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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-08 19:54:02
October 06 2007 09:58 GMT
#41
You can also stop the bug by just manually targeting the obs or anything else or pressing stop.

The bug is not only achieved by a turret building under it either. It can be done from just flying the ob to the top of the turret (if it lives, which it usually can).
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 06 2007 10:13 GMT
#42
Stork would rape EX anyway.

EX got a regame and lost that too. So why do you want to disqualify him omg?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
October 06 2007 10:43 GMT
#43
tasteless is pimp even for me it isn't a serious deal that bug, it is good that someone take this seriously, that's a difference about professional gaming and gaming
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
October 06 2007 14:34 GMT
#44
Umm stupid rule, it does not give that type of unfair advantage, and can be avoided.
Like what if the terran builds a turret under my obs, should I be now responsible to move it elsewhere?

And of course fuck you Tasteless, you should be banned instead.
If you saw it why didn't you stop the game right away and notify the corresponding person that he is about to do something against the law.
Would it ruin the game?
NO.
Would one of the player's get unfair advantage?
NO.
Would it prevent this Disaster from happening?
YES.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28678 Posts
October 06 2007 14:40 GMT
#45
ya this is just another example of rule-makers not knowing the game sufficiently i think
you just have to press s many times and the turret starts firing and observer dies..

and honestly, if someone abuses this through making a turret not work for 5 seconds right before they're zealot bombing, they deserve the advantage:[
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 06 2007 15:00 GMT
#46
mnm is soo sexy!
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-06 15:03:51
October 06 2007 15:03 GMT
#47
Hm, I would argue Stork should be given a warning rather than a DQ, as disqualification for a bug like this which is unlikely to actually change the game does seem a little over the top. Then again, it's also arguably that Stork comes from a system where small rules infractions can have major consequences.
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mstercrack
Profile Joined May 2007
United States43 Posts
October 06 2007 15:10 GMT
#48
wow just wasted stork's time by telling the officials of a pointless bug..
West - Silvertear
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
October 06 2007 15:12 GMT
#49
God some people can be so gay about the rules, no real harm was done to the match so fuck it. Sure rules are rules but that doesn't mean you have to be a bitch about it. If it didn't have effect on the match itself a warning should've been suffiecient, common sense.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
October 06 2007 15:19 GMT
#50
WCG aims to be the standard in competative gaming around the world. If they want to do that, then they have to set rules and abide by them. The rule was broken, there must be action. If you left it at "oh well he was going to win anyway" then you totally undermine the competition. The rules said that the bug was an illegal tactic. The rules stated that the punishment was anywhere from a warning to a disqualification. Its the players responsibility to make sure they know the rules of competition, and it is the organisers and refeerees responsibility to make sure they rules are adhered to. In this case, the rule was broken, an acceptable punishment was handed out. As far as I'm concerned it was handled well.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
October 06 2007 15:45 GMT
#51
WCG doesn't seem to aim for that. They just say they do.

Instead, they want to switch to real life soap of progamers because the games themselves aren't interesting enough for the audience. At least that's what one of the guys said at WCG US.
Commander-Zerg
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada341 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-06 16:19:12
October 06 2007 15:46 GMT
#52
Youtube vid for the game in question or was this the rematch?
Edit: just watched and didn't see turret bug T_T

MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
October 06 2007 15:58 GMT
#53
On October 06 2007 11:24 mahnini wrote:
Don't blame Tasteless. >: [


he's not blaming me, i was there when he wrote this post.

stork was definitely winning in the game vs ex anyways, i asked the refs if the bug was illegal because i was sitting behind stork watching and i saw him do it. Some of the Koreans i asked there said it was illegal in Korean tournaments too. Anyways, i didn't know it was going to cause a shit storm of drama.

I do think it's very important for a tournament to uphold it's rules, regardless of how minor this bug abuse was.
Follow me on twitter: CallMeTasteless
Phleiart
Profile Joined November 2005
52 Posts
October 06 2007 16:08 GMT
#54
yea but then he needs to be given a loose as the rules say!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28678 Posts
October 06 2007 16:10 GMT
#55
i also think it's important to uphold the rules. but disqualifying someone for using a minor bug in a game he would have won anyway and won anyway would be far too harsh of a penalty. making them rematch should be more than sufficient, in fact I think even that is usually going too far, but there needs to be a penalty so that I can agree with.

it's more that there really shouldn't be a rule against that bug. and if there is a rule against both this bug, and say, peonstacking, or even more severe bugs, the penalty for the two cannot be the same.. if someone did a fast flying drone and expanded to an island after 2 minutes of the game, disqualifying them from the entire competition seems proper. but that, and wasting 25/75 to make something that costs 75/0 not work for a temporary period of time, can't really be compared, at all.
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berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
October 06 2007 16:13 GMT
#56
On October 07 2007 01:08 Phleiart wrote:
yea but then he needs to be given a loose as the rules say!


The rules don't say that. The rules say it is up to the referees to determine his punishment. They determined what his punishment was and things moved on. If its not worth arguing about why the rules are in place then its not worth arguing about how the punishments to the rules are handed out.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
October 06 2007 16:19 GMT
#57
On October 07 2007 01:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
i also think it's important to uphold the rules. but disqualifying someone for using a minor bug in a game he would have won anyway and won anyway would be far too harsh of a penalty. making them rematch should be more than sufficient, in fact I think even that is usually going too far, but there needs to be a penalty so that I can agree with.

it's more that there really shouldn't be a rule against that bug. and if there is a rule against both this bug, and say, peonstacking, or even more severe bugs, the penalty for the two cannot be the same.. if someone did a fast flying drone and expanded to an island after 2 minutes of the game, disqualifying them from the entire competition seems proper. but that, and wasting 25/75 to make something that costs 75/0 not work for a temporary period of time, can't really be compared, at all.


i think you missread the post.

the game was disqualified, not the player, stork rematched and won.
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-WGT-Stars-
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States888 Posts
October 06 2007 16:20 GMT
#58
That video is not the game of the observer. I'm a referee this year and I was helping out thru out the whole day. That is not what happened. Storm moved over the observer to the turret thinking it was allowed in WCG. Not knowing that it wasnt, so we made them do a rematch. that is what happened. And it's not a loss because it did not effect game at all. If it affected the game in a certain way then it would of been loss of match.
And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad, The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
October 06 2007 20:31 GMT
#59
Seems to me to be a minor fault by Stork, nice handling by the refs, and imo nothing wrong by Tasteless either. I just read the rules again and it seems to be completely by the book too.
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
October 07 2007 02:25 GMT
#60
On October 06 2007 23:34 LastWish wrote:
Umm stupid rule, it does not give that type of unfair advantage, and can be avoided.
Like what if the terran builds a turret under my obs, should I be now responsible to move it elsewhere?

And of course fuck you Tasteless, you should be banned instead.
If you saw it why didn't you stop the game right away and notify the corresponding person that he is about to do something against the law.
Would it ruin the game?
NO.
Would one of the player's get unfair advantage?
NO.
Would it prevent this Disaster from happening?
YES.


Concerning your first question. If there is a non-hardware related problem in the game, the game is not paused. Players submit a complaint after the match is finished which is what Ex did.

How can you even say that about Tasteless? We, the admin crew, saw it in game and were discussing what to do about it. As soon as the game finished, Ex came over and submitted a complaint. After what seemed to be a bit, the decision was made to regame.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
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