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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5819 Posts
April 24 2018 20:08 GMT
#261
On April 25 2018 04:58 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2018 21:40 Peeano wrote:
On April 24 2018 19:21 Peeano wrote:
Could someone get me the Korean map names in text?
https://i.imgur.com/ZCQyMPs.png



Third World
Transistor
Sparkle
Gladiator
Third World

Wasn't looking for a translation. I'm looking to copy/paste the Korean text
FBH #1!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19383 Posts
April 24 2018 20:14 GMT
#262
That last game was very similar to this http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/games/201455_Hyuk_vs_Mong/vod
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
April 24 2018 20:48 GMT
#263
I know the map pool isn't great, but for people getting tired of Flash auto-winning every season it's nice to have a sliver of hope someone else will. Not that I think that'll happen though
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22548 Posts
April 24 2018 20:54 GMT
#264
On April 25 2018 05:48 mierin wrote:
I know the map pool isn't great, but for people getting tired of Flash auto-winning every season it's nice to have a sliver of hope someone else will. Not that I think that'll happen though

Flash should lose because someone else was better.
Not because the tournament organizers literally stacked the deck against him.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1717 Posts
April 24 2018 23:00 GMT
#265
INCREDIBLE series.

Fuck Sparkle man... (((((((((((

oh well. gg
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
April 24 2018 23:04 GMT
#266
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-24 23:32:36
April 24 2018 23:26 GMT
#267
On April 25 2018 08:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. People hate Sparkle because it is IMBALANCED.
It gives a CLEAR advantage to one race. Nobody cares if it is a slower paced or different strats come out, that is fine.
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
April 25 2018 00:05 GMT
#268
On April 25 2018 08:26 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 08:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. People hate Sparkle because it is IMBALANCED.
It gives a CLEAR advantage to one race. Nobody cares if it is a slower paced or different strats come out, that is fine.


Maybe Flash will off-race on sparkle, he did joke after ASL 4 that he may try another race than terran. Might be worth it on that one map
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
April 25 2018 00:23 GMT
#269
just finished watching the series. wow! greatly played by both players... all good games except sparkle. looks like it’s a free win for hero,
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 00:54:09
April 25 2018 00:53 GMT
#270
On April 25 2018 08:26 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 08:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. People hate Sparkle because it is IMBALANCED.
It gives a CLEAR advantage to one race. Nobody cares if it is a slower paced or different strats come out, that is fine.

Not according to Flash. Maybe he was bluffing, but he said that he's so confident on Sparkle that he's moved on to preparing for other maps.
KTY
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 25 2018 01:03 GMT
#271
On April 25 2018 08:26 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 08:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. People hate Sparkle because it is IMBALANCED.
It gives a CLEAR advantage to one race. Nobody cares if it is a slower paced or different strats come out, that is fine.


I'd say it's more because it produces boring games than anything else. I just skip those games.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
April 25 2018 01:21 GMT
#272
On April 25 2018 05:54 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 05:48 mierin wrote:
I know the map pool isn't great, but for people getting tired of Flash auto-winning every season it's nice to have a sliver of hope someone else will. Not that I think that'll happen though

Flash should lose because someone else was better.
Not because the tournament organizers literally stacked the deck against him.

I agree with this. ASL is meant to represent competitive Broodwar. I find stacking the maps like that very unprofessional by the organisers.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 25 2018 01:40 GMT
#273
amazing games
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8700 Posts
April 25 2018 02:33 GMT
#274
On April 25 2018 08:26 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 08:04 Alpha-NP- wrote:
A lot of people hate the map Sparkle because it is different and slower paced. But island maps are epic. It's like everyone downvoted that game 3 was bad on Sparkle just because it was an island map. It was actually a cool good game.


Wrong. Absolutely wrong. People hate Sparkle because it is IMBALANCED.
It gives a CLEAR advantage to one race. Nobody cares if it is a slower paced or different strats come out, that is fine.


Are you kidding me? Just because terrans seem to be incapable of adapting to an island map doesn't mean it's imbalanced. It's way too early to say anything about balance because it still needs to be figured out. The biggest problem right now is that terrans refuse to play the economic game on a map that prevents early harass. I mean, terrans love to go Rax-CC or 14CC on normal maps but here they go 2 port wraith before CC which does absolutely nothing because the zerg has already defense up by the time the wraiths come out.
Take the game in this series for example. 2 port wraith, didn't do any damage. The only advantage had was map control. What would you normally do when you have map control and the opponent has no way of attacking you? Expanding. When did he start his third? At 11.30. Really? He started his third when Hero was finally starting to build up a force to regain some of that map control. Then Mind started mass-expanding. It was already too late at that point, sorry. You don't go 2 port on a normal map and let the zerg get away with 3 bases without taking damage and still expect to win the game. Why would you expect a win on Sparkle?

To address the other games, I feel like they played on even footing. Game 1 should have been Mind's. He had a good timing, just 10 seconds too late. He played a good harass game and had Hero pinned against the wall. However, after he killed the third and fourth he decided it would be a good idea to sacrifice half his vessels to erase a handful of drones, which Hero didn't need in that moment. That and his general sloppiness regarding his vessels lost him the game. He never really got a fleet together to fight the defilers and ultras.
Game 2 Mind basically won with the first push. He forced enough lings and sunkens (that did nothing) at the muta timing so Hero never had the chance to put on any pressure or take a third after.
Game 4 was pretty well played by both. Not much to say, Mind just managed to overwhelm Hero before his economy really kicked in.
Game 5 was weird. 2 port wraith again. I would have liked to see a repeat of Game 1 and with a stronger focus on saving vessels. It was nice to see the micro battles but Mind lost the game when he lost most of his wraith fleet when he moved out with his marines.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 25 2018 02:36 GMT
#275
On April 24 2018 20:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Trust me babies. Hero is doing what he needs to do. Step by step.


On April 24 2018 20:38 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Muta + drop to the top left wins the game probably.



On April 24 2018 20:39 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
It's coming babies.


On April 24 2018 20:39 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Ok daddy knows his fuckin brood war


On April 24 2018 20:39 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Everyone give me fuckin credit lol.


On April 24 2018 20:40 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Nah its not great. I feel like people have been way un creative..typical korean.

User was warned for this post


On April 24 2018 21:23 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
PS newbs, hero won this game.


On April 24 2018 21:33 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Guys, why is starcraft 2 garbage included in brood war liquibet? How does that make sense? Tl ... have separate leagues. Oh you want to combine the communities? Oh i see. How about getting rid of sc2 ....

I mean common, this used to be a community of people who understood how games work. Now I get warning for saying rapid/noregrets commentary wasn't good. You're doing a great service to the community TL. Just like Activision...

User was temp banned for this post.


Hey bro, I can tell you are very excited about live Brood War and that's great, but I think you need to calm down and use this time to reflect on your posts. There's a reason people are calling you obnoxious and asking you to stop posting. When you have 50+ posts in a thread that is not even that large, perhaps you should be asking yourself "Is this really something that needs to be said?" before you hit that "Post" button. We're all here to watch some Brood War and have a good time, so we need to be respectful of each other and not pollute threads with whatever pops into our head.
RustyZerg
Profile Joined April 2018
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 02:55:43
April 25 2018 02:53 GMT
#276
Did anyone else notice this?
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In game 1 hero spawned a hatchery at the top edge of the main base, not only did he wanted to hide his tech but also made the nydus play possible after his third base was raided!!

In case you don't know what's going on, the creep does not extend to the third base when you build it near the edge, but it prevents the creep from despawning once the creep is there.

Mind blowing.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8700 Posts
April 25 2018 02:59 GMT
#277
On April 25 2018 11:53 RustyZerg wrote:
/snip


Yeah, that was pretty cool indeed!
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
April 25 2018 06:05 GMT
#278
Yes, this was unexpected. I was waiting for Artosis to point out this, but he made like it was a usual case.

Sparkle, the games where I saw terran going bio, the zergs were usually wrecked, by multiple dropships.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12052 Posts
April 25 2018 06:18 GMT
#279
On April 25 2018 10:21 Motivate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2018 05:54 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 25 2018 05:48 mierin wrote:
I know the map pool isn't great, but for people getting tired of Flash auto-winning every season it's nice to have a sliver of hope someone else will. Not that I think that'll happen though

Flash should lose because someone else was better.
Not because the tournament organizers literally stacked the deck against him.

I agree with this. ASL is meant to represent competitive Broodwar. I find stacking the maps like that very unprofessional by the organisers.

stacking the maps is literally how it always has been.

There's a reason why there was a period of strong TvZ maps and PvZ maps. It was to stop Savior.
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
April 25 2018 06:36 GMT
#280
Great series. Exactly the type of back and forth I was hoping for (except the game on Sparkle). The maps didn't seem ZvT favoured at all (except arguably Sparkle). I thought the map design this season was mainly intended to give protosses rather than zergs an advantage against Flash as well as an overall boost, seeing as how Bisu is gone.
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