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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 20 2020 14:22 GMT
#321
This was both a nice but also painful series to watch. I feel like Rush could've played better, but that might also be because Flash prepared really well and things worked out too like that last game. I think the closest was the first game, but Rush either didn't expect a 2 port (odd since the map seems to favour air imo) or his build didn't have goliath that fast. I would love to hear Flash's thoughts on that game in particular.

The second game was interesting insofar as seeing how Flash played the matchup. I remember reading through the LR and seeing people talk about how he was sacrificing units or whatever. Thing is, this is all planned by Flash. Rush was a in great spot when the vulture drops+vulture run-in at the exp took place. However, he neglected his defense at home and paid a heavy price for it. Flash likely figured that it's worth it to lose the shuttle+reaver and kill a ridiculous amount of SCVs which in turn will even or give him an advantage. What did he do with that? He got further ahead and Rush just sacrificed most of his army in that earlier drop so he couldn't do a push.

Let's not talk about game three haha.

On October 20 2020 16:44 Barneyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2020 12:35 Golgotha wrote:
"how is he landing those scarab hits so well?!"
"his reaver's actually land all their shots, wow."


I really didn't get this part of the game, in 90% of cases when we see reaver drops the scarab is targeted to a worker that it can't reach and it just messes about before it duds.

Did Flash do something special to get several nice hits like that? Did he know what SCV to target specifically better than many protoss players as he is terran and he knows exactly how SCVs are pulled?
Or did he just get lucky with the reavers auto-targeting?
Or did Rush make any mistakes in how he pulled his SCVs?

I can't remember ever seeing any one drop their reavers and have a 100% connect rate like that against someone that pulls them.

Rush was in a nice position but that reaver was insane and after that it felt like it was just a matter of time before Flash won.

Crazy to see Flash dominate like this.

I think he targeted the SCV closest to the reaver and seeing as they are all bunched up, he got a lot of kills. I think it was a combination of positioning and great targeting that netted him such crazy kills with a single reaver and made sure that the chances of a dud are low, if non-existent. It also makes me wonder if some of our protoss players will utilize such methods in their own drops.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
October 20 2020 15:48 GMT
#322
Flash slowly killing off the Terran race.
First he forces Z/P to elevate their vT matchup to an extent that facing a T other than Flash (and maybe some exceptions like Last) is a walk in the park.
And now he's literally showing other races how to beat Terran.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
October 21 2020 06:05 GMT
#323
makes me wonder if eventually there will be another random player and we'll have random vs random lol
POGGERS
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3751 Posts
October 21 2020 08:08 GMT
#324
Flash playing Random is the best thing that happened to this game since Flash and Jaedong traded blows in starleagues.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
October 21 2020 15:40 GMT
#325
Game 3 was actually very smart from Flash, he went super greedy the first 2 games which sort of baited rush to cheese him.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
October 22 2020 00:50 GMT
#326
On October 21 2020 15:05 konadora wrote:
makes me wonder if eventually there will be another random player and we'll have random vs random lol

I bet within 3 seasons (if we have them) there'll be 2rnds at the same time in the ASL
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 22 2020 01:33 GMT
#327
On October 22 2020 09:50 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2020 15:05 konadora wrote:
makes me wonder if eventually there will be another random player and we'll have random vs random lol

I bet within 3 seasons (if we have them) there'll be 2rnds at the same time in the ASL

That's pretty easy: Flash plays random again and Bishop makes it into ASL as random through quals. There's your 2 randoms lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
October 22 2020 08:09 GMT
#328
On October 20 2020 23:22 BigFan wrote:
I think he targeted the SCV closest to the reaver and seeing as they are all bunched up, he got a lot of kills. I think it was a combination of positioning and great targeting that netted him such crazy kills with a single reaver and made sure that the chances of a dud are low, if non-existent. It also makes me wonder if some of our protoss players will utilize such methods in their own drops.


That is sort of what I was thinking as well, but why don't protoss players do that more? It just sounds a bit to simple.

Maybe Rush was a bit slow and mismanaged his pulls and defense a bit? He made it to easy for Flash to just land right in the conga line?
nah
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
October 22 2020 08:55 GMT
#329
On October 22 2020 17:09 Barneyk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 23:22 BigFan wrote:
I think he targeted the SCV closest to the reaver and seeing as they are all bunched up, he got a lot of kills. I think it was a combination of positioning and great targeting that netted him such crazy kills with a single reaver and made sure that the chances of a dud are low, if non-existent. It also makes me wonder if some of our protoss players will utilize such methods in their own drops.


That is sort of what I was thinking as well, but why don't protoss players do that more? It just sounds a bit to simple.

Maybe Rush was a bit slow and mismanaged his pulls and defense a bit? He made it to easy for Flash to just land right in the conga line?


What I noticed is other Protosses will fly their shuttle as far away from the tanks as possible before firing at the scvs which increases the chance of a dud since the reaver is further. What Flash did was intentionally fly his shuttle nearer to the scv line and targetting the middle of the line to maximize chances of damage. The risk is that your shuttle/reaver might get picked off but Flash had just one thing in mind which is to maximise damage.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4028 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-22 15:38:05
October 22 2020 15:02 GMT
#330
On October 21 2020 00:48 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Flash slowly killing off the Terran race.
First he forces Z/P to elevate their vT matchup to an extent that facing a T other than Flash (and maybe some exceptions like Last) is a walk in the park.
And now he's literally showing other races how to beat Terran.


I know this is just an ironic post, but it does have lots of merit.
1. His TvT is on a level, that any terran facing Flash (in previous ASLs) is eliminated
2. He did (indirectly) force P and Z to elevate their vsT games so that the bar is higher for other Ts
3. And now not that he "reinvents" how to play P or Z, and not to say that current P/Z players are unskilled, but maybe trying some "other" strategies or playing off-meta makes it crazier for T's in terms of preparation

Speculation? Certainly, but a fun one if anything
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