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BSL6 - Ladder Tours, Nation Wars & Map pool ! - Page 3

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Hatchet_man
Profile Joined December 2013
Russian Federation249 Posts
January 15 2019 16:31 GMT
#41
19:00 because you don't want me to die (I hope)

I also ask players again to sign up to Challonge with their BSL6-names.
iFU.spx
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation369 Posts
January 15 2019 17:09 GMT
#42
no need check in ?
Hatchet_man
Profile Joined December 2013
Russian Federation249 Posts
January 15 2019 17:39 GMT
#43
NewSun and TossDream pls tell me your BSL6-akas or I will have to remove you from the tour

Yes, check-in option disabled when I fixed the start time earlier today. So I won't turn it on now to not confuse players
Hatchet_man
Profile Joined December 2013
Russian Federation249 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-16 16:38:07
January 15 2019 22:09 GMT
#44
BSL NATION WARS
First of all, honourable mention goes to Team Bolivia, which started the BSL6 Ladder Tournament as a part of Team Mexico-Bolivia and ended with impressive 13 players on their own. And although they didn't get high ranked place, I still want to say thanks for all that players who came to BSL to represent this South-American country.

Sometimes wonders doesn't happen. Although Team Germany showed really promising results yesterday, they still weren't able to advance any further. They finish ladder race at the sixth spot with 2125.2 average MMR. Still pretty good result considering that they jumped two ranks higher in just one day.

Team United States stopped in one step form qualifying to Nation Wars. And this is especially unfortunate, because I think they have a lot of players who could step up the ladder for US. I will just say that if final version of the team had nyoken and Ty2 in it, outcome of ladder stage could have been different. But for now, they are left with only 5th place.

And now, let's see the top four qualified nation teams, and the rest of the rankings of course.

1. Team Peru (2245.4)
[2313] => BSL6-TerrOru
[2308] => BSL6-Dandy
[2236] => BSL6-Gosudark
[2187] => BSL6-Broly[eF]
[2183] => BSL6-GoKu
2. Team Russia (2237.8)
[2341] => BSL6-g0rynich
[2323] => BSL6-Dewalt
[2317] => BSL6-spx
[2111] => BSL6-Dreamer
[2097] => BSL6-Bandy
3. Team Poland (2213.2)
[2277] => BSL6-T_T
[2232] => BSL6-Goten
[2222] => BSL6-Ziggy
[2220] => BSL6-rasowy
[2115] => BSL6-Czitek
4. Team Chile (2158.2)
[2267] => BSL6-CHILE
[2201] => BSL6-Techito
[2145] => BSL6-UltrA
[2094] => BSL6-lvaNioX
[2084] => BSL6-cRuZa[eF]
5. Team United States (2140.8)
6. Team Germany (2125.2)
7. Team South-Western Europe (2108.4)
8. Team Northern Europe (2078.8)
9. Team Bolivia (1990.6)
10. Team Great Britain (1963.2)
11. Team Bulgaria (1955)
12. Team Canada (1921.6)
13. Team Eastern Europe + Qatar (1883.2)
14. Team Sweden (1882.6)
--. Team Mexico (1894) (4 players)


Nation Wars Format
Matches format will be 3 x bo1 + 1 x 2v2 + ACE match if needed:
1. Block Chain 1.1
2. 2v2 Kiseyras
3. Benzene
4. Heartbeat
5. ACE Neo Sylphid 2.0

Before each match team captains submit to me privately their line-up. After receiving both line-ups I will announce matches.
Each player from top 5 can play in only one 1v1 match + 2v2 match
For ace match any player from top 5 are allowed, even if they already played earlier in the match.
One player from lower than top 5 is allowed to play 2v2 matches for his team.
Trutaacz
Profile Joined August 2017
Poland101 Posts
January 15 2019 22:29 GMT
#45
How about a rule which doesnt allow a player to have a stream turned on while playing his games? Or is just dandy over that?
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
January 15 2019 22:48 GMT
#46
On January 16 2019 07:29 Trutaacz wrote:
How about a rule which doesnt allow a player to have a stream turned on while playing his games? Or is just dandy over that?

I think that falls under cheating and it is common sense that this is not allowed.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-16 02:58:55
January 16 2019 01:47 GMT
#47
On January 16 2019 07:29 Trutaacz wrote:
How about a rule which doesnt allow a player to have a stream turned on while playing his games? Or is just dandy over that?



Just because he's in the stream doesn't really mean or imply anything. He could've just been in there and watching the previous game while he was waiting, etc. You're just saying this after the fact of you losing. If you won, would you be saying the same? "Oh, I won, but man he was still in the twitch chat!!"

It's not that uncommon to leave a stream open, because you were in there earlier, and then go to your game. And also, unlikely he's sitting there listening to the Cast Audio in the background, because at such high level games, even that 10-15 second delay (before LMaster fixed it) is going to hurt you. At these high level games, you don't have some benefit trying to reactively play with even 10 second delay. Just think about it and stop accusing. Not to mention, if someone really wanted to "cheat," you think they wouldn't make a secondary Twitch account to do that?

As I recall it, you were ahead in the game and lost to some timing/macro attack in the end.

Plus, is Dandy's internet even good enough to watch and play lol (that peruvian internet isn't really the best to be doing these type of shady tactics)

You lost, get over it, and try to beat him next time.
Trutaacz
Profile Joined August 2017
Poland101 Posts
January 16 2019 05:44 GMT
#48
You have really great point of view. Player A lost a game so he has no right to point someone is abusing the rules. Its only normal while player A win a game and cheat is obvious, right? I was there earlier because i can and i left before my game because i respect manners. You wrote a cool poem but it's 1 or 0. Its allowed or not.
iCCup.Face
Profile Joined February 2014
Italy447 Posts
January 16 2019 08:48 GMT
#49
5min stream delay, not hard.
People have the right to be stupid. Some people abuse that privilege.
seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-16 14:57:20
January 16 2019 14:44 GMT
#50
Being in stream viewer list doesn't mean they were cheating, though. maybe you can suspect they were but the accusation is ridiculous. Also, yeah, a delay fixes this and we shouldn't have any more issues.

and here's a snippet of some polish poetry for all the fans of literature:

Liść pożółkły spada z drzewa
chłodny wietrzyk wieje
chór ptaszęcy już nie śpiewa
ścichły lasy, knieje.

[image loading]
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
January 16 2019 15:04 GMT
#51
On January 16 2019 17:48 iCCup.Face wrote:
5min stream delay, not hard.


This definitely works, and is probably the way to go for important events.

However, it's not an ideal solution because it kills interaction with chat, which is especially impactful between games.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-16 18:02:13
January 16 2019 18:01 GMT
#52
On January 16 2019 10:47 ProtossGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2019 07:29 Trutaacz wrote:
How about a rule which doesnt allow a player to have a stream turned on while playing his games? Or is just dandy over that?



Just because he's in the stream doesn't really mean or imply anything. He could've just been in there and watching the previous game while he was waiting, etc. You're just saying this after the fact of you losing. If you won, would you be saying the same? "Oh, I won, but man he was still in the twitch chat!!"

It's not that uncommon to leave a stream open, because you were in there earlier, and then go to your game. And also, unlikely he's sitting there listening to the Cast Audio in the background, because at such high level games, even that 10-15 second delay (before LMaster fixed it) is going to hurt you. At these high level games, you don't have some benefit trying to reactively play with even 10 second delay. Just think about it and stop accusing. Not to mention, if someone really wanted to "cheat," you think they wouldn't make a secondary Twitch account to do that?

As I recall it, you were ahead in the game and lost to some timing/macro attack in the end.

Plus, is Dandy's internet even good enough to watch and play lol (that peruvian internet isn't really the best to be doing these type of shady tactics)

You lost, get over it, and try to beat him next time.

I recall Jaehoon stream cheating in spon games a couple of years ago with good success until he got caught, so your assessment is very wrong. How can someone even think that a 10s delayed stream is not a huge advantage strategy-wise is beyond me, basically a maphack for the poor, starting position, tech choices, hidden bases are all known. And people can have 2 monitors to see the stream on the side.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
January 16 2019 19:09 GMT
#53
If anything, stream cheating is mostly beneficial during the first few minutes of the game. If the games are being casted live, there should be a delay in place. Knowing player position and opening builds is a big deal. Sugo's quick defense makes sense though, as he's a regular when it comes to being in stream while playing vs a streamer. i.e Sugo vs Bonyth in the past and Sugo vs Jaeyun in the past.
Hatchet_man
Profile Joined December 2013
Russian Federation249 Posts
January 16 2019 22:27 GMT
#54
Actually ZZZero used to set a delay on his streams, but after casting so many games from replays, we kinda forgot about this.

So yes, in future we will pay more attention to this aspect. But I don't think we will revise Ladder Tour #3 results.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-16 23:35:09
January 16 2019 23:20 GMT
#55
On January 17 2019 04:09 EndingLife wrote:
If anything, stream cheating is mostly beneficial during the first few minutes of the game. If the games are being casted live, there should be a delay in place. Knowing player position and opening builds is a big deal. Sugo's quick defense makes sense though, as he's a regular when it comes to being in stream while playing vs a streamer. i.e Sugo vs Bonyth in the past and Sugo vs Jaeyun in the past.


But that's my point, I'm good friends with Bonyth. I'm always on his stream and many others and usually chatting with them. And then just moves into "hey, let's play" and I just never close their stream. It's not intentional, but it's typically because when watching streams, you have tons of other browsers open, checking email, other forums, etc. It has nothing to do with cheating at all, it's just something you don't think about or consider because you were using the Internet for a lot of other reasons simultaneously. Which is my point, Dandy was probably there actually watching then he got summoned to the game and just went with it. He may not even have been watching and just had the tab open for Twitch and forgot. Bottom line - we don't know. It's not really that unnatural lol. All I need to say is, if someone wants to cheat, you think they wouldn't make a second ID? It's common sense. Stream delay is the only solution, not allowing the person to be in the chat is irrelevant...

And my "quick defense" is because Dandy's also a friend, so yes, I would defend him. Unlike EL who has no friends in the scene. People really questioning a guy like Dandy who wins multiple tours and known to be one of the top in the scene? You're acting like he wasn't capable to win or something lol.

At any rate, all of this is just speculation and accusation. There is no proof. The only thing we know is TT was well ahead that game and still lost - so yes, the "Stream cheating" made him lose a big lead? Come on now, guys.

People already said they'll put a stream delay on. That's the end of it. Anything else about accusations is just that - it's an accusation. No need to argue on this topic anymore.
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
January 17 2019 02:15 GMT
#56
Streams should be always casted from replays, regardless of the event. Streaming match live for so called hype is ridiculous for me, since there is no real difference for viewer, whether he sees it live or after 30 minutes from replay, apart from his/her own imagination. Now I have consideration in that it mostly comes from troublesome management of tournaments - like none tournament organiser so far could handle in proper way providing replays for casters / hiding scores for viewers before casting with given public tournament sites. This hurts my eyes and disputes such the one in this thread make me awkwardly scratching my head.

Thus, I'm reconsidering starting official opensource project as project lead or scrum product owner to solve this issue, provided I'm gonna find devs willing to help and agreed on common technology stack, plus most of future SCR tournaments, like BSL / STPL / weekly or bi-weekly tournaments are willing to use it, when its ready with required functionality. That is website specifically written for SCR single/team tournaments, user accounts using battlenet authentication, player and teams database, ELO rankings, betting system similar to gosugamers one and place from which user can easily find every past vod from each tournament. Plus any other functionality demanded by starcraft users, since every functions / GUI aspect should be under general public discussion.
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2268 Posts
January 17 2019 02:55 GMT
#57
best possible team for Chile, that's nice.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
Szinkler
Profile Joined July 2018
Hungary394 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-17 09:13:24
January 17 2019 09:12 GMT
#58
this post can be deleted I do not want to go into the debate about "live watching"
LoCcxitO.o
Profile Joined July 2012
Peru104 Posts
January 17 2019 11:11 GMT
#59
Perú go ftw guys!
SouL Gaming
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1506 Posts
January 17 2019 11:27 GMT
#60
Exactly as mr Hatchet said - we will remember about asking casters to set up delay for future.

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