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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-16 23:02:10
August 09 2017 06:07 GMT
#1
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Having noticed a distinct lack of players representing North, Central and South America compared to our friends across BOTH oceans, I've thought about ways to bring back old players and hopefully introduce new players to the joys of Clan Wars. My goal is to reinvigorate the Americas scene and I invite ALL PLAYERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS of North, Central and South America to participate in the Pan-American Team League.

Due to the size of the post. I've added spoilers to condense it's size.

What is the Pan-American Team League?
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Pan-American Team League, PATL, is just as it sounds. It is a "proleague"-esque type of tournament that features ONLY Players and Clans from the Americas, facing off each week for the simple sake of saying "Look, my Clan is better and we can back that up because we're the better players."


Goals
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This, in my mind, is to help invigorate the BW scene and cause friendly competition among BW players. Back in the 2000 - 2008 era of BW, Clan Wars were a VERY common thing and it was 98% of the time done for FUN and "epeen". Clan Pride. My Clan beat your Clan, etc. "Wow NonY is good on Team Media, I want to beat him in the next CW." etc.

This fostered friendly competition among Clans/Teams to help other Clans BEAT rival Clans. It was HEALTHY and HELPFUL in order to ensure players continued to strive to be better. It also didn't hurt if Clan X beat Clan Z giving Clan Y a chance to reach the Play-Offs because of the point system that will be used as explained later.

There is drought of that competitive spirit in our current era of BW besides the CPL which has been having a successful go of things thanks to it's Admins and ACTIVE participants.

To put it simply. I want to see more players from the Americas showing up as some of the strongest players in BW. Right now as it stands, name some of the top foreign BW players. ssizky. Eonzerg. Dewalt. etc etc. Nobody from the Americas. LET'S CHANGE THAT. I remember when people would easily throw out names like Louder, InkA, Future, Jumperer, Machine, LzGaMeR, Nyoken, DinOt, CastrO, DracO, NonY, JP, IdrA, KawaiiRice, etc.


Results as Desired
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-Better Americas Players
-Enjoyment of scheduled Clan competition
-People always show up and are encouraged to continue doing so, striving to be better.
-Removing the need of "walk-overs" or the feeling of "Wow I took a night off from life to be here and my guy didn't show and I don't get to play, what a waste of time." by including opportunities for Subs.


Format
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I'll be following a "ProLeague" format, with some twists.
Clan Wars will be Best of 5 matches. With each match being a Best of 1. Each Match is worth ONE point. The Clans/Teams at the end of the Season with the most points move on to the Play-Offs.

All games to be played on US-West or US-East. Each week there will be a designated "Home" Clan/Team and a "Vistor" Clan/Team. The "Home" team will select the desired US-W or US-E server.

So it looks like this:
3 - Bo1 1v1s
1 - Bo1 2v2
1 - Bo1 Ace Match if needed
(5 matches total)

Edit: Some people would like Bo3. Let's let the polls decide!

Poll Closed
Bo1 Format will be used going forward. The matches will officially be held on Sundays at 10am PST.

Clan "A" will decided which of their players will play in the 1v1s and the 2v2. Clan "A" will send me their lineup. Clan "B" will send me theirs. I then release the lineup and the Clans can then prepare their players for the released MUs. ACE players are decided as needed by Clan Leaders if the matches extend to the 5th match.

To break it down. The following is an EXAMPLE and does not adhere to TRUE facts or stats.

Clan [light]'s Clan Leader, Xeris, receives the Map Lineup from the Admin, PsyonicReaver. Match Point, Circuit Breaker, Hunters and Heartbreak Ridge as the ACE map. Xeris knows Machine does really well on Match Point and decides to play his Zerg there. Knowing that most Clans play Terrans on that map. His hope is that Machine will "snipe" a possible Terran player from the opposing Clan and get an easy win for the [light]. Xeris will play Louder on Circuit Breaker because he knows Louder is a great, all-round player that can handle himself. LzGaMeR and Nyoken will play in the 2v2. If things hit the fan and it goes to the ACE match, Xeris knows IdrA will be around if he needs to use him, arguably his BEST player.


What do I, ahem I mean, my Clan/Team win?
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The winners of the Play-Offs will be crowned the Champs of the PATL Season 1.

I've managed to secure funding of prizes for participants via a bonus check from my company that I was NOT expecting. So you heard it here first guys, this is coming from ME personally. Edit: And also from Vortex[eMg] - he donated an additional $100 as well.

$150 to the winning team / This will be split EVENLY among team members, the more members per team, the less each individual person gets but obviously MORE bragging rights.

$75 to 2nd place team.

$50 to 3rd place team.

If I am able to secure additional funding from private donors or crowd funding, I'll update the prize pool accordingly.


Rules
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1. Standard tournament rules apply as listed on https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/sc_tour_rules.html, https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/sc_ladder_rules.html and according to all Modern Blizzard Sanctioned tournaments. Most of you should know these by heart already.

2. Once Lineups have been submitted, they are LOCKED to those race Match-Ups on those maps. If a player fails to show for their match but a clanmate is online, they can "sub" themselves into that match but playing as THAT player's race. That means NO RACE PICKING and RANDOM is not allowed.

TO ALSO CLARIFY, one player could possibly sub for his entire team and even doing 1v2 or 1+1AI v 2. The caveat to that is it can only be done ONCE per player per season.

Example:
Louder[light] didn't show up for his match vs Artosis[media]. It was a PvT on Circuit Breaker. Luckily Machine[light] is online and can "sub" for Louder. Sadly he can't play his preferred race of Zerg since the MU was submitted as PvT on CB. Machine will have to play as Protoss vs Artosis' Terran.

3. Clans must have AT LEAST 3 players to enter and participate. (No Smurfing to bolster your numbers, if you get caught you will be disqualified and removed from PATL.)

You could, if you want, have a "B" team and a "C" team and so forth all bearing the same Clan tag. These teams would all be seeded into the PATL to play against each other and other Clans.

Example:
[light] has 20 members of their clan. The odds of EVERYONE getting to play each week is low. Xeris wants everyone to have fun and play. He decides to retain his top 4 best players as [light] Team "A" his next 4 as [light] Team "B", etc and so forth. OR if he was CRAZY he could split his "best" players among multiple teams filled with his "mediocre" players. This would foster more friendly competition inside the Clan and against other Clans. That's Xeris call to make as Clan Leader.

4. When the PATL starts players are "locked" to their Clan/Team, THEY CAN NOT MOVE TO A NEW CLAN/TEAM DURING THE CURRENT PATL SEASON. Only Players from Team "A" can "sub" for Team "A". You can NOT get players from Team "B" to sub for Team "A".

You can recruit new players and remove players from teams as needed but you can NOT swap them between sub-teams every other week to better your odds. I'll get tired of that real quick and lock players down to a single team for the rest of the season. If it's a once per season thing, that's fine.

If a player TRUELY defects from one Team to another Team I'll consider that on a case by case basis but if it happens every other week... I'll get tired of that real quick and lock you down to just one team the rest of the season. If it's a once per season thing, that's fine.

5. English is PREFERRED but NOT required to participate. I am fluent in Spanish, if any Spanish Players/Clans need help organizing, contact me via PM.

6. Players MUST LIVE AND RESIDE in the North, Central or South Americas to participate.


If you want to help in some way but not play. PM me about how you feel you could be involved.
Interested Persons for Helping/Casting
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Casters Interested
Greth
Sayle
Schamtoo
EsportsJohn
.gypsy
FlashFTW
HerbMon
Gorgonoth

People offering assistance (Admin)
Eywa-
Qikz


If anyone needs to get ahold of me more directly other than via PM here.

You can add my Blizzard Battle.Net name which is Psyonic#11952
OR
Discord - PsyonicReaver#4073
OR
schultzbrent188@gmail


LiquiPedia Links
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Pan-American_Team_League - General overview
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Pan-American_Team_League:_Season_1 - Weekly Matchups, Team Standings, Team Rosters, Player Rankings, etc

I've created the PATL Season 1 Thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/526165-patl-season-1

The purpose of THAT thread is to keep discussion THERE focused PURELY on smack talk, matches, finding play times, etc. That is also where I'll post lineups and results.

This thread will remain to discuss the league in general and where people can bring their questions for me to answer.

SPECIAL THANKS TO
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You know I also want to take this moment to thank someone that is not part of our community anymore but is the person that taught me HOW to run tournaments, even if it does not make you popular at times. I watched him run many, many tournaments over the years and if I hadn't, I don't think I would have the heart to attempt this.

Duran "Xeris" Parsi. Thank you.

This guy. This guy has done SO much for the American scene between 2002 and 2014 and it's really sad that there isn't a Liquipedia page on him. He has run SO many tournaments big (NASL) and small (Yankee League).

He used to run weekly, monthly, yearly tournaments ALL the time and I have no idea how he did it. He was considered by MANY players the best Admin to run any tournament, he was often consulted by WCG on how to run the USA tournaments.

He also took a chance on me to cast Yankee League when it first started, arguably him giving me that opportunity lead me to being noticed more and more around the community as a caster. I worked hard to promote myself but I will admit. If Xeris never took the chance on me, I do not think I would have ever gained the popularity that I did that allowed me to participate in the casting crew for THREE WCGs in a row.

Xeris. I deticate this League to you. Wherever you are.

I've also created a DISCORD for PATL to help Team Leaders AND Players coordinate to play their games.
Discord is FREE to use on your web browser or you can download the APP on your PC or Phone.
https://discord.gg/pyRjjkt
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
August 09 2017 06:14 GMT
#2
As much as it pains me to say this, I don't think ICCup is going to be the best place to run this league (if I understood your intentions correctly). It would make the most sense to pull clans that are on USE/USW; there are at least a few that have a presence there.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 06:19:09
August 09 2017 06:17 GMT
#3
This would take place on US-West or US-East as desired.

Edited above with clarification.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 06:28:13
August 09 2017 06:20 GMT
#4
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
August 09 2017 06:42 GMT
#5
Sounds cool, I'm interested.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 07:32:31
August 09 2017 07:13 GMT
#6
On August 09 2017 15:20 Ty2 wrote:
I am interested.

Edit: I'd like bo3's and maybe the casters can cast one match people vote on or something.


So in your mind it looks like this?

1 - Bo1 1v1
1 - Bo1 2v2
1 - Bo1 Ace Match if needed
(3 matches total)

This would allow clans to have at least two players to participate as opposed to three as stated above.

or are you talking about the each match being a Bo3 instead of a Bo1 like so

So it looks like this:
3 - Bo3 1v1s
1 - Bo3 2v2
1 - Bo3 Ace Match if needed
(5 matches total)

I feel the latter would be too much of a time investment on players but I shall bend to the community will if Bo3 is desired.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
August 09 2017 07:42 GMT
#7
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Ereneia
Profile Joined July 2017
1 Post
August 09 2017 11:40 GMT
#8
Sounds fun.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
August 09 2017 12:49 GMT
#9
It sounds fun - I support it fully. Of course, this is all contingent upon a lot of BW players returning, new players joining, and clans being formed - which I would think is likely. I'm not sure how long you want to wait before opening signups, but I would think like a month into SC:R?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 14:16:58
August 09 2017 14:16 GMT
#10
On August 09 2017 16:42 Ty2 wrote:
I was thinking about the latter. That was how it was for the iCCup Nation League at least.

Both systems have pros and cons but as far as I know, ICC NL was the only tournament of its type and magnitude to do this. All other major team tournaments, most notably SPL, had a Bo1 format. This is all to say that I don't think it makes sense to base tournament expectations on ICC NL; having that format as a preference is of course okay though Me personally, I prefer Bo1 for teamleagues.

On August 09 2017 15:42 GGzerG wrote:
Sounds cool, I'm interested.

I guess you will be the sole representative of [Shield] ?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
dM-White
Profile Joined February 2007
Chile341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 18:40:11
August 09 2017 14:45 GMT
#11
Sounds good, dM will be playing this!
as a suggestion make it bo3 matches.

PS; We're recruiting good lvl members @Op dM- west
Op dM- @West || http://DisturbedMind.net || https://discord.gg/ePERqJp
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 16:02:07
August 09 2017 15:58 GMT
#12
Format poll added to OP.

Everyone, please share this thread with ANYONE of ANY skill level. This won't take off if there isn't enough interest. Share it at school or facebook or were ever. I would love to organize this and have it take off.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
mLtySC
Profile Joined September 2016
68 Posts
August 09 2017 16:36 GMT
#13
I'd be down but I lack a clan
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2017 16:40 GMT
#14
I would definitely be in for this. (I'm obviously terrible though)

I have a suggestion (due to the inevitable unreliable clans that will register and high maintenance that will be required).

You might want to consider getting the line ups for the entire season at the start of the thing, then put together a loose schedule of when the games should be played, inserting them into the proper CW slots thereafter. It would help with preparation, if one player is super dedicated, you would be giving them an advantage. It would also help with maintenance of the league, giving the potential of several matches getting played ahead of time where you would otherwise have to chase after people.

Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
August 09 2017 17:14 GMT
#15
Im interested, and I agree with Ty2 about the format. Bo3 is better, and the 2v2 shouldnt be weighted heavier than 1v1.
aka DragOn[NaS]
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2017 17:22 GMT
#16
I'm currently assembling a Clan for this.

WCE - Worst Clan Ever (yes, this is actually going to be a thing)

Currently just me and Obelisco
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 09 2017 17:32 GMT
#17
Recruiting for SCC. Who is in?
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10287 Posts
August 09 2017 18:23 GMT
#18
On August 10 2017 02:14 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
Im interested, and I agree with Ty2 about the format. Bo3 is better, and the 2v2 shouldnt be weighted heavier than 1v1.

Why do you think Bo3 is better? I'm curious I think there are pros and cons to both Bo3 and Bo1, so it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on why one is clearly above the other. After all, there must be a reason why SPL used Bo1.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4341 Posts
August 09 2017 20:24 GMT
#19
On August 10 2017 01:36 mLtySC wrote:
I'd be down but I lack a clan


That's great! Maybe we can do a "Looking for Clan" thread for BW. Maybe someone here will PM you.

Maybe you'll find two random people also posting about having no clan and you guys will form your own!
So wait? I'm bad? =(
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
August 09 2017 20:47 GMT
#20
I'm in the process of making a team as well, if anyone is interested in joining a up and coming competitive team on USWest PM me yo. (Yea looking for a clan thread for BW would be good once there is enough clans lol)
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
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