New Worlds Map Contest III: All Submissions (VOTE HERE)

On January 20 2023 07:23 ZZZero.O wrote:
What a post !

I love these maps, I hope I will have option to make some additional event on them

On January 20 2023 08:15 TT1 wrote:
1. Paranoid Android
Taking Paranoid and mirroring the bases to create a unique 2v2 map is beyond amazing. I've never seen this type of layout for a 2v2 map, you could have 3 completely different 2v2 games based on spawn locations (based on allies spawning close by ground, close by air or cross spawn). Imo maps like this are what pushes the game forward (both in 1v1 and 2v2). The beauty of the map is that it's super innovative while also being very simple/basic.

On January 20 2023 11:36 WGT-Baal wrote:
Echo above post on Paranoid Android, please add it to SB 2v2 and we ll also do it, very likely, for BWCL.

We are also looking at several of the others in this list for the 1v1 season

On January 20 2023 20:43 Peeano wrote:
Congratz on getting your Queen icon and what a post to do it with! I always enjoy your posts, so I hope to see you around for another 1500 posts

On January 20 2023 21:07 Freakling wrote:

Any chance I could get my Zergling icon back? I miss it so much ;..(

On January 20 2023 22:01 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


If you keep such quality posting eventually you'll get upgraded to the drone icon

On January 21 2023 07:49 RemastrTV wrote:
I love a lot of these maps but my favorites are:

1. Champion
2. Jungle Book
3. Rudeltaktik
4. Paranoid Android
5. Sand Storm
6. Tempest
7. Rita

On January 21 2023 09:52 Freakling wrote:
Tempest?!

On January 21 2023 07:49 RemastrTV wrote:
I love a lot of these maps but my favorites are:

1. Champion
2. Jungle Book
3. Rudeltaktik
4. Paranoid Android
5. Sand Storm
6. Tempest
7. Rita

On January 21 2023 09:52 Freakling wrote:

Tempest?!

On January 21 2023 21:39 TT1 wrote:
I think Huntress has potential but say the spawns are 8P and 4T, once T controls the areas in yellow it becomes mega cancer to engage into them (unless you already have carriers out). The areas in red are way too cramped to engage into T.

I understand that the area in white is there to maintain the original spirit of the map but imo it would be much better without it (or if it was opened up some more, or if the area connecting the nat to the 3rd was further down).

On January 24 2023 15:17 Mutaller wrote:


Looks like you have two maps from Suricatta, I would too, but 1 vote per map maker unless it is a team project is the rule

On January 24 2023 15:17 Mutaller wrote:


Looks like you have two maps from Suricatta, I would too, but 1 vote per map maker unless it is a team project is the rule

On January 25 2023 13:12 Just_a_Moth wrote:
1. Cursed Land
2. Sand Storm
3. Champion
4. KF-21 Boramae
5. Flashbang
6. Raidan

On January 25 2023 23:51 Artosis wrote:
1. Sandstorm.

put this map on the ladder!

On January 26 2023 05:25 Drake wrote:
1. Neo Luna

But where is my remade python or Fighting Spirit, they were my favorite maps

On January 26 2023 07:48 Cronkonium wrote:
and bring the sides of the map in a bit to close the new gap.

On January 26 2023 09:30 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:

Sorry i didn't get this part. which ssides? can you draw lines/marks using paint or using your phone?

but thank you for your ideas, we are also thinking to add a cliff behind the nats to muta harssment will be more powerful, maybe this solves the problem you pointed out. In case this maps gets into the next round, ee'll let you know when we make the changes!

On January 26 2023 13:36 Mazer wrote:

EDIT 2 - did anyone try to do Gorky by chance? https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/maps/129_Gorky_Island

On January 27 2023 11:43 Nightmarjoo wrote:
1. Paranoid Android (by Testbug)
2. Rudeltaktik
3. Abyss
4. Champion
5. River of City
6. Parasite

There are better maps that I didn't include, but I was judging them based on amount of improvement from original, the degree to which they maintained the sense/novelty of the original, the author's intent, and their playability. So some other maps were better but were barely different from the original, or they tried to change a legendary map maker's map and made it worse, or they greatly improved the map but it retained too little of the original, etc. I felt the maps I chose best combined the ideas of improvement, retaining the original idea, and remaining playable. I will say that I'm worried about the building space of Parasite, but with any luck it's still playable, perhaps as a 2v2 map as a last resort.

On January 27 2023 14:17 ox.tQ wrote:


No, there is no remake of Gorky Island. You can see the list of new/old map names here much easier

I think the issue with Gorky Island was that it was heavily imbalanced towards Terran because of the cliff behind the main mineral line which could be dropped. That cliff was a defining characteristic of Gorky Island so a remake would probably need to include that cliff again. Doing so would make it an imbalanced map? Also, islands may be very difficult to balance or to please players because they don't seem to like island maps. For these reasons and perhaps others, I don't think it would have been a smart choice to select a map like Gorky Island to remake. But I would be interested in hearing your reasons for recreating it.

On January 20 2023 08:15 TT1 wrote:

Bonus 1) Rudeltaktik
+ Show Spoiler +

I'm pretty sure that this map is extremely Z favored tho. Z doesn't need the extra main base gas (because you're not restricting players from exping) and because Z has space efficient macro/production they'll have a big advantage by having easy map control (all the expos are lowground). Beautiful map/design but i think you need to extend the mains/remove the backdoor ramp and make the 3rd base an inbase expo (or maybe even the nat as the inbase instead of 3rd), that way you lessen the impact of having ground map control, games won't snowball as hard.

On January 26 2023 07:48 Cronkonium wrote:
For my choices of maps I'll pick #s 1-6 then give some suggestions in point form.
From Worst of the Best to Best of the Best (My Favourite Map Comes Last):
#1) *Light's Out*
Suggestions: I think having the 3rd base minerals slightly organised more towards the mains is maybe a good idea, then reduce the main's size on that front slightly (so there is still a gap between them). Also the central North & South Bases should maybe be reduced & have the gas geyser either towards the middle of the map (or if it's bad mining pathing for one of the bases over the other), then remove some minerals and set it on either the East or West. I just see little harass potential other than frontal attacks against the North & South bases as opposed to the East & West ones which are on high grounds (easy Zerg defences I think here for a big gain).
#2) *Paranoiid Androiid*
Suggestions: Reduce the size of the bridge between the Top-Right corner bases & maybe increase the size of the middle 1 slightly. I think also the 3rd base location is too easy to take & it maybe requires having a bit of risk with it when it comes to Terrans taking it quickly & Zergs taking & holding all 3 bases in 1 chokepoint. Maybe point the ramps into the centre of the map rather than having them look back towards the natural so much. It might also be a good idea to get a bit of gap between the minerals and the edge of the map as with most of these maps they're very very very hard to hit with non-frontal attacks (e.g. reavers or high templars, with mutas, lurker drops... or even vultures would have a hard time in those bases).
#3) *Ride of Valkyries II*
Suggestions: I think the 3rd bases (along the vertical borders of the map) ought to be pushed further Northwards away from the natural. With just a single mineral patch in the way between them, once it is gone it will too easy for two bases to be defended. Either that or have the minerals rotated a bit to face over the bridge somewhat (move the terrain around as needed too), because right now it looks like Frontal Pushes are easy & will work - giving Terrans and many Zergs a boost. But Arbitres & High Templars or Reavers will do nothing on this map. Considering too that it's not even a good Carrier map, I really would worry that Protoss would have to cheese most games on here without having crevices & gaps in the high ground in the middle. Vultures, Lings, Hydras/Lurkers, Siegetank/Goliath would all be a bit too strong on this map especially since Protoss doesn't really have a second base where they can have structures... so maybe altering the main to be slightly smaller and partially upgrading a top base in size might be useful to have Protoss units be capable of interacting with the high ground from multiple angles.
#4) *Sand Storm*
Suggestions: Holding Protoss in maybe Terrans in some circumstances, seems to be way too easy on a map like this if they ever get a position on you. A bridge right near a double tall ramp, that's also near a tall ramp that immediately connects to that other higher ground is just a circle of high ground/bridge choke-point that seems immediately scary to my eyes as there is no other way out really. I think pushing that TALLEST ridge back slightly away from the bridges and those 'CAGE looking things', even reduce the ramp near the cage just on the other side of the bridge... would maybe allow for strategic contains to work, but not just a consistent *I have overlapping waves of siege tanks on successive high grounds* for example.
#5) *Cursed Land*
Suggestions: This map looks really quite good, barely second for me (at the same highest position alongside Even Newer Peaks). The main problem I might see is that a meta might be figured out quickly here... Zerg base positionings
- bases 1-3/4 especially. I worry for Terrans with Mutas attacking the natural, I worry for Protoss with Tanks easily smashing probe lines at the natural & I worry for Zerg (just a little) & Terran a bit that there would be Dragoons or High Templar storms hitting the natural mineral lines too. Increase the thickness of the wall JUST up the ramp to the side of the natural's mineral line to 3 or even 4. Maybe get a bit of water spots too just below into the base on the lower ground too (push the base maybe 1 or 2 hexes further to the South for the Upper Right player & to the North for the Lower Left player. This would all reduce the ramp size by maybe 2-3 hexes and give a balanced push location that isn't too large, but also isn't small either.
#6) *Even Newer Peaks* (My Choice for Best Map)
Suggestions: Remove 2 of the eggs on the side closest to the centre (or 1 on each) and bring the sides of the map in a bit to close the new gap. By doing this you'll leave your slightly larger than normal choke open, but it won't be THAT big. I'm thinking bringing the edges away from the centre stops strong Zerg & Terran positionings/pushes from high ground as tanks and lurkers/hydras don't have even easier access to shoot you down and Protoss can dragoon flood down the ramp as easily. Then also cut down the diamond high grounds a bit and move the triangular bit backwards slightly (a few positions maybe 5 or 6 at most).
Artosis said he didn't think the map was quite there yet & I know my ideas would be different from his, but I see potential in this map. Really the only other worrisome thing for me is the ability to shell things in the enemy's main base if they try to hide buildings to the far South or North with tanks or even a few hydras on the edge. Turrets could be picked off before flying Arbitres or Shuttles in too! So widening the gap slightly might help there.

On February 03 2023 10:58 Th1rdEye wrote:
I have played a lot of these maps over the past week or two as much as I could. I realized that there are some that are really cool in concept but seem a little imbalanced in one way or another towards another race or potentially may be difficult for new players. We need to cater to newer players in 2023 as much as we do with the veterans. I don't want to get in to specifics about each one but some "negative" factors determining the outcome my voting process were things such as:

-Too many bases
-Too easy to secure third and fourth with one choke point
-Island maps (I'm sorry but I don't think in 2023 people really want to play island maps, myself included. Maybe in a super casual setting or with clan mates etc)
-Too much of a high ground choke advantage outside a natural to enable easy contains (This is playable to an extent of course, but if you're playing a better player it makes the game a little too one sided I believe)
-Too many breakable structures (A personal preference)
-Maps that are remakes of old maps that still hold a lot of play or competitive value for today's meta in their original form

It's tough to pick only 6 of course, as I was blown away with having so many choices.

My top 6 and not necessarily in order:

1. Neo Luna - A very slight update to one of my favorite and most nostalgic maps. I put a lot of play time into Luna back in the day. The updates make it keep its original feel yet allow for a more standard play style (Better sim city and mineral placements)
2. Blue Violet - I like the simplicity, open middle (good for newer players) yet difficulty in obtaining a 4th expansion. This one is potentially a little on the tougher side for newer folk but I enjoyed the layout and feel of the map in the games I played on it.
3. Neverland - Seems like a good update of one of my older favorites, Longinus. Starting positions are slightly changed, mineral placement on the expansions seems more updated, and the 4th base doesn't seem as easy to hold which will make for faster paced game play (Low ground and open to a back choke instead of one ramp entrance defended by the third base mineral only area)
4. Nyxeos Gaia was always a pretty awesome map and reminds me of a good era of BW. This takes the map and makes it a little more standard looking but I think that that sometimes is appealing to newer players. I like the light and dark side thing (it's been done before) but still an interesting take on it. The 4th base location is a little harder to defend, still siege-able from the low ground but not as easily defended.
5. Paranoid Android 1.01 - The original map reminds me of when I was young and tried to "compete" in WCG USA. They had it set up like a ladder basically, and I would try to play the worst players I could to make my stats look good. Of course, that doesn't prove anything especially with strong players out there in USA. However I did end up winning a 30gb Samsung Mp3 player with audio recording capabilities from a random "lottery" e-ticket from being in there -- Anyway, this map seems awesome for a 2v2 map as well as a 1v1 map. The original was pretty interesting and definitely fitting of the name, and I think this one keeps the theme of that while remaining fresh.
6. Winter Solstice - A snow map. I actually never have minded playing on snow maps Tau Cross was another one from my past that I played a lot of. Back then I never really analyzed the positional imbalances on that map but I have seen some crazy macro games on there. Obviously Zerg is a beast on this map and that's just part of the game I think. I like the updates made personally while basically retaining the starting positions and middle of the map. A modern take on a classic.

Anyway, I played a good portion of these maps on pub games on US West. Some were just noobs who didn't know better and joined because they don't know one map from another, but some were pretty decent games.

Some honorable mentions that I really enjoyed in no particular order:

- Huntress
- Halcyon
- Speachless
- The Lost TempleS
- The Downfall Of Moon
- Jungle Book
- Abyss
- Paradiso
- Sand Storm

Great job everyone.

On February 03 2023 10:58 Th1rdEye wrote:
My top 6 and not necessarily in order:

On February 03 2023 10:23 neocronx wrote:
1. Jungle Book
2. Nyxeos
3. Neverland
4. Winter Solstice
5. Rush Hour 4
6. Paranoid Android

Testing the maps and rating the games based on racial balance, dynamic play, and 12 million other totally real variables I ended up with this graded rubic:

Jungle Book 8.2
nyxeos 7.9
neverland 7.2
winter soltice 7.1
Rush Hour 4 6.9
Paranoid Android 6.8
Paranoiid Androiid 6.6
Sandstorm 6.6
Rhombus 6.6
Winshaper 6.5
blue lagoon 6.5
Cheerup 6.5
The Lost Temples 6.4
Blue Violet 6.4
Even Newer Peaks 6.4
Tal'Darim Ruins 6.4
Ride of Valkyries II 6.4
Huntress 6.2
lamentation 6.0
quandry 5.9


Sidenote: McDonalds would have made it with a better name possibly as I didn't test it. Fix your damn machine.

On February 03 2023 15:03 Testbug[bwmn] wrote:


Hi Th1rdEye, acording the voting system we are using, you must specify the order of your top 6 maps (because your number 1 choice will obtain more points, and your number 6 choice will obtain less points). Can you please try to give them an order?

On February 03 2023 15:48 MineraIs wrote:
At least 6 maps must be voted on.

On January 27 2023 11:59 TNWZombie wrote:


Cronkonium seems to have voted like this.

* Voting Status
1. Even Newer Peaks (My Choice for Best Map)
2. Cursed Land (My second favorite map after Even Newer Peaks.)
3. Sand Storm
4. Ride of Valkyries II
5. Paranoiid Androiid
6. Light's Out