BSL6 - Ladder Tours, Nation Wars & Map pool !

On January 04 2019 02:55 Hatchet_man wrote:
Arew, it will depend on how many players neighbour countries will have on January 15th.
As of today, I'd go with Northern Europe team: Finland + Norway + Latvia + Lithuania + Great Britain (no Sweden because they have a lot of players on their own)
Players: Arcneon, Madinho, Jerry, Lure, CH0B0

Pretty strong team, even has chances to reach top4

On January 06 2019 12:27 G5 wrote:
Question, I made BLS6-G5 and tried signing myself up on the ladder multiple times but don't see myself on the rankings still. Can someone help me with this please?

1. Team Peru (2261)
[2402] => BSL6-Dandy
[2302] => BSL6-AyaC)Conde
[2267] => BSL6-TerrOru
[2214] => BSL6-Gosudark
[2120] => BSL6-Yugox
2. Team Poland (2239.4)
[2364] => BSL6-T_T
[2232] => BSL6-Goten
[2206] => BSL6-Ziggy
[2203] => BSL6-rasowy
[2192] => BSL6-mn
3. Team Russia (2228.6)
[2327] => BSL6-Dewalt
[2296] => BSL6-g0rynich
[2210] => BSL6-TTF
[2158] => BSL6-Bandy
[2152] => BSL6-lanos
4. Team South-Western Europe (2160.8)
[2304] => BSL6-eOnzErG
[2160] => BSL6-kuracpalac
[2143] => BSL6-Faust
[2122] => BSL6-Adelscott
[2075] => BSL6-KenZy
5. Team Chile (2152.4)
6. Team Northern Europe (2115.6)
7. Team United States (2076.8)
8. Team Eastern Europe + Qatar (2026.8)
9. Team Germany (1976.2)
10. Team Sweden (1897.6)
11. Team Canada (1891.6)
12. Team BraBoMex (1849.2)

On January 12 2019 02:31 ZZZero.O wrote:

[...]

I should have expressed myself more precisely in the rules - but when I was preparing the news it was obvious to me that if the format of the tournament is WB and LB, the WB winner should start with an advantage in the grand final.
I have a lesson for the future.

[...]

On January 12 2019 05:50 Hatchet_man wrote:
The whole idea of these tournaments was mine. I suggested prize pool distribution and using only one map, I wrote the rules, and I was admining first two tours. ZZZero only revised my text and posted it, assuming that finals rules are "obvious".

So I must say that when the idea came to my mind, I wanted to reach two goals with Ladder Tours:
1. Allow players to practice on a new maps and possibly avoid the "what the hell is this map" situation in the main tour.
2. Make tournament not very long, because at least two of them were going to be played on weekdays.

What did I decide? Make double-elimination tournament format, so all players will have a chance to play at least two matches on the new maps. How to make it shorter? Make earlier rounds bo1 and remove annoying bo5 finals. Do you remember that previous season two finals of the ladder tours were postponed and one of them never finished?

But with bo3 finals it is ridiculous to give one map advantage for the WB winners - they will need to win only one map. In traditional sports this issue is usually solved by adding one more match to the finals in case if LB winner wins first. This is fair, because tournament is "double elimination" and you need to lose two series to be eliminated. But in this case finals may be sometimes shorter and sometimes even longer!

So I decided to not put WB advantage in the rules. "Stupid!" - you'll say. But look at The International/2018 - they use similar format without any advantage. Are they stupid too or are there something behind this decision? I must say that from my POV winner bracket advantage still exists - player from LB had to defeat more opponents with much more unforgiving bo1 format.

To sum this up:
Was it a mistake to announce rules like that? - Probably. But probably not.
Was it a mistake to not explain to players all the details before the match? - Definitely.
Should players read the rules carefully before playing the tournament? - Definitely.
Has the tournament been played according to the rules? - Yes.
Should we change something in ladder tour #2? - No.

P.S. I must say that all this post is my personal point of view and is not an official position of BSL crew.

1. Team Peru (2245.4)
[2313] => BSL6-TerrOru
[2308] => BSL6-Dandy
[2236] => BSL6-Gosudark
[2187] => BSL6-Broly[eF]
[2183] => BSL6-GoKu
2. Team Russia (2237.8)
[2341] => BSL6-g0rynich
[2323] => BSL6-Dewalt
[2317] => BSL6-spx
[2111] => BSL6-Dreamer
[2097] => BSL6-Bandy
3. Team Poland (2213.2)
[2277] => BSL6-T_T
[2232] => BSL6-Goten
[2222] => BSL6-Ziggy
[2220] => BSL6-rasowy
[2115] => BSL6-Czitek
4. Team Chile (2158.2)
[2267] => BSL6-CHILE
[2201] => BSL6-Techito
[2145] => BSL6-UltrA
[2094] => BSL6-lvaNioX
[2084] => BSL6-cRuZa[eF]
5. Team United States (2140.8)
6. Team Germany (2125.2)
7. Team South-Western Europe (2108.4)
8. Team Northern Europe (2078.8)
9. Team Bolivia (1990.6)
10. Team Great Britain (1963.2)
11. Team Bulgaria (1955)
12. Team Canada (1921.6)
13. Team Eastern Europe + Qatar (1883.2)
14. Team Sweden (1882.6)
--. Team Mexico (1894) (4 players)

On January 16 2019 07:29 Trutaacz wrote:
How about a rule which doesnt allow a player to have a stream turned on while playing his games? Or is just dandy over that?

On January 16 2019 17:48 iCCup.Face wrote:
5min stream delay, not hard.

On January 17 2019 04:09 EndingLife wrote:
If anything, stream cheating is mostly beneficial during the first few minutes of the game. If the games are being casted live, there should be a delay in place. Knowing player position and opening builds is a big deal. Sugo's quick defense makes sense though, as he's a regular when it comes to being in stream while playing vs a streamer. i.e Sugo vs Bonyth in the past and Sugo vs Jaeyun in the past.

On January 21 2019 04:08 Terrorterran wrote:
They most likely wanted bonyth to play even when there were more active players laddering so it didn´t matter how much time other players invested in this. Good to know though I wont be laddering much for next nation wars and I will just bully whoever qualifies to let me play.

On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote:
Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater.

On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:



It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though?

On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:



It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though?

On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:



It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though?

On January 23 2019 16:18 G5 wrote:


Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater.

On January 23 2019 18:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

you are making such a big deal from it.i also dont understand why players do it but i also found Kenzy and Dewalt on my stream chat while playing me in tournaments.i just hope they had the decensy to stop the stream while playing me LOL

On January 23 2019 18:47 Trutaacz wrote:


Well i'm just fooling around. I don't accuse anyone of hacking, it' just... just players shouldn't be on the chats while playing tournament games.

On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote:
Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater.

On January 23 2019 17:39 Sero wrote:

Game starts at 1:21:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s

Did you watch it or just go ahead and decide that G5 is a moron? Stream delay isn't "insane," it's like 5 seconds.

I agree with G5 that it's extremely suspicious, and calling the guy a "much superior player" is a joke. He makes impossible scouts and blind reads at perfect times for no logical reason, but at the same time he can't do basic things like walk down a ramp while attacking or use F-keys to transfer probes away from a reaver drop that he knew was coming far in advance. 2319 MMR players do not play this poorly and just luck into an 80% winrate at 61-15.

The direct shuttle rally and army movement to meet it above G5's base might be legit, but everything else is pretty hard to believe. The inconsistencies from the way he played the previous game (it was a re on the same map) are also significant, like the way he carelessly walks up the high ground when last game he was careful to position his units beforehand. There's plenty of other magical unit movements, but the top right probe scout is hilarious.

On January 24 2019 02:51 ProtossGG wrote:
I will post here once because I think there needs to be some clarity, but I'm not going to argue, folks can believe as they want.

1. I am BSL6-Msitua

2. In G5's game, I sent a probe to the base for a ninja exp, it's something I commonly do. Next, I did see a scouting probe on the map, my goon passed it at one point. To TT1's point, yes robo after 4 goons is normal, agreed, but I've played G5 several times and I don't think he's ever DT'd me; so that's just some level of calculated risk I took. Sometimes it's not about the 'logical' build but "playing the player." Lastly, if a P is contained on Edy, there's only few options to break - reaver up ramp, harass, or unload on the side and flank ... I didn't feel any type of break from the ramp so I figured the timing for a shuttle is coming. Coincidence? Probably. As for the bit about "attacking with the units" in the start, that was not intentional. That was simply sloppy in my part; I think there's a lot of overthought there. Sloppy is sloppy and should G5 have been out there, I probably would've lost that battle...

3. For Jiraiya's case. One, Castle says "countered with 1g" ... no, that's wrong. If I recall the game, jiraiya went 12h. 1g isn't a counter to 12h... actually 12h > 1g (plus, I 1g often anyways). And lastly, this game about the "5pool vs 2g" ... Jiraiya said he's never seen me 2gate. However, in fact, I did 2gate against him in the NA BATTLE match in game 3. So no, I don't always and only 1g, it's very common, sure, but not always. That's just poor luck he went 5p that game; and I recall it worked well in the NA BATTLE so I figured I will try it again, nothing more, nothing less (for the record, I do 2g in pvz ladder quite a bit because you can get fast wins vs greedy players). As jiraiya said, we've played 10+ times, and now this is some big question? Come on now. And not to put Jiraiya on blast, but how many has he won against me, probably 1 or 2? Now when I win a 5p vs 2g game, there's some big question?

Anyhow, feel free to keep speculating. I didn't "cheat" or whatever folks think here. But I won't respond again here because it's not a place I care to debate. I thought I made a good ladder run (with my fair share of luck) and I will participate in the ro24, that's all.

And lastly, if you're paranoid about this, the grim reality is, don't stream or simply put a delay. It's not ideal, but from my perspective it seems like paranoia. I'm simply stating that once you lose a game and you go to analyze it, you're going to see what you want to see (Jiraiya's example about Jaeyun accusing Yaj -- we all have our beef with him, but I would never say he's cheating, especially with 100 viewers watching who will immediately agree with the host). Lots of things can look suspicious if you made up your mind beforehand.

On January 24 2019 04:23 IMJIRAIYA wrote:
@sugo. Listen, I don't know your history nor DID I have a biased feel that you (on the ID: Sugo) are a stream cheater. To me, everyone is clean until proven guilty.

To be even more clear. My sentiment was expressed solely on the 3 games I played with you on the BSL6-Mitsua ID. In a vacuum, my instincts told me something was off about the games we played. It was until after the games I learned it was you so this predisposed thought -- or assumption/paranoia in the case with me, is incorrect. I based my judgement on solely the games vs that ID.

That said, your response is fair and really what I was looking for. To own it was you, and to provide your perspective. I think with less "noise" from players like G5, myself, whomever. Will help paint you (& your smurf IDS) in a different light.

I've played only 3 games off-stream vs you for the Nation wars in which I went 1-2. I don't own any smurfs and I stream 99% of the games I play in totality. Happy to run it back.

On January 24 2019 02:51 ProtossGG wrote:
I will post here once because I think there needs to be some clarity, but I'm not going to argue, folks can believe as they want.

1. I am BSL6-Msitua

2. In G5's game, I sent a probe to the base for a ninja exp, it's something I commonly do. Next, I did see a scouting probe on the map, my goon passed it at one point. To TT1's point, yes robo after 4 goons is normal, agreed, but I've played G5 several times and I don't think he's ever DT'd me; so that's just some level of calculated risk I took. Sometimes it's not about the 'logical' build but "playing the player." Lastly, if a P is contained on Edy, there's only few options to break - reaver up ramp, harass, or unload on the side and flank ... I didn't feel any type of break from the ramp so I figured the timing for a shuttle is coming. Coincidence? Probably. As for the bit about "attacking with the units" in the start, that was not intentional. That was simply sloppy in my part; I think there's a lot of overthought there. Sloppy is sloppy and should G5 have been out there, I probably would've lost that battle...

3. For Jiraiya's case. One, Castle says "countered with 1g" ... no, that's wrong. If I recall the game, jiraiya went 12h. 1g isn't a counter to 12h... actually 12h > 1g (plus, I 1g often anyways). And lastly, this game about the "5pool vs 2g" ... Jiraiya said he's never seen me 2gate. However, in fact, I did 2gate against him in the NA BATTLE match in game 3. So no, I don't always and only 1g, it's very common, sure, but not always. That's just poor luck he went 5p that game; and I recall it worked well in the NA BATTLE so I figured I will try it again, nothing more, nothing less (for the record, I do 2g in pvz ladder quite a bit because you can get fast wins vs greedy players). As jiraiya said, we've played 10+ times, and now this is some big question? Come on now. And not to put Jiraiya on blast, but how many has he won against me, probably 2 or 3? Now when I win a 5p vs 2g game, there's some big question? For the record, as jiraiya said about me, i do like him too and consider him a friend.

Anyhow, feel free to keep speculating. I didn't "cheat" or whatever folks think here. But I won't respond to argue here because it's not a place I care to debate. I thought I made a good ladder run (with my fair share of luck, which we all have) and I will participate in the ro24, that's all.

And lastly, if you're paranoid about this, the grim reality is, don't stream or simply put a delay. It's not ideal, but from my perspective it seems like paranoia. I'm simply stating that once you lose a game and you go to analyze it, you're going to see what you want to see (Jiraiya's example about Jaeyun accusing Yaj -- we all have our beef with him, but I would never say he's cheating, especially with 100 viewers watching who will immediately agree with the host). Lots of things can look suspicious if you made up your mind beforehand.

On January 24 2019 11:24 G5 wrote:


I want to be as fair as possible here as I know most people take their credibility very seriously. Before I posted this, I sat down and watched the replay in real time / slow mo from your perspective. I carefully watched your reactions, the way you moved your units, and diagnosed your play; rewinding and replaying critical moments. I not only watched the game in question but our previous game as well.

With that said, I don't believe you. In my opinion, you were cheating.

The way you played (strategy, timing, reactions, army movement, etc.) doesn't make sense and your explanation doesn't make sense. The only way this makes sense to me is through the lens of you cheating. In a sport where there isn't blood tests or cameras directly on players and certainty isn't 100%, it's as clear as it possibly can be to me that you were cheating.

You're definitely a good enough player to beat me and many top foreigners and pros without cheating. You would not be the first and won't be the last that still takes the easier road even when they don't have to. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. There's always that chance. However, after watching those replays, reading your explanation, and knowing this game the way I do, I can confidently say I'm not wrong though.

Personally, I have no hard feelings, none at all. I understand why you did it and it was wrong. We can all agree that it's a shitty thing to do. People make mistakes and hopefully they build character from there and end up a better person. I don't care too much if you or someone else cheats vs me. Not the first time someone cheated in one way or another against me and won't be the last. Life moves on. It's unfair and annoying but my anger will subside relatively quickly. I remember though what it's like to deeply care for this game and my results. Back in the day I would have been FAR more furious then I was here and I honestly believe that there are players in this tournament that work as hard or harder than I did back in my hay day and care deeply for the chances they get in these tournaments. I post this not out of spite for you but for fairness to them.

On January 24 2019 11:41 ProtossGG wrote:


Nothing against you G5, respect your oldschool heritage, etc. As I said, not here to argue. Anyways, appreciate your compliment nonetheless and simply put, we'll meet again.

On January 25 2019 01:25 TrueIrish wrote:
Stop whining and add a longer stream delay. Problem solved. Not like it was hard to figure out who it was. #FreeSuGo

On January 25 2019 03:27 Cele wrote:
This whole Thread is full of unnessary gossip, accusations and personal drama.

Clearly, BSL Admins will investigate any incident that is suspicious of cheating and will punish cheating. Open speculation about certain replays, personal bias and foremost fbw vs nas discord drama bs do not contribute to that.

You just litter this thread with you personal biases, in defensive speeches for your clans, friends or whatever attachment it is. I strongly suggest to take that back to discord. This thread is about bsl-6, not your drama.

Whoever feels insecure about stream cheating should use a stream delay instead of acting entitled. If you're to lazy for a stream delay, it's nobody's fault but yours.

On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:

So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work.

Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years.

Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity.


So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week?

It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game.

And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting.

The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time.

Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent.

On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:


Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue.

On January 25 2019 20:12 NeMu555 wrote:
Hello everyone. I decided to make an account and try to qualify for this BSL for fun as I usually do. For the record I'm still in the danger zone and might not even get in if I don't grind hard. My experience with the games I have played is abit suspect. I have to point out that I have streamed a big majority of my games with 0 delay and if somebody took advantage of that its my problem(applies to all streamers!) but since I stopped my winrate suddenly became better and I won more often. My skill is relatively the same and has always been for many many years and I'm fortunate to be able to get in decent shape with little play time. The difference was big when stream was off in my personal opinion. And no I didin't play more and suddenly get better because I spend most of my time playing another game I want to become great at. My observation is that people have become much more disrespectful and 90% of them don't even type gg after games, literally 90%! That might not be here or there but what I'm trying to say is my spider senses are tingling that people are not playing fair.
I also thought of a logical simple way people might be manipulating the ranking system. I would say its more than easy for alot of players to make multiple accounts around 2000-2100 with zero to no sweat. Considering the fact you have to wait 500+ seconds and even more in dead hours how hard would it be to play vs your own accounts with a friend? Let that be some food for thought!
I don't intend on wasting my time watching replays or players games for foul play but just from curiosity today I watched a particular game from 4days ago.
The replay I watched was vs BSL6-Cadenzie and the reason I watched it because I saw her have a 28-2 record and over 2220 points(For reference BSL6-Eonzerg has 2190 with 23-3 and he is the best non kor zerg in my opinion). I do not recall ever losing a game vs this individual with ANY race and I struggle getting and staying over 2.2k mmr currently.
We had 9 minute long zvz game in which "she" had 270apm and for a split second in early game her spam got close to 700apm. Now I play pretty fast and I would have a hard time spamming to 700apm.... I do not watch her play but for this particular case I randomly watched 3 zvz games of her last streams and she had about 205apm all of the games. At the end of the game when it was evident that I had won her apm started to slowly but surely drop as if on purpose to get a lower overall apm. This also happened in other certain parts of the game.
We have had issues in the past and for me she is not the most honest person to put it lightly. Maybe she just got lucky with this record and broke her fingers trying to win me cause she hates my guts but.......... I wouldn't put money on that .
All in all I don't like the direction starcraft is going and am personally glad I play less and less.

P.S I don't want this post be a knock on people who won me fair and square in ladder gg's, just my general thoughts on the overall situation . Idk if broodwar chart is available for remastered but will definitely help to bring clarity to false accounts and games played if people are suspicous. Good luck to everyone who qualifies fair!

On January 25 2019 20:36 Hatchet_man wrote:
As far as I know, APM may fly in the sky in the replays if there were lags in-game.

Meanwhile Eon's MMR dropped significantly due to MMR decay (his last game was on Jan 15th)

On January 25 2019 20:50 jordeady wrote:





I find it cute that you think that's Cadenzie! She lives in Korea now. Happily married to a Korean dude named Hongjoo. I wonder how that makes you feel given your history....

On January 25 2019 21:23 NeMu555 wrote:


Well you only support my argument here :D Not quite sure what you mean how it makes me feel given our history... We had a slight online interaction and that sums it up. Her personal life is none of my bussiness.

On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:


Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue.

On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:

Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so.

On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:


I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions.

On January 25 2019 16:22 G5 wrote:
Since this is continuing and I know many are going to just slam me as someone providing nothing more than allegations / slander (Kingdom's post above would be an example), here are the replays:

bwreplays.com

bwreplays.com

Make your own judgments. I have made mine very clear. I don't expect him to get banned from the tournament. This has rarely ever been the case from tournament organizers in the past and don't expect anything different 10+ years later. All I hope for is he stops.

On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:

Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID.

On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:


paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness

On January 26 2019 00:25 CadenZie wrote:
I struggle to understand this nemu guys point, he thinks someone better than eon played against him and sandbagged their apm that they can get to 700 with, but said the game didnt lag, and also somehow HE won against this super gosu unknown player. LMFAO

Did i pay effort to fly to europe to play on my account and ladder against you and you want me to admit you beat effort who was boosting me so that you can brag?^^ what is your point sherlock holmes? Are you just eternally salty that i blocked you and spout incoherent gibberish my way to get my attention?

Congratulations on beating whoever you beat but stop trying to message me i'm not interested in whatever youre selling, I care not for your brag that you think you beat someone you claim is better than eon... or maybe youre suggesting eon is boosting me, i really cant work out your riddle.

p.s. youre a trash player and a trash human being^^

On January 26 2019 01:28 IMJIRAIYA wrote:
@Sugo. My roots. 2v2, and at high level in foreigner scene for 95% of my BW "years". Many of my closest buds as an outgrowth: Europeans. Europeans who stream 2v2 against other high level 2v2ers. I myself, also streamed 2v2.

ICCUP dies and RE-mastered introduced. 2v2 scene left in the dust. Naturally try 1v1 rank. Make friends in 1v1 scene, primarily NA.

Here's some observations for you.
- 10 years of 2v2 foreigner scene playing with streamers like Madinho, Kenzy, Scan,etc. No delay on any of them mind you. Not once in the 10 years of 2v2 play was there suspicion of users stream cheating. Not once.
- 1 year 3 months of 1v1 rank/streaming. Primarily NA/SA players. Stream cheating becomes a thing.

For context, I'm not judging NA/SA players as being dirty. It's a TINY/HANDFUL of users that are tainting the image. Which is why I want to make it transparent that it isn't alright.

I want to have the same standard/expectation of NA players. Just stop giving me a reason not to.

On January 26 2019 01:32 NeMu555 wrote:


You are helping me build my case honeybun! I have zero interest in anything surrounding you. You are not that interesting and no, this time I won't fall to your level. And I'm definitely not messaging you so you can excuse yourself from my comments. But what I will do since you decided to show your true colors once again is press the issue and forward my replay to the correct people so they can decide whether or not your account has been tampered with! Next time you try to cheat I suggest you think it through better!

Admins - I'm not offended but if I publicly called someone a trash human being I would be LYNCHED and not let entry to any tournament.... Just saying. Double standards are not a good thing.

p.s I guess I wasn't that trash when you started flirting with me

On January 26 2019 02:08 IMJIRAIYA wrote:
@Sugo. Your defenders are making me clarify the only intent I have. To put you on the spot for suspicious behavior.

I don't know what kind of person pays for a 2nd Battle.net ID to enlist in a tournament on a smurf. Again, most of my long standing friends are European so maybe I'm biased but I don't know ANYONE that would do that.

This has nothing to do with you and me but I'd gladly take you up on a show match. Ofc I wouldn't stream it.

On January 26 2019 01:49 CadenZie wrote:
lol, you edited that i flirted with you in your post, thats the worst slander of it all. Why would i flirt with some internet nerd I dont know or care about in the slightest? dream on LMFAO

On January 26 2019 02:23 CadenZie wrote:
i dont care if you think i did stream cheating, maphacking, boosting, hacking into the blizzard server and altering stats or whatever you want to accuse me of but i did not flirt with you. if i flirted with you then please go ahead and type out what i said to flirt with you. holy moly.

On January 26 2019 02:33 NeMu555 wrote:


Put it to rest ok ? Some time passed..... I'm waiting for admins to review your account and my particular replay and thats all im interested in

On January 26 2019 03:12 IMJIRAIYA wrote:
@Sugo. I'm not here to argue smurfs or educate you on difference of smurfing on a known ID vs unknown. I just hate having to point out the obvious... maybe I should put out a poll?

How many of you purchased a 2nd ID? Forget the reason why you would in first place. Please, even supporters. Tell me if you have a 2nd ID. If you do, tell me why.

Let me up the ante. I'll pay $5 for each European user who tells me they have a 2nd (paid )ID.

How's that?

On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:

How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me.
Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account?

On January 26 2019 06:29 EndingLife wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Before this thread gets locked for good... Who is everyone's favorite to win BSL Pro League?
I can't pick Sugo because there will likely be a delay on the official BSL stream and since I can't pick TT1, I'm going with Kenzy.

On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:

Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits

On January 26 2019 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:


Some recent juicy ones

1)stork-cadenzie songnibuking incident
2)stork manchilding
3)light gets vaited into thinking he will get gf, get cucked
4) girl star streamer revealed as a bully in hs

Ect

Cadenzie showing off her drama bonjwa by being involved in both scenes lead drama

On January 26 2019 07:58 littlechava wrote:

that stuff is barely even related to bw. who gives a shit?