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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-03 10:21:17
February 03 2023 01:58 GMT
#101
I have played a lot of these maps over the past week or two as much as I could. I realized that there are some that are really cool in concept but seem a little imbalanced in one way or another towards another race or potentially may be difficult for new players. We need to cater to newer players in 2023 as much as we do with the veterans. I don't want to get in to specifics about each one but some "negative" factors determining the outcome my voting process were things such as:

-Too many bases
-Too easy to secure third and fourth with one choke point
-Island maps (I'm sorry but I don't think in 2023 people really want to play island maps, myself included. Maybe in a super casual setting or with clan mates etc)
-Too much of a high ground choke advantage outside a natural to enable easy contains (This is playable to an extent of course, but if you're playing a better player it makes the game a little too one sided I believe)
-Too many breakable structures (A personal preference)
-Maps that are remakes of old maps that still hold a lot of play or competitive value for today's meta in their original form

It's tough to pick only 6 of course, as I was blown away with having so many choices.

EDIT: Top 6 in order

1. Neo Luna - A very slight update to one of my favorite and most nostalgic maps. I put a lot of play time into Luna back in the day. The updates make it keep its original feel yet allow for a more standard play style (Better sim city and mineral placements)
2. Blue Violet - I like the simplicity, open middle (good for newer players) yet difficulty in obtaining a 4th expansion. This one is potentially a little on the tougher side for newer folk but I enjoyed the layout and feel of the map in the games I played on it.
3. Neverland - Seems like a good update of one of my older favorites, Longinus. Starting positions are slightly changed, mineral placement on the expansions seems more updated, and the 4th base doesn't seem as easy to hold which will make for faster paced game play (Low ground and open to a back choke instead of one ramp entrance defended by the third base mineral only area)
4. Nyxeos Gaia was always a pretty awesome map and reminds me of a good era of BW. This takes the map and makes it a little more standard looking but I think that that sometimes is appealing to newer players. I like the light and dark side thing (it's been done before) but still an interesting take on it. The 4th base location is a little harder to defend, still siege-able from the low ground but not as easily defended.
5. Paranoid Android 1.01 - The original map reminds me of when I was young and tried to "compete" in WCG USA. They had it set up like a ladder basically, and I would try to play the worst players I could to make my stats look good. Of course, that doesn't prove anything especially with strong players out there in USA. However I did end up winning a 30gb Samsung Mp3 player with audio recording capabilities from a random "lottery" e-ticket from being in there -- Anyway, this map seems awesome for a 2v2 map as well as a 1v1 map. The original was pretty interesting and definitely fitting of the name, and I think this one keeps the theme of that while remaining fresh.
6. Winter Solstice - A snow map. I actually never have minded playing on snow maps Tau Cross was another one from my past that I played a lot of. Back then I never really analyzed the positional imbalances on that map but I have seen some crazy macro games on there. Obviously Zerg is a beast on this map and that's just part of the game I think. I like the updates made personally while basically retaining the starting positions and middle of the map. A modern take on a classic.

Anyway, I played a good portion of these maps on pub games on US West. Some were just noobs who didn't know better and joined because they don't know one map from another, but some were pretty decent games.

EDIT: Ordered for voting process, sorry.

7. Huntress
8. Sand Storm
9. Halcyon
10. Speachless
11. The Lost TempleS
12. The Downfall Of Moon
13. Jungle Book
14. Abyss
15. Paradiso


Great job everyone.
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-03 07:04:22
February 03 2023 04:40 GMT
#102
On February 03 2023 10:58 Th1rdEye wrote:
I have played a lot of these maps over the past week or two as much as I could. I realized that there are some that are really cool in concept but seem a little imbalanced in one way or another towards another race or potentially may be difficult for new players. We need to cater to newer players in 2023 as much as we do with the veterans. I don't want to get in to specifics about each one but some "negative" factors determining the outcome my voting process were things such as:

-Too many bases
-Too easy to secure third and fourth with one choke point
-Island maps (I'm sorry but I don't think in 2023 people really want to play island maps, myself included. Maybe in a super casual setting or with clan mates etc)
-Too much of a high ground choke advantage outside a natural to enable easy contains (This is playable to an extent of course, but if you're playing a better player it makes the game a little too one sided I believe)
-Too many breakable structures (A personal preference)
-Maps that are remakes of old maps that still hold a lot of play or competitive value for today's meta in their original form

It's tough to pick only 6 of course, as I was blown away with having so many choices.

My top 6 and not necessarily in order:

1. Neo Luna - A very slight update to one of my favorite and most nostalgic maps. I put a lot of play time into Luna back in the day. The updates make it keep its original feel yet allow for a more standard play style (Better sim city and mineral placements)
2. Blue Violet - I like the simplicity, open middle (good for newer players) yet difficulty in obtaining a 4th expansion. This one is potentially a little on the tougher side for newer folk but I enjoyed the layout and feel of the map in the games I played on it.
3. Neverland - Seems like a good update of one of my older favorites, Longinus. Starting positions are slightly changed, mineral placement on the expansions seems more updated, and the 4th base doesn't seem as easy to hold which will make for faster paced game play (Low ground and open to a back choke instead of one ramp entrance defended by the third base mineral only area)
4. Nyxeos Gaia was always a pretty awesome map and reminds me of a good era of BW. This takes the map and makes it a little more standard looking but I think that that sometimes is appealing to newer players. I like the light and dark side thing (it's been done before) but still an interesting take on it. The 4th base location is a little harder to defend, still siege-able from the low ground but not as easily defended.
5. Paranoid Android 1.01 - The original map reminds me of when I was young and tried to "compete" in WCG USA. They had it set up like a ladder basically, and I would try to play the worst players I could to make my stats look good. Of course, that doesn't prove anything especially with strong players out there in USA. However I did end up winning a 30gb Samsung Mp3 player with audio recording capabilities from a random "lottery" e-ticket from being in there -- Anyway, this map seems awesome for a 2v2 map as well as a 1v1 map. The original was pretty interesting and definitely fitting of the name, and I think this one keeps the theme of that while remaining fresh.
6. Winter Solstice - A snow map. I actually never have minded playing on snow maps Tau Cross was another one from my past that I played a lot of. Back then I never really analyzed the positional imbalances on that map but I have seen some crazy macro games on there. Obviously Zerg is a beast on this map and that's just part of the game I think. I like the updates made personally while basically retaining the starting positions and middle of the map. A modern take on a classic.

Anyway, I played a good portion of these maps on pub games on US West. Some were just noobs who didn't know better and joined because they don't know one map from another, but some were pretty decent games.

Some honorable mentions that I really enjoyed in no particular order:

- Huntress
- Halcyon
- Speachless
- The Lost TempleS
- The Downfall Of Moon
- Jungle Book
- Abyss
- Paradiso
- Sand Storm

Great job everyone.



If you’d like your votes to count they must be in order, and you can vote for more than six maps, they just must be in order.
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Testbug[bwmn]
Profile Joined January 2023
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-03 07:11:44
February 03 2023 06:03 GMT
#103
On February 03 2023 10:58 Th1rdEye wrote:
My top 6 and not necessarily in order:


Hi Th1rdEye, acording the voting system we are using, you must specify the order of your top 6 maps (because your number 1 choice will obtain more points, and your number 6 choice will obtain less points). Can you please try to give them an order?
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
February 03 2023 06:48 GMT
#104
At least 6 maps must be voted on.
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
February 03 2023 07:25 GMT
#105
On February 03 2023 10:23 neocronx wrote:
1. Jungle Book
2. Nyxeos
3. Neverland
4. Winter Solstice
5. Rush Hour 4
6. Paranoid Android

Testing the maps and rating the games based on racial balance, dynamic play, and 12 million other totally real variables I ended up with this graded rubic:

Jungle Book 8.2
nyxeos 7.9
neverland 7.2
winter soltice 7.1
Rush Hour 4 6.9
Paranoid Android 6.8
Paranoiid Androiid 6.6
Sandstorm 6.6
Rhombus 6.6
Winshaper 6.5
blue lagoon 6.5
Cheerup 6.5
The Lost Temples 6.4
Blue Violet 6.4
Even Newer Peaks 6.4
Tal'Darim Ruins 6.4
Ride of Valkyries II 6.4
Huntress 6.2
lamentation 6.0
quandry 5.9


Sidenote: McDonalds would have made it with a better name possibly as I didn't test it. Fix your damn machine.



If you’d like to give credit to your list of hard work, you could number them 1-20 and each map will get something.
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NicePants
Profile Joined December 2020
12 Posts
February 03 2023 08:59 GMT
#106
1. Paradiso (by Suricatta)
2. Neverland (by Hozzi)
3. Ice Crystal (by TNWZombie)
4. Abyss (by R4TCHET)
5. Champion (by mAziciAn)
6. Blue Violet (by Moderatoboy)
7. Winter Solstice (by Hyojin)


Comments:

It's great when new Standard and Mostly-Standard maps get added to the popular rotation, like Butter and Allegro. I wonder if Neverland or Winter Solstice could become the next popular 3-player map.

(4) Paradiso (by Suricatta)
- Could potentially be a fun alternative to Vermeer, nice! (Vermeer is decent, but for me personally, Vermeer doesn't seem as fun as Polypoid or Allegro or Circuit Breakers.)
- Looks like the mains in Paradiso are a bit larger than Vermeer's too-small mains, nice.

(4) Ice Crystal (by TNWZombie)
- Looks like the 3rd might be easier to take than a normal 3rd? Neat concept, if so. A bit like training-wheels maybe, could be interesting to see how it plays out. (Makes it a nice map for beginners perhaps? Not sure!)
- I also like that the mains aren't too small.
sas.Sziky
Profile Joined October 2011
Hungary334 Posts
February 03 2023 10:03 GMT
#107
1: Sand Storm
2: Paradiso
3: Even Newer Peaks
4: Third Impact
5: McDonald’s
6: Rita
More attention to mineral patches pls and will be perfect o.o
Thanks for your work guys. HF.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
February 03 2023 17:37 GMT
#108
1) Paranoid Android by Testbug
2) Rita by Freakling
3) KF-21 Boramae by DQ_MAN
4) Black Soulstones by Freakling
5) Ride of Valkyries II by Minerals
6) Quandary by Hyojin
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fireboy011
Profile Joined February 2023
Israel3 Posts
February 03 2023 20:57 GMT
#109
1. Third Impact
2. Starburst
3. Paranoid Android (4 player map)
4. Black Soulstones
5. Blue Lagoon
6. Champion
7. Winter Solstice
8. Huntress
9. Volcanic Canyon
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
February 03 2023 23:01 GMT
#110
On February 03 2023 15:03 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2023 10:58 Th1rdEye wrote:
My top 6 and not necessarily in order:


Hi Th1rdEye, acording the voting system we are using, you must specify the order of your top 6 maps (because your number 1 choice will obtain more points, and your number 6 choice will obtain less points). Can you please try to give them an order?


On February 03 2023 15:48 MineraIs wrote:
At least 6 maps must be voted on.


I changed it to show order instead. Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't read the original post in a long time but I have been playing a lot of games on tehse maps
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Airneanach
Profile Joined January 2021
United States64 Posts
February 04 2023 03:47 GMT
#111
1. Neo Luna
2. Paranoiid Androiid
3. PasCal
4. Lamentation
5. Starburst
6. Champion
7. The Downfall of Moon
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GoGG
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany92 Posts
February 04 2023 08:24 GMT
#112
1. Black Soulstones
2. Jungle Book
3. Rita
4. Starburst
5. River of City
6. Orognu’s Symbol
7. Champion
8. The Lost Temples
9. Paranoid Android
10. Platoon
11. Paranoiid Androiid
12. Cursed Land
13. Even Newer Peaks

favorite players: fOrGG | iloveoov | GARIMTO
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1605 Posts
February 04 2023 13:58 GMT
#113
1. Sand Storm
2. Cheerup
3. Starburst
4. Paranoid Android
5. Winter Solstice
6. Autumn to Winter
7. Ride of Valkyries II


I probably could find a few more maps which are great, overal the contest is amazing and thanks for doing them
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1533 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-04 23:17:22
February 04 2023 22:57 GMT
#114
1. Rudeltaktik
I needed to pick this as my first choice. I think this map is criminally underrated so far, probably because some people don't even want to consider island maps. Is it balanced? Probably not – yet. But it definitely does a lot of things right, managing to completely and immediately recognizably catching the spirit of the original and at the same time managing to radically modernize it.

2. Lost in Paradise
Of the three Lost Temple remakes in this competition, I like this one the most. It takes the elements of the original and radically reinterprets them, using modern map mechanics.

3. Lamentation
As always, Hyojin delivers some high quality maps, and this one is currently probably the most refined and interesting of his submissions.

4. Vanguard
Another very interesting remake that seems to get completely overlooked by every one. It certainly not perfect yet, but it deserves a chance to get there.

5. PasCal
A 3p Monty Hall is a really neat idea. I might have even ranked it higher, but I feel that right now it still lacks some of the refinements and details that other maps already got.

6. Third Impact
DQ basically delivered me exactly the modern rendition of Longinus I was hoping for.



7. Paranoid Android
Great reinterpretation of the concept.

8. Champion
Just like Rudeltaktik, also by mAziciAn, I want to credit this one for the immediate feeling of familiarity this gave me, even though it actually, necessarily, diverges very far from the original's concept (or lack thereof, as Blizzard maps often give the impression of…).

9. KF-21 Boramae
DQ_MAN comes out very strong in this contest, and this seems like another very well-made map by him.

10. Paradiso
11. Neo Luna
Two more conservative takes on a remake, only implementing the bare minimum of changes that seem necessary to fix bugs and make the map more comfortable to play on – and that was really all that was required in these cases!
olipatrick
Profile Joined May 2019
Bolivia7 Posts
February 05 2023 01:45 GMT
#115
Go for it!

1 - Paranoid Android by TestBug
2 - Black Soulstones by 𝔉𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔨𝔩𝔦𝔫𝔤
3 - Aiur City by TNWZombie
4 - Flashbang by TNWZombie
5 - Starburst by 𝔉𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔨𝔩𝔦𝔫𝔤
6 - Rita by 𝔉𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔨𝔩𝔦𝔫𝔤
7 - Rudeltaktik by mAziciAn
Testbug[bwmn]
Profile Joined January 2023
32 Posts
February 05 2023 03:13 GMT
#116
On January 27 2023 11:59 TNWZombie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2023 09:30 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:
On January 26 2023 07:48 Cronkonium wrote:
and bring the sides of the map in a bit to close the new gap.

Sorry i didn't get this part. which ssides? can you draw lines/marks using paint or using your phone?

but thank you for your ideas, we are also thinking to add a cliff behind the nats to muta harssment will be more powerful, maybe this solves the problem you pointed out. In case this maps gets into the next round, ee'll let you know when we make the changes!


Cronkonium seems to have voted like this.

* Voting Status
1. Even Newer Peaks (My Choice for Best Map)
2. Cursed Land (My second favorite map after Even Newer Peaks.)
3. Sand Storm
4. Ride of Valkyries II
5. Paranoiid Androiid
6. Light's Out


Thank youuuu
Invincibilitysky
Profile Joined January 2022
3 Posts
February 05 2023 06:42 GMT
#117
1. Sand Storm by Minerals
2. Rita by Freakling
3. Cursed Land by TNWZombie
4. Champion by mAziciAn
5. Blue Violet by Moderatoboy
6. Winter Solstice by Hyojin
DQ
Profile Joined October 2022
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-05 07:59:39
February 05 2023 07:57 GMT
#118
1.Rita
2.Lamentation
3.Rudeltaktik
4.Blue Lagoon
5.Huntress
6.Orognu’s Symbol
TNWZombie
Profile Joined March 2021
Korea (South)73 Posts
February 05 2023 07:59 GMT
#119
Those who made the map, good job.

1. Black Soulstones(Freakling)
2. Champion(mAziciAn)
3. Rita(Freakling)
4. Sand Storm(Minerals)
5. Winter Solstice(Hyojin)
6. The Downfall of Moon(DQ_MAN&mAziciAn)
7. Neo Luna(Suri)
8. NeverLand(Hozzi)
9. Jungle Book(JoJo)
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
February 05 2023 11:14 GMT
#120
Voting is closed.
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