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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
August 10 2017 09:56 GMT
#41
Cool, glhf American boys :D
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
August 10 2017 13:45 GMT
#42
if the 2v2 is worth 2 points isn't there no way for there to be an ace match?

i agree with jealous on the bo1s, would lead to more interesting games and cut down on the time commitment as well
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 10 2017 14:05 GMT
#43
I'd be quite interested in playing in this (clanless). Awesome initiative!

I voted for bo3 in the poll because I prefer that as a competitor. If you do plan on putting a bunch of effort into streaming all of the games in the league with a solid level of casting, then I think a bo1 is better for the spectators and casters.
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
August 10 2017 14:05 GMT
#44
Oh, nice catch. I totally disagree with 2v2 being weighted differently than 1v1 games. 2v2 stopped being an official game mode in SPL in what, 2007? I suspect that many people coming to the scene since than have focused on 1v1 much more. While having 2v2 in the list is not a bad idea, giving it double points doesn't make much sense imo.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
August 10 2017 14:22 GMT
#45
Actually, on second thought - personally I don't understand the appeal of having any 2v2 matches. In my experience with any type of team match - the 2v2s are almost always two teammates partnering up for the sake of the match without prior 2v2 practice or strategy.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 14:45:41
August 10 2017 14:32 GMT
#46
There are some players that only play 2v2 exclusively and are quite good but not as good as 1v1.

I was thinking it gave more options for those that don't feel confident enough in their 1v1 but wanted to still play. 2v2 is the only left option I can think of. Hence why I weighted it more to help those players 1. Show up for their game because it's weighted more and 2. Make them feel important to the team.

I also remember in Yankee League some of the Lesser teams only stood a chance against some of the better teams because they would almost always win the 2v2 because the better teams would almost never practice for it.

This lead to some great matches going to ace match and allowing the best players from both teams to duke it out and sometimes the lesser team would end up taking the whole series because of it

But what does everyone else think?
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
August 10 2017 14:45 GMT
#47
if u weight it the closest possible outcomes are 3-2 or 2-3 with no ace match

i think 2v2 is an interesting game mode. like u said, if nothing else it'll give more players a chance to participate
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 15:58:21
August 10 2017 14:49 GMT
#48
On August 10 2017 23:45 Dead9 wrote:
if u weight it the closest possible outcomes are 3-2 or 2-3 with no ace match

i think 2v2 is an interesting game mode. like u said, if nothing else it'll give more players a chance to participate


Points have nothing to do with who wins the overall matches.
1 team could win three matches to two with only three points awarded to each side.

Points determine who goes on to play in the playoffs and seeding. points do not determine a winner of the clan vs clan matches.

Maybe to offset the discrepancy in points Ace matches could also be worth two points that way there is a clear Point winner as well
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
August 10 2017 15:07 GMT
#49
On August 10 2017 23:49 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 23:45 Dead9 wrote:
if u weight it the closest possible outcomes are 3-2 or 2-3 with no ace match

i think 2v2 is an interesting game mode. like u said, if nothing else it'll give more players a chance to participate


Points have nothing to do with who wins the overall matches.
1 team could win three matches to two with only three points awarded to each side.

Points determine who goes on to play in the playoffs ants eating points did not determine a winner of the clan vs Clan matches.

Maybe to offset the discrepancy in points Ace matches could also be worth two points that way there is a clear Point winner as well

I can't agree with this system where the clan that won the overall series could potentially walk away with less or equal points because you assigned 2 points to a game mode that has seen very little high level exposure or focus in the past 10 years.

I don't see the need to overcomplicate things. Just make every game 1 point, including ace match. Giving the winner a swing of 2 points is exactly what would create insurmountable point differences later in the league. It would also then make sense for teams to intentionally drop a set when they are 2-1 or 3-2 or whatever just to get double the points from their ace match if again it's team Sziky vs . Team OurBestPlayerIsConICCup.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
August 10 2017 16:30 GMT
#50
Sorry if this has been answered but if a team is based in NA can it use any players outside of NA? Like if there were a limit to 1 "foreigner" per cw or whatever. Thanks for info.
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.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
August 10 2017 16:36 GMT
#51
Bo1s are better, especially if the intent is to have some of the matches broadcasted (not all of the games would have to be played simultaneously, for example.)

2v2s are fine for fluff leagues like this. Dedicated 2s players are very rare, and people won't go out of their way to practice 2s, so the games will always kinda be random. But personally for a league like this I think it could be fun

Good initiative yo!
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2017 16:46 GMT
#52
I only have 2 questions:

Is Sayle still considered to be Canadian?

If so,

Sayle, will you be on our team? 😂
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
August 10 2017 16:50 GMT
#53
On August 11 2017 01:46 Eywa- wrote:
I only have 2 questions:

Is Sayle still considered to be Canadian?

If so,

Sayle, will you be on our team? 😂

Sayle lives in UK I'm thinking of signing TRUE since he lives in Virginia :D
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
August 10 2017 16:50 GMT
#54
On August 11 2017 01:46 Eywa- wrote:
I only have 2 questions:

Is Sayle still considered to be Canadian?

If so,

Sayle, will you be on our team? 😂

Yes, 100% canadian grape monster.

This is awesome, PsyonicReaver!
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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 20:01:07
August 10 2017 17:27 GMT
#55
Let me be clear when I say that this is an Americas League that means anyone from Canada North America Mexico Central America South America Brazil Cuba Puerto Rico this is all for just us this also includes Hawaii and Guam if they want to so yeah.

You can mix the team's however you want you can be purely Canadian versus everyone you can have one Chilean one American one guatemalan as long as you live and reside in the United States at the time of the league starting you can participate so if you're a Korean living in the United States and you want to participate that's fine but if you're an American living outside the United States you cannot participate

By the way does anyone know how to reach out to our Spanish-speaking brood War community in Central and South America I don't know any websites off the top of my head that's still cater to brood War

Edit for clarification: if there are Korean's that live here on a temp pass like a visitor's visa or something like that then they are not eligible to play. you Need to Be an actual resident of the Americas permanently living here
So wait? I'm bad? =(
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
August 10 2017 17:41 GMT
#56
On August 11 2017 00:07 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2017 23:49 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
On August 10 2017 23:45 Dead9 wrote:
if u weight it the closest possible outcomes are 3-2 or 2-3 with no ace match

i think 2v2 is an interesting game mode. like u said, if nothing else it'll give more players a chance to participate


Points have nothing to do with who wins the overall matches.
1 team could win three matches to two with only three points awarded to each side.

Points determine who goes on to play in the playoffs ants eating points did not determine a winner of the clan vs Clan matches.

Maybe to offset the discrepancy in points Ace matches could also be worth two points that way there is a clear Point winner as well

I can't agree with this system where the clan that won the overall series could potentially walk away with less or equal points because you assigned 2 points to a game mode that has seen very little high level exposure or focus in the past 10 years.

I don't see the need to overcomplicate things. Just make every game 1 point, including ace match. Giving the winner a swing of 2 points is exactly what would create insurmountable point differences later in the league. It would also then make sense for teams to intentionally drop a set when they are 2-1 or 3-2 or whatever just to get double the points from their ace match if again it's team Sziky vs . Team OurBestPlayerIsConICCup.


Agree with Jealous
aka DragOn[NaS]
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 20:07:09
August 10 2017 19:36 GMT
#57
I agree with Jealous too. Some teams won't have any regular 2v2 players out of only three or four players on a team, so if it's worth double they have no chance.
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dark.matter
Profile Joined April 2017
179 Posts
August 10 2017 19:57 GMT
#58
I'm interested. No clan yet.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
August 10 2017 20:05 GMT
#59
Pro League format is cool, minus the twist (2v2)
Inactive but interested!
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 20:38:26
August 10 2017 20:23 GMT
#60
Okay. It seems adding more points to some MU is a resounding NO. Good feedback. I've edited OP accordingly.

I've also updated Rule 2 as well about subbing.

I want to be clear that I will not be removing 2v2 from the Clan War. I feel it was an integral part of StarCraft for 9 years during the Nation Wars and ProLeague and created a unique viewing experience. I loved casting 2v2 in Yankee League and they were actually some of my more popular videos BECAUSE of the lack of exposure they normally get.

BUT

If 2v2 is truly hated/disliked by the end of season 1. I will not include it in season 2. Does that sound like a fair compromise?
So wait? I'm bad? =(
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