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TrueIrish
6 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6737 Posts
On January 25 2019 01:47 Sero wrote: How much whining must be going on in the NaS discord for you to decide to come contribute with your third post here Irish? By the way, I specifically said it wasn't hard to figure out, and I wasn't even the one streaming. Who would have thought the No Autism Squad was a scummy clan? At least make an effort to defend him. Junsu did a much better job. you should mind your words sir.i get you dont like sugo,but to be honest all the arguments u can use it on anyone.i kind of get people getting suspicious about sugo retardness of being on peoples stream chat and playing them.i will also suspect the same.but at the same time sugo is not someone that good to be called hacker.never win a tournament,doesnt have decent stats.what happened here is that sugo was smurfing and he has the upper hand ofcourse.no matter what it is gonna look suspicious but is not the same u playing agaisnt someone you know and he doesnt know who you are. anyway they are cool people on this weird named team like Terror Dragon myself and some others noobs i dont know very well.sugo is particular sometimes but well i dont think he hacks or stream cheat. the witchhunt is big on this thread.let it be. | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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Sero
United States692 Posts
On January 25 2019 02:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you should mind your words sir.i get you dont like sugo,but to be honest all the arguments u can use it on anyone.i kind of get people getting suspicious about sugo retardness of being on peoples stream chat and playing them.i will also suspect the same.but at the same time sugo is not someone that good to be called hacker.never win a tournament,doesnt have decent stats.what happened here is that sugo was smurfing and he has the upper hand ofcourse.no matter what it is gonna look suspicious but is not the same u playing agaisnt someone you know and he doesnt know who you are. anyway they are cool people on this weird named team like Terror Dragon myself and some others noobs i dont know very well.sugo is particular sometimes but well i dont think he hacks or stream cheat. the witchhunt is big on this thread.let it be. You're right, Eon. I apologize for insulting the entire clan. | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
Let the chips fall as they may. This is how I see it. - For someone to purchase a 2nd ID to smurf entails two things: 1.) that individual is insecure 2.) that individual is intending to cheat. I learned this yesterday. - No one can prove 100% that Sugo cheated, and no one can ban him from playing BW. Free sugo? He literally can do whatever he wants. That hasn't changed. - If we no longer see suspicious stuff from Sugo going forward. It's a win-win. And don't make me point out the obvious. Looked back. He sent his probe after warping 2nd gateway straight to my 5pool lings. Just another lucky move. If this persists, he will continue to have a bad name and might as well play the lottery for being the luckiest user alive. At some point his luck SHOULD run out. Please ... ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/5itVUtF.jpg) | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6737 Posts
On January 25 2019 02:39 IMJIRAIYA wrote: @eon. I can't speak on Dewalt but I would lay $$ that Kenzy has never stream cheated. So similar to my feeling on Yaj from Jaeyun. I'd refrain from making accusations without any proof. Especially for someone like you who has a large viewer base. idk if you understood what i was trying to say but the point is everyone was freaking out when dandy was on the stream chat.when there are others that does it aswell,the two players i mentioned for example.by any means im telling they are cheating.but is a fact that their nickname was on my chat.well i actually blame kenzy for it at the time dont gonna lie :D xD but i dont believe they are stream cheating.taking in consideration that stream has natural delay i dont even think it will matter .but well thats other argument. | ||
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Q~Bert
United States663 Posts
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
I just want this to be a mechanism to keep players in check. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland582 Posts
As for the whole staying on the chat thing, it wouldn't be surprising for a player (dandy) to want to see opponent's chat reaction from his game against the streamer AFTER the game finished. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
Clearly, BSL Admins will investigate any incident that is suspicious of cheating and will punish cheating. Open speculation about certain replays, personal bias and foremost fbw vs nas discord drama bs do not contribute to that. You just litter this thread with you personal biases, in defensive speeches for your clans, friends or whatever attachment it is. I strongly suggest to take that back to discord. This thread is about bsl-6, not your drama. Whoever feels insecure about stream cheating should use a stream delay instead of acting entitled. If you're to lazy for a stream delay, it's nobody's fault but yours. | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
In other words, it excludes you. I just want it to be heard by the user, felt by the user, and give the user a chance to make amends. Appreciate your 2 cents though. | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 25 2019 04:42 IMJIRAIYA wrote: @Cele. I agree with the whole discord drama. This is really between the user in question, and the people who have suspicion and direct involvement. BSL6 admins do not need to investigate anything unless it continues happening. In other words, it excludes you. I just want it to be heard by the user, felt by the user, and give the user a chance to make amends. Appreciate your 2 cents though. Wrong. If there would be a strong incentive to look into it, it would be done behind the curtains. And that excludes you and me. This here? Just drama in public. If people suspect anything, they should feel free to report that to their trusty admins in order to clear it up. Exposing it on tl serves many things to certain users, it doesn't serve finding cheaters. If a player has a strong suspicion and his premiere interest is investigation: you contact han, hatchet or whoever is in charge instead of blowing up this balloon. | ||
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Jealous
10229 Posts
Then, he is also good enough at the game that he can take legit games off of some of the higher level foreigners without cheating, but bad enough that he needs to stream cheat with a delay to deduce that a player who is reverse ramp contained in PvP will need to use a shuttle to harass or ferry units. He is also ethically questionable enough to risk his rep as a strong player and position in one of the biggest foreign tournaments in recent memory to get 20 points, but also community-conscious enough to spend hours training newbies in CPL, joining multiple hour length casts where he shares and analyzes his reps and also gives feedback on low level play. I think we should start a GoFundMe for him to see a shrink, I think this kind of inconsistency of character is indicative of schizoid personality disorder. In all seriousness, Sugo is no saint. He has BM'd, surfed, etc. However I would say that it is fallacious to conflate BM with bad competitive ethics, or the common practice of being in a person's chat openly in order to hear the reactions post-game and being a sneaky stream cheater. We will probably never know the truth because it is impossible to verify. Jiraya mentioned this but let's be completely honest - in your long and storied BW careers, have you never blind countered someone's early pool or scouted a proxy immediately, or had your army in a lucky position to snipe a dropship? If so I hope you have more luck in other endeavors in your life because those things happen to me quite frequently. | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
Filter out the drama and extra background noise. The bottom line is, anyone can do whatever they want and G5/myself made some observations about a particular player. Now that player is on the spot which is enough, and it ends there. I wouldn't dilute this whole thread even more with your opinions. | ||
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IMJIRAIYA
59 Posts
"whos BSL6-Mitsua". It was after the fact we learned who it was. To mention BM, or pre-thoughts/opinions about Sugo is independent of the initial thing that raised suspicion. In a vacuum, the play from this ID is/was questionable. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada777 Posts
sugo purchased that account and smurfed as hard and he could and stream sniped G5 and jira in order to get a high enough mmr to get into bsl and if anyone raised suspicion that it was a stream sniper he would of abandoned that account but if no1 said anything and just asked who it was he would of stayed quite until the ladder was over or until he had a comfortable spot and then relieved it was him. the only reason why he revealed it was him was because like 5+ ppl on TL said they think its him, he wasnt even telling his friends like shin that it was him (hmm?) i do think theres a high chance that he would do this to G5 and jira because they are at 2100~ mmr and streaming and more importantly sugo knows/thinks he is a stronger player *most of the time* but not everytime but he couldn't resist a for sure spot in the ro24 with such juicy mmr prey on the ladder, ive watched the games and i think its pretty suspicious that the last games before sugo got enough points to qualify in a comfortable spot were vs G5 and jira both in a series and both right after 1 an other (hmm?). not to mention seriously questionable games, evidence in the G5 and jira restreams | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On January 25 2019 03:27 Cele wrote: This whole Thread is full of unnessary gossip, accusations and personal drama. Clearly, BSL Admins will investigate any incident that is suspicious of cheating and will punish cheating. Open speculation about certain replays, personal bias and foremost fbw vs nas discord drama bs do not contribute to that. You just litter this thread with you personal biases, in defensive speeches for your clans, friends or whatever attachment it is. I strongly suggest to take that back to discord. This thread is about bsl-6, not your drama. Whoever feels insecure about stream cheating should use a stream delay instead of acting entitled. If you're to lazy for a stream delay, it's nobody's fault but yours. There is no discord drama. Just because sugo apparently rubs a lot of people the wrong way doesn't make this "fbw vs nas". Also, I don't think I spread this news enough yet, but I can't refuse a request from the king himself: <From: Shield]JorDaddy> chava <From: Shield]JorDaddy> sugo die in my hands <From: Shield]JorDaddy> early in ladder Your friend RunescapeAddict left a game. <From: Shield]JorDaddy> go send the news to all comunity Your friend RunescapeAddict entered a custom game called 111. Error: Failed to send end game result to server. <From: Shield]JorDaddy> king dady is back | ||
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seriosity
United States214 Posts
...except people have known autism was sugo for two weeks now. pretty sure the bsl admins have known since the beginning. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ZqB54mV.jpg) | ||
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