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iFU.spx
Russian Federation151 Posts
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IvaNioX2
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden94 Posts
On January 21 2019 04:08 Terrorterran wrote: They most likely wanted bonyth to play even when there were more active players laddering so it didn´t matter how much time other players invested in this. Good to know though I wont be laddering much for next nation wars and I will just bully whoever qualifies to let me play.  a player withdrawing due to WCS in sc2 is bullying to u? thats some great mindset | ||
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G5
United States2729 Posts
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jordeady
Peru25 Posts
On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote: Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater. It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? | ||
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jordeady
Peru25 Posts
On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote: It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? ok sorry. it's a "rumor" only and sugo apparently denied it in someone's twitch chat. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States564 Posts
On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote: It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? it ain't sugo. we are suspecting that it may be reaper[pain] or someone unknown who trained for years for this spotlight. sugo said he has to take a break from bw because of his corporate work. | ||
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G5
United States2729 Posts
On January 23 2019 14:58 jordeady wrote: It is Sugo. Why do you make such claim though? Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater. | ||
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Hatchet_man
Russian Federation159 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States564 Posts
On January 23 2019 16:18 G5 wrote: Because I played him twice and he looked like he was hacking or stream cheating. Why else would I make that claim? I was streaming at the time, watched the rep on stream, and no one in the chat / stream disagreed. Looks like he is a cheater. cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. | ||
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Sero
United States664 Posts
On January 23 2019 17:07 Shinokuki wrote: cmon man. You can't hack in remastered and there is also an insane stream delay that it doesn't even matter at that point. You lost fair and square to much superior player. Of course he will think you were gonna harrass when he contained you. That person might've had better game sense fair and square. Game starts at 1:21:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s Did you watch it or just go ahead and decide that G5 is a moron? Stream delay isn't "insane," it's like 5 seconds. I agree with G5 that it's extremely suspicious, and calling the guy a "much superior player" is a joke. He makes impossible scouts and blind reads at perfect times for no logical reason, but at the same time he can't do basic things like walk down a ramp while attacking or use F-keys to transfer probes away from a reaver drop that he knew was coming far in advance. 2319 MMR players do not play this poorly and just luck into an 80% winrate at 61-15. The direct shuttle rally and army movement to meet it above G5's base might be legit, but everything else is pretty hard to believe. The inconsistencies from the way he played the previous game (it was a re on the same map) are also significant, like the way he carelessly walks up the high ground when last game he was careful to position his units beforehand. There's plenty of other magical unit movements, but the top right probe scout is hilarious. | ||
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Trutaacz
74 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium5651 Posts
On January 23 2019 18:00 Trutaacz wrote: Isn't sugo the guy who was saying that dandy being on official chat while playing tournament games is totally fine? kek you are making such a big deal from it.i also dont understand why players do it but i also found Kenzy and Dewalt on my stream chat while playing me in tournaments.i just hope they had the decensy to stop the stream while playing me LOL | ||
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Sero
United States664 Posts
On January 23 2019 18:00 Trutaacz wrote: Isn't sugo the guy who was saying that dandy being on official chat while playing tournament games is totally fine? kek https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/540390-bsl6-ladder-tours-nation-wars-and-map-pool?page=3#47 Yeah, he defends that a bit. A few other things I've noticed: 1. Msitua is autism backwards. Sugo is in clan "No Autism Squad," and according to team leader Dragon, "the no autism thing is an in joke because SuGo[NaS] would always call ppl autistic if they played badly, or for any reason really." https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/531961-stpl-18-19-season-round-1#7 2. There are only a handful of American (or North American) S rank protoss players. Msitua's account is from the US with TR24 vs G5 and he speaks English. 3. Sugo is well known for his BM (though he denies that). Msitua bms G5 at the end of the game. 4. Sugo is often found in the viewer lists of streamers he's playing against mid-game. He has literally played someone while in their stream the entire time, then immediately posted in chat after winning to say "Oh, that was you? I had no idea we just played!" I can find the streamer and other viewers to confirm this if necessary. His explanation that, "I'm always on [Bonyth's] stream and many others and usually chatting with them. And then just moves into 'hey, let's play' and I just never close their stream" doesn't add up when he's pretending to not even know they were playing. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/540390-bsl6-ladder-tours-nation-wars-and-map-pool?page=3#55 Personally, I have very little doubt that he is a stream cheater, although it's a difficult thing to "prove." | ||
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Trutaacz
74 Posts
On January 23 2019 18:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you are making such a big deal from it.i also dont understand why players do it but i also found Kenzy and Dewalt on my stream chat while playing me in tournaments.i just hope they had the decensy to stop the stream while playing me LOL Well i'm just fooling around. I don't accuse anyone of hacking, it' just... just players shouldn't be on the chats while playing tournament games. | ||
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kogeT
Poland1373 Posts
On January 23 2019 18:47 Trutaacz wrote: Well i'm just fooling around. I don't accuse anyone of hacking, it' just... just players shouldn't be on the chats while playing tournament games. You are right, people should make sure to log out from their account before stream cheating, LOL. Honestly this is something everyone has to accept, you open a stream, you stop the stream, you stay on chat. Period. There is nothing you can do about it if you are a streamer and you shouldn't accuse people of cheating unless very deeply analyzed and proven. | ||
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TT1
Canada8934 Posts
On January 23 2019 13:38 G5 wrote: Who is BSL6-Msitua? Reason I ask is he plays like a hacker / stream cheater. I wouldn't put it past SuGo (assuming he's BSL6-Msitua) to stream snipe and stream cheat to boost his BSL6 acc. I myself don't have any concrete evidence of this (screenshot/twitch vid) but i've seen him play vs streamers plenty of times in the past while being on their twitch chat. It's happened so many times that it's pretty much a common joke we make about him now. That's where the SuGo "did we just play" meme comes from. Again, all this is assuming BSL6-Msitua is SuGo and people have concrete evidence of him cheating (which i guess pretty much requires a confession, if the evidence is gameplay related w/e he does has to be super blatant). That said, even tho it's a pretty dickish thing to do he's basically just MMR boosting. I dunno if that's something BSL/ZZZero wanna ban a player over (assuming you find concrete evidence of him doing this) but i leave that decision to them. He's pretty much just the type of guy you can't be streaming live against if you're playing him in a showmatch/tourney (i wouldn't do this vs anyone tbh, that's a personal choice tho). And to be fair, as much as it sucks, you do leave yourself open to that sort of behavior by streaming BSL ladder games (or any type of live event/match). If it's something you actually care about then you need to always play with a delay on, if not then you pretty much just have to accept that a lot of random people are gonna be stream cheating against you. It comes with the territory, sadly there's not much you can do about it. When I'm laddering I personally don't mind playing vs snipers, i get quicker Q times but you obviously don't wanna be playing vs stream cheaters. No chance i'd stream a tourney or showmatch live tho. | ||
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Cele
Germany3538 Posts
Thats not a new technique even, folks should know about it. Dunno who said above that you can not hack in sc:r, but thats totally untrue afaik!! Does sc:r have a funtioning Ah, did blizzard ever mention that? How does it work? How often is it updated? As far as i know, there is no AH in place? | ||
HaN-
France1735 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + OBS Settings > Advanced > Stream Delay ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/U3ZHq4N.png) | ||
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TT1
Canada8934 Posts
On January 23 2019 17:39 Sero wrote: Game starts at 1:21:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/368330585?t=01h21m00s Did you watch it or just go ahead and decide that G5 is a moron? Stream delay isn't "insane," it's like 5 seconds. I agree with G5 that it's extremely suspicious, and calling the guy a "much superior player" is a joke. He makes impossible scouts and blind reads at perfect times for no logical reason, but at the same time he can't do basic things like walk down a ramp while attacking or use F-keys to transfer probes away from a reaver drop that he knew was coming far in advance. 2319 MMR players do not play this poorly and just luck into an 80% winrate at 61-15. The direct shuttle rally and army movement to meet it above G5's base might be legit, but everything else is pretty hard to believe. The inconsistencies from the way he played the previous game (it was a re on the same map) are also significant, like the way he carelessly walks up the high ground when last game he was careful to position his units beforehand. There's plenty of other magical unit movements, but the top right probe scout is hilarious. I just watched the vod, i think the goon that was walking close to G5's 3rd saw the 2nd probe (the 1 heading to top right) because it instantly moved back.. as if it saw something. G5 then got his nat pylon blocked by another probe but that 1 was too far out relative to where he saw the 2nd probe (the 1 heading to top right) with his goon. If the goon did see the 2nd probe he can safely deduce that there's a 2nd probe out on the map and that there's a possibility G5 could be taking a hidden exp. Would need to see the rep to confirm this tho. But yea there's a lot of other weird coincidences during the game. For example when you don't probe scout at a high lvl you either wanna go into a 1g robo, fastest dt or just try to mindgame allin by going 3 gate goon (because at a high lvl your oppo will probably assume that you're going 1g robo, so they might not DT). Doing a middle of the road 2 gate goon pressure into robo isn't a very logical build to do when you don't have any scouting info tho.. and usually when you do this build you have to get your robo after your 3rd and 4th goon or you just die to dts. You can only safely build your 5th or 6th goon before a robo if you can confirm your oppo's goon count (which he didn't do), aka if you can safely confirm that there's no DT. | ||
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