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[ASL8] Grand Finals - Flash vs Snow - Page 26

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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
September 03 2019 02:26 GMT
#501
On September 03 2019 10:21 sM.Zik wrote:
I'm just stunned that FlaSh only apparent tiny weakness might be against Zergs, he makes TvP looks so easy.

Yet the balance whining between P and Z is incomparable.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
September 03 2019 02:33 GMT
#502
I flew to Korea to watch this finals, and it was an enthralling experience. Despite the one-sided result, it was a beauty to watch Flash play his god-level TvP, the matchup that initially launched him to fame, on the biggest stage for the last time. What a great way for the greatest player of all time to go out.

Afreeca really puts a lot of work into the production quality of the ASL and I'm really grateful that there is still this level of dedication to BW in 2019. The passion that goes into this game was palpable when I was sitting in the stands. I wish I could better articulate how lucky I feel to have been able to experience this moment in BW history.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 03:14:29
September 03 2019 03:12 GMT
#503
On September 02 2019 12:56 Dante08 wrote:
Snow is more of an early to mid game player in PvT, utilizing reavers and various Protoss tricks to gain an advantage then smashing Terran in late game but his actual late game PvT is not that great. From the games I've seen Flash play only Best and sometimes Stork give Flash trouble in late game. As you've seen in the series Flash got into the late game pretty comfortably and was able to crush through.


It feels like a lot of protoss have forgotten how to execute old fashioned late game pvt versus giant tank armies with the depots etc.

Though yeah it doesn't count with Flash. He just looks flawless.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
lpajax
Profile Joined September 2019
3 Posts
September 03 2019 03:30 GMT
#504
Any idea when Afreeca is going to post the final? it has been close to 48 hrs trying to stay spoiler free which is pretty much "mission impossible" and is also frustrating.
thanks
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
September 03 2019 03:49 GMT
#505
On September 03 2019 12:30 lpajax wrote:
Any idea when Afreeca is going to post the final? it has been close to 48 hrs trying to stay spoiler free which is pretty much "mission impossible" and is also frustrating.
thanks

You are doing it wrong, game was uploaded soon after the finals in Afreeca and youtube. Of course Youtube blocked it but you can find it in afreeca platform. The link is somewhere in this thread, or you may just make a search in afreeca for "aslenglish". I know because I saw it that way.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
September 03 2019 04:44 GMT
#506
It sorta sucks that flash's last tournament win was such a bulldozer, but then again it makes total sense. He's the GOAT, a god among mortals. His play is so perfect he makes it look like there's nothing P can ever do to win vs Terran.

With his retirement we really are losing a lot :\ . Thanks for showing us what's possible Flash. Hope you recover your health and go through your military service smoothly.
Free Palestine
lpajax
Profile Joined September 2019
3 Posts
September 03 2019 05:17 GMT
#507
thanks Malongo.

anyone know a way to get the time and time bar away on afreeca?
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 05:32:57
September 03 2019 05:31 GMT
#508
so how can someone with these kinds of injuries be suited for the militairy ?

well i guess the injuries will just slowly pass over when he doesn't has to be behind a keyboard allday. pumping out insane apm.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
September 03 2019 05:48 GMT
#509
On September 03 2019 14:31 onlystar wrote:
so how can someone with these kinds of injuries be suited for the militairy ?

well i guess the injuries will just slowly pass over when he doesn't has to be behind a keyboard allday. pumping out insane apm.


military doesnt mean everyone is a foot soldier. lower medical grade- >some 9-5 desk job in the civil service
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
September 03 2019 06:21 GMT
#510
On September 02 2019 00:40 lepape wrote:
Those two tanks sieging the hidden expo in game 3, waiting there for 2 minutes while the 4 Dragoons walked the long path to reach them, then he unsieged and left two seconds before the Dragoons were in line of sight. Any other Terran in the world would have lost those tanks.

Every game seemed like Flash was maphacking. Unbelievable game sense and timing with his pushes.

that gave me chills
www.twitch.tv/varanice
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1461 Posts
September 03 2019 15:18 GMT
#511
On September 03 2019 10:21 sM.Zik wrote:
I'm just stunned that FlaSh only apparent tiny weakness might be against Zergs, he makes TvP looks so easy.


TvZ might be his strongest matchup.

Between his two 2-3 losses to EffOrt (Korean Air Starleague 2010 and ASL6), Flash only lost one TvZ series. That was almost a decade of being undefeated outside of Bo1s.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 17:54:54
September 03 2019 17:49 GMT
#512
This series was something. I haven't watched much BW since the last ASL and decided to watch Flash's final tournament finals and he squashed Snow like a bug haha. Granted, watching Snow's play, it felt obvious that he was playing subpar from his usual? His micro in game 1 and the constant vulture drops/runbys or the odd recalls etc... Unlike ASL5 where his play felt on point. Must've been his nerves. On the other hand, Flash defended well and played mostly fantastically throughout the whole series to cap off another finals and is now 3-3-4.

Well played Flash. Rough for Snow fans. Would still recommend the finals though and hopefully we see Flash play 1v1 in the future again. This win further confirms that Flash is the GOAT in BW, above Nada and the rest. The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1560 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 19:34:15
September 03 2019 19:33 GMT
#513
On September 04 2019 00:18 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 10:21 sM.Zik wrote:
I'm just stunned that FlaSh only apparent tiny weakness might be against Zergs, he makes TvP looks so easy.


TvZ might be his strongest matchup.


For sure, this race don't have players of EffOrt's calibre. Protoss getting wrecked is a good thing for Earth and Mankind in general.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Nukid
Profile Joined April 2010
United States240 Posts
September 03 2019 22:03 GMT
#514
I stayed up late to watch this final because it might be Flash's final tournament and I'm glad I watched it. Congratulation to Flash.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5215 Posts
September 03 2019 22:07 GMT
#515
While there's no point in now saying how Snow should've done it right on Tripod, this Stork v Flash game from this other thread shows perhaps Snow was just missing some deeper thoughts / understanding of BW & PvT.

Here we can see Stork killing all but the middle egg, which makes it easier for dragoons but tanks still trip over. Also, he had standing army while going for the carriers expanding to both directions keeping the one further.

The pylon stop at the third, untaken main base was genius move as well.

Don't misunderstand me, I know this game is nothing like it would have been were they playing offline but there are still some example steps here that show how to lead win v Flash.

(Also, observers.)

The heart's eternal vow
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
September 04 2019 01:21 GMT
#516
On September 03 2019 11:33 reincremate wrote:
I flew to Korea to watch this finals, and it was an enthralling experience. Despite the one-sided result, it was a beauty to watch Flash play his god-level TvP, the matchup that initially launched him to fame, on the biggest stage for the last time. What a great way for the greatest player of all time to go out.

Afreeca really puts a lot of work into the production quality of the ASL and I'm really grateful that there is still this level of dedication to BW in 2019. The passion that goes into this game was palpable when I was sitting in the stands. I wish I could better articulate how lucky I feel to have been able to experience this moment in BW history.

That is really awesome. You'll remember that forever. Thanks for sharing.
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
WilliamBlue
Profile Joined May 2019
26 Posts
September 04 2019 04:04 GMT
#517
The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist.


I think it is not down to Tesagi but rather Flashsagi instead. His read on the game as well as his timing push is what other Terran players need to learn from, especially versus Protoss. In my opinion, Protoss was at its weakest during the period of transitioning to Carriers (or when the Carrier count is low) and that was when Flash delivers the killing blow on game 3.

That said, I think the best PvTer of all time is Jangbi. Snow lost the mind games and seems to crack under pressure, perhaps he was nervous against Flash.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-04 05:49:07
September 04 2019 05:47 GMT
#518
On September 04 2019 13:04 WilliamBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist.


I think it is not down to Tesagi but rather Flashsagi instead. His read on the game as well as his timing push is what other Terran players need to learn from, especially versus Protoss. ...


I wonder how much is learnable and how much is Flash's uncanny abilities to predict what's coming and make the best choice under pressure. It's one thing to analyze outside of the game but it's just amazing how great his decision making is even during intense micro/macro. That's why Flash is so scary going in to late game because he doesn't seem to succumb to the mental burden of increased management requirements as much as other players. My favorite Flash matchups were the super long tvts where he just continues to make solid little decisions while the opponent slowly breaks down.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
September 04 2019 08:32 GMT
#519
On September 04 2019 14:47 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2019 13:04 WilliamBlue wrote:
The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist.


I think it is not down to Tesagi but rather Flashsagi instead. His read on the game as well as his timing push is what other Terran players need to learn from, especially versus Protoss. ...


I wonder how much is learnable and how much is Flash's uncanny abilities to predict what's coming and make the best choice under pressure. It's one thing to analyze outside of the game but it's just amazing how great his decision making is even during intense micro/macro. That's why Flash is so scary going in to late game because he doesn't seem to succumb to the mental burden of increased management requirements as much as other players. My favorite Flash matchups were the super long tvts where he just continues to make solid little decisions while the opponent slowly breaks down.


That was the amazing thing about FanTaSy though, in TvT he seemed to somehow always have a way to throw FlaSh off even in the lategame. The tving OSL semi finals were a perfect example of that and it just goes to show how someone who plays in a completely opposite style to Flash can beat him.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
September 04 2019 08:41 GMT
#520
yeah i wish fantasy had come back to bw earlier to able to challenge flash in a competitive 1v1...his strong knack for identifying and executing harass/risky timings has no terran equal...
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