jinjin it makes the thought process even more clear. Nobody, including Zerg players like Soulkey himself, expected BTS to keep Muta switching again and again but he did it anyway and it worked. Best probably thought "no way he makes another 11 Mutas after losing 11" so he didn't remake the DA and move out.

Calm and Horang2 put it best "if you keep beating a dead horse it becomes an art" lmao.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
March 28 2025 16:12 GMT
#63
I really wish they kept minstrel for another season instead of replacing it with eclipse
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8657 Posts
March 28 2025 16:37 GMT
#64
On March 29 2025 01:02 TMNT wrote:
So apparently BTS has used that Hydra build in K League 10 times lol. I need to watch more K League.

Watching pros' reaction video from jinjin it makes the thought process even more clear. Nobody, including Zerg players like Soulkey himself, expected BTS to keep Muta switching again and again but he did it anyway and it worked. Best probably thought "no way he makes another 11 Mutas after losing 11" so he didn't remake the DA and move out.

Calm and Horang2 put it best "if you keep beating a dead horse it becomes an art" lmao.


That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the input!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States369 Posts
March 28 2025 17:01 GMT
#65
On March 27 2025 13:28 b0lt wrote:
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On March 27 2025 06:24 Lazyer wrote:
My one nit for Xun (his overall casting is fine for me) is that he is calling the Seige Tank weapon an "arclight"? cannon - I think most of his other weapon names are on the money and it's fun to hear that color (particle beams, hellfire missiles, phase disruptors), but I am not sure where the Tank's weapon name is coming from. Neither the seige nor the unseiged versions are called that AFAIK.

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thanks im living in an alternate timeline i guess
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9802 Posts
March 28 2025 22:43 GMT
#66
Set 1: Dang, BTS catching catching the DA at 80 energy was kinda crazy. Best was watching that part of the map too and I guess he didn't realize the DA didn't have enough for maelstrom cuz it kinda just danced around for a bit before dying. What a tight timing.

Losers: Love the classic arbiter push. I wanna say it was lucky that the stasis actually landed since best kinda pushed through a few SVs but hey, he got the perfect stasis off, so all's well. Game seemed over from there.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11077 Posts
March 29 2025 00:45 GMT
#67
Man after ha,e 1 I was already at my I’m over best hype stage but then he just turned it on. Beautiful arbiters especially after some dire arbiter play by shuttle.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Gippy
Profile Joined March 2024
12 Posts
March 29 2025 15:33 GMT
#68
Mind has a brilliant mind (pun intended) and he's one of the smartest players when it comes to opening theory. He's the one who came up with Motive's cheese last ASL, but Motive screwed it up. And he had great openings here. But he can never catch a break. He had winning positions in both his games and fumbled the endgame. Sad to see him go early again.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44255 Posts
March 31 2025 04:52 GMT
#69
BTS vs Best game 1 was some of the most fun games i've watched ngl.

Jijin even translated the pro reactions for it. Kinda funny they were dissing the heck out of BTS most of the game also for remaking the mutas over and over again till it worked lol
this is a quote
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26541 Posts
March 31 2025 09:29 GMT
#70
Who is BTS? I don’t follow as closely as some, but usually I’ve at least heard of a player! Did they go under another nick or something?

Ah man, ASL always delivers the entertainment, fine casting too, although hopefully they can feed in game sounds soon and get that working smoothly.

Is Nyoken completely out of rotation this season? More than happy with the duo we’ve got so far but do enjoy that man’s work
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9802 Posts
March 31 2025 13:15 GMT
#71
BTS also went by True.
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