• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:52
CET 16:52
KST 00:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Clem wins HomeStory Cup 282HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win2RSL Season 4 announced for March-April7Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Clem wins HomeStory Cup 28 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? 2024 BoxeR's birthday message Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BSL Season 21 - Complete Results Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Quickbooks Payroll Service Official Guide Quickbooks Customer Service Official Guide
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1095 users

[TSL] TL Punishes Cheaters

Forum Index > News
309 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All

[TSL] TL Punishes Cheaters

Text byTL.net Bot
December 21st, 2009 15:27 GMT
[image loading]


For the past 10 years, the Starcraft community has created a culture of passivity towards cheating and abuse. There has been very little enforcement or accountability by tournament organizers, teams, and fans. It seemed as though as long as a player was good at Starcraft, he could get away with anything. It is a shame that such a great community could have such a huge flaw. This culture of leniency and apathy towards cheaters certainly contributed to the large numbers of high level players choosing to abuse in the recent TSL Ladder.

Ladder abuse is just as criminal as hacking. The end result is no different. An abuser is essentially stealing prize money from honest players and robbing the community of a worthwhile competition. TeamLiquid strongly values honest competition and fair play, and we have decided to use our TSL to send a message to the community that these sorts of actions are no longer acceptable.



Current Penalties

These penalties will only be applied for this TSL (see future penalty rules later). Our goals with these penalties are to ensure that the current TSL is as clean and fair as possible, and to deter future players from cheating.

Group 1: Banned from TL events for 12 months AND TSL3 (whenever it is):
  • Advokate
  • Dimaga
  • F91
  • Juanjo
  • Mercury
  • Pomi
  • Reason
  • RiboRibo
  • Sarens
  • Scan
  • Vasilisk
  • Yosh

Group 2: Banned from TL events for 8 months AND TSL3 (whenever it is):
  • Fraer
  • HappyZerg
  • Juachi
  • Ranged
  • Tuzer

Group 1 include players who abused and gained from the abuse.
Group 2 include players who abused but only to help another player.



Future Penalty Rules

These rules will come into effect after the PokerStrategy.com TSL is over. Our future penalties rules will be stricter, because players now have notice about them.
  • First time offenders without personal gain will be banned for a minimum of 12 months and the next two TSLs.
  • First time offenders with personal gain will be banned for a minimum of 18 months and the next two TSLs.
  • Repeat offenders will be banned for life.

To all players (not just those who abused during this TSL):
If you cheat in any way (even in a non-TeamLiquid event), we reserve the right to disqualify you based upon these rules. If you want to participate in TSL3 (or any other TL event), be 100% clean, everywhere.



We urge other web sites, teams, clans, and tournaments to take similar action. The only way this widespread problem can be solved is if we all work together. We applaud GosuGamers for banning all TSL abusers from their events for six months. But it is not enough for just two sites to take a stand against cheating. There should be zero tolerance for cheating from anyone in our community.

A tournament organizer or site administrator who does not take similar action against these players is supporting cheating in their tournament. A clan or national team that does not remove these players from their lineup is sending a message that their clan or country finds it acceptable to have cheaters on their team. This passive tolerance of cheating is not acceptable, and TeamLiquid will not advertise clans, teams, or events that continue to disrespect this game.

We hope that by 2011, these players will work hard toward earning back the trust of the community and become honest competitors again. We also hope that our community as a whole will have a strong anti-cheating reputation.

Thank you to all the fans for their support and to the legitimate players of the PokerStrategy.com TSL for making our tournament possible. With these cheating incidents behind us, we can finally focus on the good parts of the TSL. Get ready for a great tournament!

--TSL Staff


TL events include TSL, Liquibition, TL: Attack!, Progamer Merchandise sales, SC2 related competitions, the PokerStrategy.com raffle, and any community run tournaments or special events.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net133 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 09:30:09
December 21 2009 15:23 GMT
#2
Our cheating FAQ (partial credit to Korn, PokerStrategy founder and sponsor of this TSL)

"But they didn't need the abuse / hack to qualify..."
Results do not matter. Cheating is wrong regardless of who cheats. It negatively impacts the tournament, the fans, and most of all the other honest competitors.

"Cheaters deserve a second chance / they shouldn't be banned for that long"
One of the main reasons cheating has been so rampant is because our community kept giving cheaters more chances with no consequences. Cheaters have nothing to fear. Our goal is not just to punish these specific cheaters, but to send a message that will discourage cheating in the future.

"But they just abused in this tournament"
The TSL is the largest foreign StarCraft event outside of WCG. This is like saying "well this track runner only cheated in the Olympics." Also, while this tournament has a large prize pool, it also matters to players and fans in terms of competition and enjoyment. We will not allow our event to be tainted by cheating.

"But these players shouldn't be banned, they are so good"
While these cheaters may very well be excellent players, they are extremely bad for the StarCraft community. The perception of our game and our community is very important to potential players, fans, and sponsors. We cannot make exceptions simply because a player is skilled.

"A ban from TSL3 seems too harsh"
We must ban these cheaters from at least one future TSL. Otherwise, there is not deterrent toward abusing in the current TSL. If a player realizes he probably will not qualify, and the punishment for abuse is DQ from the current TSL, what stops him from abusing? There is no real penalty for him.

But what about your anti-cheating policies for TSL3?
We don't beleive that this is the time or place to be discussing what happens in TSL3. Rest assured that all information about anti-cheating measures will be announced once TSL3 begins (whenever that may be). For now, enjoy the elimination stages of the TSL.
D4L[invd]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada110 Posts
December 21 2009 15:31 GMT
#3
Ouch.. being banned from TSL3 too? that's gotta hurt
Your average D Protoss that can't get out of D because it is full of Protoss and my PvP sucks.
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
December 21 2009 15:31 GMT
#4
Here here!
Yizuo
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1537 Posts
December 21 2009 15:33 GMT
#5
well done!
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
December 21 2009 15:33 GMT
#6
holy crap, this is a tough one
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
December 21 2009 15:33 GMT
#7
TL Laying down the law. Full 100% support.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 21 2009 15:35 GMT
#8
Nice work, I had a feeling that they would be banned from the next event. Go TL.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
December 21 2009 15:35 GMT
#9
Good.
Writersator arepo tenet opera rotas
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
December 21 2009 15:36 GMT
#10
Nice work.

Also, is Scan still a featured streamer? I think that removing his stream would be an appropriate penalty.
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
December 21 2009 15:38 GMT
#11
This is fair. I was afraid you'd enforce an insta "for life" ban. I wouldn't cry about it, I'd never abuse, but yeah, people learn from their (ever so ridiculous) mistakes.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 21 2009 15:38 GMT
#12
On December 22 2009 00:36 Athos wrote:
Nice work.

Also, is Scan still a featured streamer? I think that removing his stream would be an appropriate penalty.

Normally id agree but getrting a few wins doesnt make him any less fo a good player.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
December 21 2009 15:39 GMT
#13
Painful but just, I guess.
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 21 2009 15:41 GMT
#14
Zinger. Ouch! No TSL3 is painful, but totally apporpriate. Well done TSL staff!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
edahl
Profile Joined February 2008
Norway483 Posts
December 21 2009 15:41 GMT
#15
On December 22 2009 00:36 Athos wrote:
Nice work.

Also, is Scan still a featured streamer? I think that removing his stream would be an appropriate penalty.

Think of his streaming as community service :-P
St0rmRush
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil448 Posts
December 21 2009 15:41 GMT
#16
This is Fair. I agree 100%!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10844 Posts
December 21 2009 15:44 GMT
#17
It's actually less restrictive than i thought it would be, but sounds good.
Lovin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark812 Posts
December 21 2009 15:47 GMT
#18
The bot has spoken, the people has listened!
AKA SuddenSalad
FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5014 Posts
December 21 2009 15:47 GMT
#19
Great job guys. I am proud to be a member of this site thank you.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Balloon-Man-FuDD/237447769616965?ref=hl
ZlyKiss
Profile Joined April 2006
Poland697 Posts
December 21 2009 15:48 GMT
#20
smelly cats, smelly cats

it's not your fault...
1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Playoffs
Classic vs CureLIVE!
MaxPax vs TBD
WardiTV1326
IndyStarCraft 293
Rex140
IntoTheiNu 18
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 293
Rex 140
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 42241
Bisu 2701
Sea 2461
Rain 1342
Hyuk 1262
Shuttle 946
Jaedong 942
Larva 804
BeSt 777
Stork 422
[ Show more ]
Soma 345
Soulkey 280
firebathero 228
Rush 215
actioN 200
Mini 175
Leta 159
Snow 125
JYJ 66
Sharp 65
Hyun 63
Mind 51
zelot 44
NotJumperer 42
Aegong 40
Backho 35
sorry 27
Free 25
sSak 25
ToSsGirL 24
Terrorterran 20
Yoon 19
IntoTheRainbow 19
910 17
GoRush 13
SilentControl 11
HiyA 5
Dota 2
singsing2896
qojqva1825
Dendi459
XcaliburYe109
League of Legends
Reynor62
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King262
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor199
Other Games
B2W.Neo1221
hiko945
FrodaN437
DeMusliM385
Hui .240
crisheroes209
RotterdaM190
oskar95
Trikslyr15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1624
• Stunt747
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 8m
RongYI Cup
1d 19h
herO vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-04
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.