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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
October 31 2017 11:56 GMT
#741
Bisu's play was so disappointing today actually. Flash would have been the favorite under all circumstances, but *notlikethis*
Broodwar for life!
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2745 Posts
October 31 2017 11:56 GMT
#742
On October 31 2017 20:55 StarscreamG1 wrote:
The +2-1 timing is +2 defense or attack?


+2 attack +1 armour
CognacLover
Profile Joined January 2016
Poland66 Posts
October 31 2017 11:56 GMT
#743
On October 31 2017 20:53 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
on a good note we get Bisu vs Larva in a 3rd place match, which is going to be fun.


I will kill to get reverse of this.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8477 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 11:57:47
October 31 2017 11:56 GMT
#744
On October 31 2017 20:55 StarscreamG1 wrote:
The +2-1 timing is +2 defense or attack?


attack

On October 31 2017 20:56 CognacLover wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:53 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
on a good note we get Bisu vs Larva in a 3rd place match, which is going to be fun.


I will kill to get reverse of this.


Probably going to be much better than Hero vs Flash.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 31 2017 11:57 GMT
#745
When is the 3rd place match exactly?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 31 2017 11:57 GMT
#746
On October 31 2017 20:54 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
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On October 31 2017 20:52 niteReloaded wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:51 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:47 141 wrote:
what a joke this game is...lets turtle tanks and vulture and push. im done with this game!



what a joke?

bisu just made mistakes in every game he lost-- wasting 2 shots on buildings and then abandoning them and targeting units..

after doing little damage and losing important tools he still tried and all out attack..

bisu did a few critical mistakes.. a few is far too many in this beautiful game and especially vs a player of flashs caliber...


u are a joke 8(

The reaver shots were not a mistake. SCVs escaped and he had a chance to take down 2 armories+2 supplies with 5 reaver shots. If he took those down, the game may have turned out different.


I am saying he should have committed to a) shooting at the 2 armories + 2 supplies until the bitter end and kill the buildings or not try it in the first place

he shoot them twice and then stopped

that was a mistake

On October 31 2017 20:54 PVJ wrote:
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On October 31 2017 20:52 niteReloaded wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:51 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:47 141 wrote:
what a joke this game is...lets turtle tanks and vulture and push. im done with this game!



what a joke?

bisu just made mistakes in every game he lost-- wasting 2 shots on buildings and then abandoning them and targeting units..

after doing little damage and losing important tools he still tried and all out attack..

bisu did a few critical mistakes.. a few is far too many in this beautiful game and especially vs a player of flashs caliber...


u are a joke 8(

The reaver shots were not a mistake. SCVs escaped and he had a chance to take down 2 armories+2 supplies with 5 reaver shots. If he took those down, the game may have turned out different.

The mistake was not targeting the academies but that then he switched to target tanks and 1 scv.

ah ok agreed
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
456 Posts
October 31 2017 11:59 GMT
#747
All the games were played in one hour (ads included)?
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
October 31 2017 12:00 GMT
#748
apparently we're going to get ASL5 before the end of the year. they will rush it because people are going to military
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 12:03:54
October 31 2017 12:00 GMT
#749
On October 31 2017 20:56 Cele wrote:
Bisu's play was so disappointing today actually. Flash would have been the favorite under all circumstances, but *notlikethis*


Honestly it just looked like a typical PvT ladder session to me, this is how most PvT games turn out.. even at pro levels. Bisu's only win was because he went for an unconventional build which FlaSh tried to punish with a timing attack that he probably never practiced before.
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
October 31 2017 12:00 GMT
#750
On October 31 2017 20:57 r.Evo wrote:
When is the 3rd place match exactly?

next tuesday same time i believe. that's what i have on my casting schedule at least from afreeca.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8477 Posts
October 31 2017 12:01 GMT
#751
On October 31 2017 20:59 noname_ wrote:
All the games were played in one hour (ads included)?


No, in about 2 hours.

On October 31 2017 21:00 quirinus wrote:
apparently we're going to get ASL5 before the end of the year. they will rush it because people are going to military


Which would be awesome!
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
October 31 2017 12:01 GMT
#752
I wish flash would play protoss to show them how it's done. I'm pretty sure he would USE high templars instead of morphing them into archons (wtf?)
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 31 2017 12:02 GMT
#753
On October 31 2017 21:00 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:56 Cele wrote:
Bisu's play was so disappointing today actually. Flash would have been the favorite under all circumstances, but *notlikethis*


Honestly it just looked like a typical PvT ladder session to me, this is how most PvT games turn out.. even at pro levels. Bisu's only win was because he went for an unconventional build which FlaSh tried to punish with a timing attack that he probably never practiced before.



Yeah bisu made mistakes sure, but everyone makes mistakes in every game of starcraft, even flash makes mistakes in these games.

Flash is just truly on another level, you can't watch any series he's played lately and say that the opponent didn't look as bad or worse than bisu did in this series.
Hi.
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
October 31 2017 12:02 GMT
#754
On October 31 2017 21:01 Essbee wrote:
I wish flash would play protoss to show them how it's done. I'm pretty sure he would USE high templars instead of morphing them into archons (wtf?)

Archons are hovering units and don't trigger mines.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
October 31 2017 12:03 GMT
#755
On October 31 2017 21:00 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 20:56 Cele wrote:
Bisu's play was so disappointing today actually. Flash would have been the favorite under all circumstances, but *notlikethis*


Honestly it just looked like a typical PvT ladder session to me, this is how most PvT games turn out.. even at pro levels. Bisu's only win was because he went for an unconventional build which FlaSh tried to punish with a timing attack that he probably never practiced before.


well, there were some sloppy plays and some unforced errors. Bisu's overaggressive play shows he wasn't comfortable playing the long game too. We saw why on FS.
Broodwar for life!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10097 Posts
October 31 2017 12:03 GMT
#756
On October 31 2017 21:01 Essbee wrote:
I wish flash would play protoss to show them how it's done. I'm pretty sure he would USE high templars instead of morphing them into archons (wtf?)

yeah... protoss these days just dont use storms for whatever reason... storms are one of the only ways to break 200/200 terran mech when they siege up without like 10 stasis. We need jangbi back to show toss how it's done and honestly I want Jangbi to play FlaSh and dismantle him with storms.

The same way that I feel like Zergs in ZvP need to do more muta timing switches to snipe HTs. I hardly see zergs do that these days as well.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
October 31 2017 12:03 GMT
#757
On October 31 2017 21:02 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 21:01 Essbee wrote:
I wish flash would play protoss to show them how it's done. I'm pretty sure he would USE high templars instead of morphing them into archons (wtf?)

Archons are hovering units and don't trigger mines.


Yeah I understand that but why does it even matter in the context of a big fight? Zealots are gonna trigger them anyway, and storm is pretty good as I've heard...
Yakota
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia112 Posts
October 31 2017 12:03 GMT
#758
I like how everyone is saying how bad Bisu played and no one credits how solid Flash's standard game.

Same as last season. Shine looks incredible throughout the season with ridiculous builds then gets completely shut down in the finals and looks like a scrub.

Flash makes good players look shit..period.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 12:04:55
October 31 2017 12:03 GMT
#759
On October 31 2017 21:01 Essbee wrote:
I wish flash would play protoss to show them how it's done. I'm pretty sure he would USE high templars instead of morphing them into archons (wtf?)

4 games, not a single high templar (for storm). What was worse was that Bisu's game 2 on FS was extremely solid, close to perfect as he grabbed a 6th. He was maxed when Flash was close to 140 supply yet he waited till Flash almost maxed, suicided his army and lost to Flash's push. Like, imagine 3-4 hts in there or several recalls on top of the army. Why doesn't Bisu do any of this stuff???
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-31 12:10:02
October 31 2017 12:04 GMT
#760
On October 31 2017 21:03 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 21:00 TT1 wrote:
On October 31 2017 20:56 Cele wrote:
Bisu's play was so disappointing today actually. Flash would have been the favorite under all circumstances, but *notlikethis*


Honestly it just looked like a typical PvT ladder session to me, this is how most PvT games turn out.. even at pro levels. Bisu's only win was because he went for an unconventional build which FlaSh tried to punish with a timing attack that he probably never practiced before.


well, there were some sloppy plays and some unforced errors. Bisu's overaggressive play shows he wasn't comfortable playing the long game too. We saw why on FS.


Playing vs Terran just forces other races to make mistakes because you're the one that has to do something. T can just macro up their army and move across the map (with an army worth 2x your maxed out army) without needing to worry about miss-microing or anything, there's nothing to miss micro because they have the ultimate maxed out army..
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