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XoXiDe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States620 Posts
October 07 2007 04:26 GMT
#61
do you guys know why they closed the top level tournament area to spectators today? kinda sucked not being able to watch the other games. the security guard said something about too many people.?
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
October 07 2007 04:32 GMT
#62
On October 06 2007 10:51 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Why? It's completely legal in Korean Tournaments because its possible to stop the jam by just simply pressing stop on the Turret.

It was just a simple misunderstanding from Stork, believeing that he thought it was legal.


I agree. The Korean community shouldn't make a big deal of this; it was probably just a misunderstanding, and it's good enough that they rematched again afterwards.
There's crashing?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 07 2007 07:23 GMT
#63
people who dont even know the situation shouldn't even be whining, the initial post was really uninformed in itself....

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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
October 07 2007 07:34 GMT
#64
On October 07 2007 13:32 davidgurt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2007 10:51 GTR-2-Go wrote:
Why? It's completely legal in Korean Tournaments because its possible to stop the jam by just simply pressing stop on the Turret.

It was just a simple misunderstanding from Stork, believeing that he thought it was legal.


I agree. The Korean community shouldn't make a big deal of this; it was probably just a misunderstanding, and it's good enough that they rematched again afterwards.


Well this could be not a missunderstanding. Rules are set up on Screen before the first games start, player get hold on to read them. Koreans have a translater in area, so if they would not understand them they could ask.
If you play professionell you should not "believe" you have to "know"
For this game it had not much influenz on the game Stork would have won either way, like Dissy said "monsters"
spetial
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States688 Posts
October 07 2007 09:03 GMT
#65
tbh i think this is more of a vacation for the korean to begin with. that being said, i still think its bull shit they they called this out as a bug/exploint forcing rematchs.
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mnm
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States4493 Posts
October 08 2007 06:15 GMT
#66
this is probably old news.. but.. http://www.gameriot.com/news/4407/WCG-StarCraft-drama-unleashed/ =p
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-08 20:18:36
October 08 2007 20:14 GMT
#67
On October 07 2007 01:08 Phleiart wrote:
yea but then he needs to be given a loose as the rules say!


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose

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loose /lus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[loos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, loos·er, loos·est, adverb, verb loosed, loos·ing.
–adjective
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered: loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.
3. uncombined, as a chemical element.
4. not bound together: to wear one's hair loose.
5. not put up in a package or other container: loose mushrooms.
6. available for disposal; unused; unappropriated: loose funds.
7. lacking in reticence or power of restraint: a loose tongue.
8. lax, as the bowels.
9. lacking moral restraint or integrity; notorious for his loose character.
10. sexually promiscuous or immoral; unchaste.
11. not firm, taut, or rigid: a loose tooth; a loose rein.
12. relaxed or limber in nature: He runs with a loose, open stride.
13. not fitting closely or tightly: a loose sweater.
14. not close or compact in structure or arrangement; having spaces between the parts; open: a loose weave.
15. having few restraining factors between associated constituents and allowing ample freedom for independent action: a loose federation of city-states.
16. not cohering: loose sand.
17. not strict, exact, or precise: a loose interpretation of the law.
18. Sports.
a. having the players on a team positioned at fairly wide intervals, as in a football formation.
b. (of a ball, hockey puck, etc.) not in the possession of either team; out of player control.
–adverb
19. in a loose manner; loosely (usually used in combination): loose-flowing.
–verb (used with object)
20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint.
21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.
22. Chiefly Nautical. to set free from fastening or attachment: to loose a boat from its moorings.
23. to unfasten, undo, or untie, as a bond, fetter, or knot.
24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders.
25. to make less tight; slacken or relax.
26. to render less firmly fixed; lessen an attachment; loosen.
–verb (used without object)
27. to let go a hold.
28. to hoist anchor; get under way.
29. to shoot or let fly an arrow, bullet, etc. (often fol. by off): to loose off at a flock of ducks.
30. Obsolete. to become loose; loosen.
—Idioms
31. break loose, to free oneself; escape: The convicts broke loose.
32. cast loose,
a. to loosen or unfasten, as a ship from a mooring.
b. to send forth; set adrift or free: He was cast loose at an early age to make his own way in the world.
33. cut loose,
a. to release from domination or control.
b. to become free, independent, etc.
c. to revel without restraint: After the rodeo they headed into town to cut loose.
34. hang or stay loose, Slang. to remain relaxed and unperturbed.
35. let loose,
a. to free or become free.
b. to yield; give way: The guardrail let loose and we very nearly plunged over the edge.
36. on the loose,
a. free; unconfined, as, esp., an escaped convict or circus animal.
b. behaving in an unrestrained or dissolute way: a bachelor on the loose.
37. turn loose, to release or free, as from confinement: The teacher turned the children loose after the class.
[Origin: 1175–1225; (adj.) ME los, loos < ON lauss loose, free, empty; c. OE léas (see -less), D, G los loose, free; (v.) ME leowsen, lousen, deriv. of the adj.]

—Related forms
loosely, adverb
looseness, noun

—Synonyms 2. unbound, untied, unrestricted, unconfined. 10. libertine, dissolute, licentious. 17. vague, general, indefinite. 20. loosen, unbind. 21. liberate. 25. ease.
—Antonyms 1. bound. 10. chaste. 25. tighten.
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lose /luz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[looz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, lost, los·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery: I'm sure I've merely misplaced my hat, not lost it.
2. to fail inadvertently to retain (something) in such a way that it cannot be immediately recovered: I just lost a dime under this sofa.
3. to suffer the deprivation of: to lose one's job; to lose one's life.
4. to be bereaved of by death: to lose a sister.
5. to fail to keep, preserve, or maintain: to lose one's balance; to lose one's figure.
6. (of a clock or watch) to run slower by: The watch loses three minutes a day.
7. to give up; forfeit the possession of: to lose a fortune at the gaming table.
8. to get rid of: to lose one's fear of the dark; to lose weight.
9. to bring to destruction or ruin (usually used passively): Ship and crew were lost.
10. to condemn to hell; damn.
11. to have slip from sight, hearing, attention, etc.: to lose him in the crowd.
12. to stray from or become ignorant of (one's way, directions, etc.): to lose one's bearings.
13. to leave far behind in a pursuit, race, etc.; outstrip: She managed to lose the other runners on the final lap of the race.
14. to use to no purpose; waste: to lose time in waiting.
15. to fail to have, get, catch, etc.; miss: to lose a bargain.
16. to fail to win (a prize, stake, etc.): to lose a bet.
17. to be defeated in (a game, lawsuit, battle, etc.): He has lost very few cases in his career as a lawyer.
18. to cause the loss of: The delay lost the battle for them.
19. to let (oneself) go astray, miss the way, etc.: We lost ourselves in the woods.
20. to allow (oneself) to become absorbed or engrossed in something and oblivious to all else: I had lost myself in thought.
21. (of a physician) to fail to preserve the life of (a patient).
22. (of a woman) to fail to be delivered of (a live baby) because of miscarriage, complications in childbirth, etc.
–verb (used without object)
23. to suffer loss: to lose on a contract.
24. to suffer defeat or fail to win, as in a contest, race, or game: We played well, but we lost.
25. to depreciate in effectiveness or in some other essential quality: a classic that loses in translation.
26. (of a clock, watch, etc.) to run slow.
—Verb phrase
27. lose out, to suffer defeat or loss; fail to obtain something desired: He got through the preliminaries, but lost out in the finals.
—Idiom
28. lose face. face (def. 48).
[Origin: bef. 900; ME losen, OE -léosan; r. ME lesen, itself also reflecting OE -léosan; c. G verlieren, Goth fraliusan to lose. See loss]


I'm sorry but this really annoys me for some reason and people use these words wrong a lot. And not only that but you used the incorect word improper grammatically as well. The word you need is 'LOSS'.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
October 08 2007 20:34 GMT
#68
On October 08 2007 15:15 mnm wrote:
this is probably old news.. but.. http://www.gameriot.com/news/4407/WCG-StarCraft-drama-unleashed/ =p


No offense but a lot of that write up is wrong (about the turret bug), as you probably know from looking through this thread.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
October 08 2007 21:38 GMT
#69
i think stork should be removed of his medal and the gold should be given to pj
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 08 2007 21:42 GMT
#70
Hmmm, thanks, didn't know about this.
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mnm
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States4493 Posts
October 08 2007 21:46 GMT
#71
a lot of the writeup as in i forgot to say you can press s on the turret instead of making a second one? pls elaborate. i wrote about info i gathered from everyones POVs. some might be old news.
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-08 21:50:02
October 08 2007 21:49 GMT
#72
--- Nuked ---
waterflash
Profile Joined June 2004
China19 Posts
October 10 2007 02:15 GMT
#73
T_T,if stork lose,pj got champion
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
October 10 2007 02:32 GMT
#74
EX signed the paper.

Why is there controversy
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-10 02:39:50
October 10 2007 02:36 GMT
#75
This is pretty off topic but I wanted to bring it up and I didn't want to make a whole other thread. My segway is going to be: if you allow stop lurker "bug" then you should also allow ob over turret bug Anyways, an interesting thing with overlords and them being selected with lurkers and/or another unit.

A burrowed lurker by itself only has the attack and stop command. Now a burrowed lurker with an overlord has all possible commands including patrol, everyone already knows this part. However oddly enough its ONLY with an overlord. If you select a Lurker with another unit, for example, a hydra, there will be NO available commands. None at all. You can still move and target with right click but thats it. Now interestingly enough selecting an overlord with a burrowed lurker and a hydra gives back ALL possible commands again. So theres something weird about selecting an overlord

This information is actually somewhat usefull. Despite how useless it seems. Im sure at least a few times youve tried to select some units who were sitting on lurkers and were unable to issue an attack move command(like when sending reenforcements from your choke to battle). It can be a real pain. However if you always have an overlord within selection range of your lurkers then its a lot easier to quickly select and attack move those units into battle, without having to move them off the lurkers first. Ok its still pretty useless, but hey it was interesting to me
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
October 10 2007 02:50 GMT
#76
select an overlord with your army, i find it interesting. though a bit off topic
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linyu)wufan18
Profile Joined October 2002
1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-10 03:03:21
October 10 2007 02:59 GMT
#77
On October 10 2007 11:32 HonestTea wrote:
EX signed the paper.

Why is there controversy

I think regame is ok, but if u said this,I will say: eStro lost 0-2 to MYM and signed the paper too, but why WCG gave the win to them?

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184417172?bctid=1231027792
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/40216/
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/40218/
http://sc.replays.net
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
October 10 2007 03:07 GMT
#78
A player needs to submit a complaint before signing the paper
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-10 03:16:52
October 10 2007 03:13 GMT
#79
On October 10 2007 11:59 linyu)wufan18 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2007 11:32 HonestTea wrote:
EX signed the paper.

Why is there controversy

I think regame is ok, but if u said this,I will say: eStro lost 0-2 to MYM and signed the paper too, but why WCG gave the win to them?

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184417172?bctid=1231027792
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/40216/
http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/40218/


Friend, please read the articles you have linked to me.


Meet Your Makers’ Norwegian Counter-Strike: 1.6 team beat eSTRO from Korea by 16 rounds to 9 on de_inferno and de_nuke. While the MYM players were celebrating what seemed like a spot in the quarter finals the Koreans refused to sign the official match papers.


eStro's appeal against MYM was listened to because they did so without signing the papers.

Had Fnatic appealed before signing their papers against eStro, Fnatic probably would have been rewarded a rematch as well.



I really don't understand the controversy (with Stork). By signing the papers, you are admitting that you have no objections with anything that happened in the game, or the final result.

Every team has the right to object before signing their papers. It is the last line of defense for any percieved cheating.

If a team chooses to not sign and appeal, that is within their rights.
If a team signs the papers they give up their rights to appeal about the match.

eStro does not sign papers against MYM, asks for rematch -> correct.
Fnatic signs papers against eStro, cannot ask for rematch -> correct.
EX signs his fucking papers, and Stork STILL has to play a rematch? That is ultimate retardation and should never had happened.

Again, if you took the time to disengage yourself from PJ's teat and read the articles before sending them to me... well you would not have sent those articles to me.
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 10 2007 03:19 GMT
#80
Because Estro went through the reps and accused MYM of crouch jumping which is banned for some retarded reason. From there, the VP and P showed up (korean) and ordered that a Bo1 be played. Total bullshit
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