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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
April 02 2024 06:59 GMT
#1

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(Z)hero              (T)Rush






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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4170 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 07:54:20
April 02 2024 07:53 GMT
#2
Just hope for some great games.

Five of them, preferably.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands792 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 08:53:30
April 02 2024 08:53 GMT
#3
hmmm. i predict this will either be Rush-Hero 3-1, 3-2, 3-0, or 2-3, 1-3 or 0-3..... mark my words
JDON MY SOUL!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7907 Posts
April 02 2024 09:13 GMT
#4
On April 02 2024 17:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
hmmm. i predict this will either be Rush-Hero 3-1, 3-2, 3-0, or 2-3, 1-3 or 0-3..... mark my words



i'll go with Rush 3-1
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4974 Posts
April 02 2024 10:09 GMT
#5
3-2 or 3-1 either way woud be great.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2629 Posts
April 02 2024 10:23 GMT
#6
Dont know exact score but Rush will advance, just like he always does against Zergs. Even last season he threw away the series vs Soulkey.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
April 02 2024 10:56 GMT
#7
What a crazy multitasking game.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands792 Posts
April 02 2024 11:20 GMT
#8
I told you it would go this way! I hope you marked my words!
JDON MY SOUL!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
April 02 2024 11:23 GMT
#9
Poll: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 1?

Yes (8)
 
57%

If you have time (5)
 
36%

No (1)
 
7%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 2?

Yes (17)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 3?

Yes (10)
 
91%

If you have time (1)
 
9%

No (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 11:25:42
April 02 2024 11:25 GMT
#10
About the last engagement on the bridges of dark origin, it wasn't just the mutas turning around and attacking from behind but the lurkers were in textbook position to butcher the whole army

High quality games so far!
The heart's eternal vow
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey726 Posts
April 02 2024 11:25 GMT
#11
herO will save us from tvt.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands792 Posts
April 02 2024 11:41 GMT
#12
ASL17FinalistHerO?
JDON MY SOUL!
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1147 Posts
April 02 2024 11:47 GMT
#13
thankfully rush doesn't like tvt either
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4170 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 11:48:19
April 02 2024 11:48 GMT
#14
shame that it didn't go full distance, cause the games were pretty good today

Well played
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
April 02 2024 11:48 GMT
#15
Wait up... actually premature GG from Rush?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
April 02 2024 11:48 GMT
#16
Poll: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 4?

Yes (22)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

22 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 4?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Poll: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 5?

Yes (10)
 
67%

If you have time (4)
 
27%

No (1)
 
7%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Rush Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 02 2024 11:48 GMT
#17
Confused why did Rush GG? Zerg had no mining left?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4170 Posts
April 02 2024 11:49 GMT
#18
On April 02 2024 20:48 foxmeep wrote:
Wait up... actually premature GG from Rush?

tough call.. it was an insanely close one.

he could have tried for a bit longer maybe, especially when considering that his opponent was on match point..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
April 02 2024 11:50 GMT
#19
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
April 02 2024 11:50 GMT
#20
Yeah, I think he still had a decent chance. Maybe he was mentally crushed
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 02 2024 11:51 GMT
#21
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.


Yea thought he was mined out there as well. Felt like Rush still had a chance tho.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
April 02 2024 11:52 GMT
#22
All games were good but actually it is the maps this season that create all these wild mid-, late-games
The heart's eternal vow
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1147 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 11:54:00
April 02 2024 11:53 GMT
#23
On April 02 2024 20:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.


Yea thought he was mined out there as well. Felt like Rush still had a chance tho.


think you can literally count with your hand how many scvs rush has left by the end
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
April 02 2024 11:54 GMT
#24
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.

Will need to re-check later, but given the time I believe Hero was close to mining out in both main and nat
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
April 02 2024 11:54 GMT
#25
On April 02 2024 20:53 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 20:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.


Yea thought he was mined out there as well. Felt like Rush still had a chance tho.


think you can literally count with your hand how many scvs rush has left by the end


27 drones to 10 scvs on the replay. That's GG.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
April 02 2024 11:55 GMT
#26
On April 02 2024 20:53 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 20:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.


Yea thought he was mined out there as well. Felt like Rush still had a chance tho.


think you can literally count with your hand how many scvs rush has left by the end

Think it was 10 to 26 drones but he had CC's at bases that could mine and a higher army count with easier to replace units and lots of sci vessels. He's the pro not me obvi just felt like that one was worth playing out longer for him is all.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4170 Posts
April 02 2024 12:14 GMT
#27
On April 02 2024 20:54 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 20:53 ggsimida wrote:
On April 02 2024 20:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On April 02 2024 20:50 foxmeep wrote:
Nvm Hero was still mining main and nat.


Yea thought he was mined out there as well. Felt like Rush still had a chance tho.


think you can literally count with your hand how many scvs rush has left by the end


27 drones to 10 scvs on the replay. That's GG.

Didn't catch that.. definitely not a premature "gg" timing then.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2629 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-02 12:31:07
April 02 2024 12:29 GMT
#28
On April 02 2024 19:23 TMNT wrote:
Dont know exact score but Rush will advance, just like he always does against Zergs. Even last season he threw away the series vs Soulkey.

Damn. Hero's online form never matches his ASL performance it seems.

But this means we can get a ZvZ finals. Hero may have the biggest chance ever to win an ASL.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4974 Posts
April 02 2024 12:30 GMT
#29
I missed all but the first game. I'll def rewatch these later this week. I feel like it doesn't matter who I LB anymore if it's ASL.

Now I'm hoping for hero vs Mini or Sharp vs Snow finals.
Bisu vs Soulkey wouldn't be a terrible semifinals, as long as that doesn't result into a ZvZ final.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4974 Posts
April 02 2024 12:35 GMT
#30
Rush and Best forever goldless
FBH #1!
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4115 Posts
April 02 2024 12:45 GMT
#31
The smell of ZvZ final is in the air xDD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3351 Posts
April 02 2024 12:55 GMT
#32
that was a wild series, I m 0/2 on LB though but at least I was entertained
Horang2 fan
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4115 Posts
April 02 2024 13:10 GMT
#33
On April 02 2024 21:55 WGT-Baal wrote:
that was a wild series, I m 0/2 on LB though but at least I was entertained

yeah the games were pretty good
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7907 Posts
April 02 2024 13:40 GMT
#34
On April 02 2024 21:55 WGT-Baal wrote:
that was a wild series, I m 0/2 on LB though but at least I was entertained

0/2 for me too
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
April 02 2024 13:42 GMT
#35
Very nice series, last game while i was watching and Rush typed GG first thought was omg why did he leave he has a chance, but on the replay we see Hero with 2 new bases and 26 drones vs 10 scv.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4170 Posts
April 02 2024 14:06 GMT
#36
On April 02 2024 21:45 M2 wrote:
The smell of ZvZ final is in the air xDD

Fuck sake.. You're right -.-

Please, no..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands792 Posts
April 02 2024 16:20 GMT
#37
I am taking Sharp over Hero in Ro4. Sharp seems to struggle a little bit less with the zerg ultra carapace powerspike than Rush does. Rush has a very balls to the wall style trying to end it before the carapace grades.
JDON MY SOUL!
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2897 Posts
April 02 2024 20:03 GMT
#38
What games! Wowowow! This series didn't disappoint.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2829 Posts
April 02 2024 20:23 GMT
#39
My liquibets crying the saltiest little tears WTF

aka wilted_kale
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 02 2024 23:21 GMT
#40
On April 02 2024 21:29 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 19:23 TMNT wrote:
Dont know exact score but Rush will advance, just like he always does against Zergs. Even last season he threw away the series vs Soulkey.

Damn. Hero's online form never matches his ASL performance it seems.

But this means we can get a ZvZ finals. Hero may have the biggest chance ever to win an ASL.


Hero's online form is pretty solid these days. He has his days where he's extremely good and very mediocre.
Life is just life
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States341 Posts
April 02 2024 23:22 GMT
#41
RIP my LB
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1147 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-03 00:15:22
April 03 2024 00:13 GMT
#42
im pretty sure hero has the most asl ro4 appearance out of any player, a bit unwise to bet against him generally
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
April 03 2024 01:57 GMT
#43
On April 02 2024 23:06 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 21:45 M2 wrote:
The smell of ZvZ final is in the air xDD

Fuck sake.. You're right -.-

Please, no..


If Hero rips the Terran bracket apart & SK trashes the Protoss half... let them duke it out!
One of the few times I would love to see it as a final!
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7907 Posts
April 03 2024 05:43 GMT
#44
On April 03 2024 09:13 ggsimida wrote:
im pretty sure hero has the most asl ro4 appearance out of any player, a bit unwise to bet against him generally

Agree 100% ! Very consistent player indeed !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
April 03 2024 12:47 GMT
#45
Very impressive play by hero. I think he had the BO disadvantage every game? And he handled that 8rax in the last game beautifully.

After game 1 I thought this might be another 3-0 for Rush like last season, but he made a lot of weird mistakes in game 2 (over-stimming, killing own marine, double science science facility). Something really threw him off his tempo that game.
Free Palestine
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
April 03 2024 14:09 GMT
#46
Rush's drops were very exciting and well targeted. GGs!
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria364 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-03 14:56:57
April 03 2024 14:42 GMT
#47
Game 2 is the reason why Zerg is the strongest race.
Tesagi moaners begone.
Also, any Terran not banning Dark Origin just wants an autoloss.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 03 2024 16:13 GMT
#48
On April 03 2024 23:42 Nirli wrote:
Game 2 is the reason why Zerg is the strongest race.
Tesagi moaners begone.
Also, any Terran not banning Dark Origin just wants an autoloss.


Strongest race in tourney but not online plays. Zerg is the lowest performer since 2022 across 5000+ game sample sizes. I hate when ignorant foreginers just look at ASL results.
Life is just life
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
249 Posts
April 03 2024 16:51 GMT
#49
On April 03 2024 10:57 Smorrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 23:06 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On April 02 2024 21:45 M2 wrote:
The smell of ZvZ final is in the air xDD

Fuck sake.. You're right -.-

Please, no..


If Hero rips the Terran bracket apart & SK trashes the Protoss half... let them duke it out!
One of the few times I would love to see it as a final!

I agree, wouldn't mind hero vs SK finals THAT much.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria364 Posts
April 03 2024 18:05 GMT
#50
On April 04 2024 01:13 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2024 23:42 Nirli wrote:
Game 2 is the reason why Zerg is the strongest race.
Tesagi moaners begone.
Also, any Terran not banning Dark Origin just wants an autoloss.


Strongest race in tourney but not online plays. Zerg is the lowest performer since 2022 across 5000+ game sample sizes. I hate when ignorant foreginers just look at ASL results.

Who's talking about ASL bro? I'm talking in history.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
April 03 2024 19:41 GMT
#51
On April 04 2024 03:05 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 01:13 Shinokuki wrote:
On April 03 2024 23:42 Nirli wrote:
Game 2 is the reason why Zerg is the strongest race.
Tesagi moaners begone.
Also, any Terran not banning Dark Origin just wants an autoloss.


Strongest race in tourney but not online plays. Zerg is the lowest performer since 2022 across 5000+ game sample sizes. I hate when ignorant foreginers just look at ASL results.

Who's talking about ASL bro? I'm talking in history.


why suddenly mentioning history
Life is just life
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2922 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-03 22:02:09
April 03 2024 21:54 GMT
#52
I felt game 2 was probably Rush's worst game in the series. He played a very passive game, drained the potency of his army by overstimming, had some misclicks, built 2 science facilities, had a couple sloppy engagements & didn't get any use out of his valks.

He wasn't able to do significant damage with his drops, lost his ships, committed a lot of army to the drops, ended up losing his vessels with relatively little use & wasn't really able to take good advantage out of his BC's.

Aside from Hero starting out with a weaker opening, he bounced back with an early 3rd base while pushing his eco. He generally had good muta engagements with little losses, did an excellent job defending and played all his cards right. Yet it looked like he was very close to falling apart regardless... Hero was able to swing momentum back around after defending a 4 dropship drop, taking out the valks and the vessels.

If anything, I felt game 2 showed how elite Zerg has to be at defending Terran pressure - and even if when done right, there still is a 4 base Terran to engage.

Overall Hero's been looking very decisive and in great form in all of his games this season & continued to show it off vs a sloppy (but by no means terrible) Rush. Really looking forward to the RO4 with both Sharp & Hero being on fire.
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8486 Posts
April 03 2024 22:42 GMT
#53
On April 03 2024 08:22 Lazyer wrote:
RIP my LB


I bet that's >90 % of LB'ers.

On April 03 2024 10:57 Smorrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2024 23:06 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On April 02 2024 21:45 M2 wrote:
The smell of ZvZ final is in the air xDD

Fuck sake.. You're right -.-

Please, no..


If Hero rips the Terran bracket apart & SK trashes the Protoss half... let them duke it out!
One of the few times I would love to see it as a final!


That would be quite ironic. :D

On April 04 2024 06:54 Smorrie wrote:
I felt game 2 was probably Rush's worst game in the series. He played a very passive game, drained the potency of his army by overstimming, had some misclicks, built 2 science facilities, had a couple sloppy engagements & didn't get any use out of his valks.


Same, that game felt so weird for the longest time. I was like "he is not building many units, no infrastructere, no tech; he is not out on the map; what is he doing?!"... Added with the uncharacteristic mistakes, it felt quite odd. He almost bounced back from the early to mid game with great drops and attacks (those well placed groups of units to catch reinforcement routes were quite clutch) but it just a little too late.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
April 04 2024 02:14 GMT
#54
--- Nuked ---
Writer
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria364 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-04-04 05:47:47
April 04 2024 05:47 GMT
#55
On April 04 2024 04:41 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2024 03:05 Nirli wrote:
On April 04 2024 01:13 Shinokuki wrote:
On April 03 2024 23:42 Nirli wrote:
Game 2 is the reason why Zerg is the strongest race.
Tesagi moaners begone.
Also, any Terran not banning Dark Origin just wants an autoloss.


Strongest race in tourney but not online plays. Zerg is the lowest performer since 2022 across 5000+ game sample sizes. I hate when ignorant foreginers just look at ASL results.

Who's talking about ASL bro? I'm talking in history.


why suddenly mentioning history

You started the timeline thing and then act surprised. Poor attempt my friend.
Fact of the matter is that hero was basically like Best but unlike Sharp who actually prepared for the matches, Rush came in with his usual MM macro beast shtick and suicided himself against an extremely passive opponent. And I actually like hero.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8486 Posts
April 04 2024 08:30 GMT
#56
On April 04 2024 11:14 Ty2 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Dang. Finally good to see Hero win vs Terran in a Ro8 (and possibly beyond)? Definitely feel he's gonna be the favorite vs Sharp who has notably weaker TvZ. HERO WIN IT ALL!


+ Show Spoiler +
I have always considered TvP to be Sharp's worst match up and he just solidly beat Best. I don't remember Sharp looking ever as solid as he did in this ASL tbh. Rush made some uncharacteristic mistakes vs Hero and wasn't quite on top of his game. I think the Sharp vs Hero can easily go either way and is pretty much 50/50 at this point.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden305 Posts
April 11 2024 07:46 GMT
#57
In the first game, Hero has his zerglings seeing the Terran army but he sends them away so when Rush stimmed and went up the hill to take out the sunkens his lings didn't arrive until pretty much all the sunkens were dead.

Why did Hero send the lings away?

Rush was leading with his firebats to soak sunken hits, the lings attacking from behind would've absolutely wrecked that attack.

I guess Hero didn't expect Rush to go for it when he saw the lings, but why would Hero send the lings away? Makes no sense to me.
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