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When is Jirai and Sugo match?
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On January 25 2019 23:11 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 22:48 ProtossGG wrote:On January 25 2019 22:29 EndingLife wrote:On January 25 2019 16:27 Shinokuki wrote:On January 24 2019 16:44 Sero wrote:On January 23 2019 15:44 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote:
Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater. It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? it ain't sugo. we are suspecting that it may be reaper[pain] or someone unknown who trained for years for this spotlight. sugo said he has to take a break from bw because of his corporate work. So first it flat out isn't Sugo because "we" suspect it's reaper[pain] or someone unknown, and Sugo is taking a forced break from BW due to his corporate work. On January 23 2019 17:07 Shinokuki wrote:On January 23 2019 16:18 G5 wrote:On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote:On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote:
Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater. It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater. cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. Then, because there's insane stream delay of several seconds, stream cheating doesn't even matter. It's not possible, and G5 just lost to a much superior player fair and square, whoever that may be. Probably some unknown gosu who's been training in secret for years. On January 24 2019 15:04 Shinokuki wrote:
All i know is that sugo never cheats. He has so much pride for his skills that there is no point in cheating for him. Do you think cheating would make him feel good about his skills? I play sugo all the time. He does wild stuff and just blind build orders sometimes. He also makes ninja expo aka "sugo expo" that we make fun of. I guess I understand why some feel like he cheated. He's just that type of player. Now that everyone found out it IS Sugo, you just know that Sugo would never cheat. Because this guy who apparently lied to you about taking a break from BW is full of integrity. So you play him all the time even though he's been working 100 hours a week since the beginning of last year (and did I mention he's busy on weekends too?), but this supposed break from BW due to excessive corporate work is a recent thing, right? Weird, what happened? Did he start working 200 hours a week? It's also interesting how you deny it's Sugo completely, but go on to defend and praise this random unknown whom you have no association with or reason to support without even watching the game. And here's that "we" again. We make fun of his "sugo expos," and he also happens to do random shit all the time, so any unusual plays should be immediately dismissed. Let's also just ignore the evidence from the game that can't be explained away by a preference for odd builds or ninja expos, like his divinely inspired unit movements and obviously feigned scouting. The "we" in your first post and the "we" in your last post imply you're speaking about the same group of people - your group of friends which includes Sugo who play together regularly. Are you sure you didn't know he was Msitua from the start? Really? Because it wasn't that hard for me to figure out, and you're friends with him and play together all the time. Amazing how he was able to fool your entire group into thinking he quit right when he got a new smurf account for BSL. I'm sure you really thought he had stopped playing. Either you're the most gullible person in the world, or your attempt to defend him by lying from the start is pathetically transparent. Tbh it does look inconsistent from what I say here. My original purpose was to hide sugo's identity so that he can go and troll entire foreign bw community with his mysterious BW ID ( I mean its online internet). When that didn't work and this "cheating" escalated entirely to a new level I wanted to defend sugo because I knew he didn't cheat. I guarantee he doesn't cheat. I think most of you don't know he reached D rank in OLD fish 4 years ago when only 3-4 foreigners achieved that at that time. No.. this wasn't the fish where you can easily get C this was when D rank was considered to be 2300 MMR korean level. So he did improve a lot ever since then. He should be able to get 2300 MMR especially on non vpn. I don't get why people are surprised by his mmr tbh. Aside from that, it seems like issue is cleared. Hope there is no further issue. Where did you get this info from? He wasn't D rank Fish back then lol. Right now I'd consider Sugo to be old D rank or so. I never was a “D player” or claim that from back then. All I can say is, I did “reach” D as Shin mentioned, which is what I also think he tried/meant to say. I recall I had hit very low 1400s on a lucky heater of games. But no, by no means was I a ‘D’ player. I was averaging around maybe 1200-1250 (E) during those old fish days and even getting knocked down to ‘F’ occasionally. Let’s not start anymore crazy assumptions. Must have been done in secret because I recall playing with you, mvp, favian etc back then. No offense, but you weren't anywhere near D lvl back then. You're much better now.. but still. There were only a few D or better foreigners at that time. Michael, Bizzy, Dsaqwe, Eon, Trutacz and Draw ring a bell. I reached D in a few games as well on Aegyo's ID.
I assume michael is kor-american because i saw him playing zotac tournament. Isnt bizzy pure korean? Or kor-canadian?
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On January 26 2019 02:18 Bonyth wrote:
But will you accept the show match Sugo? BO5 sounds good.
By the way I love how there are 2 topics running on silmultanously XD
I would like to accept the showmatch and leave a comment of sugo's level. 
I will check g5's replay soon. Sorry for making you guys wait.
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On January 26 2019 06:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 05:55 jinjin5000 wrote:
Nice drama
But not to level of daily Korean scene drama yet tho. Keep it up Would be sick if you could make a "Korean Scene Drama" thread and translate the juicy bits
You can find out on ygosu sc strat + sc broadcast forum community
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SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay.
My point of view.
1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push
2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.)
Possibility
2a) robo tech
2b) late DT(really useless)
3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC.
4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion.
5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC.
6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route.
7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map.
8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base.
SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s )
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On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s )
SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT.
21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20.
Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel.
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On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel.
Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever.
It’s simply “playing the player” and taking a calculated risk. Don’t tell me you’ve never played someone several times, picked up on a trend, and then abused it.
Anyways, done talking about this. Someone like Scan analyzes it and backed me up. Not to mention, G5 deleted the videos and his account - all sounds like some big ruse and accusation to me at this point.
Good luck continuing to find more stuff guys. You can argue with Scan now
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On January 27 2019 15:03 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel. Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever. It’s simply playing the player and taking a calculated risk.
I was replying to his first 2 points , i dunno anything about your history vs him. And in any case, that's a pretty stupid way to play. Why would you rely on your opponent to not do something? I've played him like 3 times and he went DT twice.
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On January 27 2019 15:07 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 15:03 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel. Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever. It’s simply playing the player and taking a calculated risk. I was replying to his first 2 points , i dunno anything about your history vs him. And in any case, that's a pretty stupid way to play. Why would you rely on your opponent to not do something? I've played him like 3 times and he went DT twice.
Maybe it is stupid (or smart, since I’m abusing him based on MY history of games against him?).
But it’s also stupid for you to dwell on this point as a basis of me cheating lol. “HE MADE TWO EXTRA GOONS, HES CHEATING!!”
Anyways, going to stop posting here. I should’ve done that a while ago. I appreciate Scan coming to help and also to others that gave supporting thoughts.
Good luck to those in BSL and for those that aren’t, continue to accuse and speculate. See you around.
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On January 27 2019 15:09 ProtossGG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 15:07 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 15:03 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel. Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever. It’s simply playing the player and taking a calculated risk. I was replying to his first 2 points , i dunno anything about your history vs him. And in any case, that's a pretty stupid way to play. Why would you rely on your opponent to not do something? I've played him like 3 times and he went DT twice. Maybe it is stupid (or smart, since I’m abusing him based on my history of games against him?). But it’s also stupid for you to dwell on this point as a basis of me cheating lol. “HE MADE TWO EXTRA GOONS, HES CHEATING!!” Anyways, you can argue with Scan at this point I suppose. You and the rest of FBW have bias and use that in your opinions and that’s very clear.
This alone doesn't mean you were stream cheating but like i mentioned, i've seen you in other ppls streams while you played them, several times. You played vs koget once, right when you guys matched i checked his viewer list and saw your id. After the game you came on his stream and asked "did we just play". That's just 1 example that stands out to me.
But like i said, if someone has an issue of playing vs possible stream cheaters (i'm still not 100% sure that you do btw, i just wouldn't risk streaming vs you) then they should really consider setting a delay or they can just turn the scene off during the game. That's why when we played our BO7 i turned my stream off btw  (which was a while back, well before any of this BSL stuff).
And I dunno what "FBW bias" means, my opinions are my own.. anyways, good luck in the tourney.
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On January 27 2019 15:25 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 15:09 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 15:07 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 15:03 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel. Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever. It’s simply playing the player and taking a calculated risk. I was replying to his first 2 points , i dunno anything about your history vs him. And in any case, that's a pretty stupid way to play. Why would you rely on your opponent to not do something? I've played him like 3 times and he went DT twice. Maybe it is stupid (or smart, since I’m abusing him based on my history of games against him?). But it’s also stupid for you to dwell on this point as a basis of me cheating lol. “HE MADE TWO EXTRA GOONS, HES CHEATING!!” Anyways, you can argue with Scan at this point I suppose. You and the rest of FBW have bias and use that in your opinions and that’s very clear. This alone doesn't mean you were stream cheating but like i mentioned, i've seen you in other ppls streams while you played them, several times. You played vs koget once, right when you guys matched i checked his viewer list and saw your id. After the game you came on his stream and asked "did we just play". That's just 1 example that stands out to me. But like i said, if someone has an issue of playing vs possible stream cheaters (i'm still not 100% sure that you do btw, i just wouldn't risk streaming vs you) then they should really consider setting a delay or they can just turn the scene off during the game. That's why when we played our BO7 i turned my stream off btw (which was a while back, well before any of this BSL stuff). And I dunno what "FBW bias" means, my opinions are my own.. anyways, good luck in the tourney.
YO TT1 DID YOU JUST POST IN THIS THREAD???
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On January 27 2019 16:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 15:25 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 15:09 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 15:07 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 15:03 ProtossGG wrote:On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel. Already answered this. I’ve played g5 a lot, he has never gone DT against me. There’s no logic in it. Why not make extra goons? If he went DT, ok, then I lost. But he didn’t and hasn’t in any previous games ever. It’s simply playing the player and taking a calculated risk. I was replying to his first 2 points , i dunno anything about your history vs him. And in any case, that's a pretty stupid way to play. Why would you rely on your opponent to not do something? I've played him like 3 times and he went DT twice. Maybe it is stupid (or smart, since I’m abusing him based on my history of games against him?). But it’s also stupid for you to dwell on this point as a basis of me cheating lol. “HE MADE TWO EXTRA GOONS, HES CHEATING!!” Anyways, you can argue with Scan at this point I suppose. You and the rest of FBW have bias and use that in your opinions and that’s very clear. This alone doesn't mean you were stream cheating but like i mentioned, i've seen you in other ppls streams while you played them, several times. You played vs koget once, right when you guys matched i checked his viewer list and saw your id. After the game you came on his stream and asked "did we just play". That's just 1 example that stands out to me. But like i said, if someone has an issue of playing vs possible stream cheaters (i'm still not 100% sure that you do btw, i just wouldn't risk streaming vs you) then they should really consider setting a delay or they can just turn the scene off during the game. That's why when we played our BO7 i turned my stream off btw (which was a while back, well before any of this BSL stuff). And I dunno what "FBW bias" means, my opinions are my own.. anyways, good luck in the tourney. YO TT1 DID YOU JUST POST IN THIS THREAD???
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On January 27 2019 14:56 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 14:18 LaStScan wrote:SuGo doesn't seem like he is streamcheating from that 11P Sugo vs 7P G5 replay. My point of view. 1) early 2 gates with cyber core = 1 zealot 4 dragoon push 2) he confirmed G5's # of dragoon at 5:15 game timer(100% no early DT.) Possibility 2a) robo tech 2b) late DT(really useless) 3) he confirmed probe scout coming out from 8 OC. 4) Pylon block by G5 when he wanted to expand, therefore he wants to take a very far location expansion. 5) he wants to hold G5's ramp as long as he can and check any unit unloading at 8 OC. 6) proxy pylons around the map where shuttle's route. 7) G5's speed shuttle harassment route was obvious to get caught in the middle of the map. 8) rally mining is not a rare case. SuGo did make non-stop probe and he has more than enough for 1 base. SuGo has better knowledge and better multitasking(from replay) than what G5 did(from the VOD I watched on Friday, but now it is deleted. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s ) SuGo's 1st probe scout was delayed and it saw 1 goon, he then went back asap (he didn't go in to see G5's 2nd goon timing). 1 goon = possibility of fast citadel/DT. 21 2nd gate = 4 goon 1 zeal pressure, correct. Problem is SuGo didn't have any scouting info on whether or not his oppo was going DT in the early game. If you don't build your robo after 4 goons you die to DT, SuGo made his 5th and 6th goons (blindly) and started his robo at ~5:05. This = 100% dead vs DT. Scouting G5's goons at 5:15 is meaningless because had he gone DT he would already be dead, he made his robo too late. DT can be at your base at like 5:20. Other points i don't really care about, my main point is he could have glanced at G5's stream to check whether or not he went fast citadel.
1 zealot 4 dragoons push can literally crush fast dt on that map. Fast dt build only makes 2 dragoons max. It does not really matter if sugo made 5, 6th goon first and then robotics. Also, two forge wall can buy a lot of time to prepare his observer out.
The only reason fast dt can go a late game is when the opponent is playing defensively such as 1 gate robo and then 2nd gate.
Making cannons and ht storm defense into goon.
I dont know the game clock of fast dt gen, but it is around 5 min mark. It arrives around 520~530(depends on the map) at terrans natural in PvT.
Terran makes ebay at 4:20, 5 min at turret to defend this.
Using this information of pvt fast dt expansion build, that 1 zealot and 4 goons can break the front and run in to damage opponents eco. Opponent has to make a decision. Send 1dt and 1dt to defend or 2dt to defend. It will take a long time to kill dragoons since its movement speed is faster than dt. Also 1dt cannot break two forge wall before ob comes out.
The best defense is a good offense.
Edit: i forgot to mention about scouting time. It is useless to scout after the first gate like what G5 did. Either core scout, 1st goon scout mostly. I can assume SuGo wanted to scout location with his probe before he gets prepared to push. That map has high ground advantage and sugo probably didnt want to lose any shield of his dragoon or whatever his thought in his mind is.
I sometimes watch afreeca stream and i saw several times best scouts after his core is finished.
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Doesn’t anyone have any way of combatting get disconnects on ladder? Really prevents you from moving up through c and b where 3 out of every 4 games are “undecided” and no one gets any mmr points because a player pulls their Ethernet plug when they are losing the game lol.
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On January 28 2019 05:47 MightyBeast wrote:
Doesn’t anyone have any way of combatting get disconnects on ladder? Really prevents you from moving up through c and b where 3 out of every 4 games are “undecided” and no one gets any mmr points because a player pulls their Ethernet plug when they are losing the game lol.
You do get those points eventually, just not right away. The server knows who disconnected.
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On January 28 2019 05:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2019 05:47 MightyBeast wrote:
Doesn’t anyone have any way of combatting get disconnects on ladder? Really prevents you from moving up through c and b where 3 out of every 4 games are “undecided” and no one gets any mmr points because a player pulls their Ethernet plug when they are losing the game lol. You do get those points eventually, just not right away. The server knows who disconnected.
That’s what I’m waiting for though, I don’t ever get the points it seems or I’m not notified if I do. Looking at my history a undecided result never turns green to a “win” but u thought blizzard had put that in to this patch1.22
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