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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 24 2017 10:42 GMT
#101
For the Korean speakers: What's the PSA looking thing with Flash/JD/Stork and that girl about?
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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Scepty
Profile Joined August 2011
22 Posts
September 24 2017 10:42 GMT
#102
Can someone explain to me that Mong's thing with eyebrows and food?
I reject your reality and substitute my own
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51485 Posts
September 24 2017 10:43 GMT
#103
On September 24 2017 19:42 Alur wrote:
For the Korean speakers: What's the PSA looking thing with Flash/JD/Stork and that girl about?


anti-bullying online
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 10:45:01
September 24 2017 10:44 GMT
#104
so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to?

???

??????
TranslatorBaa!
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
September 24 2017 10:45 GMT
#105
On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to?

???

??????


Will remain a mystery for a long time.
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
September 24 2017 10:45 GMT
#106
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28692 Posts
September 24 2017 10:46 GMT
#107
best guess I have is that he actually wanted to sync it with the ground army attack, but that he fucked up the execution of it. Either that, or it was just a plain old mistake.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 10:48:36
September 24 2017 10:47 GMT
#108
On September 24 2017 19:46 Liquid`Drone wrote:
best guess I have is that he actually wanted to sync it with the ground army attack, but that he fucked up the execution of it. Either that, or it was just a plain old mistake.


There wasn't any ground army attack though? Unless you count moving lurkers up north and suiciding to mines lol

Also even if he synced it with an attack, his lings earlier saw Flash's rally point at the third so presumably there would be a bunch of marines to respond in any case. 5 rax produces marines pretty fast.

like i dont think killer wouldve won even if he put guardians at the back expo but it wouldve been a closer game for sure. life of a substitute~
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
September 24 2017 10:48 GMT
#109
On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to?

???

??????


I think he made an error in judgement on the go, like the cliffs above the 3rd looks appealing and in a fast paced game you could probably look at that and think "Yeah this is obivously the best place to Morph them" especially if you can back the choke points up with lurkers, Marines are not going to touch that and T has to ferry all his nits down a choke, can't really cut off Z reinforcements either which is lethal when Z has hive and defiler.

But reality of it was he lost a shitton of lurkers to make what he was thinking work, and that should've prompted him to morph them at the 11 o clock expaansion.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
September 24 2017 10:51 GMT
#110
The back expansion is probably pretty close to mined out at that point anyway, so going for the natural would be much more painful for flash if it worked. I think that's the idea. Killer just misjudged what the guardians in that position can archive.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 24 2017 10:52 GMT
#111
On September 24 2017 19:48 merz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to?

???

??????


I think he made an error in judgement on the go, like the cliffs above the 3rd looks appealing and in a fast paced game you could probably look at that and think "Yeah this is obivously the best place to Morph them" especially if you can back the choke points up with lurkers, Marines are not going to touch that and T has to ferry all his nits down a choke, can't really cut off Z reinforcements either which is lethal when Z has hive and defiler.

But reality of it was he lost a shitton of lurkers to make what he was thinking work, and that should've prompted him to morph them at the 11 o clock expaansion.


i was under the impression that the guardian build was a pre-planned one and not a spur-of-the-moment decision based on how he played the muta game. the map is favorable to it and presumably during practice/map review it wouldve been fairly obvious that it's easier to assault the back expo than the third...?

also it's pretty ambitious to think you can move lurkers all the way into 7/8 o'clock considering how contained he was for so long.
TranslatorBaa!
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 10:58:04
September 24 2017 10:57 GMT
#112
On September 24 2017 19:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 19:48 merz wrote:
On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to?

???

??????


I think he made an error in judgement on the go, like the cliffs above the 3rd looks appealing and in a fast paced game you could probably look at that and think "Yeah this is obivously the best place to Morph them" especially if you can back the choke points up with lurkers, Marines are not going to touch that and T has to ferry all his nits down a choke, can't really cut off Z reinforcements either which is lethal when Z has hive and defiler.

But reality of it was he lost a shitton of lurkers to make what he was thinking work, and that should've prompted him to morph them at the 11 o clock expaansion.


i was under the impression that the guardian build was a pre-planned one and not a spur-of-the-moment decision based on how he played the muta game. the map is favorable to it and presumably during practice/map review it wouldve been fairly obvious that it's easier to assault the back expo than the third...?

also it's pretty ambitious to think you can move lurkers all the way into 7/8 o'clock considering how contained he was for so long.


Oh yeah it was definitely planned I think in practice he morhps them at the 3rd and backs it up with lurk/ling I'd assume. But in this particular game he should've morhped them at 11 o clock. Well you are on 3 gas for free so you can definitely brute force yourself out of a contain once hive-tech pops. I dunno I'm just making guesses here, could've been a flat out mistake as well.

EDIT: The error in judgement on the go would be to stick to his original plan and morph them at the 3rd. Just to be clear in what I'm saying
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28692 Posts
September 24 2017 10:59 GMT
#113
yeah that's probably it. He had practiced attacking with a lurker ling army at the same time, and then it's impossible for terran to handle the guardians because rines can't just run into some burrowed lurkers. This game he didn't have the chance to bring a lurker ling force over, and was playing too much on autopilot and didn't adjust the guardian placement.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 24 2017 11:00 GMT
#114
i should have never doubted mong. dude is a beast
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 24 2017 11:02 GMT
#115
sharp with the clutch counter attacks
FTD
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
September 24 2017 11:02 GMT
#116
I don't like Mongs drop. Now he's stuck with like 12 tanks and Sharp can just defend on a choke.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
September 24 2017 11:03 GMT
#117
Trading a low mineral back expansion for a fresh expo is not good
: o )
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
September 24 2017 11:04 GMT
#118
Hmm Mong literally dropped himself to death in the matter of like 5 minutes. Ouch.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
September 24 2017 11:04 GMT
#119
On September 24 2017 20:00 Golgotha wrote:
i should have never doubted mong. dude is a beast


doubting him again?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
September 24 2017 11:05 GMT
#120
Poll: Recommend Sharp vs Mong?

Yes (22)
 
88%

If you have time (2)
 
8%

No (1)
 
4%

25 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Sharp vs Mong?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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