EPT[ASL14] Ro24 Group C - Page 2
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NoS-Craig
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
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NoS-Craig
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TMNT
3131 Posts
So his earlier win against Royal ultimately means nothing if they get matched with each other again in a BO1 (where Sharp got disadvantageous spawning position). Essentially it becomes them drawing 1-1 for the series, but because Royal beat Miso (tier 4) and Sharp lost to Queen (tier 1) that Royal gets to advance. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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TMNT
3131 Posts
On August 11 2022 22:28 BLinD-RawR wrote: it only feels unfair because the group played out that way, sharp could have just won both games instead, and I like sharp, always have but he didn't win when he needed to. No, if Royal won the first game then lost to Sharp in the final game then it becomes unfair to Royal as well. The group playing out that way shows exactly why the format has problems. You can say Sharp could have won both games, but that means he has to 2-0 Royal to advance, but Royal only needs to draw 1-1 to advance. Solution: either make the final match a BO3, or give 1-0 advantage to the player from the winner bracket. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
its an unnecessary variable. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4244 Posts
bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3 full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3 GGs anyway | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13358 Posts
On August 11 2022 22:41 TMNT wrote: No, if Royal won the first game then lost to Sharp in the final game then it becomes unfair to Royal as well. The group playing out that way shows exactly why the format has problems. You can say Sharp could have won both games, but that means he has to 2-0 Royal to advance, but Royal only needs to draw 1-1 to advance. Solution: either make the final match a BO3, or give 1-0 advantage to the player from the winner bracket. It’s fine. Sharp gets the advantage of having two bites of the cherry to advance. That’s his reward for winning game 1 vs royal. | ||
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AttheDriveIn
261 Posts
On August 12 2022 01:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote: ro24 should just have a ro16 format and that's it bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3 full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3 GGs anyway Yep. Bo1 is a joke and a major taint on the tournament series, and a major reason why KCM has become the premier showcase for Brood War. ASL is still awesome, but yeah, everything up until the Ro16 is just about surviving and dealing with lucksack. Unfortunately randomizing competition typically makes it more popular (the NFL and MLB are great examples, as well as the NBA's recent play-in tournament) to the masses. It just sucks for hardcore fans. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On August 12 2022 01:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote: ro24 should just have a ro16 format and that's it bo1/bo1/bo3/bo3/bo3 full bo1 is too harsh and volatile, imo. especially considering that the qualification groups are full bo3 GGs anyway ASL wants to see some new faces in the final, they have to keep bo1 in Ro24 (a big chance for cheeser, alliner...). After 13 seasons, we have a new face came to the final. So many maps were created, so many matched were played, so many cheeses were used but nothing can overcome gosu's skill. Winners always are who play better in the 99,9999999% games of ASL and all league/tournament. But I would like to see Ro24 is bo1/bo1/bo1/bo5/bo5 (Losers should have a BO5 before they go home). | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey770 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
Royal won the final decider game. Sharp won the game that both players could still afford to lose. Different stakes, different games. A big-brain player could even deliberately play tricky and suboptimally in the first round of games and save the best build and energy for the decider games (loser or winner). | ||
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outscar
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dangthatsright
1160 Posts
There are other good reasons to prefer bo3 or longer, but this particular objection isn't really relevant to that. | ||
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Piste
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On August 13 2022 16:03 Piste wrote: Sharp has crazy ability to come back from a disadvantage with lesser units. Match 2 was a really nice TvT. Too bad not all them could advance. Sure, I think Ro24 should allow 4 players in every group that can come to Ro16. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
On August 13 2022 18:47 bovienchien wrote: Sure, I think Ro24 should allow 4 players in every group that can come to Ro16. Exactly | ||
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Artas1984
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