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BLinD-RawR
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usopsama
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Poll: Are you ready to see God smite the pitiful humans? I am ready. (31) I am not ready. (8) 39 total votes Your vote: Are you ready to see God smite the pitiful humans? | ||
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RJGooner
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Dazed.
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 + Show Spoiler + If im right ill look like a fucking genius, if im wrong, no one will remember. | ||
c3rberUs
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On September 24 2017 12:12 Dazed. wrote: Prediction: Mong and killer advance. + Show Spoiler + If im right ill look like a fucking genius, if im wrong, no one will remember. Edit - i kinda read it the other way around. Anybody who says FlaSh won't advance is nuts | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 15:25 DepressionSC wrote: No ammount of Pocari chugged will bring Mong (or Killer and Sharp for that matter) up to Flash's level. I predict Flash advances with both seeds knocking all three opponents out of the tournament. As a consequence he may end up having to play himself in the semis. Or you know, he gets PDPOP'd lol. | ||
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chrisolo
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sry for capslock. | ||
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Golgotha
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VioleTAK
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FlaShFTW
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sorry what? i dont recall this ever happening to flash what are you on? | ||
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ortseam
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KobraKay
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Still, I'm ready to see Flash smite Killer. Let's go! | ||
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FlaShFTW
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rotta
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Why isn't this tourney on the LP frontpage? | ||
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rotta
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polgas
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Mrwl
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 18:57 FlaShFTW wrote: sorry what? i dont recall this ever happening to flash what are you on? you poor poor child. | ||
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c3rberUs
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On September 24 2017 18:57 FlaShFTW wrote: sorry what? i dont recall this ever happening to flash what are you on? I'd like to have what BR's on. Anyway go Killer! | ||
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FlaShFTW
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sorry i try to block that horrid memory out of my mind. | ||
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nurle
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usopsama
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Link to the Korean stream. I can watch it on "High" without lagging. | ||
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Valikyr
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Wonk
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/JtuXE5Z.jpg) Mong fanart I did on my lunchbreak! i beleev in u mong, you breakin' outta this group | ||
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Ej_
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VioleTAK
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usopsama
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Heart: Baxter, Mong : ) | ||
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usopsama
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rotta
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On September 24 2017 19:16 BLinD-RawR wrote: electric romeo, of course. Changing it now would cause heart attacks. | ||
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Golgotha
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c3rberUs
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GTR
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On September 24 2017 19:17 rotta wrote: Changing it now would cause heart attacks. i think the only other player to have a theme song so ingrained with them is forgg and the pretender | ||
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usopsama
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Ej_
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 19:22 Ej_ wrote: tesagiiiiiiii :/ this has to stop | ||
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usopsama
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Ubersturmfuhrer
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Ziggy
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On September 24 2017 19:26 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote: If Killer won this, I would be sooo happy.. i bet he'd be well chuffed as well | ||
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c3rberUs
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On September 24 2017 19:13 Wonk wrote: Mong fanart I did on my lunchbreak! i beleev in u mong, you breakin' outta this group wow | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
flash still going to win without much of a sweat | ||
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nurle
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Keniji
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coolprogrammingstuff
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was a good start though. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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On September 24 2017 19:33 nurle wrote: worst guardian control of all time right there? haven't seen me play | ||
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merz
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StimD
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KobraKay
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Now, TvT saga for the next 4 hours xD | ||
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FlaShFTW
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SkelA
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Ubersturmfuhrer
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On September 24 2017 19:35 VioleTAK wrote: OK getting ready for 2 hours of TvT I need some pocari sweat for this. | ||
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c3rberUs
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ShloobeR
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although not awful for guardians either | ||
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jtan
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Golgotha
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Quincel
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reminisce12
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FlaShFTW
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On September 24 2017 19:36 merz wrote: Flash really played the map there, coupled with beatiful execution and little to no mistakes. This map seems so hard for both Z and P against T if T really abuses the design of it. Yup, agree 100%. tanks on this map are absolutely brutal and the terran defensive capabilities are too strong for close bases after the initial 3. at least gold rush isnt that great of a map for terran. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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 fun game! | ||
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Vuk_91
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On September 24 2017 19:36 merz wrote: Flash really played the map there, coupled with beatiful execution and little to no mistakes. This map seems so hard for both Z and P against T if T really abuses the design of it. Zergs need to go for fast lurkers -> fast hive. You have 3 fast gases, you can get an extremely fast tech without any issues, and then play from that position. Harassing with mutas is cool, but at the end, it doesn't actually do that much. | ||
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Quincel
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On September 24 2017 19:37 SkelA wrote: Guardians were mistake on the natural, should morphed them in the back expo . Yeah not sure why he did that.back expo seems the obvious choice. And what were those devourers? | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10160 Posts
On September 24 2017 19:38 Quincel wrote: Yeah not sure why he did that.back expo seems the obvious choice. And what were those devourers? listen bud new meta. | ||
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Golgotha
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merz
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On September 24 2017 19:38 Vuk_91 wrote: Zergs need to go for fast lurkers -> fast hive. You have 3 fast gases, you can get an extremely fast tech without any issues, and then play from that position. Harassing with mutas is cool, but at the end, it doesn't actually do that much. Ya but Flash went 1 port 1 fac mines instantly. His gameplan was allowing Z to get 3 gas but then just attempt a 4th deny to all costs with m&m/mine/vessle while taking 3rd and 4th himself. If T can do that and transition into mech wíthout too much trouble, it is going to be such an uphill battle for Z from there on. Like normally you'd see Flash go 2 port instantly in that scenario and get 2-4 vessles then transition into mech. The 1 fac/1port faster mines was a subtle but pretty smart adaptation to the map I think. | ||
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GTR
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On September 24 2017 19:42 Alur wrote: For the Korean speakers: What's the PSA looking thing with Flash/JD/Stork and that girl about? anti-bullying online | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
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Essbee
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On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to? ??? ?????? Will remain a mystery for a long time. | ||
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Wonk
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tpATG5Z.jpg) | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On September 24 2017 19:46 Liquid`Drone wrote: best guess I have is that he actually wanted to sync it with the ground army attack, but that he fucked up the execution of it. Either that, or it was just a plain old mistake. There wasn't any ground army attack though? Unless you count moving lurkers up north and suiciding to mines lol Also even if he synced it with an attack, his lings earlier saw Flash's rally point at the third so presumably there would be a bunch of marines to respond in any case. 5 rax produces marines pretty fast. like i dont think killer wouldve won even if he put guardians at the back expo but it wouldve been a closer game for sure. life of a substitute~ | ||
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merz
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On September 24 2017 19:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: so why didnt killer morph guardians at the nat up north, where theres no ground for marines to go to? ??? ?????? I think he made an error in judgement on the go, like the cliffs above the 3rd looks appealing and in a fast paced game you could probably look at that and think "Yeah this is obivously the best place to Morph them" especially if you can back the choke points up with lurkers, Marines are not going to touch that and T has to ferry all his nits down a choke, can't really cut off Z reinforcements either which is lethal when Z has hive and defiler. But reality of it was he lost a shitton of lurkers to make what he was thinking work, and that should've prompted him to morph them at the 11 o clock expaansion. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On September 24 2017 19:48 merz wrote: I think he made an error in judgement on the go, like the cliffs above the 3rd looks appealing and in a fast paced game you could probably look at that and think "Yeah this is obivously the best place to Morph them" especially if you can back the choke points up with lurkers, Marines are not going to touch that and T has to ferry all his nits down a choke, can't really cut off Z reinforcements either which is lethal when Z has hive and defiler. But reality of it was he lost a shitton of lurkers to make what he was thinking work, and that should've prompted him to morph them at the 11 o clock expaansion. i was under the impression that the guardian build was a pre-planned one and not a spur-of-the-moment decision based on how he played the muta game. the map is favorable to it and presumably during practice/map review it wouldve been fairly obvious that it's easier to assault the back expo than the third...? also it's pretty ambitious to think you can move lurkers all the way into 7/8 o'clock considering how contained he was for so long. | ||
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merz
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On September 24 2017 19:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i was under the impression that the guardian build was a pre-planned one and not a spur-of-the-moment decision based on how he played the muta game. the map is favorable to it and presumably during practice/map review it wouldve been fairly obvious that it's easier to assault the back expo than the third...? also it's pretty ambitious to think you can move lurkers all the way into 7/8 o'clock considering how contained he was for so long. Oh yeah it was definitely planned I think in practice he morhps them at the 3rd and backs it up with lurk/ling I'd assume. But in this particular game he should've morhped them at 11 o clock. Well you are on 3 gas for free so you can definitely brute force yourself out of a contain once hive-tech pops. I dunno I'm just making guesses here, could've been a flat out mistake as well. EDIT: The error in judgement on the go would be to stick to his original plan and morph them at the 3rd. Just to be clear in what I'm saying | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 20:00 Golgotha wrote: i should have never doubted mong. dude is a beast doubting him again? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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On September 24 2017 20:04 merz wrote: Hmm Mong literally dropped himself to death in the matter of like 5 minutes. Ouch. yeah a doom drop would only be worth it if he got into the main base. that back natural isn't worth it. | ||
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Keniji
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On September 24 2017 20:05 D_lux wrote: did Mong jus throw the game because he doesnt wants to play against Flash? lol, no. that would make zero sense the way the groups work in ASL. | ||
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EsportsJohn
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On September 24 2017 20:07 Golgotha wrote: did mong have a better chance against flash or does sharp? Sharp for sure. Sharp's TvT is top notch, by far his best matchup. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On September 24 2017 20:08 EsportsJohn wrote: Sharp for sure. Sharp's TvT is top notch, by far his best matchup. agree with this. remember that Sharp literally got to the ASL1 finals from TvT alone. im excited for flash vs sharp. | ||
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On September 24 2017 20:22 thoradycus wrote: NO ARTOSIS THE RANKS THE STAY THE SAME!!! Units only go up in ranks in sc2 well, thats a game changer | ||
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c3rberUs
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Also 50 supply difference | ||
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VioleTAK
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AMAZING Flash! | ||
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On September 24 2017 20:29 Netto. wrote: Flash is just level or two above players in his group. They are playing even game but flash has 2 more bases on 50 supply more. Did he not get far ahead when his cloaked wraiths killed like 15 scvs? | ||
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On September 24 2017 20:31 [Fin]Vittu wrote: did flash just do up his pants/zip his fly up? Maybe he was multi-tasking in-game and out-of-game? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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On September 24 2017 20:31 FlaShFTW wrote: why is this guy so good holy shit cuz of your support. he wants to make you happy. | ||
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jtan
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FlaShFTW
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On September 24 2017 20:32 Liquid`Drone wrote: cuz of your support. he wants to make you happy. aww <3 i feel so loved | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 20:32 reincremate wrote: Flash with the unzipped fly lol he plays with 3 hands | ||
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c3rberUs
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You should change your pants now while there's no game on | ||
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outscar
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On September 24 2017 20:33 Valikyr wrote: Ok Flash will win his 3rd ASL in row Yeah, it's so easy for him to not only win 3rd one but even 10th because of him getting seeded so deep. I think final four should start from ro24 to see more upsets. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 20:35 Golgotha wrote: lol who can beat flash in a fucking bo5?! I'm really worried lol | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On September 24 2017 20:35 c3rberUs wrote: You should change your pants now while there's no game on yeah one sec brb i need to clean my monitor | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 20:36 outscar wrote: Yeah, it's so easy for him to not only win 3rd one but even 10th because of him getting seeded so deep. I think final four should start from ro24 to see more upsets. top 8 seeded in a Ro32 makes more sense, more people from qualifiers too | ||
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batsnacks
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On September 24 2017 20:35 Golgotha wrote: lol who can beat flash in a fucking bo5?! Conor mcgregor can beat flash in a bo5 | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10160 Posts
IM NOT! :D :D :D :D on a serious note, Rain, Effort, and Larva are the top 3 picks to upset flash in a Bo5. Both Zergs have been giving flash a fit especially on Gold Rush. Crossing Field is still Terran territory, and FS is FS. so we'll have to see. Rain's carrier play has been on point lately and hes been owning flash with surprise carriers a lot on stream. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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What exactly is being said? | ||
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RKC
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On September 24 2017 20:37 FlaShFTW wrote: yeah one sec brb i need to clean my monitor What's your prediction for the group? Did you do a coin-flip? Well, even if you did, Flash would probably still 2-0 through. Even Chaos has to bow down to God... | ||
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aya888888
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On September 24 2017 20:31 Ziggy wrote: btw, an offtopic question - is restreaming prohibited this season? i remember terror / sea / britney having 10-30k viewers at times in previous seasons, now there's just the official afreeca stream Terror have ~40k viewer to day (he is with Sea) and Britney ~20k. Main ASL channel only have ~30k. ASL English have ~2k viewer =.= | ||
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batsnacks
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On September 24 2017 20:37 batsnacks wrote: Conor mcgregor can beat flash in a bo5 ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ME7suSL.png) | ||
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207aicila
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On September 24 2017 20:31 Ziggy wrote: btw, an offtopic question - is restreaming prohibited this season? i remember terror / sea / britney having 10-30k viewers at times in previous seasons, now there's just the official afreeca stream I'm also curious about this. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10160 Posts
On September 24 2017 20:39 RKC wrote: What's your prediction for the group? Did you do a coin-flip? Well, even if you did, Flash would probably still 2-0 through. Even Chaos has to bow down to God... my analysis in the preview article was... FlaSh > Killer Sharp > Mong FlaSh > Sharp Mong > Killer Sharp > Mong so far so good fingers crossed. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2017 20:38 jtan wrote: Do we know how the matchups for the RO8 will be determined? I could be wrong and it could be a random draw but A1 vs C2 A2 vs C1 B1 vs D2 B2 vs D1 | ||
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jtan
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On September 24 2017 20:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: I could be wrong and it could be a random draw but A1 vs C2 A2 vs C1 B1 vs D2 B2 vs D1 Thanks! | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On September 24 2017 20:39 aya888888 wrote: Terror have ~40k viewer to day (he is with Sea) and Britney ~20k. Main ASL channel only have ~30k. ASL English have ~2k viewer =.= Ah, ever since that site merger they did I can't find half the streams that used to be featured in the past. Nevermind ;d | ||
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thezanursic
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On September 24 2017 20:41 BLinD-RawR wrote: I could be wrong and it could be a random draw but A1 vs C2 A2 vs C1 B1 vs D2 B2 vs D1 No, they randomly draw people who advanced first versus people who advanced second. | ||
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RKC
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On September 24 2017 20:41 FlaShFTW wrote: my analysis in the preview article was... FlaSh > Killer Sharp > Mong FlaSh > Sharp Mong > Killer Sharp > Mong so far so good fingers crossed. Why Sharp over Mong? Sharp's TvT is sharper? Damn, keep this up, and KeSPA police will be knocking your door and asking questions | ||
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207aicila
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On September 24 2017 20:39 aya888888 wrote: Terror have ~40k viewer to day (he is with Sea) and Britney ~20k. Main ASL channel only have ~30k. ASL English have ~2k viewer =.= Thanks. I wonder why Britney's stream isn't in the TL sidebar... | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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On September 24 2017 20:41 FlaShFTW wrote: my analysis in the preview article was... FlaSh > Killer Sharp > Mong FlaSh > Sharp Mong > Killer Sharp > Mong so far so good fingers crossed. I agree, but I think Killer > Mong, who knows about the final match. | ||
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aya888888
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On September 24 2017 20:45 outscar wrote: I would kill to see FlaSh vs. Larva matchup but I doubt he's getting out from that group. Flash owned Larva 11-2 in stream 09/21. Larva broke his keyboard because of losing lol | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Loser's Game? Yes (16) If you have time (3) No (2) 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend Loser's Game? killer fucking won without defilers | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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On September 24 2017 20:56 BLinD-RawR wrote: killer fucking won without defilers ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LimI6tV.jpg) User was warned for this post | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
 but then you have ppl like flash who still outmacro you even when you have a free bonus expo | ||
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VioleTAK
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Now I'm actually hoping for Killer to advance. He's showing good play! And Flash is enough Terran for the whole tournament. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On September 24 2017 20:58 ajmer wrote: On a side note, I feel like Mong's building placement is very untidy every time. had the same thought. nto sure how much it actually matters but it doesnt look pretty  | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
On September 24 2017 20:57 TT1 wrote: asl pretty much gave z's a free 3rd gas on every map so they could keep up with terran but then you have ppl like flash who still outmacro you even when you have a free bonus expo exactly the type of balancing they should do. Flash is still supposed to win, there's no imbalance explaining him. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10160 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:05 Liquid`Drone wrote: exactly the type of balancing they should do. Flash is still supposed to win, there's no imbalance explaining him. since flash is even more sagi than terran, does that make his dick the biggest? | ||
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reincremate
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
hmm not sure about this This kinda looks like Shine's lurker/guardian deathpush | ||
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batsnacks
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merz
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EDIT: ok nvm Sharp actually manages to find a window to do damage with dropships. | ||
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RouaF
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FlaShFTW
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
Goes to show how much better flash is vs all the other terrans. | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2606 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp is there some hidden genius that i'm missing it...preempts wraiths? | ||
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Golgotha
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FlaShFTW
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207aicila
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On September 24 2017 21:22 Golgotha wrote: why did he change his name to baxter? killer is so much better!! Haha I know right. :D Joke's on him, some of us will never stop calling him Killer. Glad he advanced though, those were some good games. | ||
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KobraKay
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: is this devourer thing normal now it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp is there some hidden genius that i'm missing first time I'm seeing it | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Buddy, every one of us owes you a drink now. And I don't even want to think about the brackets. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: is this devourer thing normal now it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp is there some hidden genius that i'm missing Yeah, it seems scourge make devourers kind of redundant. Still entertaining to see rare units come out though. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: is this devourer thing normal now it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp is there some hidden genius that i'm missing it...preempts wraiths? preempting wraiths is a good enough reason. Basically means terran has to spend one irradiate for each guardian. | ||
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TT1
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:24 reincremate wrote: Yeah, it seems scourge make devourers kind of redundant. Still entertaining to see rare units come out though. If you get scourge though terran can snipe them/dodge them with wraiths which you can't do as easily vs devourers. Or at least thats how I see it. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
QUICK RUNDOWN. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
Love seeing Ultras man. Much more competitive set of games this time round. Can't wait for the next batch of games. | ||
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outscar
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:27 Golgotha wrote: lmao baxter saying that devourers are really bad but his hands keep moving him towards that button. amazing. | ||
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Australia318 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:24 TaardadAiel wrote: Somebody said something about Baxter advancing far because of the way he got in the ASL, like Denmark in Euro '92. Buddy, every one of us owes you a drink now. And I don't even want to think about the brackets. On September 10 2017 14:46 RKC wrote: Killer will go far into ASL. That's how the forces of narrative work. That's how Denmark won Euro 1992. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: preempting wraiths is a good enough reason. Basically means terran has to spend one irradiate for each guardian. Seems like scourge are more cost-effective for sniping both vessels and wraiths but I guess devourers are kind of tanky against marines. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:27 Golgotha wrote: lmao baxter saying that devourers are really bad but his hands keep moving him towards that button. lol at this | ||
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
its also a wrestling thing, where the standin for someone always wins. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:29 reincremate wrote: Seems like scourge are more cost-effective for sniping both vessels and wraiths but I guess devourers are kind of tanky against marines. Sure, scourges are awesome if you can get them to connect. That's pretty hard vs wraith that are back uped by marines tho. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:28 reminisce12 wrote: the devourers are for preempt cloak wraiths do devourers decloak? I thought that was just ensnare | ||
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Eleonora
29 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:25 TT1 wrote: i dunno why zergs dont open the way baxter did with 2 evos and a faster 4th macro hatch (without the mutas), it strengthens your ultra tech and allows you to power up much quicker. What did he do exactly ? Is it a variation of 3 Hatch Muta or does the variation start before this point ? | ||
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:29 reincremate wrote: Seems like scourge are more cost-effective for sniping both vessels and wraiths but I guess devourers are kind of tanky against marines. yeah scourge are more cost effective but like, at least for me, when I have guardians over the natural of terran, I tend to not really look there anymore. I just have them spread out on hold position, so terran can't mine, and if he irradiates me, then so be it - it's supposed to hit before he has a lot of irradiate. But then if say, I have 4 scourge there to kill 2 wraiths, he comes in with a wraith, shoots once, my scourge comes flying, he moves wraith back to marines, all my scourge die, and then his wraith gets to shoot at my guardians until I'm able to bring more scourge there. That might well take so long that two of my guardians die against the lone wraith in the mean time. Scourge basically take too much active managing to be great combined with these guardians, guardians that do a lot of economic damage without requiring any attention, which is part of why they are so good. With devourers, you can just have them next to the guardians and then when you get the under attack message, even if the wraith was flying back towards the natural, you can pull them back before they die because they are so tanky. | ||
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:32 batsnacks wrote: do devourers decloak? I thought that was just ensnare they don't decloak but reveal them like ensnare if their spores stay the wraith | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:31 Golgotha wrote: i wish there was a post game show. like where foreigners gather together and talk about those games. i hate when the games are done and everyone just leaves. That's what TL is for! | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Murchaldo
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On September 24 2017 21:32 batsnacks wrote: do devourers decloak? I thought that was just ensnare The Acid Spores debuff reveals targets that try to cloak, yes. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
What about Jangbi? He won his first OSL exactly like this. And then went to win a second one. I was telling my friend that I thought killer would advance after his game vs flash, he looked solid. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:33 Eleonora wrote: What did he do exactly ? Is it a variation of 3 Hatch Muta or does the variation start before this point ? Hydra den + spire but he got lurks first and secured an early 3rd, he went mutas behind it because he was planning to guardian rush but that feels a bit gimmicky to me. I like showing both the hydra den and spire tho, it forces T to play safe so he cant push out with his bio and they might get turrets (and having a spire is always good to defend vs drops etc.). I dunno why z's dont do that opener with 2 quick evos and a faster 4th macro hatch (to drone up and mass quicker), just feels like a really strong all around opener. Z's don't accomplish much with their mutas nowadays vs 5 rax +1.. and it's a huge investment (they usually get ~11 mutas). | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3749/12084726004_dcd3425fa5_o.jpg) | ||
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RKC
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On September 24 2017 21:37 Essbee wrote: What about Jangbi? He won his first OSL exactly like this. And then went to win a second one. I was telling my friend that I thought killer would advance after his game vs flash, he looked solid. Jangbang won OSL through the backdoor? Wow! Never knew that. Who got out, and why? Yes, Killer really held on well against Flash, but Flash was just too solid and fended off the half-botched Guardian sneak attack without much fuss. Why do these second-chance players do well? Probably a combination of the other players underestimating them, and them playing with a nothing-to-lose & destiny-is-calling mindset. Killer did bring out some sick strats (guardians and fast ultras). | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:45 RKC wrote: Jangbang won OSL through the backdoor? Wow! Never knew that. Who got out, and why? Yes, Killer really held on well against Flash, but Flash was just too solid and fended off the half-botched Guardian sneak attack without much fuss. Why do these second-chance players do well? Probably a combination of the other players underestimating them, and them playing with a nothing-to-lose & destiny-is-calling mindset. Killer did bring out some sick strats (guardians and fast ultras). check my post above, you'll see the whole story. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
I think skipping the mutas completely would allow the T too much free reign and ability to cut corners no? | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote: check my post above, you'll see the whole story. That's some epic shit. All TL previews should be in this format. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:50 KobraKay wrote: Don't the mutas serve to keep the terran honest and somewhat slow him down? I think skipping the mutas completely would allow the T too much free reign and ability to cut corners no? Cutting corners in what way? If you show T a hydra den and spire they're still gonna turret up most of the time (like Sharp did last game, you can just get drones and 2-3 hydras instead of going mutas, you have to get your evo chambers after the first 2 scans tho.. if they scan those they'll know you're not going mutas). Moving out on the map to deny z's 3rd and not turreting up are the advantages that T has when they know Z is 100% going lurks. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:50 KobraKay wrote: Don't the mutas serve to keep the terran honest and somewhat slow him down? I think skipping the mutas completely would allow the T too much free reign and ability to cut corners no? It's really important that you build the spire, both because you want terran to build turrets and because you need the option for making scourge later. But I'm inclined to agree with tt1 that the value of faster 1-1 is bigger than the value the first 9 mutas give you against 5 rax +1. But I definitely think that getting getting hydra den when lair is half done AND spire when lair is done is what should become a new zerg meta. Then sometimes you actually make the mutas, sometimes you don't. One of zerg's best advantages is how quickly they can change army composition and mix stuff up, it's absolutely something they should do more of. | ||
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France4120 Posts
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TT1
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arbiter_md
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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Levque
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Xeln4g4
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GTR
51452 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Pretty incredible that an Ro16 group thread for ASL gets more posts than an SSL finals thread for SC2. probably because a) no twitch chat to spam in b) older users in here more used to LR threads | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
Killer was the best player in the scene before he went to the army. It's not like he is a no name. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On September 24 2017 23:05 _Animus_ wrote: Killer really played his game against flash all wrong. First instead of keeping flash on 2 bases by denying the third cc while it was undefended and building he fought against turrets and marines at back expo dealing 0 damage to Flash economy while give flash a free 3rd base. Then his second move with guardians shouldve been at the back expo since guardians are unreachable from marine fire, he preferred to suicide guardians into marines at the natural. Thats playing the game with a loser mindset. Watching other games and have the feeling of low level play, so far from kespa play, im skiping forward in games. The ro 16 format is really shitty btw.I dont know why they dont keep the OSL ro16 format - play 1 game per group for each day, leaving players prepare about every single match with greater games for the fans. This single day elimination gives huge advantage to flash and other experienced players, which make things even worse for newer players and underdogs killing the competition. Although even if OSL format was the case underdogs still have very little chance from ro8 onward, because there are no teams and coaches to prepare them with builds and strats for a Bo series. Untill we meet a new progamer era with teamhouses, as the age of players increase, games will probably continue to drop in quality and we will be seeing the same players dominating over and over again. your vision must be clouded by nostalgia, because there were tons of bad quality games during kespa era. perhaps you only remember the very best games, finals, or great series, and forgot all the really silly bo1 proleague wins/losses that we had much more of, during kespa times. the initial muta harass on the 2nd gas was great, it was a weak spot, and it prevented gas income. this 'free 3rd base you speak of', given the map layout both guys get a free 3rd base, I don't remember exactly how many units flash had, but, given he had 5 barracks producing marines, and at least 6-8 marines at home, no way anything couldve been done about this 'free 3rd base'. The guardian decision I'll side with you on, it would have been more effective at the back. However since flash was out on the map dominating killer's ground forces at the front, doing the guardians at the back wouldve denied mining on that base for a while - sure. But having the guardians at the front may have forced bad engagements from flash and given the position of killer in the game, maybe he was hoping he could make something happen by putting pressure on flash and forcing some bad decisions, and taking away the game from him. He was just a bit unlucky that flash pretty much had the exact number of marines needed to stop that attack completly in it's tracks. Using the guardians at the back base would have only slowed flash down a little, and therefor would obviously be more effective than losing the guardians to vessel/marines, but definitely wouldn't have done anything towards a killer victory. | ||
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lastride
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:25 Ilikestarcraft wrote: If you get scourge though terran can snipe them/dodge them with wraiths which you can't do as easily vs devourers. Or at least thats how I see it. yes this is correct. you can poke with 1 wraith and bait scourge into the marines if zerg looks away for a moment. or you get a couple of wraiths and micro them like mutas to kill the scourge before they connect. each devourer is 50 gas i believe and scourge is 75 gas and a larva | ||
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VioleTAK
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
You see how Larva would get map control advantage on his streams and then fall apart due to Dropship plays. This reminds me of Jaedong vs Baby/Ty back in the days when JD would be everywhere with Scourges to intercept drops. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/IhfXTaz.jpg) Game 3: Sieging tanks is for mortals. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On September 25 2017 00:35 lastride wrote: Flash! Where can I watch the korean vods besides afreeca, which lags terribly Here is Britney and Leta casting. | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
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StarscreamG1
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
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RWLabs
Korea (South)273 Posts
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On September 24 2017 22:31 Amanebak wrote: Who is Killer going to face in the Ro8? The winner of group B or is it randomized? I am not sure how they do it, last ASLs were ASL2 C1 D2 v B1 C2 vvv D1 A2 v A1 B2 ASL3 D1 B2 v C1 A2 vvv B1 C2 v A1 D2 | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On September 25 2017 03:00 Burned Toast wrote: VODs of today's games and group selection available in the Small VOD Thread. Thanks for your work yo! | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Sad about Mong, his TvZ on Gold Rush felt shaky for some reason. His TvT wasn't too bad, Sharp just played extremely well there. As for the last game, while I agree that Killer was solid overall, I feel like part of that was Sharp going 5 rax and not being able to do much with it (as much as he could at least). I'll have to watch the game again but I'm an advocate of a player going spire+den around the same time. One of the zerg players that I play against does this all the time. I'm forced to get turrets incase of mutalisks and I have to be careful incase of hold lurkers so I have to get comsats. I think this move definitely has its benefits and drawbacks. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 25 2017 11:32 Headshot wrote: When is the Ro16 group B? Can't find it on the calendar anywhere. Tuesday, Sep 26 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On September 25 2017 12:14 Alejandrisha wrote: in g1 if baxter had brought 1 lurker with those guards.. man.. i was thinking the same thing. maybe it was the nerves. he could've brought in all those 6+ lurkers to Flash's natural while his marines were distracted with the guardians. it might not have not ended the game right there but would have dealt enough damage since Flash's army was off position. | ||
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
On September 25 2017 14:10 traxamillion wrote: Woulda been very hard to get lurkers to flashes 3rd without drop/speed tech there which there is no way he could have. If he just tries to run a couple lurkers all he way across the map he is virtually certain to run nto mines Looking at the minimap, i think that was certainly his plan. he was mine-clearing with lings to create a path for lurkers at the time he a-moved his guardians. It looked like some timing issue of sorts. Flash is just really good at keeping the aggression up to throw off these timing attacks. Here's the exact moment, you can see Killer's POV box was on his ling lurks: | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On September 25 2017 00:29 Liquid`Ret wrote: the initial muta harass on the 2nd gas was great, it was a weak spot, and it prevented gas income. this 'free 3rd base you speak of', given the map layout both guys get a free 3rd base, I don't remember exactly how many units flash had, but, given he had 5 barracks producing marines, and at least 6-8 marines at home, no way anything couldve been done about this 'free 3rd base'. it was 5 or 6 marines guarding the building cc with no medics, he couldve easily delayed that for much time or even cancel the cc and staying in game with 1 expo over terran for longer time. I also feel Sharp couldve won the final game if he stick to Flash play, by taking fast 3rd and be on equal bases to zerg, but instead he suicided like 10 marines into natural for no reason while these could be defending his 3rd cc then he can roll the zerg easier. These guardians at the natural wouldve been still a pain to deal with tho. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
On September 25 2017 11:32 Headshot wrote: When is the Ro16 group B? Can't find it on the calendar anywhere. I check here to see the schedule for events: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Afreeca_Starleague_Season_4 | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On September 25 2017 11:18 BigFan wrote: On the other hand, when you scan you can see the larva count to determine which tech path hes going. If hes spending his larva and going mutas regardless, there going to be delayed and far less effective -- combine that with an scv scout or something, it shouldnt be that hard to determine. Definitely not at the top level. Zergs used to do this all the time in 06 and 07, especially in the foreign community. It generally got phased out as people believed the cost wasnt worth the small chance you would trick the terran.Great to see Flash and Killer advancing. Killer's mutalisk micro at Flash's back expansion was extremely impressive and reminiscent of his mutalisk micro during the Sonic era. It was clean, on point, caused lots of damage etc... Guardians as mentioned was questionable but maybe he had a plan in mind and it failed due to Flash mining that area at 1/2 o'clock or something. Sad about Mong, his TvZ on Gold Rush felt shaky for some reason. His TvT wasn't too bad, Sharp just played extremely well there. As for the last game, while I agree that Killer was solid overall, I feel like part of that was Sharp going 5 rax and not being able to do much with it (as much as he could at least). I'll have to watch the game again but I'm an advocate of a player going spire+den around the same time. One of the zerg players that I play against does this all the time. I'm forced to get turrets incase of mutalisks and I have to be careful incase of hold lurkers so I have to get comsats. I think this move definitely has its benefits and drawbacks. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28668 Posts
back when every protoss was doing forge FE, if there was a probe in my base, I'd often wait for the pool to finish and then build 2 drones and 1 ling so he would still make cannon before nexus, whereas if I continuously built drones while the pool was building, he'd know he would at most be hit by 2 lings and go nexus first. So if you're building a hydra den and a spire, you stop making stuff when spire has 360 hp or whatever, it looks like you are saving up larva for muta, then you make 3 hydra and 6 drones instead. lost mining time is negligible (say you build 2 of the drones 20 seconds later than you otherwise would have, and you increase the chance of fooling terran into spending 450 on turrets by even 20%, that is really worth it), and as long as you don't let it go beyond 3 larvae then you didn't lose any production. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:14 Liquid`Drone wrote: you can as zerg save up 3 larvae that you spend on hydra drone ling when spire finishes back when every protoss was doing forge FE, if there was a probe in my base, I'd often wait for the pool to finish and then build 2 drones and 1 ling so he would still make cannon before nexus, whereas if I continuously built drones while the pool was building, he'd know he would at most be hit by 2 lings and go nexus first. So if you're building a hydra den and a spire, you stop making stuff when spire has 360 hp or whatever, it looks like you are saving up larva for muta, then you make 3 hydra and 6 drones instead. lost mining time is negligible (say you build 2 of the drones 20 seconds later than you otherwise would have, and you increase the chance of fooling terran into spending 450 on turrets by even 20%, that is really worth it), and as long as you don't let it go beyond 3 larvae then you didn't lose any production.It's amazing how these small details make BW so dynamic and complex. A perfect game design example of how less is more. And also despite how 'slow' the game is (as opposed to SC2, LoL, CS, etc.), pros are still able to eke edges out of the slimmest of timings that makes the difference between winning and losing BW so beautiful, so timeless! | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: is this devourer thing normal now it doesnt seem that useful. as far as i can tell the 2 devourers did absolutely nothing v flash, and killed a rax v sharp is there some hidden genius that i'm missing it...preempts wraiths? Zero used Guardian/Devourer against Last on Outsider (and won the game) in that post-ASL2 team league in which Soulkey beat Flash. (Hopefully that description is adequate even though I don't remember the name of the team league or have a URL for the VOD.) I have also seen Devourer use by either Jaedong or Larva in their ZvT once in recent months. Either progamers are experimenting with Devourers paired with Guardians, or they have already concluded it's optimal. Probably the former. It's definitely not the first time I see them in the post-KeSPA era, but they are only used a fraction (33--50%?) of the time that Guardians are used, and Guardians are seldom used. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 26 2017 06:05 Djabanete wrote: Zero used Guardian/Devourer against Last on Outsider (and won the game) in that post-ASL2 team league in which Soulkey beat Flash. (Hopefully that description is adequate even though I don't remember the name of the team league or have a URL for the VOD.) I have also seen Devourer use by either Jaedong or Larva in their ZvT once in recent months. Either progamers are experimenting with Devourers paired with Guardians, or they have already concluded it's optimal. Probably the former. It's definitely not the first time I see them in the post-KeSPA era, but they are only used a fraction (33--50%?) of the time that Guardians are used, and Guardians are seldom used. The name of the team league was Afreeca Team Battle, aka ATB. Ya, ZerO beat Last using them but from what I remember, ZerO caused eco damage and such early on to take a small advantage maybe? | ||
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ortseam
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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
MY BOY BABY JAEDONG IS BACK It was so much fun watching his growth back in the KeSPA days, very glad to see him looking this good in 2017, and just after finishing his military service too. Killer is definitely a player who still has a lot of potential to grow. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
Had a bad feeling about ro16 but I am happy to see that I was wrong. Flash for the win! | ||
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