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On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:On January 23 2019 15:44 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote:
Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater. It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? it ain't sugo. we are suspecting that it may be reaper[pain] or someone unknown who trained for years for this spotlight. sugo said he has to take a break from bw because of his corporate work. So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work. On January 23 2019 17:07 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 16:18 G5 wrote:On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:
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It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though?
Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater. cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years. On January 24 2019 15:04 Shinokuki wrote:
All i know is that sugo never cheats. He has so much pride for his skills that there is no point in cheating for him. Do you think cheating would make him feel good about his skills? I play sugo all the time. He does wild stuff and just blind build orders sometimes. He also makes ninja expo aka "sugo expo" that we make fun of. I guess I understand why some feel like he cheated. He's just that type of player. Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity. So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week? It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game. And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting. The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time. Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID. paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me. Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account?
"i look forward to reading future tales of how skilled you are"
Paper gosu it didn't take long before you talked yourself up again, why do you work so hard to convince people that you're good at BW? Tbh it's pretty meaningless.. but you try so hard. Bit weird t_t.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Before this thread gets locked for good... Who is everyone's favorite to win BSL Pro League?
I can't pick Sugo because there will likely be a delay on the official BSL stream and since I can't pick TT1, I'm going with Kenzy.
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On January 26 2019 06:29 EndingLife wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Before this thread gets locked for good... Who is everyone's favorite to win BSL Pro League?
I can't pick Sugo because there will likely be a delay on the official BSL stream and since I can't pick TT1, I'm going with Kenzy.
Paper gosu will definitely find a way to win BSL6 via twitch, my moneys on him!
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On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 05:55 jinjin5000 wrote:
Nice drama
But not to level of daily Korean scene drama yet tho. Keep it up Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits 
Some recent juicy ones
1)stork-cadenzie songnibuking incident
2)stork manchilding
3)light gets vaited into thinking he will get gf, get cucked
4) girl star streamer revealed as a bully in hs
Ect
Cadenzie showing off her drama bonjwa by being involved in both scenes lead drama
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On January 26 2019 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:On January 26 2019 05:55 jinjin5000 wrote:
Nice drama
But not to level of daily Korean scene drama yet tho. Keep it up Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits Some recent juicy ones 1)stork-cadenzie songnibuking incident 2)stork manchilding 3)light gets vaited into thinking he will get gf, get cucked 4) girl star streamer revealed as a bully in hs Ect Cadenzie showing off her drama bonjwa by being involved in both scenes lead drama
Can you elaborate a little bit more? Like maybe a short paragraph on each? Perhaps in a separate thread? :D
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Yea guys stop derailing the thread, lets all cheer for our favorite players in BSL6!
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Well, if we derail, then BSL admins can probably post something before this gets shut down for good. Lol
Also, probably a good time to mention that all of what’s in these threads is a bit negative to all the amazing work Zzzero, Hatchet, Han, etc all do. So on a serious note, we should all probably stop and just let them manage it now/say some words.
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On January 26 2019 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:On January 26 2019 05:55 jinjin5000 wrote:
Nice drama
But not to level of daily Korean scene drama yet tho. Keep it up Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits Some recent juicy ones 1)stork-cadenzie songnibuking incident 2)stork manchilding 3)light gets vaited into thinking he will get gf, get cucked 4) girl star streamer revealed as a bully in hs Ect Cadenzie showing off her drama bonjwa by being involved in both scenes lead drama
that stuff is barely even related to bw. who gives a shit?
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On January 26 2019 07:58 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:On January 26 2019 05:55 jinjin5000 wrote:
Nice drama
But not to level of daily Korean scene drama yet tho. Keep it up Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits Some recent juicy ones 1)stork-cadenzie songnibuking incident 2)stork manchilding 3)light gets vaited into thinking he will get gf, get cucked 4) girl star streamer revealed as a bully in hs Ect Cadenzie showing off her drama bonjwa by being involved in both scenes lead drama that stuff is barely even related to bw. who gives a shit?
ya at least our drama is honorable and bw related
well minus this cringy nemu / cadenzie thing
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Lets stick to topic guys. I'm rooting for Eonzerg, Bonyth, Dewalt to be top3. They deserve it the most
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Oh, I know nothing about the drama, but I do love kittens. I know my limits, after all.
As for BSL - Avi-Love all the way!! <3
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Is there any VOD for ladder tour #2 (the one on Kiseyras)?
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On January 26 2019 06:18 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:On January 23 2019 15:44 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:
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It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though?
it ain't sugo. we are suspecting that it may be reaper[pain] or someone unknown who trained for years for this spotlight. sugo said he has to take a break from bw because of his corporate work. So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work. On January 23 2019 17:07 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 16:18 G5 wrote:
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Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater. cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years. On January 24 2019 15:04 Shinokuki wrote:
All i know is that sugo never cheats. He has so much pride for his skills that there is no point in cheating for him. Do you think cheating would make him feel good about his skills? I play sugo all the time. He does wild stuff and just blind build orders sometimes. He also makes ninja expo aka "sugo expo" that we make fun of. I guess I understand why some feel like he cheated. He's just that type of player. Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity. So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week? It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game. And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting. The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time. Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID. paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me. Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account? "i look forward to reading future tales of how skilled you are" Paper gosu it didn't take long before you talked yourself up again, why do you work so hard to convince people that you're good at BW? Tbh it's pretty meaningless.. but you try so hard. Bit weird t_t.
Cryoc is my favorite. Like some players who are guilty of classic American drama like pointed out by TT1 ^
he is no favorite to win the whole thing, but at least he doesn't act crazy coz someone coulda have gained an advantage by watching his stream while being to lazy for stream delay :p
Also i know him RL and he is a cool dude!
2nd place in my heart goes to the no-longer-mustache Zerg, Bakuryu!
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On January 26 2019 19:47 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 06:18 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:On January 23 2019 15:44 Shinokuki wrote:
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it ain't sugo. we are suspecting that it may be reaper[pain] or someone unknown who trained for years for this spotlight.
sugo said he has to take a break from bw because of his corporate work. So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work. On January 23 2019 17:07 Shinokuki wrote:
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cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years. On January 24 2019 15:04 Shinokuki wrote:
All i know is that sugo never cheats. He has so much pride for his skills that there is no point in cheating for him. Do you think cheating would make him feel good about his skills? I play sugo all the time. He does wild stuff and just blind build orders sometimes. He also makes ninja expo aka "sugo expo" that we make fun of. I guess I understand why some feel like he cheated. He's just that type of player. Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity. So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week? It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game. And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting. The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time. Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID. paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me. Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account? "i look forward to reading future tales of how skilled you are" Paper gosu it didn't take long before you talked yourself up again, why do you work so hard to convince people that you're good at BW? Tbh it's pretty meaningless.. but you try so hard. Bit weird t_t. Cryoc is my favorite. Like some players who are guilty of classic American drama like pointed out by TT1 ^ he is no favorite to win the whole thing, but at least he doesn't act crazy coz someone coulda have gained an advantage by watching his stream while being to lazy for stream delay :p Also i know him RL and he is a cool dude! 2nd place in my heart goes to the no-longer-mustache Zerg, Bakuryu!
Making a point that someone in a tournament may be cheating is now crazy?
You know, I play this game for fun. I entered this tournament, like others, for fun. I was under the impression that if someone is cheating in a tournament that you can point it out as people may and should care. Live tournaments have streams, on-stage screens, etc. Doesn't mean other players can flip on that stream or ask to view the stage screen and watch what their opponents are doing. It's cheating. Plain and simple. This guy, Kingdom, Arew, and all these other grown ass adults whom just think it's okay to cheat (PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THIS QUITE LITERALLY)... like what can you say... I dunno... Truthfully I'm ashamed of this community. Apparently it's now just full of people with ZERO competitive morality. At this point, I wouldn't even care to have a conversation with half of these people, let alone hear their shitty opinions on stuff. I want no part of it. I'm out of here.
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On January 26 2019 22:50 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 19:47 Cele wrote:On January 26 2019 06:18 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:
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So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work.
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Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years.
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Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity.
So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week?
It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game.
And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting.
The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time.
Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID. paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me. Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account? "i look forward to reading future tales of how skilled you are" Paper gosu it didn't take long before you talked yourself up again, why do you work so hard to convince people that you're good at BW? Tbh it's pretty meaningless.. but you try so hard. Bit weird t_t. Cryoc is my favorite. Like some players who are guilty of classic American drama like pointed out by TT1 ^ he is no favorite to win the whole thing, but at least he doesn't act crazy coz someone coulda have gained an advantage by watching his stream while being to lazy for stream delay :p Also i know him RL and he is a cool dude! 2nd place in my heart goes to the no-longer-mustache Zerg, Bakuryu! Making a point that someone in a tournament may be cheating is now crazy? You know, I play this game for fun. I entered this tournament, like others, for fun. I was under the impression that if someone is cheating in a tournament that you can point it out as people may and should care. Live tournaments have streams, on-stage screens, etc. Doesn't mean other players can flip on that stream or ask to view the stage screen and watch what their opponents are doing. It's cheating. Plain and simple. This guy, Kingdom, Arew, and all these other grown ass adults whom just think it's okay to cheat (PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THIS QUITE LITERALLY)... like what can you say... I dunno... Truthfully I'm ashamed of this community. Apparently it's now just full of people with ZERO competitive morality. At this point, I wouldn't even care to have a conversation with half of these people, let alone hear their shitty opinions on stuff. I want no part of it. I'm out of here.
Just plain old wrong. Never once said that. Dont put words in my mouth. What I said was stream cheating is impossible to prove 100% thus it's the streamers RESPONSIBILiTY to take steps to ensure it does not happen. Not use no delay them cry after because you THINK someone may be cheating.
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On January 26 2019 22:50 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 19:47 Cele wrote:On January 26 2019 06:18 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:59 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 23:20 TT1 wrote:On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:
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So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work.
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Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years.
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Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity.
So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week?
It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game.
And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting.
The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time.
Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID. paper gosus back flaunting his paper gosuness How you even have the nerve to comment on a thread that turned into stream cheating/hacking accusations is beyond me. Shouldn't you be commenting on your TT1_banned account? "i look forward to reading future tales of how skilled you are" Paper gosu it didn't take long before you talked yourself up again, why do you work so hard to convince people that you're good at BW? Tbh it's pretty meaningless.. but you try so hard. Bit weird t_t. Cryoc is my favorite. Like some players who are guilty of classic American drama like pointed out by TT1 ^ he is no favorite to win the whole thing, but at least he doesn't act crazy coz someone coulda have gained an advantage by watching his stream while being to lazy for stream delay :p Also i know him RL and he is a cool dude! 2nd place in my heart goes to the no-longer-mustache Zerg, Bakuryu! Making a point that someone in a tournament may be cheating is now crazy? You know, I play this game for fun. I entered this tournament, like others, for fun. I was under the impression that if someone is cheating in a tournament that you can point it out as people may and should care. Live tournaments have streams, on-stage screens, etc. Doesn't mean other players can flip on that stream or ask to view the stage screen and watch what their opponents are doing. It's cheating. Plain and simple. This guy, Kingdom, Arew, and all these other grown ass adults whom just think it's okay to cheat (PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED THIS QUITE LITERALLY)... like what can you say... I dunno... Truthfully I'm ashamed of this community. Apparently it's now just full of people with ZERO competitive morality. At this point, I wouldn't even care to have a conversation with half of these people, let alone hear their shitty opinions on stuff. I want no part of it. I'm out of here.
nah you clearly misunderstood me here and your clearly upset. So sorry if i phrased my words in a way that upset you apologize. Let me make my main argument clear, even though i expect you are not going to like it:
1) I consider stream cheating just as much cheating as hacking or ladder manipulating or match fixing. I condemn all sorts of cheating fully and uncompromisingly.
2) You have no proof SuGo is cheating, you are having a strong opinion but can't proof it to third parties. That is due to the fact that we talk about stream Cheating. From my Admins perspective (as long time Senior ICCUp Admin) there is a couple of tools that have been used in the past to convict Cheaters, including BWChart, Antihack Detection tools, IP comparision and in cases of ladder abuse, match history and such. All these cannot be applied when we talk about stream cheating, because it simply happens outside the software. We would need a fpview of the offender in question literally which any guilty offender would ofc not provide. Literally see from his perspective how he switches from ingame to your stream.
3) Punishing Cheaters is the prerogative and duty of Admins who run a Tour/Server by nature and not of players involved or attached to any party. Admins take a neutral ground and are not biased or reflect enough on their role to leave their bias out, worst case give any case to Admin colleagues who are not biased. Secondly it's the role of players to forward strong suspicions to the Admins w/o creating unnessary drama on the outside by contacting them. This gives Admins the best Chances to look into the case, gives the cheater the least warning. (even if SuGo cheated against you, hypothecically speaking, he will not continue to streamcheat because he is warned now) It avoids unnecessary drama in case an accusation is wrong. Furthermore, no matter if your accusation is right, all this drama creates a bad reputation for Zzzero's tournament and might look bad to sponsors and fans. He doesn't deserve this, this Tour is his passion as we all know.
Especially you as a veteran from the old days could and should have thought about that before posting here.
Calling players out in public does not improve chances of convicting them, it can damage the tournament integrity and the reporting player looks really infantile if his claim was invalid.
Pls compare the Mods statement, he already explained this:
On January 26 2019 03:29 2Pacalypse- wrote:
What the hell is going on here?
This is a thread dedicated to BSL6's Ladder Tours, Nation Wars and Map Pool discussion. This is not a thread to air personal grievances and for trash talk. In fact, no thread is a thread for that. Please try to keep the discussion on-topic, and try to keep the accusations of hacking and stream-cheating without definitive proof outside of our forums. In fact, that kind of stuff should be handled through proper communication channels with the tournament organizers.
Please think of ZZZero and other tournament organizers, who put a lot of their free time and energy into organizing events for the BW community, before you decide to derail their threads with outstanding amount of bullshit.
PS. I've put this thread on a lockdown for a couple of hours, to give you all a chance to read this and think hard before posting when it's reopened.
5) Very likely, Admins will neither be able to confirm nor deny your claim. The will look into the replay multiple times and perhaps even think that some stuff is suspicious. Could those plays also be explained by Sugo being a crazy player or by him taking advantage of knowing your playstyle while you did not know it was him? Will they come to a certain conclusion that stream Cheating was involved or will they deny it with certainty? Likely, none of it.
6) That leaves us in a very precarious situation, where the damage to the integrity of the tournament has already been done and where it can't be easily repaired. You and Nemu brought this onto us, don't go public with accusations if you cannot proof them. It have taken you 5 clicks to set your stream delay and perhaps half an hour to cool off after that suspicious game to figure out the proper way of communicating your suspicion.
7) Just for clarification: im not friends or enemies of any involved party here. I don't know you or Sugo very well nor any other american players posting here. I barely know Nemu from back in the day and while Cadenzie is on my clan, we don't have the biggest contact. My interest in this subject is founded in my passion for BSL-6 and as a former ICCup admin who has some experience in running tours.
So far i didn't even look at the replay in question, i have full confidence that BSL Admins will do their best tho.
Out of respect for BSL-6 im not gonna continue this argument here, G5. Feel free to take it to PM if you want to talk about it further.
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hahaha endin paper gosu. i think sugo do cheat. but dont worry everybody. he will be back from dark side like tt1 did
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Looks like G5 deleted his BSL6 account. All of this only to delete it... LOL
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On January 27 2019 04:46 ProtossGG wrote:
Looks like G5 deleted his BSL6 account. All this only to delete it... LOL
rage deletion?
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