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 Russia Puts in Money
Our wonderful Sponsor: eSport.Fund aka Rus_Brain decided that he wants to motivate players to grind up in the BSL12 ladder even more.
Thanks why he is funding goal:- 🟥Anyone who will get 2,700 MMR on BSL12-Nickname gets $1000.*
*Those who made 2,700 are considered to meet minimal games goal, whatever score they have.
TOP MMR so far:
1.  Bonyth - 2485 MMR - 20 games; (12.04)
Update 1: trutaCz - 2490 MMR - 80 games (13.04)
Update 2: Dewalt - 2643 MMR - 85 games (16.04)
Update 3: Dewalt - 2722 MMR - 108 games (20.04)
FULL RANKING
📌How I can start playing in BSL12?
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Let's all thank for this great way of support ! I'm sure players will appraciate this form of motivation a lot!
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Russian Federation181 Posts
fuck, again this Russian Mafia challenge!
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niCe
~_~ 1.000$ sure is enticing
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Wasnt your last ladder challenge for 2600mmr Brain? Why the increase? You afraid of South American mmr inflation? 
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I think this may be a bit too easy to reach for eon's protoss.. should be at least 2800, imo.
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On April 13 2021 06:14 Cele wrote:
Wasnt your last ladder challenge for 2600mmr Brain? It was 2.7k
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Going to be some fierce competition, especially coming from North America where the ladder is equally as hard as other regions. Gogo
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On April 13 2021 06:39 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2021 06:14 Cele wrote:
Wasnt your last ladder challenge for 2600mmr Brain? It was 2.7k
Ook
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thank you! glhf 
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thanks man, you are amazing < 3
but i think 2700 MMR is even too much for lower tier pro gamers and top amateurs....
2700 is atm top15 ladder.
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Dewalt has an account atm with 2575 points. Some few more wins and its cashtime 
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Awesome idea. Generous reward. Thanks Rus_Brain!
Good luck interested contestants! I am sure all foreign S rankers who are aware of this offer have it in the backs of their minds while they're laddering now <3
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On April 14 2021 01:53 dsaqwe.. wrote:thanks man, you are amazing < 3 but i think 2700 MMR is even too much for lower tier pro gamers and top amateurs.... 2700 is atm top15 ladder.
If it was easy it wouldn't be a challenge right? :D
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On April 14 2021 01:53 dsaqwe.. wrote:
but i think 2700 MMR is even too much for lower tier pro gamers and top amateurs.... Sorry, payment for blood and sweat only.
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An annual best foreign player award/title (monetary or not) would be cool too, however defined/measured 
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We getting closer: "BSL-NotMarwin" is at 2618 MMR with 21win and 0 loses.
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On April 14 2021 20:59 earob84 wrote:
We getting closer: "BSL-NotMarwin" is at 2618 MMR with 21win and 0 loses.
BSL and not BSL12 makes it ineligible!
:3
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On April 14 2021 06:22 ox.tQ wrote:An annual best foreign player award/title (monetary or not) would be cool too, however defined/measured
Major Cup Winners Cup every year at the very end would be cool
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On April 14 2021 06:22 ox.tQ wrote:An annual best foreign player award/title (monetary or not) would be cool too, however defined/measured
i'd submit scan with a mustache disguise for nostalgia's sake
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BSL-NotMarwin has won vs Queen yesterday omg congrats !!
Now he stands at 2607 rating !
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Because it's Scan playing under this ID
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On April 15 2021 17:21 Dewaltoss wrote:Because it's Scan playing under this ID
Plus it's "BSL" not "BSL12" too, I think
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Seems like carrying the BSL tag gives free point on ladder these days, some annoyed Koreans just leaving the games upon seeing it lol.
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Scan asked me to borrow my account just to support BSL and inspire other people to climb higher.
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On April 15 2021 21:25 marwin wrote:
Scan asked me to borrow my account just to support BSL and inspire other people to climb higher.
Lel
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Pff... Says a lot about the 2 players (no news from Scan's side ofc). I'm wondering whether (others) defending Marwin in BWCL was justified or not. This kind of behaviour makes you think...
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On April 15 2021 21:25 marwin wrote:
Scan asked me to borrow my account just to support BSL and inspire other people to climb higher.
GG WP
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This kind of behaviour makes you think...
Dude, you'd better think for yourself saying "F*ck you idiot" every time you lose the game :D
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Hello, I'm always standing in the middle and checking out Foreign and Korean scene.
I enjoy watching BSL stream from time to time and see how players are playing.
I supported and gave some advices to couple of BSL players last season(I won't name them), but unfortunately they couldn't make it far.
I started playing on BSL12-NotMarwin on April 8th.
Not a lot of people were actually playing much games on BSL tag as well when I looked at the ranking list.
I wanted to inspire BSL players by reaching top rank with the BSL tag that is not registered.
This announcement came out couple days later and things just became a coincidence so I wanted to clarify this part.
I do not want to offend anyone, I just wanted to support from distance without breaking any rules.
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On April 15 2021 23:14 marwin wrote:Dude, you'd better think for yourself saying "F*ck you idiot" every time you lose the game :D
Yeah, like the 2 is in the same category.
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On April 15 2021 23:52 LaStScan wrote:
Hello, I'm always standing in the middle and checking out Foreign and Korean scene.
I enjoy watching BSL stream from time to time and see how players are playing.
I supported and gave some advices to couple of BSL players last season(I won't name them), but unfortunately they couldn't make it far.
I started playing on BSL12-NotMarwin on April 8th.
Not a lot of people were actually playing much games on BSL tag as well when I looked at the ranking list.
I wanted to inspire BSL players by reaching top rank with the BSL tag that is not registered.
This announcement came out couple days later and things just became a coincidence so I wanted to clarify this part.
I do not want to offend anyone, I just wanted to support from distance without breaking any rules.
Great Scan! Please keep on playing to Top Rank with BSL12- name! Its a good support for BSL to see someone with the Tag at the Top of Ladder
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BSL rules obviously don't get enforced but even still this is pretty pathetic
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I don't get it why you guys are whining about Scan playing on this nick.
He is not participating in this challenge so why do you even care about it?
It's cool to see BSL account so high.
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dewaltuuuu dangerously close
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I don't see a problem that Scan plays on BSL12 nickname, I can't forbid everyone to create nickname with this prefix, it's a free world (at least for this). There are obvious rules who can qualify to BSL12.
 Dewalt -> 2643 MMR !
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/mg4ZnzJ.png)
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EonZerg is back? glad to see you so high again. Best of luck to him
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Zzzero: it's not that. Scan was playing with marwin's blizzard account.
So what happened is: Bonyth is playing ladder on stream, meets BSL12-NotMarwin, which profile is connected to marwin's blizzard account with which he can easily register to bsl. At first this screams account sharing (which is a reason that got (registered) players banned from BSL). So you can see why some people found this "strange" to say the least.
But he did not register the account so as father said, you can't really punish anything.
I think this is totally different than just any korean pro gamer creating a BSL12-nickname profile which of course is ok, who cares.
If you want to "inspire" players for BSL (as per scan's explanation) why are you using marwin's blizzard account?... You could use your own.
Just wanted to make it clear. I'm out of this conversation.
Good luck to all competitors!
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Maybe too many profiles already, and not wanting to delete any? That happens.
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It is indeed strange to play on someone else account instead of your own. However if the plan is to register the account later to qualify for BSL, no one would be that stupid to push the mmr so high that it becomes suspicious.
Also, if Scan made another profile with BSL12 tag, everyone can see it is him and ask "why would you do that". So what's the point really?
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Since organizer is aware of whom is paying and nothing disturbs him, that's fine for me as player and double-fine as observer.
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On April 16 2021 23:36 Szinkler wrote:
Zzzero: it's not that. Scan was playing with marwin's blizzard account.
So what happened is: Bonyth is playing ladder on stream, meets BSL12-NotMarwin, which profile is connected to marwin's blizzard account with which he can easily register to bsl. At first this screams account sharing (which is a reason that got (registered) players banned from BSL). So you can see why some people found this "strange" to say the least.
But he did not register the account so as father said, you can't really punish anything.
I think this is totally different than just any korean pro gamer creating a BSL12-nickname profile which of course is ok, who cares.
If you want to "inspire" players for BSL (as per scan's explanation) why are you using marwin's blizzard account?... You could use your own.
Just wanted to make it clear. I'm out of this conversation.
Good luck to all competitors!
WAIT, WHAT ?
I need to investigate that, cuz I though that it's simple BSL12-Account by some bored korean, but it's much more complicated bullshit.
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Mihu reached 2700 on April 14, and got about 2.5K USD prize from his fans club.
Later he got 2800+ and ranked #3 on ladder, including 3 wins in a row against Ss1nz.(Sanpao reviewed 3 reps https://b23.tv/CejBaM )
He played with barcode id under account “houshifu”.
Stream/vod: https://v.douyin.com/ehew5h6/
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![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/3Srnw75/IMG-20210420-191830-010.jpg) gg
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Wow great job Dewalt. Nice skill level. Well deserved.
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Wow Dewalt is an absolute beast.
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Completely bonkers - well done Dewalt!
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Congratulations Mr Dewalt
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On April 21 2021 00:22 Rus_Brain wrote:gg
Challenge is still open though, right?
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On April 21 2021 01:14 kogeT wrote:Challenge is still open though, right?
yes
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On April 21 2021 01:14 kogeT wrote:Challenge is still open though, right? Till the end of bsl 12 ladder stage.
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Dewalt grinding and earning bucks...nice
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On April 20 2021 12:01 sc19980331 wrote:Mihu reached 2700 on April 14, and got about 2.5K USD prize from his fans club. Later he got 2800+ and ranked #3 on ladder, including 3 wins in a row against Ss1nz.(Sanpao reviewed 3 reps https://b23.tv/CejBaM ) He played with barcode id under account “houshifu”. Stream/vod: https://v.douyin.com/ehew5h6/
if he would've done it under BSL12- tag he'd have gotten some more $$$, unfortunate for mihu. Why isnt the top chinese players participating in BSL?
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Well done! 
GGs
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yeah, why are the chinese players not taking part in BSL?
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On April 21 2021 04:55 earob84 wrote:
yeah, why are the chinese players not taking part in BSL?
I also wonder this..
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i think chinese have their own leagues imo
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I hope you guys aren't seriously encouraging Chinese players to participate in foreign events, we have enough lag as it is thank you very much.
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So in other words Dewalt can create a new account with the BSL12 tag and get paid again?
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On April 21 2021 08:02 Leonix wrote:
So in other words Dewalt can create a new account with the BSL12 tag and get paid again?
somehow I doubt that
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One player wins. If two or more players will get over 2700 MMR, player with least amount of games wins.
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Update 3: Dewalt - 2722 MMR - 108 games (20.04)
... jesus
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On April 21 2021 04:55 earob84 wrote:
yeah, why are the chinese players not taking part in BSL? Because they lag as hell
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On April 21 2021 08:02 Leonix wrote:
So in other words Dewalt can create a new account with the BSL12 tag and get paid again? He cannot
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On April 21 2021 08:35 ZZZero.O wrote:
One player wins. If two or more players will get over 2700 MMR, player with least amount of games wins. Small remark. We have not discussed that with ZZZero which caused confusion. I'm eager to pay everyone who get 2,700+ whichever amount of players that should be, provided that such player takes part in BSL.
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GG Dewalt.
Whenever I catch his stream it seems that he still has latency issues with Koreans on ladder despite being in the best proximity to KOR out of all foreigners.
Has he achieved this in bad lag too? Unless he got free-wins 50% of the time this is even more impressive than getting that MMR in TR20+.
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2722 MMR and he still loss to terror 0-5 and vs bonyth 0-3 .Weird shit tbh . Mb bonyth and terror are 3k MMR xd
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On April 21 2021 16:08 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2021 08:35 ZZZero.O wrote:
One player wins. If two or more players will get over 2700 MMR, player with least amount of games wins. Small remark. We have not discussed that with ZZZero which caused confusion. I'm eager to pay everyone who get 2,700+ whichever amount of players that should be, provided that such player takes part in BSL.
I misunderstood this rule of Rus_Brain then:
*Those who made 2,700 are considered to meet minimal games goal, whatever score they have.
It's even greater then, the competition is still going on.
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About Scan and Marwin situation.
I have talked with both of them and tried to understand their point of view and mindset.
Marwin perspective tldr:
Scan was helping him with his builds, game play + they are friends, so he didn't see a problem in sharing account, he thought that it will serve a greater good (supporting and promoting BSL) and didn't expect that it will break any rules.
Scans perspective tldr:
He wanted to support BSL by playing on BSL account, but didn't want to create one on his own account, because then everyone would know that it's him. (Korean getting above 2700 MMR is nothing great).
My perspective:
Scan is not allowed to play in BSL anyway, so I'm looking at this situation only from Marwin perspective. No matter how bad this situation looks, Marwin didn't break any BSL rules(If Scan didn't play any of his BSL12-M games) (I'm not counting Blizzard End User Licence Agreement). We are allowing people to play on smurfs if they will report that to us. He wasn't playing in BSL12 on smurf on his account and Scan didn't register to BSL-website.
My mistake was to not read this thread carefully - I was having days off because of my 30 bdays and was only organizing and streaming BSL tours and added promo posts, not much more. So they could assume that since I do not react to this situation, their behaviour is completely OK. Only after reading Szinkler's post I realized what's going on and started acting.
Most important questions imo
1. How do we know that Scan wasn't playing on Marwin BSL Account ?
I got all the replays from BSL12-M (Marwin) ladder and all the replays from BSL12-NotMarwin (Scan) - will compare them today evening.
2. How do we know that Scan will not play for Marwin if Marwin will qualify to BSL12 ?
Well, we never can't be sure with anyone about that. But in this situation since I have plenty of Scans and Marwins replays, it will be much easier to discover by binds.
3. Am I the person to punish people for sharing their Blizzard account ?
Definitely not, I'm not in the position nor have resources to do it.
4. Am I the person to punish people for sharing their Blizzard account while playing BSL ?
Definitely yes. I banned players for that already(And will ban). But they were actually playing for someone else to qualify to BSL, registered on website and were trying to hide it, during the explanations they denied until I showed proof etc.
3. Are all these circumstances mitigating enough that I should not ban Marwin from BSL ?
In my opinion yes. Probably will get punished by some blood thirsty fans, but that's my decision.
Maybe I'm naive but Marwin and Scan seems honest to me while I was investigating this situation. They did what they did and they are aware of it. I consider it as a stupid mistake, because I don't see anything bad in Scan creating his BSL12 account and playin on it, the bad thing was that he used account of someone who was also playing in BSL. Anyway, they weren't trying to hide anything from me, when I started asking questions, they provided me with all the info, answered all my questions, sent replays and screenshots right away.(Scan could not care, since he is not allowed to play in BSL, but he shared all 74 replays anyway). They also told me that If I will tell them to stop they will and they will never do it again.
This situation shows lacks and holes in BSL Rules. I'm always trying to make rules which I will be able to implement, every added rule requires time to enforce it. But not adding some of them is only my mistake, I learn about things I didn't think of every season. I do believe that these are also downsides of ladder qualifications, no matter how much much better it is than regular qualifiers(for players skill). If we will ever come back with Season 13, then qualifications will be only on real nicknames, smurfs will not be allowed, because it opens up area for abuse. I will also need to update BSL rules significantly.
If I will discover something weird in the replays, I will get back here.
I hope my English was good enough to explain what was my though process.
Cheers,
Edit 1.
Scan's perspective quote:
"I'm not planning to break rules and join foreign leagues. I read rules carefully and join the only tournaments that are ALLOWED. I have no bad intention to mess around your BSL tournament. All I wanted were
1) inspiration for BSL players to play more ladder
2) putting BSL tag name on the top ladder rank(Korean community will be curious foreign ID on top rank list)
3) ID was created on April 8th. $1000 challenge was announced later on"
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On April 21 2021 23:39 ZZZero.O wrote:
About Scan and Marwin situation.
I have talked with both of them and tried to understand their point of view and mindset.
Marwin perspective tldr:
Scan was helping him with his builds, game play + they are friends, so he didn't see a problem in sharing account, he thought that it will serve a greater good (supporting and promoting BSL) and didn't expect that it will break any rules.
Scans perspective tldr:
He wanted to support BSL by playing on BSL account, but didn't want to create one on his own account, because then everyone would know that it's him. (Korean getting above 2700 MMR is nothing great).
My perspective:
Scan is not allowed to play in BSL anyway, so I'm looking at this situation only from Marwin perspective. No matter how bad this situation looks, Marwin didn't break any BSL rules(If Scan didn't play any of his BSL12-M games) (I'm not counting Blizzard End User Licence Agreement). We are allowing people to play on smurfs if they will report that to us. He wasn't playing in BSL12 on smurf on his account and Scan didn't register to BSL-website.
My mistake was to not read this thread carefully - I was having days off because of my 30 bdays and was only organizing and streaming BSL tours and added promo posts, not much more. So they could assume that since I do not react to this situation, their behaviour is completely OK. Only after reading Szinkler's post I realized what's going on and started acting.
Most important questions imo
1. How do we know that Scan wasn't playing on Marwin BSL Account ?
I got all the replays from BSL12-M (Marwin) ladder and all the replays from BSL12-NotMarwin (Scan) - will compare them today evening.
2. How do we know that Scan will not play for Marwin if Marwin will qualify to BSL12 ?
Well, we never can't be sure with anyone about that. But in this situation since I have plenty of Scans and Marwins replays, it will be much easier to discover by binds.
3. Am I the person to punish people for sharing their Blizzard account ?
Definitely not, I'm not in the position nor have resources to do it.
4. Am I the person to punish people for sharing their Blizzard account while playing BSL ?
Definitely yes. I banned players for that already(And will ban). But they were actually playing for someone else to qualify to BSL, registered on website and were trying to hide it, during the explanations they denied until I showed proof etc.
3. Are all these circumstances mitigating enough that I should not ban Marwin from BSL ?
In my opinion yes. Probably will get punished by some blood thirsty fans, but that's my decision.
Maybe I'm naive but Marwin and Scan seems honest to me while I was investigating this situation. They did what they did and they are aware of it. I consider it as a stupid mistake, because I don't see anything bad in Scan creating his BSL12 account and playin on it, the bad thing was that he used account of someone who was also playing in BSL. Anyway, they weren't trying to hide anything from me, when I started asking questions, they provided me with all the info, answered all my questions, sent replays and screenshots right away.(Scan could not care, since he is not allowed to play in BSL, but he shared all 74 replays anyway). They also told me that If I will tell them to stop they will and they will never do it again.
This situation shows lacks and holes in BSL Rules. I'm always trying to make rules which I will be able to implement, every added rule requires time to enforce it. But not adding some of them is only my mistake, I learn about things I didn't think of every season. I do believe that these are also downsides of ladder qualifications, no matter how much much better it is than regular qualifiers(for players skill). If we will ever come back with Season 13, then qualifications will be only on real nicknames, smurfs will not be allowed, because it opens up area for abuse. I will also need to update BSL rules significantly.
If I will discover something weird in the replays, I will get back here.
I hope my English was good enough to explain what was my though process.
Cheers,
Very well handled! The Perfect Admin does it again :D
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From the facts you represented, i'd come to the same conclusion if i had to make that choice.
I think its a good idea to not allow smurf in the future for the same reasons you pointed out.
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@ZZZero since everyone here already knows that bsl12-notmarwin is not a Marwin, and account not subject to enter the tournament it's fine.
Admins possess additional information now that Scan may be playing on Marwin's account. This implies extra labor on admins if Marwin will patriciate in BSL and qualify. Extra labour to get all replays and check whether it was Marwin playing indeed. Now the case is short to this:
- an extra labor is very unwanted and should have been avoided => enact a ban,
- an extra labor is insignificant and negligible => dismiss the case.
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A point that would be interesting to look at is the fact that the "hidden" MMR of your Battlenet account is shared on all your SC ones, meaning if you re S rank and make a 2nd account, you ll play at around the same MMR, as opposed to a "truly new" account.
So if Scan played after Marwin already played all his games/had his placement I guess it s fine. But otherwise it would make Marwin play higher level opponents faster, thereby getting placed higher as a result after those 5 games (I m sorry if this is unclear).
Agreed that this may or may not be relevant given the number of games required, but there is indeed a relationship between Scan and Marwin s account that way.
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I think the solution is pretty simple: let's forget about this.
And to Scan and Marwin: That's not funny, so don't do it again.
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On April 15 2021 22:10 Szinkler wrote:
Pff... Says a lot about the 2 players (no news from Scan's side ofc). I'm wondering whether (others) defending Marwin in BWCL was justified or not. This kind of behaviour makes you think...
Dude , please.
Ran into you countless times on ladder and u ALWAYS bitch and insult me randomly.
U want to talk about behaviour and what is right? xD
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On April 21 2021 19:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
2722 MMR and he still loss to terror 0-5 and vs bonyth 0-3 .Weird shit tbh . Mb bonyth and terror are 3k MMR xd
U can watch the games in his stream 😁
Its ok yo say congratz
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Hey Rus_Brain
Would you mind extending the deadline for the challange for additional period of time or until the ladder season finishes? I was 35 away from 2700 and couldn't make it due to short challange time. My father half asks you of this, since I'm sure u know how much time kids can devour.
Hope to see positive answer in the morning : )
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On April 25 2021 08:56 Bonyth wrote:
Hey Rus_Brain
Would you mind extending the deadline for the challange for additional period of time or until the ladder season finishes? Let's extend until the Victory Day ☺️
Consider that your birthday present
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This is truly a victory, and now it's up to me to make it a double victory = )
Thanks for the present. I'm just wondering, if u just happened to answer me today, or perhaps saw the post in the past, checked how old of a father i am before replying, and then saw an opportunity to give me the answer later :D
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