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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
November 01 2017 21:17 GMT
#1041
So many bisu apologists in this thread
Что?
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
November 01 2017 21:26 GMT
#1042
RIP... I come back to this where is my bucket for tears
Bisu 5ever
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
November 01 2017 21:31 GMT
#1043
By the way been a long time since Ive seen a 53 pages thread in sc:bw
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic621 Posts
November 01 2017 22:48 GMT
#1044
where can i watch this in korean caster? vods?
How may help u?
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
November 02 2017 00:33 GMT
#1045
On November 02 2017 07:48 BonitiilloO wrote:
where can i watch this in korean caster? vods?


http://esports.sports.afreecatv.com/?control=highlight (may be super laggy since it's the afreeca.tv player...)
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 01:26:29
November 02 2017 01:26 GMT
#1046
On November 02 2017 07:48 BonitiilloO wrote:
where can i watch this in korean caster? vods?

On November 02 2017 09:33 Burned Toast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:48 BonitiilloO wrote:
where can i watch this in korean caster? vods?


http://esports.sports.afreecatv.com/?control=highlight (may be super laggy since it's the afreeca.tv player...)










Korean casting = best casting
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 02:14:35
November 02 2017 02:13 GMT
#1047
By the way, Flash said that he went 0-5 against Rain during practice leading up to this semi-finals match-up.

I swear to god if Rain fully commits to Brood War, he has the potential to be truly great, but he always keeps saying he has no interest in doing that. Rain seems to think that there's no future for streamers apart from the household names like Jaedong, or Bisu, since it is these kind of legends that people really want to see performing well. Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.
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geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
November 02 2017 02:32 GMT
#1048
On November 02 2017 11:13 Letmelose wrote:
By the way, Flash said that he went 0-5 against Rain during practice leading up to this semi-finals match-up.

I swear to god if Rain fully commits to Brood War, he has the potential to be truly great, but he always keeps saying he has no interest in doing that. Rain seems to think that there's no future for streamers apart from the household names like Jaedong, or Bisu, since it is these kind of legends that people really want to see performing well. Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.


Very strong at one match up and has the upper hand versus Flash is not the sign of greatness. Quite inverse he should beat everyone else except Flash to become great.
chawinski
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia98 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 02:47:16
November 02 2017 02:44 GMT
#1049
On November 02 2017 11:32 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 11:13 Letmelose wrote:
By the way, Flash said that he went 0-5 against Rain during practice leading up to this semi-finals match-up.

I swear to god if Rain fully commits to Brood War, he has the potential to be truly great, but he always keeps saying he has no interest in doing that. Rain seems to think that there's no future for streamers apart from the household names like Jaedong, or Bisu, since it is these kind of legends that people really want to see performing well. Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.


Very strong at one match up and has the upper hand versus Flash is not the sign of greatness. Quite inverse he should beat everyone else except Flash to become great.


WTF is this post? Rain is a beast... And letmelose didn't say Rain is truly great, but that he had the potential to be great.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
November 02 2017 04:07 GMT
#1050
On November 02 2017 11:44 chawinski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 11:32 geod wrote:
On November 02 2017 11:13 Letmelose wrote:
By the way, Flash said that he went 0-5 against Rain during practice leading up to this semi-finals match-up.

I swear to god if Rain fully commits to Brood War, he has the potential to be truly great, but he always keeps saying he has no interest in doing that. Rain seems to think that there's no future for streamers apart from the household names like Jaedong, or Bisu, since it is these kind of legends that people really want to see performing well. Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.


Very strong at one match up and has the upper hand versus Flash is not the sign of greatness. Quite inverse he should beat everyone else except Flash to become great.


WTF is this post? Rain is a beast... And letmelose didn't say Rain is truly great, but that he had the potential to be great.


Rain is a beast in PvT, you mean?
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 02 2017 05:21 GMT
#1051
On November 02 2017 11:13 Letmelose wrote:
Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.


May 2017 - Oct 2017
Rain P vs Flash T 27W 25L 51.9%

Sure it's a positive record... by 1.9%. Not sure if ~50% winrate is convincing enough to show "supreme talent", with Flash supposedly "goofing around" on stream just as much as everybody else.

But yeah maybe if these were the proleague days Rain could at best be a designated SKT sniper for Flash along with Fantasy, Best, and Bisu.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 06:06:03
November 02 2017 06:01 GMT
#1052
On November 02 2017 14:21 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 11:13 Letmelose wrote:
Still, it's a shame to see his supreme talent go to waste since he is literally the only player to have a positive record versus Flash in sponsored matches over the last six months, despite the fact that he is literally goofing around half the time.


May 2017 - Oct 2017
Rain P vs Flash T 27W 25L 51.9%

Sure it's a positive record... by 1.9%. Not sure if ~50% winrate is convincing enough to show "supreme talent", with Flash supposedly "goofing around" on stream just as much as everybody else.

But yeah maybe if these were the proleague days Rain could at best be a designated SKT sniper for Flash along with Fantasy, Best, and Bisu.


It's the only positive record. Further more, Flash is in posession of one of the most competitive spirits I've come across, and Rain's lackadaisical approach to streaming and competing in general has no where near the same level of intensity, or dedication. Many people have already vouched for Rain's notable talent, and perhaps the head-to-head record isn't the best way to prove that, but it is a noteworthy trivia nonetheless.

Bisu's record versus Flash in sponsored games during the same time frame:

9W 18L (33.3%)

BeSt's record versus Flash in sponsored matches during the same time frame:

23W 29L (44.2%)

In fact, there is nobody else who had a win rate above 45% against Flash during the past six months in sponsored matches. There's less than five players who have win rates that go above 40% versus Flash if you count all sponsored matches since May this year.

Rain probably would have replaced BeSt as the designated sniper for Flash, and if his form during practice is anything to go by, he might have even surpassed everybody else as the number one ace of SK Telecom T1 in general had professional Brood War not been killed off. Multiple players from SK Telecom T1 have been on the record, saying that Rain was the best SK Telecom T1 player during practice towards the end of professional Brood War.

I personally think Rain has what it takes to achieve more as a Brood War player, even if his drive will never allow him to reach his potential cap.
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Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia918 Posts
November 02 2017 10:06 GMT
#1053
It is more about the games, than the record.
When you watch their games, you see Rain hold timings that are pretty much designed to break his opening. That's something that very few P's can do.
Then you see Rain trading evenly with Flash in the late stage, sometimes even when being on the same economy. That's something almost no one is doing.

His PvZ is uninspiring, unfortunately.
NickHotS
Profile Joined May 2014
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 10:16:30
November 02 2017 10:15 GMT
#1054
You guys are sleeping on Rain's PvZ. It is a lot better than many claim, and it's to his credit for bringing back the modern Sair/DT that Bisu used against Killer. Just because he lost to Larva isn't indicative of much, considering it went all the way to 5 games, and Larva is very strong in both ZvT and ZvP.

Rain is the Protoss trendsetter and most well rounded Protoss in the world atm.
pinkbowtie1
Profile Joined September 2017
23 Posts
November 02 2017 12:00 GMT
#1055
On November 02 2017 19:15 NickHotS wrote:
You guys are sleeping on Rain's PvZ. It is a lot better than many claim, and it's to his credit for bringing back the modern Sair/DT that Bisu used against Killer. Just because he lost to Larva isn't indicative of much, considering it went all the way to 5 games, and Larva is very strong in both ZvT and ZvP.

Rain is the Protoss trendsetter and most well rounded Protoss in the world atm.


Rain vs Larva was only 4 games.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 02 2017 16:16 GMT
#1056
Rain is overhyped and always has been.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
November 02 2017 17:08 GMT
#1057
I think Flash lets him win practice games because they are friends.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 03 2017 00:17 GMT
#1058
jinjin5000 translated Flash's analysis of this series in different thread if anyone's interested:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/522793-translated-pro-videos-coordination-thread?page=16#318
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