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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3103 Posts
August 11 2022 11:55 GMT
#21
We get the Sharp Royal ramatch at least.
Artosis loves Starcraft
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 11 2022 11:57 GMT
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 11 2022 12:16 GMT
#23
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3103 Posts
August 11 2022 12:16 GMT
#24
Not as good as the first game between them but still a fun game. GG Royal.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2716 Posts
August 11 2022 12:57 GMT
#25
The BO1 format is really stupid. At least make the final match a BO3. I feel like Sharp falls victim for it this time.
So his earlier win against Royal ultimately means nothing if they get matched with each other again in a BO1 (where Sharp got disadvantageous spawning position).

Essentially it becomes them drawing 1-1 for the series, but because Royal beat Miso (tier 4) and Sharp lost to Queen (tier 1) that Royal gets to advance.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 11 2022 13:28 GMT
#26
it only feels unfair because the group played out that way, sharp could have just won both games instead, and I like sharp, always have but he didn't win when he needed to.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-11 13:41:55
August 11 2022 13:41 GMT
#27
On August 11 2022 22:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
it only feels unfair because the group played out that way, sharp could have just won both games instead, and I like sharp, always have but he didn't win when he needed to.

No, if Royal won the first game then lost to Sharp in the final game then it becomes unfair to Royal as well. The group playing out that way shows exactly why the format has problems.

You can say Sharp could have won both games, but that means he has to 2-0 Royal to advance, but Royal only needs to draw 1-1 to advance.

Solution: either make the final match a BO3, or give 1-0 advantage to the player from the winner bracket.

BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-11 16:20:43
August 11 2022 14:42 GMT
#28
the only thing wrong with the Bo1 format right now is that maps are not set for winner's/loser's and final game like they used to.

its an unnecessary variable.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
August 11 2022 16:49 GMT
#29
ro24 should just have a ro16 format and that's it

bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3

full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3

GGs anyway
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13006 Posts
August 12 2022 00:51 GMT
#30
On August 11 2022 22:41 TMNT wrote:
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On August 11 2022 22:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
it only feels unfair because the group played out that way, sharp could have just won both games instead, and I like sharp, always have but he didn't win when he needed to.

No, if Royal won the first game then lost to Sharp in the final game then it becomes unfair to Royal as well. The group playing out that way shows exactly why the format has problems.

You can say Sharp could have won both games, but that means he has to 2-0 Royal to advance, but Royal only needs to draw 1-1 to advance.

Solution: either make the final match a BO3, or give 1-0 advantage to the player from the winner bracket.


It’s fine. Sharp gets the advantage of having two bites of the cherry to advance. That’s his reward for winning game 1 vs royal.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
AttheDriveIn
Profile Joined August 2022
261 Posts
August 12 2022 01:46 GMT
#31
On August 12 2022 01:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
ro24 should just have a ro16 format and that's it

bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3

full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3

GGs anyway


Yep. Bo1 is a joke and a major taint on the tournament series, and a major reason why KCM has become the premier showcase for Brood War.

ASL is still awesome, but yeah, everything up until the Ro16 is just about surviving and dealing with lucksack.

Unfortunately randomizing competition typically makes it more popular (the NFL and MLB are great examples, as well as the NBA's recent play-in tournament) to the masses. It just sucks for hardcore fans.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-12 03:53:06
August 12 2022 03:51 GMT
#32
On August 12 2022 01:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
ro24 should just have a ro16 format and that's it

bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3

full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3

GGs anyway

ASL wants to see some new faces in the final, they have to keep bo1 in Ro24 (a big chance for cheeser, alliner...). After 13 seasons, we have a new face came to the final.

So many maps were created, so many matched were played, so many cheeses were used but nothing can overcome gosu's skill. Winners always are who play better in the 99,9999999% games of ASL and all league/tournament.

But I would like to see Ro24 is bo1/bo1/bo1/bo5/bo5 (Losers should have a BO5 before they go home).
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey729 Posts
August 12 2022 04:50 GMT
#33
BO1 is fine for R24. ASL wants excitement over justice like the maps choice. Player struggle on R24 does not have a chance on R16. Sharp was underdog against Royal.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 12 2022 08:32 GMT
#34
But it's not exactly a straight-out 1-1 draw.

Royal won the final decider game.

Sharp won the game that both players could still afford to lose.

Different stakes, different games. A big-brain player could even deliberately play tricky and suboptimally in the first round of games and save the best build and energy for the decider games (loser or winner).
gg no re thx
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 12 2022 19:20 GMT
#35
Didn't they change format to bo3 for deciders or is it for ro16? I think deciders always must bo3 for future.
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dangthatsright
Profile Joined July 2011
1158 Posts
August 12 2022 20:02 GMT
#36
Winning the initial match and losing the rematch is a matter inherent to dual tournament and double elimination rather than whether the matches happen to be single games or boX (for X > 1). If anything, you can get more lopsided scenarios like a player winning the first match 3-0 but losing the decider 2-3, thus dropping out with a 5-3 map advantage over the person advancing.

There are other good reasons to prefer bo3 or longer, but this particular objection isn't really relevant to that.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
August 13 2022 07:03 GMT
#37
Sharp has crazy ability to come back from a disadvantage with lesser units. Match 2 was a really nice TvT. Too bad not all them could advance.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
August 13 2022 09:47 GMT
#38
On August 13 2022 16:03 Piste wrote:
Sharp has crazy ability to come back from a disadvantage with lesser units. Match 2 was a really nice TvT. Too bad not all them could advance.

Sure, I think Ro24 should allow 4 players in every group that can come to Ro16.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
August 13 2022 11:30 GMT
#39
On August 13 2022 18:47 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2022 16:03 Piste wrote:
Sharp has crazy ability to come back from a disadvantage with lesser units. Match 2 was a really nice TvT. Too bad not all them could advance.

Sure, I think Ro24 should allow 4 players in every group that can come to Ro16.

Exactly
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-13 22:34:16
August 13 2022 22:33 GMT
#40
Stop complaining about best of 1. If not for that, guys like Ggameo would never have made it into the round of 16 (last ASL)! Imagine if round of 24 had been the best of 7 - we would never see any lower class pro ever, and that would be just boring.
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