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polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1763 Posts
September 02 2018 16:41 GMT
#181
JD looking good! His APM and his tactical thinking are shining through in these last few tournament games. Watching Sea and Killer struggle in the last fight really highlighted JD's skill in his games.
Leee Jaee Doong
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
September 02 2018 17:47 GMT
#182
Such a good time to be a Jaedong fan.
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AF0x
Profile Joined June 2018
United States59 Posts
September 02 2018 17:53 GMT
#183
Watching JD pull off 9 pool vs. Killer's 12 pool (something Liquipedia says is a build order-win/strong advantage for 12p) was really cool. It seemed like Killer was in a pretty strong defensive and economic position, but JD found the perfect spot to engage with his mutas and lings. Such a cool play to watch! And his ZvT vs. Sea seemed very well calculated from the beginning, and played well to the strengths of a brand-new map for this season. Super excited to watch more JD games!
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4028 Posts
September 02 2018 18:38 GMT
#184
That last game was really bad. First minutes of the game Sea was playing very sloppy, losing all the army left and right and not getting anything done. Basically at some point it was all over.
Then Baxter built some ultralisks and basically his brain switched off. He didn't know what to do next, he never got a proper engagement, was lacking defilers (or lacking usage of defilers) and started losing units one-by-one to barely controlled terran mnm army. Just thinking about this game makes me mad. I miss Larva.
Drone is a way of living
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
September 02 2018 19:14 GMT
#185
Rather meh all in all. Glad JD got to the next round. Thought Baxter (Killer?) got a build order win but JD pulled that apart beautifully.

Grateful we're getting so much BW again.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
September 02 2018 19:21 GMT
#186
Sad not to see Baxter going through he seems really sympathetic. Did he really have some drinks with JD? XD
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8589 Posts
September 02 2018 19:54 GMT
#187
On September 03 2018 02:53 AF0x wrote:
Watching JD pull off 9 pool vs. Killer's 12 pool (something Liquipedia says is a build order-win/strong advantage for 12p) was really cool. It seemed like Killer was in a pretty strong defensive and economic position, but JD found the perfect spot to engage with his mutas and lings. Such a cool play to watch! And his ZvT vs. Sea seemed very well calculated from the beginning, and played well to the strengths of a brand-new map for this season. Super excited to watch more JD games!


Back in the day, Jaedong was known for winning ZvZs, even with a BO disadvantage. He basically defied the common knowledge of the rock/paper/scissor BOs in ZvZ, ramping up to a win percentage of close to 80% in the MU. It's really nice to be able to see a bit of that again. Although it seems like Jaedong is back to a form he hasn't been in for years. I'm really happy for him and hope that continues.
Barneyk
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden310 Posts
September 02 2018 23:01 GMT
#188
On September 03 2018 04:21 Kimb3r wrote:
Sad not to see Baxter going through he seems really sympathetic. Did he really have some drinks with JD? XD


Baxter, or Killer as he was called back then, was a bit of JDs protégé back in the KESPA days so I am sure they are friendly with eachother still.
nah
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
September 03 2018 03:55 GMT
#189
Damn, the Jaedong of old is seriously making a return, impeccable games.

Killer of old seemed present here too lol, aka the Oz recipient of the "doom zoom". Don't think I've seen Ultralisks look that weak in a long time.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
September 03 2018 04:31 GMT
#190
On September 03 2018 12:55 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Damn, the Jaedong of old is seriously making a return, impeccable games.

Killer of old seemed present here too lol, aka the Oz recipient of the "doom zoom". Don't think I've seen Ultralisks look that weak in a long time.

You can see JD doing the same build here vs eros_byul/kangtaewan.

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O.P.
Profile Joined October 2007
Sweden109 Posts
September 03 2018 05:38 GMT
#191
Seems zergs have switched back to three hatch muta against terran. Was there a meta switch that I missed?
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
September 03 2018 13:01 GMT
#192
On September 03 2018 14:38 O.P. wrote:
Seems zergs have switched back to three hatch muta against terran. Was there a meta switch that I missed?

3 hatch muta has been the most common build for the last 12 years or so, except for 2009 when 2 hatch was more prevalent.

About the Sea vs Killer game, I don't see why so many people are complaining. Sea played very well in the 2nd part of the game, coming back from a very bad spot. Killer played well too, his engagements were mostly on point, very good swarm usage and sick constant vessel snipes. Even the counter-attack was a good choice, when he realised how much Sea had at his nat, he just turned back and crushed the main army, hard to judge the size of each army beforehand and a bad fight could have cost him the game. The huge mistake was not upgrading further than 1/2 which cost him the game in the end.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8589 Posts
September 03 2018 14:22 GMT
#193
On September 03 2018 22:01 ortseam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2018 14:38 O.P. wrote:
Seems zergs have switched back to three hatch muta against terran. Was there a meta switch that I missed?

3 hatch muta has been the most common build for the last 12 years or so, except for 2009 when 2 hatch was more prevalent.

About the Sea vs Killer game, I don't see why so many people are complaining. Sea played very well in the 2nd part of the game, coming back from a very bad spot. Killer played well too, his engagements were mostly on point, very good swarm usage and sick constant vessel snipes. Even the counter-attack was a good choice, when he realised how much Sea had at his nat, he just turned back and crushed the main army, hard to judge the size of each army beforehand and a bad fight could have cost him the game. The huge mistake was not upgrading further than 1/2 which cost him the game in the end.


His decision to counter attack _was_ bad. If you think your army isn't strong enough at that particular point, you have to stall. You don't stall by sending your whole army to counter attack if the terran is already at your nat. What do you expect him to do? Turn around? Of course not.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
September 03 2018 15:18 GMT
#194
the counter attack was a very bad decision, but that kind of stuff happens. no big deal. pretty much all non-flash players do equally questionable stuff at times. but neglecting or forgetting to get 5-2 for his ultralisks for 10 minutes? that's a different level of bad - he was mining from 4 or more bases the entire time. I'd be disappointed seeing that from a B rank nonkorean.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8589 Posts
September 03 2018 15:54 GMT
#195
On September 04 2018 00:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the counter attack was a very bad decision, but that kind of stuff happens. no big deal. pretty much all non-flash players do equally questionable stuff at times. but neglecting or forgetting to get 5-2 for his ultralisks for 10 minutes? that's a different level of bad - he was mining from 4 or more bases the entire time. I'd be disappointed seeing that from a B rank nonkorean.


Yeah, true. It's detrimental if the other player keeps up with his upgrades, which Sea did. I was also wondering why he wouldn't go for Plague in such a long game against SK Terran. Makes no sense to me.
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
September 03 2018 17:00 GMT
#196
I think his apm was also falling a bit in the later stages of the game (not 100% sure though, didn't look it back, but it seemed relatively low) and it really seemed like he couldn't keep up (bad/late dark swarms/ultra's kept running out of dark swarm and suiciding/bad unit control in general/etc.). I think that might also be the cause of the missing upgrades and lack of plague usage. Still quite an achievement, that game was almost impossible to lose.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19297 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 10:12:13
September 03 2018 17:33 GMT
#197
A note for tastosis:
In game 4 you obviously noticed the lair/den before spire. Larva has actually been popularizing this build order lately. Most noticeably in his bo5 against Best in the Danjjing Starleague he does it in (i believe) the first and last game of the series. It's definitely worth a watch and will give you good insight for future casts. You can find the games in the small vod thread.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
September 04 2018 02:56 GMT
#198
its almost like you want to do their job
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3121 Posts
September 04 2018 09:40 GMT
#199
Can someone please do a group B thread? I'm working on paint to make a thread but it's really bad.
Artosis loves Starcraft
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 04 2018 17:17 GMT
#200
This was a fun group to watch, especially the TvZs. Jaedong had a nice idea on that new map and Sea's macro in the last game was pretty insane. It's true that the counter attack and little upgrades by Killer were bad and helped Sea to win, but space control with SK Terran on a big map like Circuit Breaker is really rough and Sea just did it perfectly in the second half of the game imo.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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