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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
October 10 2007 03:31 GMT
#81
Hmm, so eStro saw the reps before appealing?

Is that legal?

returns upon momentous occasions.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
October 10 2007 03:33 GMT
#82
On October 10 2007 12:19 Kennigit wrote:
Because Estro went through the reps and accused MYM of crouch jumping which is banned for some retarded reason. From there, the VP and P showed up (korean) and ordered that a Bo1 be played. Total bullshit

It's not crouch jumping, it's something else. Basically involves tapping crouch while moving, and the end result is that you can essentially run silently.
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SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China231 Posts
October 10 2007 03:43 GMT
#83
Dont waste time on this

Samsung rules everything
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
October 10 2007 03:45 GMT
#84
HT, Ex submitted a complaint, and then signed the papers according to the procedure.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
linyu)wufan18
Profile Joined October 2002
1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-10 03:56:57
October 10 2007 03:56 GMT
#85
First,I said I think regame is ok

if u want use this stupid reason: EX signed the paper. lol, as u like.

Befor the 3rd game,MYM want to check the 2nd game's demo to find if eStro use bug or not, WCG said: if u want to check,ok,but if u can't find anything, u will be out.

haha,eStro can use 2-3 hours to find if MYM use "bug" or not,but MYM cant?
http://sc.replays.net
linyu)wufan18
Profile Joined October 2002
1198 Posts
October 10 2007 03:58 GMT
#86
after 2nd game,eStro signed paper too, some MYM players saw them did.
http://sc.replays.net
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-10 04:27:23
October 10 2007 04:24 GMT
#87
Ok, ok.

There's just too much heresay and confusion for anybody to make sense out of any of this.

I was told that EX signed the paper before Tasteless spotted the observer bug, and that the complaint came after EX signed the paper. However, DKnight tells me that it was the other way around.

Wufan was told by MYM players that they saw Estro signing the paper, but according to official accounts the appeal came first.

Who's right? Who knows?

Everybody is being told things and reporting unclear things and painting things one way or another. Even people who were there are giving such conflicting reports that it's impossible for me to have a clear idea about any of this. Hell, I bet even the players themselves are somewhat confused.

So I will avoid from making any assumptions or opinions from now on.

I still think that anyone who kept with official procedure (appeal before sign, cannot appeal after sign) is clean in my book.

I also realize that arguing with wufan is useless. I shall refrain. lol, as u like.
returns upon momentous occasions.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
October 10 2007 19:31 GMT
#88
stork should be banned from wcg
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
October 10 2007 19:50 GMT
#89
On October 11 2007 04:31 CultureMisfits wrote:
stork should be banned from wcg

Someone really doesn't like Stork.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
October 11 2007 00:22 GMT
#90
http://www.mymym.com/en/article/487.html

written by Nostra and the MYM.CS player
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-11 03:49:17
October 11 2007 03:48 GMT
#91
In the end, the referee has to make the decision.
The officials have the authority.

We can petition against it, but what they say basically has to go.

Exploit, then regame, seems fine.

If there was a real problem, Ex should have refused the regame and petition hard for a DQ to be awarded, but instead he regamed.

Case closed, that's all that can be done.
sex appeal
y2kbug
Profile Joined October 2007
Poland2 Posts
October 11 2007 12:58 GMT
#92
It's funny how people have to do the Samsung's "I swear to play Fair in the spirit of etcetc" and then Samsung orders korean players to lose games on purpose. Pretty bs imo.

About the Stork vs Ex game. What if you'd be playing some and didn't see him use a bug and lose. Then just sign documents cause you think he won fair. Don't you deserve a rematch/win if a referee saw it ? Hah.
The eSTRO crap is also nice. They can waste 3 hours of people's time looking for some nonexistant bug play but when MYM wants to do it they are told that if they don't find anything they will get DQ. Next WCG shouldn't have anything to do with Samsung or korean sponsoring.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
October 11 2007 16:49 GMT
#93
next WCG shouldn´t have stupid rules. The organizers need learn more starcraft... all of us learn from the korean players. My opinion from thhe stork case? the rules are rules, doesnt matters the stupid they are. Stork should be disqualified... but the referee have always the last word and he say "the show must go on"... the best thing that we can ask for the next time its: "please use the korean maps and the korean rules, they know more about starcraft that anyone in the world"
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
y2kbug
Profile Joined October 2007
Poland2 Posts
October 11 2007 17:14 GMT
#94
Yes! Let's give them some more advantage ! ^^. Anyway, a half brain players check the tournament rules before playing in one (but that's just my opinion )
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
October 11 2007 20:52 GMT
#95
what blind adherence to low quality rules - rules which are already inconsistently enforced - must prompt someone to suggest that stork should be disqualified for something as insignificant as a use of the observer bug.
MrBitter: Phoenixes... They're like flying hellions. Always cost efficient.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-11 21:08:34
October 11 2007 21:07 GMT
#96
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 09 2007 05:14 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2007 01:08 Phleiart wrote:
yea but then he needs to be given a loose as the rules say!


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose

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loose /lus/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[loos] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, loos·er, loos·est, adverb, verb loosed, loos·ing.
–adjective
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered: loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.
3. uncombined, as a chemical element.
4. not bound together: to wear one's hair loose.
5. not put up in a package or other container: loose mushrooms.
6. available for disposal; unused; unappropriated: loose funds.
7. lacking in reticence or power of restraint: a loose tongue.
8. lax, as the bowels.
9. lacking moral restraint or integrity; notorious for his loose character.
10. sexually promiscuous or immoral; unchaste.
11. not firm, taut, or rigid: a loose tooth; a loose rein.
12. relaxed or limber in nature: He runs with a loose, open stride.
13. not fitting closely or tightly: a loose sweater.
14. not close or compact in structure or arrangement; having spaces between the parts; open: a loose weave.
15. having few restraining factors between associated constituents and allowing ample freedom for independent action: a loose federation of city-states.
16. not cohering: loose sand.
17. not strict, exact, or precise: a loose interpretation of the law.
18. Sports.
a. having the players on a team positioned at fairly wide intervals, as in a football formation.
b. (of a ball, hockey puck, etc.) not in the possession of either team; out of player control.
–adverb
19. in a loose manner; loosely (usually used in combination): loose-flowing.
–verb (used with object)
20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint.
21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.
22. Chiefly Nautical. to set free from fastening or attachment: to loose a boat from its moorings.
23. to unfasten, undo, or untie, as a bond, fetter, or knot.
24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders.
25. to make less tight; slacken or relax.
26. to render less firmly fixed; lessen an attachment; loosen.
–verb (used without object)
27. to let go a hold.
28. to hoist anchor; get under way.
29. to shoot or let fly an arrow, bullet, etc. (often fol. by off): to loose off at a flock of ducks.
30. Obsolete. to become loose; loosen.
—Idioms
31. break loose, to free oneself; escape: The convicts broke loose.
32. cast loose,
a. to loosen or unfasten, as a ship from a mooring.
b. to send forth; set adrift or free: He was cast loose at an early age to make his own way in the world.
33. cut loose,
a. to release from domination or control.
b. to become free, independent, etc.
c. to revel without restraint: After the rodeo they headed into town to cut loose.
34. hang or stay loose, Slang. to remain relaxed and unperturbed.
35. let loose,
a. to free or become free.
b. to yield; give way: The guardrail let loose and we very nearly plunged over the edge.
36. on the loose,
a. free; unconfined, as, esp., an escaped convict or circus animal.
b. behaving in an unrestrained or dissolute way: a bachelor on the loose.
37. turn loose, to release or free, as from confinement: The teacher turned the children loose after the class.
[Origin: 1175–1225; (adj.) ME los, loos < ON lauss loose, free, empty; c. OE léas (see -less), D, G los loose, free; (v.) ME leowsen, lousen, deriv. of the adj.]

—Related forms
loosely, adverb
looseness, noun

—Synonyms 2. unbound, untied, unrestricted, unconfined. 10. libertine, dissolute, licentious. 17. vague, general, indefinite. 20. loosen, unbind. 21. liberate. 25. ease.
—Antonyms 1. bound. 10. chaste. 25. tighten.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

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lose /luz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[looz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, lost, los·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery: I'm sure I've merely misplaced my hat, not lost it.
2. to fail inadvertently to retain (something) in such a way that it cannot be immediately recovered: I just lost a dime under this sofa.
3. to suffer the deprivation of: to lose one's job; to lose one's life.
4. to be bereaved of by death: to lose a sister.
5. to fail to keep, preserve, or maintain: to lose one's balance; to lose one's figure.
6. (of a clock or watch) to run slower by: The watch loses three minutes a day.
7. to give up; forfeit the possession of: to lose a fortune at the gaming table.
8. to get rid of: to lose one's fear of the dark; to lose weight.
9. to bring to destruction or ruin (usually used passively): Ship and crew were lost.
10. to condemn to hell; damn.
11. to have slip from sight, hearing, attention, etc.: to lose him in the crowd.
12. to stray from or become ignorant of (one's way, directions, etc.): to lose one's bearings.
13. to leave far behind in a pursuit, race, etc.; outstrip: She managed to lose the other runners on the final lap of the race.
14. to use to no purpose; waste: to lose time in waiting.
15. to fail to have, get, catch, etc.; miss: to lose a bargain.
16. to fail to win (a prize, stake, etc.): to lose a bet.
17. to be defeated in (a game, lawsuit, battle, etc.): He has lost very few cases in his career as a lawyer.
18. to cause the loss of: The delay lost the battle for them.
19. to let (oneself) go astray, miss the way, etc.: We lost ourselves in the woods.
20. to allow (oneself) to become absorbed or engrossed in something and oblivious to all else: I had lost myself in thought.
21. (of a physician) to fail to preserve the life of (a patient).
22. (of a woman) to fail to be delivered of (a live baby) because of miscarriage, complications in childbirth, etc.
–verb (used without object)
23. to suffer loss: to lose on a contract.
24. to suffer defeat or fail to win, as in a contest, race, or game: We played well, but we lost.
25. to depreciate in effectiveness or in some other essential quality: a classic that loses in translation.
26. (of a clock, watch, etc.) to run slow.
—Verb phrase
27. lose out, to suffer defeat or loss; fail to obtain something desired: He got through the preliminaries, but lost out in the finals.
—Idiom
28. lose face. face (def. 48).
[Origin: bef. 900; ME losen, OE -léosan; r. ME lesen, itself also reflecting OE -léosan; c. G verlieren, Goth fraliusan to lose. See loss]


I'm sorry but this really annoys me for some reason and people use these words wrong a lot. And not only that but you used the incorect word improper grammatically as well. The word you need is 'LOSS'.



lol man it took me a few seconds to realize what you were doing
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
October 11 2007 21:50 GMT
#97
I realized after all this, I care a lot less about WCG than before. I can't get my interest up for a product when the producers clearly don't care either.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
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